Tuesday, March 13, Bates Family Special, 10:00 PM

The Bates Family (wt) introduces us to an amazing family of 21, living a simple, music-filled life in the picturesque hills of Tennessee. In this special, we meet the family, learn of their business, and witness the joy as they welcome their 19th child.
60 minutes

Bates family on Good Morning America

58 comments:

Softballfan said...

Did it get moved up 2 weeks?

Sharla said...

Perhaps. I checked two sources, one of which was TLC, and it was on both for two weeks from now.

Dar said...

Perhaps they are not going to show the "visit" and the ensuing exploitation of the fetus. It would be nice if someone associated with this production would have some class.

tulip said...

Dear TLC: Most of us have already met The Bates! Anyway, sounds like it will be the typical who's who, what each of their roles are, daily routine/trip go the grocery store, watch the kids perform musically and topped off with a homeschooling scene and Bible study time. Oh, and I guess the birth of Jeb.

Hopefully it will be somewhat enjoyable, though...I actually don't mind The Bates-they seem much more real than The Duggars. I can definitely see Kelly ACTUALLY homeschooling the kids, the older girls doing things other than being nannies to their younger siblings, and I've never seen Gil as a talking head. The photos they posted on their site of Jeb's birth look so genuine, like they're first-time parents-not just posing for the camera with yet another number to add to the title of a show. Also hoping for a wedding for Zach and Sarah-their relationship seems much more sweet then when Josh courted Anna.

mom in texas said...

So the date was changed? Interesting...I smell a ratings ploy, maybe. Since this weeks episodes were such snoozefest, maybe TLC is making a last ditch effort to get viewers interested in something semi-new. As someone who still tunes in to 19 kids & counting, I have to say the material has gone way stale.

ennvee said...

Interesting that they've moved the date. I guess they can't have the Bateses air after the Jubilee VSE, since people will likely be throwing stuff at the TV and not give the Bateses the time of day, given they are essentially Duggar clones.

Alberta Rose said...

TLC is starting to get very confusing. Of course it doesn't help that I tend to click on "future recordings", start anticipating a certain episode, only to be going "Huh?" The episode with Michelle doing a driving lesson with one of the girls seems to have disappeared, LOL! I am beginning to think they have realized that an episode featuring Jubilee would not be welcome.

Sharla said...

That episode is still showing on their schedule which is, of course, subject to change.

Alberta Rose said...

That episode is still showing on their schedule which is, of course, subject to change.

Sorry, I meant my cable company's listings. Swerve and Serve is no longer showing as airing on March 13th. All it shows is "19 Kids & Counting" followed by the stock description of the show, no episode title. On Tuesday it was showing "Swerve and Serve" as airing on March 13th. GRIN, the problem might be with my cable provider.

As for a special about the Bates, I'm looking forward to it because they seem more down to earth like the Duggars were before Josie was born. I don't really like the way the show is changing. At least the girls aren't too interested in pandering to the public. They'll get married, get a career or do both by their own personal timelines, not when TLC says they should.

taurus0385 said...

So I take it theyre dragging out jubelees death longer.

Alberta Rose said...

So I take it theyre dragging out jubelees death longer.

I think they've wisely decided not to show it.

BTW, I figured out what the problem was with the Swerve & Serve episode. For some reason on March 13th my cable provider is going to pick up the West Coast feed instead of the Eastern feed. I had to reprogram it, as well as do a search to find this episode.

tulip said...

It will be refreshing to see The Bates, if they aren't giving into Gothard law. In episodes past loved the fact they talked about and showed Erin going TO Crown College and thought it was great we saw the older girls doing other things than toting around the little ones. What happened to Gil's job at Nabisco? Just hope he didn't give it up because Gothard says men should have their own business and not work for anyone else.

tulip said...

I am skeptical, though-didn't Erin turn down a scholarship to continue a college education in music?

Elvira said...

Erin turned down the scholarship but we don't know if it was full or only $1,000 or $2,000. Not all scholarships are full rides and usually aren't.

Gil quit working for Nabisco years and years ago.

Crown College is an unacredited ultra-conservation Christian institution.

ennvee said...

It will be refreshing to see The Bates, if they aren't giving into Gothard law. In episodes past loved the fact they talked about and showed Erin going to Crown College and thought it was great we saw the older girls doing other things than toting around the little ones. What happened to Gil's job at Nabisco? Just hope he didn't give it up because Gothard says men should have their own business and not work for anyone else. ================================= I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they are probably even DEEPER into Gothard than the Duggars. Erin's CD is sold on IBLP's website, Gil speaks at the ATI homeschool conventions (as do the Duggars) and considers himself a "preacher." He has stated several times the Gothard rhetoric about he Lord putting it on his heart to quit his middle management job (this was now about 10 years ago) at Nabisco and start a home business to ostensibly be closer to his family. Unfortunately, anyone whose world isn't black and white can figure that with the Gothard proviso to have your sons assist you in your business, you keep them that much more isolated from society. Any "degrees" earned by the Bates kids is of the Christian online degree mill sort, and Erin only takes one or two classes at Crown College per semester because someone has to go with her (another Gothard "rule" to keep the children "accountable"). As noted, none of these places is accredited. Erin will be married off long before she ever takes a chemistry lab exam. Frankly, I've seen through their act since Day One since I already had the Duggars as a blueprint. The Bateses may come off more likeable at first, but once you know they had a picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest hanging on the wall of their "Patriots Room" in the new remodel, but was taken down the next time TLC visited (much like how the horses were edited out of the reruns of that particular episode), these people are every bit as dangerous as the Duggars, ESPECIALLY because they vilify the real world, idealize a past that never existed and keep their kids woefully undereducated so it's nearly impossible for them to break away and discover that what they've been taught by Gothard (via their parents) has been a total lie.

tulip said...

So much for The Bates...ridiculous how these families keep promoting themselves as Christians, but sneak in Gothard all so innocently. Now that more and more people are checking into this stuff for themselves, they'll see how wacko ATI really is. (Also heard Gil had some DVD for sale on IBLP on how he and his family manage financially, etc.) UGH!

Stephanie said...

Are you serious? She can't drive to school alone or walk to and from class alone? Or are you joke? And don't laugh but the photo of Nathan Bedford Forrest isn't that the KKK relative on Forrest Gump? Or just a bizarre coincedence. If its not the Forest Gump relative who is it really? If it is the character from the movie, since when do they watch movies? Is Crown College really unaccreadited?
Would someone tell me how I can put my profile info on our site?

Alberta Rose said...

The Bateses may come off more likeable at first, but once you know they had a picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest hanging on the wall of their "Patriots Room" in the new remodel, but was taken down the next time TLC visited (much like how the horses were edited out of the reruns of that particular episode), these people are every bit as dangerous as the Duggars, ESPECIALLY because they vilify the real world, idealize a past that never existed and keep their kids woefully undereducated so it's nearly impossible for them to break away and discover that what they've been taught by Gothard (via their parents) has been a total lie.

And that differs from other people how? There are plenty of secular people who go out of their way to ensure their kids have a certain "real world" viewpoint based on the teachings of a certain person. "According to Gothard, according to Dr. Phil, according to Oprah, according to great-grandma, grandma and my mother, according to my pa, his pa, and his pa," there are direct and indirect ways to make sure people have a certain world view.

Jen said...

Mr. Bates does have a DVD for sale on IBLP's website. The DVD is titled "How to Support a Family of 19 Without a Salary"

sandi said...

Gil certainly let it slip when he referred to other college students (in general) as 'wolves'.

Rebecca said...

Yes, that is the same Nathan Bedford Forrest, a leader of the KKK post-Civil War. (Forrest Gump, of course, was not a real person. but sadly. NBF was.)

ennvee said...

And that differs from other people how? There are plenty of secular people who go out of their way to ensure their kids have a certain "real world" viewpoint based on the teachings of a certain person. "According to Gothard, according to Dr. Phil, according to Oprah, according to great-grandma, grandma and my mother, according to my pa, his pa, and his pa," etc...

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The difference is that the Bateses are trying to sell themselves as a sweet lil' ole family with a lot of kids. The problem with Forrest is that he represents a very ugly part of American history; yes, he was a General for the Confederacy in the Civil War and was from Tennessee but , but that's about all that can be said about him that is historically neutral. As the Confederate flag is a symbol of a time in American history when privileged human beings were allowed to hold other human beings in bondage based solely on the color of their skin, Forrest's creation of the KKK is a large part of the man. I've attached the Wikipedia entry on him. He was, in addition to everything mentioned above, a slave trader. Sweet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

If the Bateses want a larger audience than people who hold this guy in high esteem, they need to take down that picture and replace it with one of Robert E. Lee. Or take it down for taping and put it back up after the cameras leave. You don't want to start off with a negative image; remember how fast TLC edited out the horses when screencaps of them went viral the day after that episode aired? (Recall the horses were removed from the premesis, something Kelly avoided mentioning like the plague when questioned about it on their blog. Maybe they've been returned, but if they're depending on their kid to buy them groceries, how can they feed multiple horses?

I'll watch, only to see how TLC portrays them (probably a lot like the early Duggar specials, I bet) and take careful notes about what they show and especially what they DON'T show.

Ashley said...

The Bates family has benefited so much from their friendship with the Duggars. Before these families found their way to fame (with tv appearances leading to book sales, speaking engagements, a boost to their family-owned businesses, etc.) they may have been "financially independent," as they claim, but they were not in good shape. The Duggars seemed to be doing better with some rental properties and a building project to build their current, large house, but the Bates family were in basically a shack until this fame came along. That is one of the sad things about them preaching their way of life as the only real way to honor God--most families that practice this business of having as many kids as possible do not have tv shows and fame-based income. Without fame, the Duggar and Bates clans would have even fewer opportunities than they do, especially the females. Would someone like Jana ever have been able to leave the southern US if not for the tv show? Would the Bates kids still be crammed into a tiny, rundown house?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Well, well.....guess who just got their own little mini series of 8 episodes? I thought the lordly Bateses said they'd never do a show. Funny how money changes everything. The Duggars must be livid how fortunes have turned...especially if it means the Duggars will be cancelled to make room for the Bates series.

sandi said...

>especially if it means the Duggars will be cancelled to make room for the Bates series.

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Josh will be particularly livid if it puts a cramp in his tlc lifestyle.The Bates are much more likelable ppl and I can easily see tlc going for Zach and his (likely) upcoming family,along with his parents and all of his brothers and sisters,instead of the ego-inflated Josh and Jim Bob and gang.JMO.

Vera said...

True that the Bates aren't as egomaniacal as the Duggars but how long until they are? How long until the fame and fortune go to their head?

I am happy for Lawson though. Maybe he can start supporting himself rather than his parents and their blessings (which they can't support themselves).
If I were Lawson, I would have been majorly ticked when #19 was announced. Of course he may have had enough Kool-Aid to take it all as God's will.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

With the Bateses, TLC is getting at least one upcoming wedding for sure, and Kelly (who apparently will be referred to as Kelly Jo on the program) seems to be winning the baby baking sweepstakes over Michelle, so perhaps that's why they've decided to jump ship from the foundering SS Duggar.

I have no doubt that money will do the same thing to the Bateses that it's done to the Duggars. This should be intersting to see.

Wampascat said...

Kelly Bates has spouted in the past how she wants to help and encourage people. I guess we'll never get away from being spoon fed Gothardisms. No thanks. We're all full here.

HondaMom said...

I hate to say it, but I think once the Bates family has their own show, people will wish they hadn't because it's nicer to pretend they are less extreme than the Duggars.

I have met their family a few times because some of my obligations put me in their vicinity, and, while their older kids seem to be more outgoing and slightly more independent than the Duggar kids, Gil is boisterous, likes to hear himself spout platitudes, and leaves management of the littles to the teenagers if Kelly is not around. I can't imagine a show about them would be anything other than more of the same.

stephan said...

They are no different. Most opinions are "more down to earth than Duggars" "not as extreme" etc
They are exactly the same, we will see. Gil is a big mouthed as Jimbob.
They have already accepted the house renovation from TLC. They have had to back the Duggars play for 7 years, they probably can't believe their ship has come in. Doubtful they will learn from Duggar mistakes. I think they will slowly repeat each and every one.
Kelly is "winning" aka losing IMHO the baby race. Michelle is green would be my guess. Can you say FRENEMIES?
Josh probably wanted a spin off, but what's to see?

Anonymous said...

The Bates at least have going for them that they are way better musicians than the Duggars--I can listen to the Bates music whereas the Duggars' scratching violins hurt even my very untrained ear.
Other than that, all the posts point to exactly the horror and hypocrisy. Hate TV--except when we're on it (well, that's what the Lord has given us, so we'll use it for our ministry). Hate the internet, except the ton of us we've posted on YouTube. I suspect the Bates have become intoxicated by fame and money just like heathens do, plus maybe Gil and Kelly want to send a little passive-aggressive message back to Michelle and Jim-Bob (do you have to mention you built this house EVERY TIME?). In the end, though, the Duggars are just way more greedy, opportunistic and media savvy, and they will leave the Bates in the dust. Temporarily. Until everyone but Gothardites gets bored. People have gotten bored by Oprah. Duggars and Bates will fade into the dust. Jim-Bob and Michelle will have socked away millions. Not so sure about Gil and Kelly.

Mandy said...

Alyssa is gorgeous. I hope she ends up marrying John David or Joseph.

ennvee said...

Oh man, that was painful and left out a LOT of the stuff that is common knowledge about them, especially given that people know about them through the Duggars. Not to mention they have an active website that Kelly actively tends.

I'm not impressed with the music, other than Erin. I am still peeved that her father told a national TV audience that he wasn't going to allow her to attend UT on a full scholarship, but then I remember Erin's "green hair" remarks and remember why I call her "Princess." My husband heard the girls yodeling at the beginning, comes in from another room, asks "What was THAT?" I point at the TV and he escapes back into the office. He's heard enough of the Duggars to be wary. :)

Alyssa is a little robot. I had my suspicions before; this special confirmed it. She seriously looks like she's had a brow lift and can't close her eyes. Poor thing is even worse than Jill Duggar in term of Kool Aid consumption.

No mention of Zack's courtship, no mention that the blue baby (who was never even NAMED!) spent a week in the NICU before they happily brought him home at the end.

Interesting production moment (same company that does the Duggars' shows): a horse hitched up a feeding post on the porch is fed a couple cups of kibble by one of the older boys.

Also, nice digs for the honeymoon as well as free digs for the newborn (the green onesie that Kelly packed still had its tags on). Given that Michaella still sews those clown dresses for the 6 younger girls (though 13 year old Carlin - the "Jessa" of the Bates clan - seems to be transitioning out of them), I doubt they even buy new baby clothes. They just had a boy last year and a girl about 2 1/2 years ago.

More later, this is already a bloody novella. :)

Shoka's Understudy said...

I can't believe that TLC took the Duggars to Space Camp to play on the equipment. They, Michelle and JimBob are not going to let their children go on to college and leave the nest. So why are they going to Space Camp? It was heartbreaking to see one of the girls say that none of the them would be an astronaut. That is so sad. What about your DREAMS?? Not every girl wants to be a wife, mommy and popping out babies and have 4 babies within 5 years! Hey, JimBob! They do have pilots out in the mission field. It was even more heartbreaking to see big JimBob on the machine with that stupid look on his face when it started gyrating. It boils me that he gets to go and ride and have a great time, the older daughters are stuck with the babies. Why can't those kids go to a Christian private school like Michelle and JimBob did and play sports? Is it because JimBob is too cheap to pay for the school tuition? Hopefully someone soon will crack and escape. I figure Ginger or JoyAnna will and Amy will help them.

ennvee said...

Forgot to mention, the Duggars' intro at the beginning was hilarious. Best friends? Best friends who hadn't seen each other for 7 years before the Bateses showed up early in the Duggar episodic run?

I imagine the Duggars were going to the Big Sandy conference (for free since their specials started airing...Gothard made it clear that TLC, not he, paid for the new house) and the Bateses, when they could afford it, before they got a free ride (Gil is now a headline speaker), went to Nashville.

I know it's hard to move such a big family, but the Duggars were certainly mobile and moving through the south pretty much at will long before they got the weekly show. And they never stopped by to visit the Bateses? Best friends? Riiiiight.

ennvee said...

Forgot (sorry!) that Zack Bates repeated almost word for word the same meme against video games being a "distraction" that was coincidentally mentioned by Jason (I think) on the Duggar episode tonight.

My parents took away the TV one weekend when I was away in high school, but they forgot the radio (this was before even the walkman!) and video arcades, if I was so inclined. There was one on the way home from school.

I still had time for music, school, church and all the other stuff the Bates family does, save go to the hospital and watch mom have baby #2935.

ennvee said...

Sorry to keep posting on top of my other posts, but I'm picking up stuff on the west coast feed that I missed the first time.

Like Michaella's top fashioned out of a Confederate Flag! I kid you not. I had to rewind half the show to believe it for myself, but I found it. Anyone who recorded, it's at around the 3 minute mark; my DVR doesn't give exact seconds.

After the flak about the Nathan Bedford Forrest picture, you'd think they'd know better. Beyond defacing a flag they apparently revere, that flag is a symbol of hate to the majority of Americans.

Not a good first impression, folks.

Alberta Rose said...

It was a cute show and I'm looking forward to see the series. They're a whole lot different then the Duggars. The family dynamics are different, they're way more musical, and they're more down to earth.

It takes guts for someone in Tennessee to admit you swtiched from home birthing to hospital birthing. Tennessee is infamous for being very home birth friendly.

Anna said...

I was around during the initial scholarship discussion and I heard scholarship not full scholarship. In fact there was a lot of discussion that most music scholarships in fact are not full rides and one reason for not accepting was that they couldn't fund the balance.

nana dear said...

I'm sorry, but I missed some of this information. What 'blue baby' are you talking about?

The older girls are beautiful. I thought they were much more musically talented than the Duggars and had the advantage of of having different instruments at their disposal. (though did see an electric guitar or bass on 19 kids...I was startled!)

I've always liked Kelly in the past but her annoying nervous chuckle after every sentence wore thin. I know she can't help it but it is still kinda creepy; like she's not sure when she will let loose a secret.

mom in texas said...

So much of the same. Its like the Duggars 2.0. Though there is a slight likeable factor about the Bates to a degree. Maybe because the Bates are still fairly new to the television "celebrity" lifestyle.Let's see if the show changes the family. After watching them on the Duggars show nothing seems fresh about the Bates. They may have a decent show if they get some new material.

Sharla said...

This one did not make the top 100 cable shows of the evening.

Jen said...

The new baby on the episode was blue. Kelly mentioned it and he as given some oxygen and he pinked up.

Here is the rest of his story not mentioned on the show. A week long hospital stay according the Gil and Kelly's blog.

http://gilbatesfamily.com/2012/02/17/jebs-journey/

http://gilbatesfamily.com/2012/02/07/baby-19-has-arrived/

imaamy said...

Wow this was dumb of me! My DVR of course didn't record the Bates cause it is only set for Duggars. Will have to catch the repeat and get one of my kids to set it for me:)

Sixpence never the richer said...

During the delivery scene when Gill and the oldest daughter (sorry, I can't spell her name) were kind of play fighting for the phone, I couldn't help but feel a twinge of sympathy for her. She's twenty two and the most exciting part of her life is probably seeing her mother deliver baby after baby. She could be perfectly happy for all we know but I still fill sorry for her.

Angie said...

watched the episode and wasn't impressed at all. The intro made by Jim Bob and Michelle was not necessary, I don't know if them being "best" friends with them would make many people decide to watch a replicate of their show. All the bates singing constantly got old fast. The family is not real different from the Duggars and by the end of the episode I was very bored. I will definitely not be watching any further episodes.

roddma said...

"After the flak about the Nathan Bedford Forrest picture, you'd think they'd know better. Beyond defacing a flag they apparently revere, that flag is a symbol of hate to the majority of Americans. " Without trying to start a debate, it means different things to people. There are minorities who don't see it that way. Misconceptions come from lack of understanding.

I don't really look for the Bateses to last long as the Duggars. The shows get pretty repetitious after awhile and then they start taking trips and product placements.

hart&sole said...

Michaela, and she is perfectly happy. Some people just enjoy holding the baby and sitting on the sidelines.

Nikki said...

In Gothardland, you're not allowed to have "best friends" outside of your sequestered family unit. Oh silly Gothardites, your hypocrisy is shining oh so brightly.

Anna said...

Typical music scholarship at UT:

http://www.music.utk.edu/keyboard/NPSC.html

Stephanie said...

Watching the rerun tonight, Alyssa's violin teacher was playing (very good) and it reminded me of something that one of us speculated at the past couple of years. Duggar older girls are less than average violin players, I hate bluegrass but would rather listen to the Bates average bluegrass gospel than the Duggars below average so-called "classical" music. Anyway, I agree with previous poster that Michelle bartered bad violin lessons in the past and the older girs are responsible for the younger kids in their music. You never see them taking piano, violin, or voice lessons. That's why the Duggars are so terrible. No natural talent + bad teachers = terrible Duggar music. Alyssa lookes exactly like her mom in her mom's old pictures. Gil actually looks better as an older man, Kelly was a beautiful lady (still is) but tough times and stress have taken there toll.

Eula said...

I just caught the Bates show last night, and I was struck by how much more animated the Bates kids are in comparison to the Duggars. I don't know if the Bates are happy or not, but the Duggar kids look so glum most of the time that the difference, at least in the children, is striking.

imaamy said...

They certainly are warmer with the kids than the Duggars, and they are a good looking family, but it appears they get more food than most of the Duggars:)

Elvira said...

I felt kind of a hokie, hay see vibe through the whole episode. Pretending that Jeb didn't have a stint in the NICU was despicably dishonest.

londonbridges said...

I agree that Jeb's NICU stint should have been included. A newborn who spent his first week of life in the NICU needed to be there, and why was that not shown? JMHO

Seriously? said...

Observation: Dimbulb Jimbob points out to the still-somewhat (if God's will isn't totally trusted and, so, supplemented with progesterone)-fecund Bates in front of his -the only thing I have to offer in life is my fertility- wife that 'we are slowing down but YOU (Kelly) are still going strong with having children.

Ouch, eh, Michelle?

Such a golden tongue, that JimBob Duggar.

Wampascat said...

I'm surprised Jim Bob didn't elaborate by blaming Michelle's use of birth control during the first years of their marriage. Oh, and her "baggage" probably has something to do with the fact that they're not conceiving lately. Always the woman's fault. Maybe Jim Bob should have a sperm count done!

Alberta Rose said...

I watched it a second time with my son. One thing I didn't think about is the fact he enjoys Bluegrass music. He's eagerly looking forward to when the entire series runs. He finds the Bates entertaining, unlike the Duggars whom he tends to learn from.