Tuesday, March 27, A Duggar Loss

After announcing they're expecting baby number 20, Michelle and Jim Bob go to what should be an exciting ultrasound appointment to learn the baby's gender. But when a heartbeat can't be detected, how will the family deal with this devastating tragedy?

60 minutes

169 comments:

taurus0385 said...

In a way i wish they wouldnt even show it.

tulip said...

My thought-Now that this episode will be airing when it is, I'm betting an episode announcing Josh & Anna expecting to follow. What better way for The Duggars to come full circle: a life is lost, a new life begins...and life goes on. (I'm one of the ones who definitely thinks Anna IS pregnant)

Wampascat said...

I'm not watching tonight and I won't watch them try to make their dead baby a ratings bonanza next week. So sick of these hypocrites!

Allison said...

This is the season finale, so I'm not sure when there will be an announcement if Anna is pregnant.

heavennoseven said...

I will NOT be watching. I hope they don`t break 1 million viewers. I also hope Anna is not pregnant. Josh doesn`t seem to help much and drags her all across the state. She needs a break.

Mary in Ohio said...

Why does my DVR guide say "Season Premiere" for next week's episode?

tulip said...

Season finale already? Wow, less and less episodes per season...that has to be proof of something. Guess they're already gearing up for summer, with high expectations I'm sure.

Stephanie said...

Here is where Duggar Time is going to bit Jimbob in the butt, and Michelle is the one to suffer for it.

Episode 1 this season, Jimbob announces a family meeting and in his interview he is asked about why it now takes 20 to 30 minutes to get everyone in the living room. Duggar Time has leaked into the home and the kids disrespect Jimbob by not coming to meetings on time. But Jimbob himself has taught them this disrespectful habit. From the preview, they have called everyone down and are waiting and Michelle is sitting there WAITING on half the brood. I don't like Michelle but I felt sorry for her there. There had to be a better way. Maybe Jimbob should have called Jana and said sternly "I want everyone in the living room when we get home. Its an emergency and I am serious, no goofing off" they could have told everyone and let Michelle do what she needed to do. Instead of her sitting there with the little kids saying "is it a boy or a girl?"

ennvee said...

My thought-Now that this episode will be airing when it is, I'm betting an episode announcing Josh & Anna expecting to follow. What better way for The Duggars to come full circle: a life is lost, a new life begins.

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I just said this elsewhere. She can't hide it with a baby on her hip/lap or baggy clothes much longer; she has to be at least 5 months along by now. She was visibly showing two months ago and at the time, I was still in the "she's just trying to keep up with Josh while they eat on the campaign trail." Now, I'm convinced.

Still doesn't make this exploitation of a miscarriage right. I saw the little box on the preview and was absolutely enraged. How dare they put their family through all of that ON CAMERA? Especially after begging for privacy during that "difficult time," as I recall them phrasing it (but yapping out of the other side of their mouths to any media outlet that wanted a quote).

Bottom line, they're hypocrites (surprise). Anything for a buck, eh Jim Bob? So much for "privacy."

I plan to have a bottle of wine ready on the coffee table for this mess.

Human Cult Detector said...

I just want the Duggars gone already. I have no idea when that will happen but it can't come soon enough. Count me out on the Jubilee episode. I hope that it makes ratings drop dead.

RJWife said...

I have a feeling that this might be the beginning of the end of the show. Unless they completly revamp what they do, where they go, actually educate there children, deal with issues that are obvious to viewers that they push aside or ignore, etc. How many times can anyone watch them go to a dentist, doctor appointment, pizza party, etc?! I will save everyone from going on about activities and plots! Scott, if you want to save the show, read this blog, or get working on some new ideas-Fast! JMHO! Wishing everyone a Happy Easter in April also!

Porcupine Pie said...

No, no, NO! To see Michelle carrying the little coffin with the flowers on top, it just felt so wrong! I am, I can't, just......It's so wrong, and the close-up of her crying.......It should be a private moment!

TLC has stooped to a new low and the fame-hungry Duggars should be ashamed of themselves.

mom in texas said...

Great theory. I too am on the speculation bus that Anna is already expecting number 3 but have been at a lost as to why they haven't announced it yet.Your idea puts it in perspective because you know Josh would never be able to keep a secret. Current pictures of Anna show her looking very pregnant.I guess at the request of PR reps they kept it quiet in order not to outshine Jim Bob and Michelle during their time of grieve as well as to tie the pregnancy into Jubilee's passing.

SmokeyKitty said...

You know that the pity party won't stop with the season finale. I anticipate that they will milk the miscarriage in the next season. I'm sure MIchelle will announce another pregnancy soon too, and milk that miscarriage or tragic birth circumstance (like they did with Josie) for what its worth.
Children are just a commodity for the Duggars.

Alberta Rose said...

I'm not watching it. I honestly don't understand the purpose of making it a 60 minute episode or even the main storyline of a 30 minute episode. Every woman deals with a miscarriage in a different way. Some turn to God, some turn away from God. I sincerely hope the reason why the Duggars are allowing this to broadcast is they're so busy helping someone get elected, they're not thinking things through.

ennvee said...

Brought over from the episode thread for discussion where it appears to belong:

I think part of the Duggar contract with TLC is to show their family additions so when she miscarried they had to figure out how to handle that. I would say Jim Bob and Michelle discussed it and felt that since so many women have experienced that hurt that they would show how their family handled it. I think that shows strength and character on their part, not love of money.

They try so very hard not to be judgmental about others yet (and because they put themselves on tv) they are judged very harshly and speculations made from very little information.

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1. Yes, the Duggars are on TV for the "freak factor" of having so many kids. To TLC, their beliefs are really an afterthought. The "discussion" with TLC (who was already on-site) likely went something like:

Jim Bob: "We would really like to honor our lost baby [his words, not mine] with a small funeral service."

TLC: "Sean is already making arrangements for the funeral. We will be filming it."

Jim Bob: "Tell us when, where and give us a rundown of what you want us to do."

I also wonder if they'll show Michelle's face during her entire speech. It's well documented that during the original service that she said she had only "one baby in heaven." Two days later after the recording went viral, it was changed to reflect the first miscarriage as her second baby in heaven. The first was the actual speech she gave at the funeral...at a mega church...so much for privacy. I'm looking for a cutaway to the kids or something as she says the part that was changed.

2. The Duggars are very judgmental. Just by virtue of being evangelical, they believe their lifestyle is the only path to salvation and the rest of us are hell-bound. That's the very definition of judgment. They've also judged kids regarding peer pressure, when they've admitted to peer pressure within ATI in earlier specials. They used to put down "regular families" all the time; their way was always the better one. I could go on, but this is getting long, but I think the point has been made.

londonbridges said...

Count me in the number who won't be viewing this capitalization of a pregnancy loss. There is absolutely NOTHING the Duggars would consider too private or personal to record.

RJWife said...

I can completly see what conversation going down between Scott and Jim Bob as you described! Or, not far off from that!

RJWife said...

I think you guys are right! 1. There is no denying she definitly looks pregnant, if she gained weight, even a lot of weight, it would be going to other places in the body besides just the stomach (baby) area. 2. All pictures or videos she has been seen in recently (except what's on tv on the show, and was shot last year), all clothing is very tight, fits bad, etc. Not to mention she's trying to hide behind people, objects, etc in photos also.
3. I too find it odd that no announcement has been made as of now too! Especially, as we all know how Josh loves to be the first to announce anything, or even just to hear himself talk! I have a feeling Scott, (or perhaps TLC, Jim Bob and Michelle themselves, others involved, etc.) to give Michelle all the attention, sympathy, outpouring of love from the general public, etc that she feels she deserves. Or, they may also be using this as a ploy to boost ratings or other things were unaware of. The Duggars may play it off as we only care about our family, religion, our values, only what really matters in life, but they are just as bad, if not worse (they may be able to get away with it, or with more things due to there wholesome, all American, church going image they made for themselves) then other reality show stars, even ones on TLC. JMHO!

RJWife said...

Don't forget, I'm sure we will hear everyone sing, and play a scratchy song on the violin for us, just one more time for the finale, and our enjoyment! We can't forget that! JMHO!

RJWife said...

Question for everyone: Do you think after this episode airs on Tuesday, that afterwards the Duggars may try to do yet another, "Media Blitz?" Meaning get a story or article in whatever magazine or newspaper that will publish it, Interviews-whether it's talk shows, web blogs, news programs, etc. Most likley it will deal with Jubilee, their loss, how they have coped/moved on, Anna's pregnancy, the upcoming season-to promote it, boost ratings, etc., and of course, as they say to get God's message out to everyone, tell the evils of birth control, who knows what else. I can easily see a Today show interview, and or announcement in the near future too! JMHO! Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Alberta Rose said...

I think part of the Duggar contract with TLC is to show their family additions so when she miscarried they had to figure out how to handle that. I would say Jim Bob and Michelle discussed it and felt that since so many women have experienced that hurt that they would show how their family handled it. I think that shows strength and character on their part, not love of money.

They try so very hard not to be judgmental about others yet (and because they put themselves on tv) they are judged very harshly and speculations made from very little information.

If this episode had aired a week after Jubilee died, I would have sat down and watched it. If TLC had said due to the family's tragic loss, the upcoming season would be postponed or dropped, I would have a great deal of respect for TLC.

Just Me said...

After seeing the preview I also think that there should have been a call ahead to get the older girls to corral the kids. I'm sure that their heads were reeling after hearing the baby had died and so I can't lay too much on Jim Bob. But, they knew that they were going to get them all together once they got home. I am not a big fan of Michelle but I admire her strength to sit there with the little ones. I think I would have hidden in the bathroom until everyone was together.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

If Anna is revealed to be pregnant on the VSE, I guarantee they will be on the talk shows the next day, saying keep watching this summer for updates on our new season. No way that would let that go unexploited.

Cadence said...

I know many are saying they won't watch it, but, I definitely will. I will finally get to see some raw, human emotion on this show that it so desperately needs.

Vera said...

I am still trying to understand how Michelle can have so much more raw emotion for an unborn fetus than for her living children. It just doesn't compute. I guess I have just never witnessed anyone so completely detached from her children as Michelle seems to be.

Kit said...

If this episode had aired a week after Jubilee died, I would have sat down and watched it. If TLC had said due to the family's tragic loss, the upcoming season would be postponed or dropped, I would have a great deal of respect for TLC.

Hmmm...The Duggars have just as much (or more) to do with the disgusting public parade of this miscarriage than TLC. They WANT the publicity so badly, they will film the announcement and the funeral, go on press tours to discuss it in detail, and bring it up in interviews even if it's not the subject. They have become such obvious famewhores that even TLC is trying out substitutes (the Bates), just like they did when Kate Gossselin disintegrated into a complete disaster.

I stopped watching a looooong time ago, but if I hadn't, this would surely have been the final straw for me, and I hope it is for many others. The only thing they "encourage" me to do is change the channel.

nana dear said...

Remember at the end of Kate + Eight when they threw the mommy dearest under the bus as often as possible? I see the same thing happening here. A couple weeks ago a crew member didn't think Duggar time was so charming and threatened to leave. This week we saw poor sportsmanship when Jim Bob shoved his son to score points in a silly game. Next time Michelle is left to flap in the breeze while in emotional shock while the lord and master rounds up the kids for a big TLC announcement. Even my heart broke for her. The best thing that could happen to these kids is to stop the cameras!

tulip said...

Yes-agree! Remember when Josh posted the pic of the family graveside, oh so casually, on Instagram! And he commented he was at the funeral of his "lil sis"? UGH! Could not believe how absolutely insensitive and inappropriate that was, not to mention that was the first time anyone (publicly) would see that pic-over social media. Of course, we won't forget that Cousin Amy tweeted the pic of Jubilee from the front of the funeral program. No way was it her business to do that...just more proof that it's all about drawing attention to themselves, in the name of Fame.

Penny said...

I think the kids taking their time coming downstairs shows how they probably were not that excited about baby #20. Mom has a baby every year, what is there to be excited about.
Josh and Anna waiting to announce Baby #3-It's all about being sold out to TLC. It will be announced when ever TLC films and shows it. Maybe Josh and Anna decided to make the announcement in Florida where both families would be together for Pricalla's wedding.So maybe when they show Pricilla's wedding that will be when the baby announcement will be If it wasn't for the campaigning and Josh's instragram pictures we would have not seen pictures of the supposedly pregnant Anna.

Anonymous said...

I suppose I was the last Duggar fan standing. But, I have finally fallen. Really quite a shame to lose my respect for them. So disheartening. I have always defended them. They were an inspiration to me! But, I just can't look past it anymore. I lost faith after they decided to keep having kids after Josie. Josie was supposed to be the sign from God it was time to stop. How many more children will be born sick or die before Jim Bob leaves that poor woman alone??

Alberta Rose said...

Looks like I'm meant to watch it after all. When my son asked why we weren't going to watch it, I replied "Because I don't want to be reminded of the baby I lost". To which he replied "I thought you said God sent the baby back three years later and it became me. Aren't you happy I returned?"

Alysa said...

After finnaly buckling down and purchasing the whole season on itunes (it is supposed to download the new ones as they air) I am actually excited for this episode... I don't know why. That could definitely change depending on what goes on in this episode... I hope the situation is handled tastefully but with the Duggars, they seem to let it " all hang out" to an extreme that isn't so good... I wonder if she will get pregnant again?

Human Cult Detector said...

I think that if Michelle Duggar gets pregnant after what happened to Jubilee and Josie's premature birth the backlash will be huge. Huge is actually an understatement I think. I predict an Anna pregnancy announcement and then one from Michelle before Summer's ending.

i-like-pie said...

I'm about 18 weeks pregnant and I will not be watching this episode. Maybe I'll catch a rerun some time after my baby is born, but I can't bring myself to watch it.

Also, my husband and I were discussing what we would do, if we were to suffer a miscarriage at this late stage. We both agreed that we would have a private service with just the two of us and our pastor - and my husband was horrified when I told him that the Duggars were televising this private, tragic moment.

Seriously? said...

Exploiting pregnancy and now fetal death for profit. And to think these people consider themselves righteous.

Nauseating.

hello said...

It's bad enough that Jim Boob and Michelle have already exploited their family members by filming Anna giving birth on a toilet, using their cell phones to film their children being hurt, going on TV talk shows to announce pregnancy after pregnancy, etc. Now they seem to think it is ok to exploit a miscarried baby. I don't buy that they are trying to encourage others that have gone through a miscarriage. I think all the "fame" has gone to their heads and will do anything to remain in the spotlight. Their show has run its course and it is time to stop filming them. How many more trips can they show them going on? How many more babies do they need to film being born? I hope Jim Boob was smart enough to save most of the money they earned because I believe the gravy train will come to an end soon. I also hope that money was put aside for each child, because without them there never would have been a show. I wouldn't put it past Jim Bob to somehow have it set up where all the money goes to him and to "encourage" the kids that that is the right thing to do.

Human Cult Detector said...

Sadly, I don't think that any of the kids' money will be used totally to benefit them at all. Think the new amendment that replaced J.O.Y. is M.J.A. which stands for Michelle first, Jimbob second, all others last. Of course, random strangers and all that do not tow Gothards line do not exist at all it seems. All just my opinion of course.

Ellie said...

I cant bring myself to even consider watching this episode. I never wanted to see it, I dont think it should have been filmed, and I really dont think that the Duggars have any place exposing this to the world. Miscarriages are private times. You can talk to friends and family about it, but the rest of the world does not need to know.

Wampascat said...

Those kids won't get any money. That would provide them an escape route. By keeping them uneducated, with no money of their own, they are twenty-somethings who are completely dependent on their parents. While the rest of us are preparing our children to venture out into the world, the Duggar parents continue to clip their children's wings in order to keep them ignorant and subservient. Those kids have given up their childhood and privacy. The parents have reaped all the benefits. The children won't ever see a penny.

Hannah said...

I don`t think they were forced into making it a special. If they just told TLC. Can we please not show any of this footage and just issue a simple press release. When we recover we will film again, if you still want us too.

I know they could of got out of it. If they can say no to flimming kids in the bathroom then they can saw no to this too.


I wonder if she was still pregnant would she be on the bus campaigning? I wouldn`t put it past them.

heavennoseven said...

I saw this clip of crying on the table. How come she let this he shown? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K_DGzqFqZM&feature=related

ennvee said...

Maybe Josh and Anna decided to make the announcement in Florida where both families would be together for Pricalla's wedding.

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I think this could be dead-on. Anna definitely looked pregnant in her bridesmaid dress; the hem was two inches too short in the front (other dresses seemed to fit properly) and her shape in the dress did not match the shape of other women in the wedding party who were also carrying a few (or more) extra lbs.

Astute observation and I'm on board. A recent instagram pic with Michael in a high chair in front of her, hiding most of her lower half reveals enough to show how much weight she's gained since December, when she wore that same shirt in Florida and it looked much baggier on her. It seems to be a "go to" shirt that she's worn throughout the winter, but getting bigger underneath it just the same.

I checked the Today Show for Tuesday: no Duggar announcements; the "new life" angle at the end of the show ends it with "hope" which is about the only way a mess like this can be saved/justified.

Vanessa West said...

Isn't there some kind of law in place that dictates that Jimbob will have to give everyone involved their fair share of their earnings? Including each of the children?

Elvira said...

There is no law in most states directing dispersal of reality show proceeds.

tulip said...

As the leader of the family, Jim Bob is probably stockpiling all the money and making the decisions. Since it's all for one and one for all, I doubt there's any individual trust funds, and of course there aren't any college funds. He has even said on several occasions that it's important for their kids to learn about hard work to make their own living (like you're on your own kids!)
Of course Josh is now making his own money exploiting his own family to keep the gravy train moving and the cash flowing. Although, until the next "live birth" opportunity, he'll make sure to slip in a pity party here and there for the carlot.

Betty said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/03/michelle-duggar-miscarriage-cries-19-kids-counting-video

Stephanie said...

Jimbob and Michelle have often said they don't give their children and I assume their adult children allowances. So I doubt they get any of the TLC paycheck. Where is A Minor Consideration organization that is suppose to advocate child tv actors? Didn't they raise a stink about the Gosselin kids earning money for their tv show? Someone please contact A Minor Consideration regarding the Duggars. And Jimbob is a liar saying they don't have cameras around that much.

ennvee said...

Those kids won't get any money. That would provide them an escape route. By keeping them uneducated, with no money of their own, they are twenty-somethings who are completely dependent on their parents. While the rest of us are preparing our children to venture out into the world, the Duggar parents continue to clip their children's wings in order to keep them ignorant and subservient. Those kids have given up their childhood and privacy. The parents have reaped all the benefits. The children won't ever see a penny.

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Co-signed and even worse, if you're a Duggar boy starting a business or a family, you'll be paying your father or grandmother rent for your commercial property (as Josh and John David do for the property they lease from Jim Bob to run their businesses) and/or your house, as Josh may for the house...I think he may have gotten a quid pro quo there...that place was - as Bette David said - a DUMP when he got it.

The only real way out for the boys is to become a missionary and fly the coop, but then you risk being banished like Anna's brother who dared to go live with his wife's family rather than toe the Gothard party line, which expects sons to continue the father's "ministry" (Gil Bates used almost those exact words during their special). Keeps 'em under the thumb, less likely to discover they've been sold a shoddy bill of goods in life.

Rachel HM said...

I wonder if TLC was hoping this death would be treated (ratings wise) as the death of Captain Phil on Deadliest Catch. However, those were all consenting adults (including Capt Phil, who wanted his "end" filmed). It seems TLC is way off.

It has been obvious that Michelle has little to no power in what is being filmed, and no control over her children. I hope Jim Bob can take a step back and see what is good for his family, but I am not sure narcissists are capable of that!!

Jess from Maine said...

I just want to stay that I don't read this blog anymore because of the negative comments, over and over and over again. Its like I'm hanging out with my mother-in-law! :)

If I've learned anything in my life, its not to judge - and for people to cast such strong judgement against a family they only watch on a strongly edited television show ...

Anti-hypocrisy said...

You felt obliged to say that why? Just continue to stay away if you don't like the conversation IMO.

If the Duggars don't want comments about their lives, they have the solution in their own hands - get off the TV.

Alberta Rose said...

Miscarriage and still birth are things that are still hushed up, and treated as something that should be downplayed. If TLC is going to have shows like A Baby Story, then this is a chance to go public with the private. Some people don't know what to do when they miscarry or how to react to a miscarriage. By the Duggars going public with their miscarriage, it does give people a chance to reflect on how they would handle the situation if it happened to them or someone they know.

Jen said...

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The only real way out for the boys is to become a missionary and fly the coop, but then you risk being banished like Anna's brother who dared to go live with his wife's family rather than toe the Gothard party line, which expects sons to continue the father's "ministry" (Gil Bates used almost those exact words during their special). Keeps 'em under the thumb, less likely to discover they've been sold a shoddy bill of goods in life."
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Would the banished brother of Anna's be the brother so married Candice? josh has a picture up on his instagram of a sister in law Candace who has a touch of pink in her hair. The picture was posted about the same time as Priscilla and David's wedding.

If so then the banishment might have been temporary or an internet rumor? as it appears they were with family and around the time of the wedding.

Jen said...

Here is a link to the picture of Candance I mentioned previously

http://web.stagram.com/p/669637645_5173671

and it looks like here is another one

http://web.stagram.com/p/679936343_5173671

Willow said...

I am going to go ahead and put this under this category due to comments already on here about the children's money, etc.

I just cannot believe that there is no law that allows the adult children to have their money. Even if Jim Bob signed a contract before they reached adult ages, how can he sign something for adults? I mean, wouldn't it be that he could sign for the minors, but after they reached 18 or 21 or whatever, they would have to re-sign for themselves? Does anyone know how that works, or the law in Arkansas or whatever? Didn't Kate Gosselin have to put money away for her minor children?

I am so sorry for their miscarriage, but it seems Michelle is becoming more and more like Kate -- She is just LOVING the limelight and it is less about the kids (although, the kids might like that).

One more thing and then I will stop. I was thinking about the "best friends" issue with the Gothardites. I wonder if the Duggars strictly enforce that, because, we know Michelle still has her best friend, Cindy. They definitely called her that on the show. I wonder how Gothard feels about that.

Cadence said...

"If I've learned anything in my life, its not to judge - and for people to cast such strong judgement against a family they only watch on a strongly edited television show ..."
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Very well put! I'm glad someone else sees more than what the editing creates. Editing is huge. I don't truly know the Duggar family by what tiny part is taken from their lives and thrown into the world of reality TV.

tulip said...

How can there be much of anything positive about The Duggars when they continue to exploit their family and especially the babies and kids that aren't able to have a say, or if they do, it's overlooked for what's ultimately decided by Jim Bob and Michelle. The TLC clip of tonight's episode proves that they have went way beyond anything that could even be considered respectable. Filming the ACTUAL moment they broke the news of the miscarriage to the family? Wow...reprehensible. They didn't bother to even think about the feelings of the rest of the family, kids and whether or not they would want their reaction, for the very first time, to be on camera and broadcast to millions? Maybe some of them wanted it to be private, maybe some wanted a chance to ask questions, or just sit there without feeling the need to respond because there's a camera and microphone overhead. There's a lot of other ways this could have been done if they supposedly want to film reality and "encourage others".

Betty said...

I don't know anyone who "hushes up" miscarriages. Maybe they aren't shouted from the roof tops like the Duggars did most of the time, but many people don't make a public announcement merely because they don't want to have to rehash it with every person that they know.

Betty said...

Just like Kate's sister-in-law, an adult, was on that show without direct compensation so could any number of people be on the Duggar show without direct compensation. The adult children may have chosen to negotiate for a cut or they probably did not want to insult their father. TLC does not often offer to pay people who do not ask unless the person becomes very popular. They do compensate for filming in their homes.

Kate and TLC only set up accounts for the children after they were forced to do so by the state and that only after a big public outcry.

Anti-conspiracy said...

I'd call the alleged banishment an internet exaggeration or interpolation. I read the same facebook accounts that the banishment conspiracy people read and did not find proof of banishment. What I found was that the son was not invited to a Duggar family function to which his parents had also been invited. Not the same thing at all.

ennvee said...

Would the banished brother of Anna's be the brother so married Candice? josh has a picture up on his instagram of a sister in law Candace who has a touch of pink in her hair. The picture was posted about the same time as Priscilla and David's wedding.

If so then the banishment might have been temporary or an internet rumor? as it appears they were with family and around the time of the wedding.

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Both Suze and Daniel said their father had banished them from THEIR family. However, if PRISCILLA wanted her sisters in HER wedding, especially when they know TLC is TAPING the event, what can the Kellers say? Other than not allow Daniel to stand as a groomsman. I saw some wedding pictures of the Kellers and the pariahs were placed far away from the parents (who were flanked by the bride and one of the sons who is still under their thumb).

There are lots of DUGGARS in that wedding; Jana is a bridesmaid and the sister in law, Candice, isn't? That was likely a nod to TLC, as were all the little Duggar flower girls and ring bearers, Josie included.

Just because they were there and had to play nice because of TLC does not mean they are no longer estranged. People show up at family members' weddings all the time to keep the peace.

Also, there is plenty more out there about the Duggars besides this crappy TV show. For instance, Josh is very active in social media and today announced he is a chair member for the Santorum campaign in AR. And with the pics of Anna circulating, I see next season's plot filling out, even if Santorum doesn't get the Repubican nomination. You can also see exactly why he's put on 50 lbs. since they shot these episodes last fall. The kid is using food to fill SOME void in a life TV wants you to think is all sunshine and roses.

I just wonder why he bothers with the car lots if he doesn't ever work there?

Wampascat said...

They aren't showing the miscarriage / funeral episode in order to help people understand how to react or to take any stigma away associated with stillbirth or miscarriage. They are showing this episode in hopes of reviving their failing television show. It's long been evident that the Duggars don't do anything unless they benefit. IMO it's revolting how they'll use any means to accomplish their goal of staying relevant. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Seeker said...

"If I've learned anything in my life, its not to judge - and for people to cast such strong judgement against a family they only watch on a strongly edited television show ..." -----------------------

I have a "thing" about the do not judge attitude. The Bible also says to use discernment. It also says if your brother is following the wrong path, one is to help him back to the truth and the way. Further, people are to accept reproof. That means someone has to be doing the reproving.

It seems to me the Duggars are following Gothard (who to most Christians has some very misbegotten non-Biblical beliefs and attitudes going), therefore it also seems to me to be someone's Christian duty to point out Gothard's errors.

At this point I'll admit, I'm not sure where that line is on judging and reproving and discernment. However, nowhere does the Bible say we are to merrily accept error and smile at it. I think what we are not to do is judge what is in someone's heart. That I have not done. But if we think someone is misguided or operating under fallacious principles, it would not be right to simply accept that. There are literally centuries of church history to back up the position that we are not to blindly accept heresy.

Seeker said...

Further, it occurs to me that if do not judge means to someone to not say negative things about other people, then why come here to say negative things about us? Do not judge us either then, please.

sandi said...

Michelle does have some editing power,doesn't she? I recall she was talking about not knowing what happened to the ribbons she uses at Christmas,until she noticed in editing that the younger kids had taken it to use outside for kite string or something.So although they may not have complete control over what it shown,it does sound like they have some power,unless she was just there to make sure too much mommy skin wasn't shown.just a thought.

Jen said...

Still seems that is if it is come place to be banished from Gothard families for not following Gothard rules, one would attend or be allowed to attend a wedding where Gothard not only attended the wedding but did the sermon during the wedding.

tulip said...

Josh and his social media is definitely his selfish way of putting himself even more out in the "mainstream", and probably all for his grandiose dreams of getting into politics. Any Gothard followers, or friends of the family, are not going to find entertainment in following his food pics, not to mention, who of their "community" even has social media-let alone a computer-unless it's intensely protected, used with a chaperone or for homeschooling? Even Michelle once clarified (about a year ago) that none of their children LIVING AT HOME have their own (or allowed to) use of Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Josh recently posted a quote from Tori Spelling about her family and having children...who in Gothardland even knows who Tori is, or is allowed to? Isn't that "worldly"?

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Wampascat said...

They aren't showing the miscarriage / funeral episode in order to help people understand how to react or to take any stigma away associated with stillbirth or miscarriage. They are showing this episode in hopes of reviving their failing television show. It's long been evident that the Duggars don't do anything unless they benefit. IMO it's revolting how they'll use any means to accomplish their goal of staying relevant. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

3/27/2012 2:30 PM
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I totally agree with you. What kind of parents think it's okay to have a camera crew filming while they are telling their kids that mom had a miscarriage? I am guessing the cameras were there to film them telling the kids if they were having a brother or sister. If that was the case, the decent thing to do would have been to tell the camera crew that they needed some privacy alone with their kids and that they didn't want to be filmed. This proves to me that Jim Boob and Michelle will do anything to stay in the public eye. I have a feeling that their 15 minutes of fame are up. There are only so many field trips that they can film them going on.

Human Cult Detector said...

I couldn't have put it better myself Seeker. If the Duggars do not want anything said about them that is negative then they should not be in the public eye. Yet, they shove themselves onto reality TV, talk/news shows, and now into supporting a candidate in a national election. They are not leaving the public alone so I will not leave them alone.

About the episode, I don't have the guts to watch. So, for someone that does, feel free to tell all about your observations for me to read.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

So John David wanted the baby named Jefferson Davis (president of the Confederacy)? That would have been a great friend for Nathan (Bedford) and Jeb (Stuart) Bates. I suppose it's all a co-incidence though.

I can't even comment on the maudlin preying on peoples' feelings throughout this episode in decent language.

Rainbow68 said...

Well, it's over. It was better than I expected. I am ambivalent about some parts. First of all, it showed Michelle exercising and taking her vitamins. She truly did everything she could to give Jubilee a fighting chance, although some would argue that her body is at the point that she should've quit after Josie. Next, was one of the most touching parts of the show. Michelle and Jana took Josie back to the Children's Hospital for the personnel to get to see her. She's come very far and it was neat to see. Next, was Jim Bob and Michelle meeting with the kids to give name suggestions. Ok. The next day, Jim Bob and Michelle went to the ultrasound center. The plan was that the camerman would find out the baby's gender and keep it a secret for all of them to find out later. The ultrasound technician knew immediately that something was wrong. She told them that she didn't see a heartbeat. Michelle said something like, "Ohhhh.." She quoted Job "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away..." She and Jim Bob prayed. None of it seemed contrived to me. There feelings were raw and genuine. They got home and gathered the kids to tell them. Jill seemed to take it personally and even felt she may have borne some responsibility that Jubilee died, as she was monitoring the pregnancy. I'm hoping the parents will address/correct this. The service was tastefully done. At the cemetary though was the only scene where I really struggled: Michelle carried the tiny casket, ok. They placed the casket in a metal box, ok - a little too much reality and earthiness to me, but ok. Then, Jim Bob placed the box in the hole. Then the boys carried shovelfulls of dirt and poured them on top of the box. Even Jackson. I thought that may be traumatic for them, but that may just be me. Jill sat and looked crushed. I also worry about the shallowness of the hole, obsessed fan, etc. Perhaps they won't erect a tombstone to alert any creeps where she's buried. All in all, if you're going to have a show like this, it was respectful.

Wampascat said...

It was a military ammunition box. I did a double take on that. Wow.

Alysa said...

I am eagerly waiting for this one to be posted to itunes... anyone know how long it may take?

Hannah said...

Poor Jill. I didn`t watch. Is Anna pregnant?

Wampascat said...

I happened to catch the last few minutes waiting for The Little Couple. Wish I hadn't seen that much. Could they have otten a closer shot of Michelle crying? And the ammunition box? Really?

Mary in Ohio said...

Although it was tastefully done, I kept watching it unfold while thinking, 'I shouldn't be seeing this...this should be private." SMH.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I don't think they said Anna is pregnant but then I had to mute at least half of the show because it is mostly a Michelle baby voice talking head for the whole episode.

AtomicKittenComics said...

I almost got a bit teary eyed at the segment that showed the funeral, until I saw them place the little casket into an ammunition box. Then I yelled "Really?". Of all the strange ways to "honor" a child, putting their remains into an army surplus find seems awfully odd.

tulip said...

What an absolutely awkward situation...during "the moment", where they all realized there wasn't a heartbeat, who/how was it decided to keep the camera rolling? If it were me filming, I would have cut and carefully left the the room, unless someone told me not to...

Sharla said...

Dear anonymous, your snarking at the commenters is rude and will not go through.

Human Cult Detector said...

I'm glad that I stayed away from this finale. I just checked Josh and Anna's site (supposedly the site said it was updated on the seventh of this month) and there's not mention of another baby on the way.

Either way, I hope that when the inevitable announcement of Duggar baby 22 or whatever number the next one will be comes, this kind of episode never happens again.

Sharla said...

I'm sure you can find a way to both use a screen name and disagree without being disagreeable or leave the URL of this blog.

Wampascat said...

Just wondering if Josh and Anna were shown in this episode?

Vanessa West said...

I saw Josh and Anna briefly at the funeral. They were not featured, however.

Susan said...

I went into this episode with a negative attitude. What I saw completely changed my opinion. The scene of Michelle and Jim Bob's realization that the baby was no longer alive was one of the most transparent and raw things I have ever witnessed. The scene of them crying and praying felt very intimate. It was as if no one else was there except them and God.

I felt the same way when Michelle shared what it was like for her during the three day waiting period before the baby was born.

In my opinion, Michelle did a very brave thing to let the public see her and the family go through the whole grieving process, and I think other grieving parents might be helped by watching this episode.

This is the first time I have posted on this site. I am not a Duggar fan, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due.

Rita said...

I've never gone through a miscarriage, so I can't say from personal experience what a parent feels in that situation. However, as a mom, I can only imagine the hurt, disappointment ... maybe even guilt. Who can say? I'm sure each case is different. But, the reason I'm chiming in is because I thought the whole funeral thing was a bit much.

This is only my opinion and to each his own, but I could see them doing all of that for a child who had been born and lived to be 19 weeks old. But, for a miscarriage, it just seemed to be a bit much. Perhaps even if they had held a small, private memorial service, I could understand that a little better. But a big service in a huge church?? And putting it on television? Come on ...

I know it's their choice to do what they want to do and how they do it. I'm just chiming in w/ my own personal opinion. It just seemed odd to me.

tulip said...

Raw, transparent emotion, genuine, etc., etc.-but again-was there a cut in filming, or did the cameraman not miss a beat? Just wondering how this whole "reality TV" works...sign your life away to the camera no matter what as soon as someone calls "Roll Film"?

ennvee said...

Michelle and Jana took Josie back to the Children's Hospital for the personnel to get to see her. She's come very far and it was neat to see. Next, was Jim Bob and Michelle meeting with the kids to give name suggestions. Ok. The next day, Jim Bob and Michelle went to the ultrasound center.

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The appointment in Little Rock was filmed in October; they showed Jana, Josie and one of the J-Boys (sorry, can't remember which) leaving because Michelle was going to visit her friend who has a son the same age as aforementioned J-boy, a scheduled appt. at the hospital for Josie AND a speaking engagement, which was shown on that episode. The camera crew was there, and if not for what happened, this footage would never have seen the light of day.

I think there was something fishy about both the ultrasound and how the family was told. Jill had been monitoring everything: why wasn't SHE there? It's usually the entire brood, actually. I think they did two shootings that day; yes, we saw some real footage, but WHY didn't they kick the camera crew out to grieve privately? Because they already knew and likely had told the kids. Also, the name "Caleb," which has never been revealed at the thousand stump speeches the Duggars have given re: "The Pill Caused My Miscarriage." A name would have given their story more power, but it only shows up NOW, 22 years later?

I think some of the older daughters were at the initial appointment; both Jill and Jinger looked absolutely WRECKED before the "official announceent (granted, I saw a "spoiler" of that scene earlier today so had more time to analyze it).

I HATE that they exploited the kids, and cried. For JILL. The poor girl looked as if she was blaming herself for doing something wrong, when in truth, she really hasn't been trained to do much of anything more than Michelle knows to do w/r/t pre-natal care.

I'm surprised they didn't end with an announcement for Anna, but forgot they'd have to put up a black screen at the end. Can't be right all the time. :D

ennvee said...

Also another anomaly from the ultrasound scene. Dr. Sarver is their OB. The other doctor in the practice (you could see it on the door as they entered the office) is a man.

Ultrasounds, especially those when the fetus has expired, must be verified by a doctor. As far I could tell, the woman was a technician. I've had two miscarriages and the doctor had to confirm them, although IIRC, the tech did indicate there could be issues and had to have the doctor double-check.

I don't know why Michelle's appointment would have been different; Dr. Sarver, or the other doctor in the office, has to officially confirm the tech's suspicions, although man, poor Jubilee's brain looked swollen and filled with weird fluid or something. I'm not a tech and could tell something was wrong. :(

Stephanie said...

It was much more moving than I expected. We did not see the big screen tvs at the church nor did we see the family standing around the casket on display and that is what I was dreading. Michelles last days with her baby inside her I thought were very heartfelt, like she only had her with her physically for a few more moments, instead of wanting it out of her. I totally understand. My twins were born 9 weeks early and I felt so empty inside after they were born and in the NICU. Duggar Time as expected was extra insensitive and the entire family needs to work on that. I am glad Josh kept his mouth shut. I liked Jimbob giving each and every baby a kiss. Not that they love their children more than the rest of us. I think that is the general vibe they give off that rubs us the wrong way. All things considered Grade B-

Human Cult Detector said...

Okay, I was lurking over at another site (television without pity). I didn't watch the episode but those on that site that did are crying foul about the ultrasound tech telling that the baby had died. I don't know what the rules on that are but why wasn't it a doctor that told Jimbob and Michelle? Why wasn't a doctor at least called in and the crew asked to leave the room? I just thought of these from reading others' comments. Does anyone want to weigh in?

Stephanie said...

I like Jefferson, I wish he hadn't said Jefferson Davis. On the flip side we do do have William Jefferson Clinton and Thomas Jefferson but of course their education points towards the negative.

ClosetDFan said...

I too would have wanted to have some private time following the technitians findings. However I am glad that there was no cameras rolling for the three days that Michelle was grieving and preparing herself for what she was going to go through. Labour is difficult enough, yet to deliver a child that will never live, could only be at best heart breaking. Devastating is more like it. To have this episode was maybe a bit much, it was however very real, recently there seems to be some of that lacking. I felt terrible for Jill who seemed to be the most upset of the children, I wanted someone to hold her. I hope that she and Michelle have had time alone so that she can be comforted and repetely told, "this is not your fault". Death of any magnitude is difficult for an adult to understand, let alone a teenage/young adult girl.

Teresa said...

I think i must be one of the few that thinks the episode was fake and phony. Michelle kept drying her eyes, but i only saw a few tears. I think it was staged.

momof4 said...

I have been a duggar fan for years...but I am DONE. They seem like media savy opportunists now. If it weren't for that show, they would be destitute! Last night seemed very fake and put on for the cameras.

mom in texas said...

We all have our own opinions in regards to the Duggars but their pain in this episode was extremely real. Seeing how sad the children and mourners were over the death of Jubilee was heartbreaking. Having lost my first daughter at 25 weeks I felt the pain that is hard for many to understand. The episode showed the situation in an appropriate light.

Josie singing at the beginning was cute. She a very active little girl.

Jen said...

I personally do not agree with the Duggars but will say this: The episode was handled with so much grace I'm happy I saw this.
It's reality TV; this is their reality.
Its not my reality but an other perspective. I was cool with it.

Alberta Rose said...

That's going to be a lot of help for couples who don't know what to do. I wish my husband and I had dealt with things right then and there. It might have made a difference. Also, they didn't lash out at God, they forgave and accepted. The episode also opened a dialogue with my son about how although I had one miscarriage, it was his father's fourth, because he'd had three in his first marriage. His father never gave up or lost faith that he would become a father.

I also thought it was very kind and thoughtful of them to have a funeral. It gave other women of the community who had a miscarriage and buried the feelings a chance to connect and reach out to each other. I'm sure too I wasn't the only mother who used this as a chance to have a dialogue with their child or children about what a miscarriage is about. If we teach children about how babies are conceived, the choices for family planning, how babies are born, we also need to teach them about what to do when things don't go as planned, such as miscarriage or premature birth. Knowledge is power. I no longer think less of the Duggars for what they have shared, I think more of them for helping famlies.

Devil's Advocate said...

Gentle reminder to remember that this show is EDITED. I don't recall the tech telling Mr. and Mrs. Duggar the baby was dead, just that she didn't see a hearbeat or a moving heart. For all we know, Dr. Sarver or some other doctor came in and verified the death and it was either off camera or just not edited in.

On another note, IF Anna is pregnant, my bet is that either the announcement and/or footage will be the focus of next season... OR, maybe the infamous red door has something to do with Josh and Anna getting their own special/episode block/show.

Stephanie said...

Yes I would have thought a tech would call in a doctor for a death confirmation. Michelle said "There's no heartbeat". Usually they all go see the ultrasound. Do you all think they already knew the baby had passed and that appointment was for the cameras?

Vera said...

I don't usually watch the show anymore but made an exception for this episode.

It seemed to me that there was a lot of genuine, raw emotion in this episode. I believe the grief that Michelle and Jim Bob felt was real but I also believe that for Michelle is was more about her possible inability to carry a pregnancy. Considering that her primary, if not sole, function for the last twenty-some-odd years has been to carry and nurse babies, it's not surprising. I think a big part of Jim Bob's emotions stemmed from his love for Michelle and his pain at her grief. That is one thing I believe cannot be denied...he truly loves her.

At the same time it seemed a little over the top. I miscarried at almost 12 weeks so I know the grief that accompanies miscarriage BUT I didn't have 19 other children either. I also didn't characterize it as a tragedy. Losing your child to a disease or accident is a tragedy. Miscarriage occurs in one out of four known pregnancies. It's painful and heartbreaking but it happens. And in their case, they don't have to wonder if they will ever have children...which is what I did and many others are still struggling with.

Finally, I think they way they handled the filming and letting the family know was PATHETIC! They should have given grandma the heads-up on the way home. Gathering all the children together like that and filming their raw emotion was just cruel in my opinion. I think it is interesting that Duggar Time backfired on them in this instance. But hey, they have taught their children, by word and action, that disrespecting others' time is perfectly okay when you're a Duggar.

I do think they showed grace in accepting their loss without blaming God or anything like that. I just hope there is no subtle blame toward any of the children...like Jill (she's probably wracked already) or Josiah (God is punishing us because of your disobedience or whatever).

tulip said...

I agree, something odd stands out with the fact that the technician is the bearer of the news-even when you're having a routine ultrasound, the technician isn't supposed to say anything related to development or anything else that might be noticed, only gender info.; the Dr. would have definitely been called in at that point (especially for a pregnancy that far along.) Not to mention, I just find it really hard to believe the cameraman just kept filming without so much as a pause, or question like "do you want me to keep the camera on?"

Ammo box? Shovels of dirt? I would have kept the actual burial for the parents-I can see why Jim Bob and Michelle may have wanted to do that, but the kids? Why not just have each place a flower with the casket or something less graphic. In my mind, a child being involved with all those kinds of details for his/her miscarried baby sister is emotionally graphic.

BTW, "2 babies in heaven"? Didn't that start after the fact? Meaning, after the controversy surrounding Michelle's letter to Jubilee when she mentioned 1 in heaven, and then edited to say 2 in heaven; was the episode then edited to say "2 in heaven"?

mom in texas said...

As some posters have pointed out some of the scenes did look a bit edited or maybe refilmed. Although, as I said in a previous comment, the emotion felt in this episode seems so genuine, I do feel there were some things edited. Perhaps cameras weren't rolling when certain scenes initially took place. I too found it odd that the ultrasound tech was sharing the news of "no hearbeat" with the Duggars and not Dr. Sarver. It was done so flat, "Sorry, there is no heartbeat". Maybe the doctor had already examined Michelle and sent her over to the ultrasound tech for confirmation of the possibility of the baby having being miscarried. I believe I remember reading that Jill had been monitering the pregnancy and suspected that something wasn't right so this may not have been a total surprise. I also noticed that some of the older girls (Jana, Jill, and maybe Jinger) all seemed less than shocked when the announcement was made. Maybe Jim Bob and Michelle had called them before returning home? All in all though the episode was not at all what I expected. Very tasteful. I admit I cried understanding their pain.

MandySue said...

Alberta Rose said...

Also, they didn't lash out at God, they forgave and accepted.

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Who needed to be forgiven? Michelle? Jill? The doctor?

It happened. I am sorry it happened but it wasn't any persons fault.

I live not far from them and it wasn't an open invitation for whoever to come. They did not reach out to the community to "help" or "encourage" those who had miscarriages.

mk said...

I cried when they were at the ultrasound and Michelle looked up at the sonographer with a big, excited smile that froze as she processed that the woman had told her there was no heartbeat.

I don't think they should have shown them telling the kids and Grandma. They should have appreciated that they might want to have a private reaction without thinking about the cameras.

Mindy said...

As someone who has suffered two miscarriages that were detected in late 1st trimester ultrasounds, it was as if I was watching myself throughout the episode. The grief is unimaginable and Michelle portrayed that. My heart went out to her. I do feel though that she/Jim Bob knew something was wrong when they were doing the naming segment because she looked "off". There is much we did not see that went on between that ultrasound and the announcement to the children in terms of a doctor's appointment, I can assure you of that! Overall, I was shocked to see such raw emotion from the Duggars.

Jen said...

I think that what a ultrasound technician is able to say might be regional. At all my ultrasounds, routine and non routine the ultrasound technician was the one that told us the news, even when we miscarried a baby. We always knew the results before the doctor did.

From my experience, it does not seem odd or out of place that the technician and not the doc told them the news.

I can see how others who have had a different experience might see it as fake or staged.

Sharla said...

1.741 million viewers.

Hannah said...

Great, I was hoping they wouldn`t hit so high in ratings.

Mommyofthree said...

I don't think I will be watching for their next season, especially after Michelle's miscarriage and all they went through with Josie.

I really respect them, but I'm done! I can't watch them even try to bring another baby in this world. It's their life, but after all I've observed...I just don't get WHY they would continue having children? She and Jim bob are at that age to hang up their having baby days and just enjoy their grandchildren. What is she were to die in childbirth?? She's already came close having Josie.

Just my two cents....I'm all Duggar'ed out!!!!

Cherry Rose said...

The Duggars lost perspective when the attention and money came rolling in as they had more and more children. Now they are stuck finding a way to pay for said children and Jim Bob certainly doesn't want to start working like a normal Dad after making so much money just being on TV. He would make much less money for doing something so much harder. While the family has lived on TLC money, he has been able to claim that he "invests," and "buys used, saves the difference," etc. They have a lot of child rearing ahead and they are not even preparing their children to make it on their own. They have far too many children to set them up like they have Josh and Anna. By the time they get to, say, Jason or Justin, there will be no way to give them a car lot or to ask TLC to sell excitement over their 93rd grandchild or whatever. They are in a big financial mess if they don't keep selling their private moments under the guise of "we are helping others by showing them our experiences."

tulip said...

I'm definitely in agreement with Michelle needing to come to terms with being past the baby-making days. Her very own life was in danger with Josie, and though she argues that she had preeclampsia with John and Jana, and anyone's life could be in danger with any baby, she's in her mid-40s with now 19 kids, and 2 grandkids. IMO, at this point, it would be much more of an "encouragement" showing her being a mother to the little kids (which she still has plenty of that need to be raised, schooled, etc.) and being shown in the role of a Christian grandparent.

Cherry Rose said...

I understand they felt it necessary (for a price)to share their overwhelming grief over Jubilee's passing. The fact that they tried to not so much as even count "Caleb" until they were called out on it makes it seem a little, well, insincere, to me.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Does anyone else think that Michelle's 3 tops in rotation (aqua, blue and coral), with normal washing, must be close to a ragbag state by now? (especially the blue one she wears to match JimBob)

tulip said...

I believe all 3 tops are actually maternity shirts, and she wears them unbuttoned over another shirt when she "dresses up". We'll see if her style changes for next season since she's recently seemed to ditch the long, matronly skirts for shorter knee length skirts with black tights. Who knows why this trend started (odd)-maybe she's accepted that she may not be needing maternity wear anymore.

imaamy said...

Did anyone notice when Michelle was interviewed, she called Jim Bob, "Daddy" whereas she usually uses his given name when talking to the cameras, not to the kids?

Also about the shirt rotation, maybe she has grandma in the laundry room doing an extra load with Woolite and cold water to preserve them!

Ally said...

I think I missed something somewhere. What exactly is the red door everyone is talking about?

Shannon said...

I've only watched two epidosdes this season, one that exploited a girl who was dying of cancer and the second (I caught the rerun tonight) about the loss of the pregnancy. Both dealt with very sad subjects, but the family itself was the saddest spectacle of all: Nothing is sacred or private to them now. What's next? Keep the cameras rolling during Mr. and Mrs. Duggar's attempt at yet another conception? They could play "Yes, Jesus Loves Me" in the background.

I remember viewing the first special (14 kids then, I think) and finding it kind of interesting. I was genuinely impressed by the way they managed financially, back when all of them were crammed into a fairly small house. My, how times have changed.

The younger children, who have grown up with a film crew in their midst, seem bratty and jaded. The older Duggar kids look clinically depressed. I'm seriously worried about them. Mrs. Duggar is perpetually glassy-eyed. I can't help but wonder if she is consuming handfuls of valium each day... and one more of those fake "hearty" laughs from Jim Bob will send me over the edge. The series needs to end right now. I hope there is enough money left to pay for all of the counseling sessions those poor children are going to need.

UGH, REALLY??!!! said...

Jefferson…DAVIS??? REALLY?! What do the History lessons look like in that house?!

Pre-empting doubts about wisdom of further pregnancies by talking about Josie’s s successful struggle” (from October, no less) in response to questions about the wisdom of further pregnancies? REALLY??? Seems to only show the child pays the price for higher risks taken against biology and medicine.

Tech confirming death? REALLY?! Maybe “not seeing the heartbeat speaks for itself but wasn’t officially an announcement/confirmation of death, which the doc did without cameras. Either way, I would have asked for the cams be shut off, reality or not. HUMAN comes first.

Telling all the kids at once? REALLY?! Older/younger needed different announcement approach, or how about at least calling G’ma since she’s an adult who can round them up to brace some and quiet others before they get there?

Service at a megachurch they don’t even attend? REALLY?! Wonder if they show up to services honoring OTHERS’ miscarriages.

Ammunitions box? REALLY?!!!! Not understanding the purpose here. Really not.

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I withheld comment until I saw the final episode despite cringing at how they exploited its content all “season”. I’ll never judge the level of mourning for a miscarriage, but I do deem it:

- Classless (showing so much privacy on tv rather than have a black screen sensitively explaining the events with MINIMAL clips).

- Fame-seeking (megachurch that isn’t theirs)


- Agenda-driven (health efforts, Josie’s experience, the grandiose celebration of “life”, etc.)

Rainbow68 said...

My kids and I have been watching "Newhart", a show that aired in the 1980s for 8 years. We watch it after school. It was a great show, but by the last season they were clearly out of ideas and the show had run its course. The Duggars have been on tv in some form since 2004. That's quite a run. Maybe some who have Duggar burnout are just ready for something new. I really would like to continue to see how the Duggars are doing in the form of maybe 3-4 one hour episodes a year. That way, the shows would be better quality and more interesting.

imaamy said...

They shot promos for the next season/shows where the family is standing in the living room and there is a mysterious red door in the room. They are talking about walking through or what is behind the door or something like that. There was either a video or Josh' instagram pics of the promo shot.

Andrea said...

1.741 million viewers - really? It's just plain sickening to think TLC and Jim Bob profited off this event. It's just tragic and even more of a reason to not watch in future. I haven’t watched since number 20 was announced, but did follow Josie progress with interest. It’s becoming increasingly clear that the Duggar’s represent the worst that is American television.

JSimpsonLachey said...

Is there a way to watch this episode online? I've looked and can't find anything. Thanks in advance! :)

Wampascat said...

I saw the red door promo in a link on here a couple weeks ago. I think it was originally on Josh's instagram account. It just shows a red door in the middle of the living room. I think Michelle was standing beside it. Probably some foolishness they cooked up to keep people interested in watching .

elaine said...

I only saw the aftermath of the ultrasound appt - when they were crying in the office and then when they gathered everyone at home.
I'm not exactly a religious person, so I've never understood the "God giveth and taketh away" or thanking God when something bad happens, so that part bothered me, but that's only because I claim ignorance when it comes to religion and I'm aware of that.
As far as the tech telling the family - I think in the state I'm in, death in any form needs to be notified by a licensed physician. You can look up the scope of practice for an ultrasound tech in the state of Arkansas and it will tell you (I'm too tired, otherwise I'd look and post!)
I thought telling the family like that was kind of harsh...Maybe it would've made more sense to tell the older kids (the ones who might've been able to process it better and understand it more) together and then gather the younger ones to tell them? I don't know, but I've also never suffered a miscarriage or ever been pregnant, so I can only imagine those feelings. And poor Michelle waiting and waiting while being asked "is it a boy? or a girl?" That was pretty sad. And Jill looked so devastated. I agree with the others who have said it would be a good idea for her and Michelle to have a private talk to get those feelings out there and for her to know that she is NO way at fault. Poor Jill.
I haven't watched any of this season of the Duggars, but I've been reading this blog to keep up! It doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much...

tulip said...

1.7 million? Wonder if that's a new record of viewers for an episode? What a spectacle. I've got to agree about how out of place the megachurch was. The Duggars have always, since day one, been of the mindset of the small, family-type home church fellowship. And IMO a memorial for a miscarried baby would be more for the family themselves, not everybody and their brother down the road. I guess they wanted so many people involved for support, but I still don't get the megachurch gathering-it doesn't fit with how they've always done things.

Sharla said...

Not a record except as the high for this season. The Duggars are into last or next to last season ratings. They were just above a million to below a million per episode for the rest of this season.

The Roloffs (expensive) were cancelled with much higher ratings while the Jones family (much cheaper) were cancelled with somewhat lower (200K) ratings.

Andrea said...

Sharla what do you mean that the Roloff's were expensive and the Jones were cheap? Do you mean in term of production cost for TLC? I would think all these types of shows would cost about the same - little. It seems like a pretty small crew. Thoughts?

Sharla said...

Yes, the cost of production. Each year the cast and crew expect raises so the older the show the more it will cost. The Roloffs negotiated for/insisted upon some very expensive foreign travel. The Jones family only made it out of Texas once I think. Many of the Roloff adventures were complex and pricey while the Jones projects were kept much lower scale. It was an example that the cost of production plays into the decision on how low viewership can drop before the show becomes unacceptable to TLC.

Seriously? said...

Suggested title for this exploitative melodramatic episode: "Michelle Milks It. Again."

Honestly, the woman ekes out tears over alcohol sales, too, so her dramatics seem meaningless - dead fetus or alcohol availability: all on the same level in Duggarville.

FloridaMom_1026 said...

I can't imagine why the Duggars decided to publicize the loss of their child, much less have an open casket. I did not watch the episode (I no longer have cable) but I had read about it a few months ago when they went public. I sympathize with Michelle as I miscarried my son at 16 weeks, last May. I went for a routine visit and they found no heartbeat. It is the most awful, heartbreaking experience. However, I think they should have dealt with their grief privately rather than hyping it up for ratings. They are capitalizing on their daughter's death and that is just wrong.

Porcupine Pie said...

I think it spoke volumes when JimBob went to each of his children and kissed and hugged them after telling them of the loss. Michelle was just sitting there, no one was at least hugging her?

I call B.S. on this whole thing, it seemed contrived and re-created. Michelle should win an Emmy for her performance. To have such a private moment televised...... Disgraceful.

How many of us here has a miscarriage? I did and we didn't have a funeral or a big to-do. Now I feel like a crappy mom because I didn't do all that. Oh yeah, I'm just a regular person.

And BTW, the ammunition box was extremely TACKY. The Duggars are gone from my DVR. I wish the kids a happy and productive life, but please go away now!

sandi said...

Yes,I find it odd as well, that Michelle can eek out big crocodile tears for a miscarriage (that she blames on the pill,no less) that happened over 20 yrs ago.Yet she doesn't even bother to mention that same loss in the very first letter to Jubilee.Only when it was redone did she bother to include the first loss in the total count of babies in heaven.As always,JMO.

Katydid said...

I had DVR'd it and had just watched it today. I felt like the US part was staged, partly. Which with editing, it could have been. It seemed like Michelle was making alot of it about her. I thought the part when they told everyone at the same time, including grandma, on camera, no less, was awful!

sandi said...

I'm confused about the ammo box as well..was it supposed to be some sort of political statement? It certainly appears the letter to Jubilee was. any thoughts? I don't get it.

Vera said...

I thought it was pretty telling as well when Jim Bob kissed or ruffled the hair of each child to comfort them and meanwhile not one of the children went to comfort Michelle.

She just comes off as one of those "mothers" who put their wants over their childrens' needs. The only difference is that her want is more pregnancies, deliveries, and newborns...notice I didn't say children. I still wonder if her grief over Jubilee wasn't more in relation to her possible loss of childbearing ability than the actual child...which would not bode well for her future mental status.

Wampascat said...

I don't think the ammox box was a political statement. It was Jim Bob being cheap! He'll buy buses and big pieces of machinery to play with all day long, yet his blessing doesn't deserve a proper vault to go into the ground. Just another reason to sneer in disgust at these frauds.

Matt said...

My biggest issue with the episode was them sitting around while waiting to gather the family. Just such a heart breaking scene.

I'm sure Jim bob and michelle had a billion thoughts and emotions going through their heads, so I can't fault them too much on not thinking to call ahead and get the family gathered before they got home.

But what about the production people that were there? They're all familiar with "duggar time". Surely one of them would have thought about calling ahead and getting the family gathered before they got home.

Katydid said...

Wow vera, I never thought until I read your post how none of the children went to comfort her..

Penny said...

Looks like what Josh and Anna do, then Jim Bob and Michelle do it.
First the kissing-I may be wrong about the kissing because I did not watch when it was 17 kids and
counting. To me, it seemed once they show Josh and Anna kissing, then we keep seeing Jim Bob and Michelle kissing. Now we very seldom see Josh and Anna kissing.
Second-Anna used to call Josh-sweetie. When Michelle was alone in Little Rock, Jim Bob called her on her cell phone and she answered-hello sweetie. Have not heard Anna call Josh sweetie since.
Third-Josh and Anna find out the gender of baby #1 on the today show. Jim Bob and Michelle found the gender of Josie right before her emergency birth. Couldn't they have found out the sex earlier-were they going to do something to follow suit with Josh and Anna?
Josh and Anna baby #2-they do not find out the sex-let Michelle find out so they can all find out together. No more living frugal, Michelle or should I say TLC hires a skywriter to show sex symbol. So for baby #20, Jim Bob and Michelle were going to let the soundman find out the sex and have everyone find out together. They were probably going to do something over the top to outshine the skywriting.

RJWife said...

I noticed Michelle has the same behavior my husbands cousin does, they both have or in his cousins case, takes in babies, by the time they are around preschool age, is uninterested in the child anymore (or in Michelles case 1 or 2 at most), and want the next baby, it's like an adult playing with dolls, only these are real humans with emotions, feelings, etc and you can't put them away when your done with them, or give them to a friend. I managed to have one child, I wasn't supposed to have any, I almost lost my son several times during the pregnancy, both my husband and me cherish every moment with him! I wish they would do the same with there children! Otherwise, as some have predicted, I think we will get a girl most likley, who has got fed up with the whole act and leave. (possibly writing a tell all book or paid tell all interviews) JMHO! Have a great weekend everyone!

nana dear said...

It has been said before that the show's producer monitors the blogs. I suspect that what we saw was a completely re-edited show and that is why it took so long to get it on the air.
The service looked like it was well done. It will help people who have never been through this type of loss to understand the grieving process that a mother goes through in the loss of the child she dreamed about but never was.
I was also disturbed by the artillery box (I'm a service brat) and the shallow grave. Don't know the laws in Arkansas but the comment someone made about a deranged fan was something to think about.
Finally, there has been some discussion on here about being judgemental. We all express our opinions from time to time and if you think the Duggars don't, go to their website and listen to Michelle's letter to Jubilee that implies if we don't all have huge families that we don't love babies, we think our timing is better than God's, and you are never too financially challenged to take food away from the older kids to feed the youngest.

Jen said...

Something that has stuck in my mind after watching this episode.

While waiting for the sonogram before they found out there was no heartbeat, Michelle and Jim Bob where talking about if they would have more babies after this one.

Michelle said "I don't know what do you think?" Jim bob answered, "I think we will just shake hands from now on" Shaking her hand to demonstrate what he meant.

First, Michelle looked so sad after that comment. Second, didn't Jim Bob say in the past that he leaves the decision of more children up to Michelle, who in turn says the decision is left up to God.

That whole scene seemed strange and has stuck in my mind.

Seriously? said...

"Did you know that if every single human being in the world stood shoulder-to-shoulder they would fit within the city limits of Jacksonville, Fla.? That’s the truth about overpopulation, according to Michelle Duggar.”

Michelle went on to righteous criticize the Susan B. Komen Foundation for its support of, of all things, Planned Parenthood, making yet another one of her nonsensical statements that implies those who use birth control are incapable of having morals or high ethical values.

And, according to the science-phobic Michelle, 'less taxes and less govt' is the way to 'strong families'. (HUH?)

AS if any of these rote meatless, meaningless blatherings have ANY scientific or even moral basis or logic.

God does not rule supreme in Duggarville.

Ignorance does.

Seriously? said...

OMG, that 'casket' was an AMMO BOX??? I thought it was some kind of tacky suitcase.

An AMMO BOX is even WORSE.

These people are certifiably dense and weird.

Wampascat said...

He leaves the decision up to Michelle to have more children? I suppose that is he way of saying that she'd refuse to have sex? Wouldn't that go against Gothard doctrine?

Catecholamine said...

For once I can find a grain with which I am able to agree with Michelle Duggar: LESS government is best.

Let women decide for themselves how to handle their own birth control decisions and unexpected pregnancies instead of asking the government to decide FOR them by banning choice.

Wampascat said...

The casket looks as though it was a decorative wooden box. The green metal container they slid the wooden box into was an ammunition box.

Seriously? said...

"The green metal container they slid the wooden box into was an ammunition box."

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Even for the Duggars, this is such an odd choice.

I know they're all about 'buy used and save the difference', but making such a melodramatic circus out of the death of a fetus and THEN burying said fetus in an AMMO BOX is beyond bizarre.

More God'n'Guns Duggar mentality, I guess.

ennvee said...

He leaves the decision up to Michelle to have more children? I suppose that is he way of saying that she'd refuse to have sex? Wouldn't that go against Gothard doctrine?

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He's full of crap. Gothard's entire submission doctrine (which he twists from the husbands/wives portion of Ephesians) states clearly that a woman can NEVER say she has a headache. They also obey the Levitican laws of female "cleanliness," ie. no nookie during or 10 days after the end of the cycle. Guess where in the cycle that puts a horndog like Jim Bob? Right at ovulation. And it's been stated on either one of the specials or early in the show's run that the girls watch their mother's chart "like a hawk."

So no, Michelle isn't deciding anything. She, as all women in that lifestyle, only have the rights the patriarch decides to bestow upon them. Heck, a lot of girls in the movement aren't even allowed to drive; the Duggars girls actually have it pretty good compared to the vast majority of families who follow Gothard and save up all year to attend just ONE of the homeschool conferences (the Duggars attended 3 of the 4 last year...they've yet to hit Sacramento).

Michelle is 45 1/2 with that history of Josie behind her. I've read a few OBs who have said that after the type of c-section she had, the chances of conceiving again drop like a rock (and at 44, they were low enough), carrying to term nearly impossible; viability would be pretty tough. We saw this play out with Jubilee. I hope that was it and the shop has closed its weary doors.

No more exploitation of children and J20 for $$$$.

Irish wonder said...

What does editing have to due with filming tragic moments that should be private in the first place? They filmed Jim Boob's father when the man clearly didn't want to be on camera, but paraded him around after he could no longer speak or walk. Filmed an injured child. (snipped)

matt said...

I agree with the Duggars that children are a blessing from God.

But you know what else is a blessing from God?

Our brains and the ability to think, reason and make wise decisions about things.

ClosetDFan said...

I also had picked up on the hand shaking thing in the waiting room. I thought to myself, "way to go, take control finally!"

Krissy said...

I have mixed feelings on the epi. Yes the miscarriage was sad, but I wouldn't classify it as a tragedy. It was the most likely outcome given Michelle's age and medical history.

I agree with the poster who finds it odd Michelle is more emotional over a fetus than her live children. Of course it hurts to lose a baby you really wanted, but when I watch Michelle breeze by her children while her older daughters do all the work my sympathy wanes.

Pick a name 1 said...

MIchelle and Jim Bob Duggar have always said that they will stop having children when the Lord says 'no more'. I am aa Christian also, and I truely believe that He is speaking to them. The little girl before Jubilee, I am sorry I cannot recall her name right now, was premature and had such a struggle, but they were blessed with her finally being healthy. Now, the Lord took Jubilee home at 17 weeks gestation. Must we wait for a full-term baby to be taken? Please hear Him speaking to you, it is time to stop conceiving and concentrate on all that you have been blessed with thus far. This is your life, not a contest or a marathon. I mean no disrespect, I just pray you will think about the children you already have.

Pick a Name 2 said...

I find it very sad that someone would keep having children like this. They are all lovely children, however there is not enough time in a day to give each one of those children near the amount of attention and nurturing that they really need. Has any one of them ever had any one-on-one time with mommy or daddy? Impossible. It has turned into children caring for children...and it is sad. And now are Josh and Anna going to fall into the same game? Hope they do not try to keep up with 'mom and dad'. We are talking children here people, not puppies.

mom in texas said...

I agree with you wholeheartedly Pick a Name 1.I too consider myself a Christian and believe in trusting the Lord however you have to learn when the Lord is speaking to you. Michelle's last two pregnancies were especially hard.She should take heed and accept that she has entered a new season of life. The fact that she has grandchildren should be a sign. The Lord also teaches us to be mindful and use common sense in regards to our own well-being. Jim Bob and Michelle should remember this.

Vera said...

Somehow I missed the handshaking scene but I wonder if Jim Bob just wanted the even 20 and would be content to stop there. Of course it's a moot point now.

I just pray their hearts will be touched to stop here and start to fully appreciate the blessings that they have already been given. I especially hope that Michelle will stop chasing that next baby and actually take care of the ones she already has. I feel so sorry for Jennifer, Jordyn and Josie...especially Jordyn though. She didn't ask to be born and she deserves to be cherished and treated like the gift that she is...not like an afterthought...or worse yet, just ignored.

In reality though, I think the best that can be hoped for is no more fertility. And that Josh and Anna will wisen up OR maybe not be as fertile as his parents.

Tiffches said...

I think it is possible to give time to each child, even when there are 19. I just do not think the Duggars do it. They spend more energy giving time to each other than they ever have to a child. Sadly, Josh is a JimBob clone and Anna wants to please Michelle so she "obeys" and will end up ignoring her childen also, especially as their numbers mulitplies. It is so unfair that Anna and Josh will deprive their children of an education and a chance at any kind of future. It makes Anna a bad mother in my eyes that she can not stand up against Josh to protect her children. It puts Anna on the same level as Michelle.

betty obrien said...

Whether you have 1 child, 19...or 20; a pregnancy as far along as mi chelle's was that ended the way hers did is definitely heartbreaking...what truly bothered me was the way the youngest boys were included in the burial by covering the casket with dirt...this was a "little sister" that they never got to meet; not the family pet they were burying in the backyard...

Melissa said...

I definitely was left with questions after watching the episode. It was odd that the tech announced the situation with Jubilee. Also weird that Caleb was mentioned then (when previously on the Today show announcement, they didn't even consider him in the pregnancy/child count). It does make me wonder if some things were edited, but I hate to make such a presumptious judgement call.
I definitely thought the service for Jubilee was nice- IF IT HAD NOT BEEN VIDEOTAPED, but then again as others mentioned- they had no problem videotaping Grandpa Duggar's funeral.
Vera made a good point about Jim Bob being the one to go around hugging and kissing the kids telling them it would be ok. Michelle just sat there- granted she had a lot to go through in the upcoming days, but still... I do worry about her connection with her children, and I so worry about Jennifer and Jordyn especially. I am thankful that Jim Bob is pretty much a stay at home dad. This is the only way a big family such as that can work. Jim Bob truly loves is children. I believe him when he says his family is his hobby. I pray that he and Michelle will continue to get through this loss.

Wampascat said...

Just caught the part where the kids were told last night. While I admit it was very sweet how Jim Bob went around and kissed and hugged each child, I was very disturbed by the way the little kids approached Michelle. The little boys came up and spoke to her almost like she was a distant acquaintance, not their mother. This isn't the first time I've noticed this dynamic. There is a polite stand- offish feeling I get when Michelle has interaction with the little kids. I see no hugs or kisses, no warmth or affection. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

Vera said...

Michelle does not appear to have a connection to her children...especially the youngest five or so. It is like she mothered the first six or so, sort of mothered the next six or so and then just quit altogether after that. So the younger children approaching her like someone other than their mother is not a surprise to me. It is really telling and very sad though.

Wampascat said...

I think the episode was redone in response to the criticism they received after the miscarriage. The doctor visit looked rehearsed to me, not genuine at all. It was like someone was directing them. Now look shocked...now cry...now pray. I do have compassion for people who have suffered a miscarriage, but this episode seemed contrived.

londonbridges said...

I too noticed that not one blessing tried to hug and comfort Michelle. I know we only see and hear a tiny portion of their life experiences. The sister-mommies are the ones the little girls and guys run to for solace and comfort, day or night. JMHO.

Maybe... said...

I rewatched this episode this morning. Yes, the children didn't run up to Michelle to hug her when the announcement was made about the baby, but they didn't run up to hug Jim Bob, Grandma or each other, either. I kind of get it... they had never met this baby, none of them have ever been parents or pregnant and none of them would have seen Michelle go through her last loss. The announcement, as we saw edited anyway, didn't really lead up to the news... Michelle just put it right out there. I'm sure it was a shock and took some time to sink in, and maybe only the oder girls really got it while they were sitting there and so that is the only emotion we saw from the kids. I don't think any of what we saw outside confessional scenes was contrived, but strangely edited instead. And while having the funeral and taking pictures may seem strange or inappropriate to the larger public, maybe it's more normal or acceptable for the quiverfull/anti-birth control group. I remember seeing a few blogs right after Michelle originally miscarried authored by folks in that circle describing in detail similar situations, and some included even more intimate pictures than what we saw on TV or the internet of Jubilee.

Vera said...

It seems to me that even if the children didn't grasp what had happened, they would have comforted their mother because she was so obviously in upset. In my experience that's what children do. Maybe some of them are not the type or too young but still it was odd that not one of them got up.

And they didn't have to go to Jim Bob because he came around to them. I might question Michelle's attachment to her children, once they are weaned, but I don't question Jim Bob's. I think it has been quite obvious that he loves his children and has a connection to them.

I am really doubting whether Anna is pregnant but I guess we will all hear about it soon enough if she is.

Ally said...

I just watched the episode, I had it DVRed. Poor Jill, she took it so hard, she seemed even more of a wreck than Michelle.

This had to be somewhat traumatizing to some of the younger children. Whether or not they fully understood what was going on, they still (most likely) saw Jubilee, went to a funeral, saw their mom, dad, and sister-moms cry, so of course they are going to be upset (I'm thinking of Johannah when they showed Michelle crying as the boys threw dirt on Jubilee's grave). While for the older girls, and some of the boys (I think I saw either Jed or Jer crying when the announced it) I think it was true grief and emotion, whether they wanted this baby to be or not. I think it was just kind of cruel to put them through this spectacle.

It also got me thinking what would have happened had the older girls not reacted so emotionally so quickly. Wonder what they would have done...