Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 9:00 PM, Going the Distance for Love

Jill and Jim Bob travel halfway around the world to see if Derick could be "the one." Back at home, Michelle spends some time with Jessa and checks in on her courtship with Ben. When Derick asks Jim Bob a very important question, what will his answer be?

60 minutes

They should have rushed the production on this one as they are getting very close to the wedding. 

Ratings:  2.538 M viewers and a .9 rating.

107 comments:

hello said...

TLC is really doing whatever they can to keep the DuggArs circus going. Did they really needto send Jill and Jimboob halfway across the world to check out a guy to see if he was marriage material. He was going to come home in a couple of months and Jimboob has been in contact with him for over a year. Then you have Michelle spending time with Jessa to check in on her courtship with Ben. The family has been in on texts, phone calls and even all their dates. Does she really think she is going to learn anything new? I guess this is her way of spending time with her since as she says, she is not currently pregnant so maybe she should spend time with her kids and get interested in their hobbies. Its a . Little too late for that. Watching her try to learn how to play chess with her son last week was awkward.She looked bored out of her mind and wished she was anywhere else.

Judy said...

They still have about two months until the wedding, so they're good. They'll probably stop new episodes soon and then do a special. How are they going to handle all the specials about to come about as the Duggar girls get married and start having a baby every 18 months or so?

Just me said...

I think going to Nepal is mostly for TLC but then also since it's unseemly to "just" be communicating with a guy. There needs to be purpose. You need to either marry him or weed him out in 4-6 months. She IS 22. That's way too old to not be seeking marriage actively.

Sharla said...

Several comments were not posted. This is a thread about the upcoming show not one for general discussion of the Duggars.

mom in texas said...

Seeing the preview for this episode made me truly wonder about Jim Bob. Can he REALLY be that overprotective? I mean what was Derek going to do to Jill? Defrauded her with a comforting hand? My goodness. Jim Bob's facial expression through the previews scream that he was uncomfortable. On the other hand, Jill and Derek seemed thrilled to finally be together. I think Jill may be getting married just so she could finally get a full frontal hug, lol.

Anonymous said...

Saw the promo for this tonight..Jim Bob walks into a store or something and says "hola." I feel sorry for him honestly because it's not funny it's actually very disrespectful to the people of the country he is in. No one is expecting him to be able to speak full sentences but taking the time to learn key words...hello, goodbye, please, thank you....ignorance is not cute, especially on an almost 50 year old man

Allison said...

Did you notice how Jim Bob moved in between Jill and Derick in the preview? Wow. I mean, his hand was on her shoulder! That's nuts.

Also, I'm not sure how you could possibly be guarding your heart if you're proclaiming your "love" for someone you've never met. These girls are throwing around the L word like it means nothing almost. She's not even courting and she's "in love." They won't even call each other boyfriend/girlfriend! That makes no sense to me.

Sherry R said...

I think it was smart to go to visit Derrick in Nepal. Jill needed to know if they had chemistry in person. I am happy for her and hope Jana will soon find someone. Hopefully, someone not involved in ati. Jill will be 23 on her wedding day and poor Jana is going on 25 soon. One of the Wilson girls "Clark Wilson" is 30 and still unmarried, not courting and living in home so Jill is doing good comparatively.

Samantha said...

I think they had to go meet him in person so they could get him into this season in person. They had to set up the wedding episode that comes in a couple of months. If viewers ended this season having only seen him via monitored video chat, it wouldn't have worked out as well schedule-wise. Of course, it also helped them to "protect" Jill from staying in a gray area for too long, because you can't have a "special friendship" with a guy and not be moving definitely to marriage very soon. And with the older girls' book coming out and being promoted, having another official courtship also helps that promotional effort.

Ashley said...

How weird that Michelle is "checking in" with her daughter about her courtship. First of all, Michelle hasn't even let them text or talk on the phone without her and JB being involved every moment. (The girls say that their parents raised them well and trust them, but that is hogwash. The parents don't even trust their daughters to carry on a conversation from thousands of miles away without tight supervision!) Second of all, if Michelle's at all close to her daughter, shouldn't she be talking with Jessa about something so important without needing to schedule special time for it?

Poor Jessa. Some people are calling her cold and distant, but I think she's just a more reserved person who doesn't know how to be in this situation, much less manage it on camera. Poor kid hasn't been allowed to really talk to any unrelated male and can't even really show affection to her own brothers, and now she has to hurry toward marriage without so much as talking about serious issues with the guy without her parents listening, questioning, and judging every word.

Glass Dishes said...

I feel sorry for these girls. Jimboob making their decisions on every aspect of their lives. I agree with whomever said "hogwash"---on the issue that they have raised their kids to know right from wrong but will not let them make any kind of decision. I suppose if Jana doesnt marry til she is 35 old jimboob will still have the say so or not so. What a crazy mixed up way to raise your children. I wish Jana and Jessa and whomever else would run the heck away and do what they want...of course since JB and mean Michelle think for them this probably won't happen. 25 and you can't have a simple kiss or anything---daddy and mommy dearest need to back off and take care of the THEIR younger kids and let the older ones have a life. Oh and Let GRANDMA D have a life minus doing all the dirty duds...she is in her seventys but does that mean anything to jimboob and M..heck no ..they are users..users for the almighty TLC BUCK. Ok rant over. :-)

lily said...

I love Jill and I hope she and Derek will be very happy together. I also hope Derek will move Jill far away from her parents. Derek strikes me as young man who doesn't want children right away and I hope I'm correct with my assumption. They need a year to settle in and get to know each other. As for Jimbob and Michelle, they should stay out of Jill and Dereks life especially after they are married. Watch Jimbob offer the couple a piece of land on the Duggar Compound to build a home. Jimbob is a control freak.
I saw that episode where Jimbob push Josiah when they were playing was it paint tag. Boob really push the child hard. Boob is an obnoxious brute.

capslock said...

This is what baffles me the most about the Duggars, Bates families, etc. so perhaps another sane person can fill me in:

The girls that enter courtships have their conversations monitored 24/7, not allowed to give anything but a side hug at best, no hand holding, not a kiss on the cheek, cannot even sit on a swing together without a chaperone.

But the second they have a wedding they are encouraged to breed like rabbits and repopulate the earth. Talk about all or nothing!

I do respect their morals and standards. I went to a Christian school and was considered a "good girl," but I find this very disturbing and odd.

What are Jim Bob and Michelle afraid of? Like Jessa's or Jill's conversation will go from saying a prayer together over Skype to talking about their wildest sex fantasies when they don't even know what it feels like to have their hand held?

Sorry, but it seems like they really are all drinking the Kool Aid.

got2bdrc said...

It seems odd to me that Jill and Jim Bob would go to Nepal to meet Derick, unless they did so just for the sake of the cameras. "I think I've fallen in love with someone I've never met"--really? If you're on SKYPE, text, and other technology with someone, you've met them. Business relationships flourish using these communication methods when people are never in the room. Still, I'm glad Jill got a trip without having to take the whole Duggar circus along.

On another note, is Jim bob really as ignorant as he appears? "Hola" in Nepal? He's been Derick's prayer partner for more than an year and Jim Bob doesn't know that Spanish is not the language of Nepal? Talk about ethnocentric! I hope Derick is more culturally mature than his soon-to-be Father-in-law. And I hope Derick and jill put some miles between themselves and the Duggars so they can learn how to be a couple on their own, without interference or fear of criticism if they stray from the Duggars' fundie rules.

capslock said...

So there's no money to get J a decent cake for his graduation, and Josie Jordyn and Mackenzie have to celebrate their birthday all on the same day to save money...but a round trip to Nepal to meet a guy you've only Skyped with is no problem?

What hypocrisy!!

Allison said...

In the preview, Jill says "Namaste" followed by JB's "Hola" and I think that really shows how different Jill is from her dad. She's a lot more considerate and culturally-aware than Jim Bob who is just stuck in his world. I think Jill is doing the best she can with her life given the expectations from Gothardism, so I respect that.

Anonymous said...

I love JimBob's voiceover in the previews, << I have serious concerns about his character>> Really, what could it be? He graduated from college, Oklahoma State and not homeschool college!He was a lifeguard! Oh no, he saw females in non-modest swimsuits! He's on Linkedln (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derick-dillard/31/470/4b3) ! Noooo!

AH said...

I can't believe how quickly Jim Bob stifled the smallest amount of physical contact between Jill and Derick. I bet they are counting down the hours until they are married and can get away from the Duggar's toxic, controlling family life. That huge overreaction shows just how rigid and unforgiving their lifestyle is. I bet Derick and Jill got an earful off camera about "guarding your heart" and "saving the physical relationship" for marriage. Ugh. Jim Bob sickens me.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why people think that Josiah didn't have a nice cake for his graduation! The cake looked very nice to me. So it was decorated in fall colors! Do we really seriously think that a boy gives a crap how his cake is decorated. He certainly didn't look like it ruined his party!

Allison said...

I thought Jim Bob said "*If* I have serious questions about his character, I think she'll listen to me." I think it was a hypothetical question, sort of in regards to why they were going over there to meet him in person. I'm pretty sure that's what he said... Could be bad editing.

Barry Obama said...

On Derick's Linkedin page, he also lists Eagle Scout as an accomplishment. Scouting is an activity JimBob, sorry, JimBoob (I'm new) would never let his boy's take part in. I think it speaks to Derick's character that he's an Eagle Scout. I hope he takes Jill far away from the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Re: anonymous' comment about Jim Bob in the voice over; "I have serious concerns about his character." I went back & watched that again, as it really infuriated me. I think what he actually said was; "If I said I had serious concerns about his character, I'm sure Jill would listen to me." I might be wrong but I do think that's what he said. But it' really is just as bad as what we originally thought we heard.

Judy said...

I thought it was hilarious when Jim Bob said I'm SURE Jill will still listen to me if I find something wrong with Derrick's character. Like I am DESPERATE to remain in control and here is a situation where I am losing it.

Anonymous said...

I really think the only Duggar girls that will be married off,for at least or a good long while are Jessa & Jill. Jinger has already been assigned the bulk of Jessa's packing duties and I believe she was also responsible for maintaining the clothing according to size etc. in the room they use for clothing. Of course, Grandma will continue her duties as laundress. Michelle could never get 3 or 4 kids packed for a trip. That really has been a massive job especially, when we hear they pack from Joseph down to Josie. I really can't believe that's true as Joseph & Josiah have been able to complete "Alert Academy." I have heard both Jessa & Jinger say that's who they pack for and Michelle put it this way "they pack from Joseph down to Josie all the rest pack for themselves."

Anonymous said...

I would love Jana to meet a wonxerful person. Are there any unattached Bates men suitable? Kelly Bates as a mother in law would give Jana the maternal bond she needs.

Anonymous said...

About Jim Bob moving in between Derick & Jill, with his hand on her shoulder. I thought it was more like he actually just shoved her on over to his right side. That was just ridiculous. What could happen there on the street with so many people, not to mention the film crew? It's just to show everyone "I'm the Dad," (the same as when they were in Israel) & you better believe I'm in charge of my adult 22yr old daughter. He's such an embarrassment, trying to use the Spanish(wrong country) language which he doesn't know anyway. Why couldn't he have researched a few words on one of his many electronic devices, before they went, or at least on the plane ride over. That said why does anyone feel sorry for him? He's a 50 yr old man who has the resources to learn a few words when he's visiting any foreign country. As a matter of fact, before they went to Japan, Michelle wrote an article for; "Parentables" about their upcoming trip.

Willow said...

For JB, its all about him losing control AND losing attention. I say, why panic Jim Bob, you still have many, many children left to control. Give them a rest already!

flowerchild said...

I don't know if Jana is allowed to marry, some large families like this chose one daughter to stay with the family and care for the aging parents. Or perhaps this is the only birthcontrol method they can use. Or maybe Jana is so attached to her buddies she would feel like she's abandoning her children to leave. I do think I saw disappointment. In her face when Josh married so young.

Anonymous said...

The exact quote from Jim Boob is: I'm still checking Derrick out. If I told her there's some major character flaws in this guy, I know she would listen to that.

I guess the only character flaw is that he put his hand on Jill's shoulder? God forbid!

got2bdrc said...

Seriously, Jim Bob, you have concerns about the character of your prayer partner? Give me a break! If you had doubts about his character or anything else, why would you agree to support his ministry by becoming a prayer partner? And if you discovered something about him you didn't like while you were getting to know him, why did you let Jill start talking to him?

Face the facts, JB--your girls are all grown up and able to think for themselves!

Anonymous said...

Why does JimBob have to check out the character of a suitor like Derrick? He is this guy's prayer partner for a year and a half! If he didn't like the guy, he wouldn't have considered Jill for him. BTW, why can't Jill "check him out herself" for any character flaws? She is 22! Because his children have absolutely NO decision making skills due to lack of development in that area their whole lives. These kids have never been able to make a real decision themselves, from the start. Therefore, they are still children in that area. What are they looking for in a spouse? Someone who is spiritually perfect? Don't they realize that they,, too, may have character flaws? We are human, we all do, especially, you, Jim Bob.

Anonymous said...

Jill and Derick aren't going anywhere. Jim Bob is going to move them into that little house that Josh and Anna outgrew and where he can keep a close eye on things. From the size of their gift registry I wouldn't think they are going very far. With all the TLC dollars and sheds full of extra household goods, I would've been more impressed if they had asked for donations to some of the charities/organizations that they support instead of asking for gifts...

Anonymous said...

About Jill going to Nepal, yes they do need to see if there is chemistry between them, but she could have waited for 2 months until he returned to the States. Going to Nepal was a ridiculous waste of either Jim Bob or TLC's money. Donate it to people who need it. Jill really won't know much about chemistry with her dad there every moment on the trip, phone, text, Skype etc.

Anonymous said...

I think the girls courting is harder for JB because he will no longer be their alpha male - ling of the herd. They will now have their husbands and he will loose all control

Anonymous said...

Chemistry? Between Jill and Derrick? How ridiculous. These girls are required to remain "unemotional" during any courting, according to Michelle, and see this as a business proposition, she said it herself. These girls aren't allowed to feel anything for fear of giving pieces of their heart away, (remember that one?), and with chaperones constantly breathing for you on these "dates", how is one to relax at all and know that they are feeling? These stupid people contradict themselves constantly, it's so obvious. I agree that going to Nepal was a waste of time. He would have returned soon enough to meet. What's the rush? JimBob was concerned that Jill would "fall for him" if they skyped much longer. Of course, she will fall for him... he is her very first male friend, let alone potential suitor.. she will react like any 12 year old with her first jr. high crush. I hope they are really happy with one another in time, but can't help that all of these girls will be at that adolescent crush stage and never know it when they marry.
Jim Bob should have already checked him out as a prayer partner, then when he thought about Jill for Derrick he should have checked him out more and talked to Derrick first about his "qualities' etc, then he should have let Jill and Derrick find out for themselves. Why doesn't Jill know herself what she is looking for in a husband? At 22 yrs old, she should be capable and allowed to find out for herself, Derrick, at 25 should be qualified to do so too. These girls are kept "girls" their whole lives, Anna included, who is still playing "Christian house" with Josh. She is in for a big shock with M4 herself.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Anna is really pregnant with #4. I hope not. She has 3 beautiful little children that need her so much. They have been through a bit of an upheaval this past year. Moving to a new home, leaving grandparents, aunts & uncles. Their dad is no longer around the home as he was before. He's either traveling the country or the world. I think Michael had a difficult time adjusting to Marcus but now seems like a content & happy little boy. Mackenzie is deep in her role as mom's helper & is still only a little girl. They are little for such a shot period of time in this life & they need their mom's time, attention & love. They don't need a new baby entering their home every year & a half.

Rudy Tecat said...

Ok, is JB going to make a Sherpa joke ("I'll take a scoop of orange Sherpa in a cone") or is he going to make a joke about climbing Mount Everest (in flip-flops)? Or, is he just going to play the part of the ignorant foreigner?

Anonymous said...

Wow JimBob must be nice to think your all that and a bag of chips or the best man in the world ,"I have serious concerns about his character I'm sure Jill would listen to me." You might just might run Jill away i have seen this happen in familes all the time you keep pushing and they will runaway Everybody has to grow up and fall on ther face but you get up and get walking good character or not ,we all have troubles issues in are life not everthing is sunshine and lollipops couples fight and not allways get along

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

I'm not sure what the issue is with Jill and JB going to Nepal (apart from JB's total ignorance). I think it was fantastic that Jill got to go somewhere so totally outside of her little world. What an amazing experience! And if she needed an excuse to get there....who cares?! I think everyone (and I mean everyone) can learn something from travelling. Particularly when the destination is so different from your own totally insular little world!

Allison said...

Before Nepal, Jill had been to England, Ireland, Israel, Japan, China, Ecuador, Peru... Girl is hardly hurting for international travel!

Anonymous said...

I don't want to sound mean but, although this may be Jill's first trip to Nepal, she had already traveled the world extensively, along with the rest of the family. They went to: England, Scotland, Ireland, Israel, China, Japan. Not to mention all the mission trips to South America.She's been off the compound and is well traveled.

Anonymous said...

I've always been a fan of the Duggars. They were a family I could relate to. I admired how they bought "used" and saved the difference. I'm not saying I liked them being poor, or frugal, but this trip to Napal takes the cake! I know it is all about TLC, but hearing Jill ask if they could go to a country halfway across the globe just to meet a boy, and JB reply by saying yes, I think we can go, irritated me. Now it's flaunt this, flaunt that. I have had about enough of the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Jill, along with the other kids, has travelled only with the entire family, corralled away from these places and only "looked at these places'. They went overseas only because it was an episode for TLC to film and they picked up the dime. She has travelled before with the family again, only to do mission work because it suited her father. When in Great Britain, did they visit a local pub, speak with the locals, did she ever do anything for herself? No.. this was the closest she will ever get in doing so until marriage... then I still think it's what her husband says... after all, JB would have never approved a more "mainstream" guy for his daughter... I'll wait and see what kind of husband and Christian he is in his daily life. This guy has a real job with WalMart, is using his degree, they will need his income to live, how can they financially afford to do mission work abroad? The finances don't add up... and plese, oh please, don't bring babies or little kids to countries that are potentially dangerous for them...

Anonymous said...

How did poor Derrick go from "approved prayer partner" for Jim Bob for a year and a half, and suddenly get demoted to "this guy". Character flaws? Look at yourself first Jim Bob, and also look at your daughters. I hope Derrick's family critiqued them, too. I'd love to see that..

summer11 said...

As an American living in Germany teaching ESL, I won't be able to see this episode until it gets put on YouTube. But... I did see the video that TLC posted showing the first time Jill and Derrick met in Nepal. (From TLC's Facebook page with a link to a People article)

I think there's some hope for these two, meaning you can tell that he's not from IBLP/ATI. He wanted to give her a REAL hug so badly! It was really sweet, actually. And when they were walking to the car, he pulled her suitcase and placed his hand on her back, but then put it down as if he knew he was breaking some Duggar rule.

I can't imagine only having a side hug after not seeing my boyfriend for 3 months. So unnatural for their emotions to be suppressed like that. A real hug would have been completely appropriate. There were plenty of "chaperones" around!

Anonymous said...

Jill's trip to Nepal will be no different than all the other family trips the entire Duggar family have taken in the past. Her dad is right at her shoulder or only a foot or so behind her. She'll be seeing this country the same way she saw all the others. And no she won't be able to be close enough to Derick to see if there is any chemistry. I can't believe people think she was able to see if there was chemistry between them, the only thing between them is; Jim Bob.

Anonymous said...

With the amount that this family has travelled during this TV show's run, the passport fees alone would cancel the trip for most people..You can be sure that the trips were 100% TLC storyline and the Duggars were working on this trip, not actually sightseeing at all. That being said, it's a conclusion that the network foots the bill for absolutely everything so they have something to film. It's called a television show budget. They all have "travel" episodes, not just reality TV, Everybody Loves Raymond went to Italy, do you think they paid for that trip themselves? Of course not, even though it happens that Ray Roman's family is from that part of Italy...The Duggars don't open their personal wallet for anything that is filmed...even pizza 2 for 1.

Special Ed Lady said...

It would be interesting if Jill did not measure up to his family. If one of the boys does pass some girl's father.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what that giant time line. In the Duggar's hallway is? Can't believe it's historical or scientific. Biblical maybe? I love time lines.

Allison said...

I kept waiting for them to explain why Jim Bob stepped in between Derick and Jill! They weren't even holding hands or even that close to each other! That was the weirdest part of the show for me.

Another weird part: it's been 3 years since Jubilee! How does Michelle still think she'll get pregnant again?! UGH! Get a clue, woman!

Other than that, I guess it was okay. Jill and Derick are adorable. I like them a lot. Jim Bob continues to try to be funny and isn't. Michelle and Jessa's conversation was okay, but pretty surface. They must have either cut a lot or they just didn't go that deep.

And of course, they showed Michelle actually being a parent, probably after all our comments about how hands-off she is!

hello said...

I just saw the part where Michelle and Jessa were"bonding" over Jessa's courtship. Jessa said that Ben had said something about giving her all the roses and rose gardens in the world and Jessa said she replied- where would she put them, since she is very cut and dried with answers. She said that Jill couldnt believe she said that. Michelle said she should have replied- thats so sweet (in the little girl voice). Then Jessa said the other girls are teaching her. Are these girls being so brainwashed into thinking that they need to change their personalities to please a man? And then we have Jimboob in Nepal with Jill. Was it really necessary for him to push Jill to the side after he pulled Derrick's hand off of her back? After watching that episode it really makes me believe that the girls are brainwashed into thinking that they have to marry the first man that they court.it seems that the Duggars only see black and white without any shades of gray. I wonder what would happen if one of the girls married someone who turned out to be either physically or mentally abusive. Would they be "encouraged" to stick it out as the men are considered authority figures?

KitKath said...

How incredibly sad was the discussion between Michelle and Jessa? Obviously, Jessa gets her cold, distant, bizarre behavior from Michelle. Jesus, have they ever talked alone? Ever? Poor Ben...

Samantha said...

I hope Jessa doesn't think she has to change for the sake of a man and to be "the perfect wife." Being a thinker is fine and natural. It is how God designed her. I hope her sisters are just encouraging her to be more open to giving and receiving love in ways that another person needs without also telling her she must give up on giving and receiving love in her own way, too. But most ultra-fundamentalists I know consider it the woman's duty to give up her own ideas or needs and adapt everything about herself to the man's wishes, rather than viewing it as a two-way partnership. In a partnership, Jessa would need to learn to affirm Ben in ways that work for him while he learns to affirm her as a thinker who is less sentimental and gushy. I hope she isn't being pressured to give up the side of that equation that affirms who she is.

Anonymous said...

I know what the time line the duggars have on their wall is. We have one that came from barns & noble. I wish we had a wall long enough to hang it on. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/078582782X/ref=pd_aw_sims_2?pi=SL500_SY115

Anonymous said...

I think Jessa is entitled to her own personality, at least she's being honest. All I could think of is, Michelle wants her to sound and act just like her. Her advice was tell Ben, "that's so sweet." I thought it was telling that her sisters were trying to help her change too. I think it's better he knows how she really is now and not later. Michelle was trying to talk her into the familiar; "keeping sweet." Is she supposed to be a carbon copy of Michelle?

Anonymous said...

Re: JimBob stepping in between Jill & Derrick. I think the fact that he put his hand on Jill's back really surpised Jim Bob & he felt he had to let him know right away; that's not the way we do things. That's why I'm here, I'm the Dad!
Also, that discussion between Michelle & Jessa didn't show me that Michelle was finally being a parent. She sounded like a teen age girl; "you should tell him that's so sweet."

Anonymous said...

This is the 1st time I've ever seen, " Miracle Child, Josie," disciplined. At least, Michelle tried to discipline her, but she wasn't having any of it. She really is spoiled, guess she didn't get the blanket training. Also, why does Michelle always say "tell brother your sorry, or tell brother thank you?" She doesn't use their name (i.e.) tell Jackson you're sorry, or tell Jackson thank you"? She could say, tell "your brother" thank you, or tell "your brother" you're sorry." But she always say's "tell brother." I've always thought that was a strange way to speak but wonder if it's a regional thing?

Anonymous said...

Why in the world did Jim Bob keep saying "Hola" whenever they went into a shop or a restaurant? He was already well aware that the proper greeting there in Nepal, was simply to put his palms together, as if in a praying motion. And the constant questions to Derick about Jill after only one day; "is she as sweet as you thought she'd be?" Is she the nicest looking girl you've seen in Nepal?" Derick is one smart guy. Jim Bob doesn't even have a clue but he has more than met his match in Derick!

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

I think there is hope for Derick and Jill. I have to say that I was really impressed that Jill prodded JB to try the food (he was only eating rice and beans). I also thought it was awesome that on more than once occasion Derick left Jill alone and dragged JB off. He clearly thinks that she can handle herself and doesn't need to be monitored EVERY SINGLE SECOND.

I think that once Jill gets out from under JB's thumb, we will see her spread her wings and relax a bit with the rhetoric. Particularly, since Derick clearly wasn't raised in the Gothard controlled version of Christianity.

I was horrified that Michelle was "coaching" Jessa on how to react to Ben's ridiculous text message about "all the flowers in the world". I get the love languages point, but you also need to stay true to yourself....or not, I guess, if you subscribe to their warped view of Christianity and complete submission.

Csnee317 said...

Jill seemed genuinely interested in Derrick, unlike what they have shown between Jessa and Ben. JB said something about not wanting to make her go alone (or something like that), as if she would have been allowed to travel alone in this family. I'm surprised that a guy who went to OK State and did the "real" college thing is interested in a girl from a super-fundie family who is not allowed to even hold hands with him. IMO, it was so beyond weird that they flew to Nepal to "meet" him. Whoever said if you have been on Skype, etc then you have met them I agree. Its not like they were only sending handwritten letters or something. I too used to respect and almost admire them when they were the "buy used, save the difference", laundry soap making, dress sewing, do it yourselfers. I'm honestly surprised they have let her do a wedding registry. It seems very un-duggarlike.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob didn't just step in between Jill & Derick, when Derick put his hand on her back. He actually did push her over to his right side. It was then, Derick, Jim Bob & finally on the far right Jill. Just unbelievable. He seemed like such a nice young man. Excellent manners. I say that because my grandmother always told me that good manners meant, the other person tried very hard to make everyone feel comfortable and at home. I thought Derick tried hard to do that,by explaining everything from the traffic to the food ,introducing them to
his friend that was an artist. I kept thinking how Josh tries to outdo his brother-in-law David, when they come to visit. How will Josh ever compete with this guy. I think he has Josh beat all around. I'm not sure if Derick will want a new baby yearly, although Jill might.

Anonymous said...

Apparently Michelle doesn't realize that you can't suddenly tell the "Miracle Child," the world doesn't revolve around her at age 4. At 4 years of age she already realizes that your world has revolved around her for quite some time.

Judy said...

I wish Michelle could embrace Jessa's personality and not try to change it. That whole coffee and conversation was so set up that it hurt.

Judy said...

I hope they start speeding up the time frame. It is weird to watch Derick and Jill just starting tocourt, knowing that right now they are only weeks away from their wedding.

lily said...

I love love love Jill and Derrick. I think Derrick will be good for Jill and show her there is more to life than living by the Gothard Bible and Principles. I am hoping Derrick takes Jill far away from the Duggar Clan and introduces her to friends of his who are on the same intellectual level as himself. I also hope Derrick won't have to put up with ignorant annoying Josh too much during so called " family Visits." I also hope Family visits that pop up on the happy couple don't become a bone of contention between Derrick and Jill. You think Anna would have been just a little bit annoyed when " the fam" came for a holiday meal and stayed a week. TLC and Jimboob should stop sticking their noses in the kids business unless they want to pay them a sizeable amount of money to give them a good start in married life. Break free Jill and finally realize you have been brainwashed all these years by your fanatical parents.

Samantha said...

I don't think Jessa is bizarre. She is a practical thinker who isn't into gooey romance talk over text and who might be uncomfortable being too emotional or vulnerable on camera over a guy she is just starting to get to know. That is totally normal for many personality types. Michelle wants Jessa to be more girly and "sweet," so Jessa isn't getting her more reserved behavior from her mom. Jessa hasn't been allowed to bond with any guy in her life, and now she has to have a public relationship that can't include affection or serious, private conversations. So you take someone who naturally has a more reserved, practical personality type and put her in that situation...of course she isn't acting giggly and lovey dovey!

Leslie said...

Re: "Brother"

I've lived in Texas my whole time, and I have one friend who sometimes refers to her brother that way(E.g. "Brother and I went to the movies..."). But she's the only one I know who does this. I always refer to my brother and sister as "my brother"/"my sister" or "Bryan"/"Ashley."

Anonymous said...

If Jessa is of the opinion that Ben is asking her to deliver something in the relationship that she is basically not comfortable with, ie, affection, tenderness, then it's time for them to part. Plain and simple. This is an important basic emotion for two married people. You should be on the same plane in the "private relationship" department. Let's face it, this is as close as they'll get to knowing before they are (hope not) married! Jessa will eat him alive and feel that he is dragging her down, Ben will feel isolated,, lonely and neglected. A bad recipe.

Marites H. said...

What's with Michelle telling Josie the world does not revolve around her? A child that young does not understand what the word "revolve" means? If you're talking to the little ones, you need to use little words they will understand. I guess all the sister-moms were busy with their buddies so Michelle actually had to work in the kitchen.
One of Jill's buddies -- Jennifer, I think -- looked so upset when Jill left for her Nepal trip. These kids are being "abandoned" by their sister-mom and left with that woman with the bad hairdo who lives in their house. These lost girls are in for a big shocker when they find out Michelle is actually their mom.

Leigh Ann said...

Good grief, Jim Bob, would you quite torturing the poor guy and just say yes! Poor Derick, he must have been dying.

I missed the whole hand on the back incident, where was that?

imaamy said...

I am just surprised by the hearts and roses preteen behavior of the older girls regarding relationships. Oh, I keep all his things on my dresser, countdown calendar, oh wow, like so nice to be here....blah blah. I think my 14 year-old daughter might act a bit more maturely about boys! I like all of the girls but their stunted emotional maturity was so evident in this episode.

Dar said...

I am so over this woman acting as if Jordyn is an invisible person. Someone said that what we see on TV is probably not the way this family behaves. Could Michelle be more blind to the existence of this little girl. She calls her children "Brother" or "sister" because I don't think she sees them as individuals. Poor little Jordyn just walked away again.The little ones are obviously not used to having Michelle around and actually doing something. Michelle just wants to be on camera, telling the world she would welcome another baby. I think at one point in time, she might have been a good mom. The four older girls seem to love her. After them, I think she just wanted to focus on the assembly line of children to garner more attention. I think at this point that she is a very cold, detached person and certainly not living up to "Mother of the Year" tag. I see poor Joyanna(the 5th oldest girl) now has her braces removed and is now taking over the jobs of Jessa and Jill.

Anonymous said...

I am not fan of Jim Bob in general, but I did think he was more reserved in Nepal and did give Derick and Jill distance (as much as he can go en their conservative believes). He seems to actually try to be respectful. Having traveled to places like India and Nepal, I realize Hola is not appropriate, but I think it comes from more a discomfort on his part than an actual disrespect the culture. I did feel the Derick and Jill vibe was real--they seems to truly be attracted to and like one another.

mom in texas said...

I found it so heartbreaking to see Michelle completely ignore Jordyn while she "disciplined" Josie. Poor Jordyn seems so overlooked. No one may even notice it now in the Duggar household but I hope Jordyn doesn't act out in the future due to the lack of attention. Michelle telling Josie that the "world doesn't revolve around her" was completely lost on the child. She could have cared less and still never apologized to her siblings. I don't doubt that Michelle loves her children but it seems that after a certain number they became more a novelty act to her, rather than human beings. From the group of boys on down the kids seem to be nameless little people who are grouped together with no individuality.

It is also clear that Derek's background is different from Jill's upbringing however, it must not be too big of a deal because he was approved by Jim Bob. I laughed at how many times Derek checked himself and awkwardly tried to find a place to put his hands. At the initial airport meeting Derek put his hand on Jill's shoulder for a moment and Jill had a look of sheer terror and confusion so poor Derek quickly moved it. It was all rather silly.

Anonymous said...

Again re: Jim Bob's use of "Hola, " in Nepal. He's been Derick's "prayer partner," for about a year, depending on what episode you watch. Jill was able to learn the correct greetings. All Jim Bob had to do (& Derick told him that the first time they had occasion to need a greeting,) was to put his hands together, as you might to pray, that's all there was to it.. and Jim Bob didn't do it. If he did they didn't show it. That would be a disgrace not to show him using proper etiquette. Jim Bob has all the most modern technology at his fingertips and he couldn't check this out either beore they went, or on that very long trip. Does he just want to stand out or does he want to embarrass Jill & Derick?

Anonymous said...

It's so bizarre that Jill can think she is "in love with someone she has never met." I don't think these girls are aware of the difference between love and lust. Talking to someone over Skype and text for a few weeks/months cannot be love. You do not know anything about their character or the way they are in person. Anyways,is it just me or do the Duggar kids have pretty bad skin? Jill, Jessa, Jinger and Josiah seem to have pretty bad acne. I hope they are taken to a dermatologist because Jill is what 23? And it seems like she still breaks out badly. I think it was however sweet to see Jill and Derick together. Although it does seem like a young teen relationship and I cannot believe they're getting married in a month, I think Derick is a good guy. I feel like he hasn't grown up in the fundie lifestyle and I wonder if he's drank before and kissed other girls. I was surprised to see that Jim Bob actually stayed 20 ft away and wasn't between them the entire time. Derick is so adorable and seemed thrilled about being with Jill. I actually don't think that the two of them were awkward around each other…Josh and Anna were painful to watch. On the topic of Jessa and Ben…despite what everyone else thinks I really do think that Jessa and Ben are happy together and in love. They are just younger and that is why I am glad their courtship is longer than most. I think Jessa is just a 'matter of fact' kind of girl, and there's nothing wrong with that. I am not a lovey dovey person either, I don't like too much touching and I don't express my emotions very well..that doesn't mean I don't feel them. I hope that these girls are not brainwashed into thinking they are in love and have to marry the first man they court…I hope all of their lust turns into real love some day.

Leigh Ann said...

Katmandu gets plenty of English-speaking tourists, he could have just said hello and wouldn't have looked bad.

Ashley said...

I was actually kind of impressed with how Jim Bob seemed to hang back to let Jill and Derrick have some space to get to know each other...that is, until he did the huge pause when Derrick asked for the ok to court. That was clearly intentional and was really obnoxious.

I wish they would have explained how Derrick works for Walmart if he has been in Napal since he graduated from college. I'm sure there is an explanation but I'm not seeing it.

"The world does not revolve around Josie" was weird. I would have said something like "It's hard to wait! I don't like it when I have to wait either. But other people like to have turns too, so let's let Jackson have his turn with it and then it will be your turn." So instead of telling Josie why she isn't important (I know that's a stretch), tell her why other people are important too.

When Michelle brought the Love Languages thing in at the end, I could sort of see where she was coming from. It is important to show love in a way that your partner feels love. However, it's just as important to make sure that before you get married, you can show your partner love without compromising who you are. So while Jessa could probably go out of her way to be romantic if that's what he needs, she shouldn't have to use a syrupy voice since that's clearly not who she is.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but this whole Nepal trip is for the sake of the show or maybe even product placement. Did they show any airline logos? Plane tickets to Nepal are $2500+. Without the show, a parent of 19 kids would have said, "You'll have to wait until he comes home in two months. There's no way we're spending thousands of dollars just for you to meet in person."

Ginger said...

Jim Bob's huge ego really came through in the questions he was asking Derick, after only being in Nepal for few hours. He actually asked Derick; "is she (Jill) as sweet as you thought she'd be? "Is she the nicest looking girl you've seen in Nepal?" What!! You know, Jim Bob that's both; prideful& boastful. Not exactly great, "character qualities. Perhaps they only expect their kids to have these great character qualities...doesn't apply to parents. Imagine if Derick answered "No" to Jim Bob's questions. If Jim Bob wanted to make conversation ask him, about his work, how he likes it there, what parts of the country does he enjoy the most? Just small talk to start off with... there should be plenty to talk, about other than if Jill is as sweet as he expected her to be & if she's the nicest looking girl in Nepal.

mom in texas said...

Ashley said:
I wish they would have explained how Derrick works for Walmart if he has been in Napal since he graduated from college. I'm sure there is an explanation but I'm not seeing it.
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The episode was taped a few months ago. Derrick could have been recently hired as an accountant for the company.

Katie's Mom said...

No matter what has been said on the Duggrs show, this serious friendship/courtship and now engagement with Jill & Derick (whom I like very much) still seems to have come out of nowhere. One minute she is deep in her studies for becoming a midwife & the next thing she is skyping, texting etc. & finally travelling to Nepal to meet a man that had not been mentioned in the entire year or so that he was Jim Bob's "prayer partner." Also, strange that all of a sudden there are 2 young women in the Duggar home that appear to be making their way to the alter.

Anonymous said...

phony phony phony. Jim Bob is nothing more than an opportunist and Michelle is too brainwashed to say anything different. No way in a million years would any loving normal parents allow that trip to happen. it's scripted and a set up. jumped the shark. If they did it because he was "praying" on line so they think he's a nice guy, that's even worse and they are setting their daughter up for danger.

Willow said...

I think the trip to Nepal was for several reasons. One reason was it made for an interesting episode (I thought it was interesting). Another reason, I think, was so that Jill could see Derick in his "missionary" environment. I think that was somewhat important for someone like Jill; not just to meet Derick, but to actually see what a life with him might be like. I think that was a good idea. Yes, it cost a lot of money, but maybe JB and TLC split the cost. I thought it was nice that Jill and JB got to enjoy something without all the little kids in tow. I think there is a lot they keep secret, but I thought it was kind of worth it to see Jill so happy. I think they are a great match. It looks like Derick must have gotten the job at Wal Mart after he returned, which I guess would have been Jan or Feb.

Anonymous said...

TWO WEEKS in Nepal? Besides the airfare, just what did this trip cost and exactly who paid for it, hotel, food, etc,? TLC, I bet. Also, it is curious that a "dedicated" midwife in training, Jill, had 2 weeks to suddenly leave her training program. She will dump it all quickly for marriage. Just like expected....that's all they are bred for, to breed more of their own with nothing else. I also think that it is somewhat unhealthy and NOT balanced for these kids, (male and female alike) to go from emotional adolesents to "married adult" life in one day...Yes, Jill is acting like a 14 year old with her first crush; even a 14yr old is allowed more space with her first boyfriend. Jill is a woman of 22. She is so far from that. I do hope that they will, somehow, be happy. How can Derrick, a more mainstream guy, hopefully, can be intellectually fulfilled by marrying a teenage minded girl.
Jessa and Ben, on the other hand, need a whole page just about them and that screwed up situation. I still have my doubts that they are "a real couple".

Anonymous said...

Not Sure if it is TLC or Jim Bob and Michelle's desire to keep the show going. No more babies, so the focus has to be on some other expansion of the family, hence all of these courtships. May be Jim Bob and Michelle see that the show is nearing an end and need to get as many of the kids out of the house as possible, to survive without TLC dollars. Not that I condone pre-marital sex, I don't, but I have observed that if that is the family expectation, that once a child starts dating they marry quite quickly. I blame that on hormones. I used to really like this family, but it all seems so contrived now. Each week we see maybe 20 minutes, and of that 20 minutes, at least 5 minutes is recaps or someone commenting on what we just saw. What we see is all for show.

mom in texas said...

After watching the episode again, I too have to cry foul on some things. I felt like this wasn't Jill and Derek's first meeting. Their embrace at the airport seemed staged, like a "take two" moment. That may explain why Derek felt so comfortable putting his hand on Jill's shoulder and other things that would normally be deemed unacceptable under Duggar rule. I find it hard to believe that Jim Bob would hand Jill over to a guy he only knew as a prayer partner. Surely Jim Bob has checked out the family and Derek prior to the trip to Nepal especially since Derek's family is from Arkansas. Derek's mother and step father visited the house during Josiah's grad party (which I can't recall if it happened before or after the trip since due to editing the timeline is all screwed up). Jim Bob seems like the type to suspect motive and probably checked Derek out before he even agreed to be a prayer partner. Sure they might not have spent a great amount of time together but I believe these two young folks met at some point prior (other than the time Derek caroled at the Duggar house years ago to that was mentioned.)

Crazy Eyes said...

The M and J's "bonding" over coffee was disturbing. If Jessa is the "cut and dried" practical one who expresses a little hesitation about who she's courting (genuine potential spouse not a throw-away date), M should ask her to lay out how she's really feeling (good-bad-and-ugly) NOT "train" her in the gentle art of self-denial and emotional suppression to keep the ball rolling towards a wedding episode.

IMO: Unless there is a trust fund or vacant property in the Duggar dowry... Ben needs to finish his education and get a stable job BEFORE marriage (to anyone). This is a more reasonable plan because, in their culture, he's going to be expected to "cleave" from his family and be the soul support of his stay-at-home wife/mother.

Anonymous said...

Don't know how I ever missed that Derick had caroled at the Duggar home, even if it was year ago. When was that mentioned? Did they talk about it,even in passing in a recent episode?

Katie's Mom said...

Re: Judy's comment that she wished Michelle could just embrace Jessa's personality. Although, I do agree with that sentiment, the first thing that went through my mind was; I wish Michelle could, just embrace Jessa!

Anonymous said...

I thought Jim Bob & Jill went to Nepal for 2 weeks. That was one long trip for 1 week. Also, how come after just starting to court Jill, Derick was able to hold her hand. Jessa & Ben are still not holding hands. There is something strange in these 2 relationships. I know it must be the timing with the show but it seems like Jill & Derick must have started courting before Jessa & Ben but it's been shown the other way around. Jessa & Ben can hardly be near each other but Derick & Jill are holding hands?

Anonymous said...

Derick mentioned several times that Jill & Jim Bob were in Nepal for 1 week. I thought the trip was for 2 weeks. Is it me or can they not keep the story line straight?

Allison said...

Also, how come after just starting to court Jill, Derick was able to hold her hand. Jessa & Ben are still not holding hands.

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No, they didn't hold hands before getting engaged. They even said in an interview after they got engaged that that's when they first held hands. They briefly touched hands when they pulled away in the taxi, but that's it. and it wasn't even really "holding" hands. It was more like a graze...

Anonymous said...

I found this sad because Jill was obviously so head over heels right from the start, just because he was the first guy she'd ever been allowed to talk to basically. It was sad because this is the first crush you're meant to have when you're younger - and figure out why people are not right for you!

Derrick did seem sweet but I was embarrassed for Jill because she was just so naive and crazy about it from the start.

Jimbob surprised me in this episode. He was still annoying (rude about the foreign food!) but so much calmer in Nepal...weird huh. He was obviously tolerant of Jill and Derrick sidehugging (without even being in a courtship?), walking alone and he was letting Derrick take the lead on a lot of things like driving, talking, ordering food instead of being all competitive. Surprising. He also tried on the clothes!

Anonymous said...

WOW and when being asked to court Jim Bob said "I think if it's okay with Jill, it'll be okay with Mum and I so why don't you ask Jill" - that's a huge step and nearly treating Jill as a person rather than an object! Amazing.

Anonymous said...

I think the ask Jill comment about courting was just for the camera to make it seem like it was her choice when it had all been settled beforehand.

Anonymous said...

Jana is now 24. By their standards, she should have married at least 4 years ago. Aren't they concerned about finding her an age appropriate man? Where are they going to find a 25+ year old virgin? All the good ones will already be snapped up. I don't want Jana to wind up with no one, or worse yet, some old widower with 10 kids himself already. She doesn't need to trade aprons. She needs a really good life and a vacation from the kitchen and nursery. IMO, the Duggars really don't look out for their own kids, only how their kids serve them.

hello said...

They don't look out for their own kids and their kids do serve them. I believe Jana has been so brainwashed into thinking her life should be staying at home and being in charge of her siblings.Jimboob and Michelle certainly don't think it is their job to raise their kids themselves. Michelle stated in an interview that her relationship with her husband is more important than the one with her children. I believe that showing Michelle now spending one on one time with her kids is purely for the show. She is just biding her time until she can figure out how to have another baby. There is more to being a mother than just giving birth. One day she will have to face the fact that her baby making days are over. Maybe then she will try to fix the relationship she has with her kids and her grandchildren. Maybe then she will stop saying-I am not currently expecting but I hope to be.

Anonymous said...

Wow....Jimboob putting his hand on Jill's back and pushing her out of Derek's way...talk about marking your territory.

Anonymous said...

The sad thing is that these kids don't have any idea how underlying bad they have been treated all these years. Jill is actually looking for someone to "approve having authority over her"? What a croc! She thinks she is empowered in making this "decision". All the while, Jim Bob chose that guy for her. We really have no idea who Derrick is, or what kind of guy he is NOW. I really hope, he isn't a fanatic and lives a real life. The only hope I have is that he actually attended a college, graduated and his mother wears pants.. that's so sad.

Leigh Ann said...

And the best thing of all, he has a real job. I would think WM corporate would be a good place to work with lots of opportunity for advancement. I wonder about some of these guys and their ability to support a family. Nothing wrong with working in the family business, owning your own small business or working in a trade but at least for the Duggar boys, their "businesses" just don't seem to be much. Josh's car lot didn't seem to do much. Although if he didn't have TLC money maybe he might have put more effort into selling cars. Does John David have more than just the one tow truck? I'd think you'd need a few guys working for you to really make a go of it.

Emilya842 said...

Michelle made a good point (goodness, it was difficult to type that!) when she spoke to Jessa about love languages. It is important to show love to your spouse in a way that he/she understands. However, I don't agree that Jessa needs to change her personality in order to please Ben or suit him. I also wish Michelle would have also pointed out that Jessa is within her rights to tell Ben the way she feels loved and ask that he put effort into her love language. Both parties in the relationship need to feel loved; it is not only the responsibility of the woman to make the man feel loved and appreciated. The emphasis that Gothardites place on women and their responsibility for the success of the marriage is unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

It IS up to the women to do it all and make the man feel like King of the World in their eyes. If Jessa isn't feeling like Ben is King, at least Prince, she should tell him and they should part ways. They obviously don't click emotionally and their marriage definition is based on sex, hopefully with emotion involved. Orrr, maybe it's just sex, mechanically, no emotion involved. They believe that the woman abandons herself and remolds herself into what her man wants her to be. So so sad; they snuff the life out of all their kids.

Ginger said...

Re: Anonymous' comment about thinking Jim Bob & Jill were in Nepal for 2 weeks. I was also sure that's what they originally said. However, towards the very end, in the last episode, Jim Bob is saying how much they enjoyed these few days in Nepal. Then Derick, made the statement, when they were putting their luggage in the taxi that; "Jim Bob & Jill are wrapping up their week here, in Nepal."

Anonymous said...

Jimboob was really pimping his daughter (slave girl) on this episode. He kept asking Derick how it was going and did he like her, etc.... Shocking behavior for a parent.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bobs hesitation in answering Derick for his permission to court was hilarious. Very bad acting. He practically rammed his daughter down his throat. I predict a very short courtship and engagement for these two. They will want to get away from this smothering cult fast.
P.S. Don't look back!

Elspeth said...

I predict a very short courtship and engagement for these two.

Ya think? The wedding is scheduled for June 21. Not a lot of predicting needed. :)