Tuesday, March 6, Duggars in Space

The Duggars are out of this world! Jim Bob and the kids are going where no Duggars have gone before... Space Camp. The family tests their strength and skills in several astronaut training events, including a multi-axis trainer and flight simulator.

30 minutes

58 comments:

Wamascat said...

Wow, isn't it ironic that the Duggars get to take advantage of experiences like these when most kids can only dream of them and few can afford them? Kids who hope to have a career in Math, Science and Engineering can benefit greatly from Space Camp. This whole field trip will be over the Duggar's heads, I'm sure. Such a shame they aren't afforded an education to appreciate such a gift. Didn't John David once say he'd like to be a pilot?

Vera said...

Isn't pure science counter to fundamentalist belief systems like the Duggars follow? You know, the kind of science that is required for space exploration in the first place?

tulip said...

If John David did say he wanted to be a pilot (I don't recall that detail), he would probably be great-I can see him as one. IMO it's like he started the towing business just because it seems the guys are taught to have their own business, and that it was just the next thing in line before courting. I think all The Duggar kids (young adults!) could have so many more opportunities if not under the Gothard regime.

Alberta Rose said...

Isn't pure science counter to fundamentalist belief systems like the Duggars follow? You know, the kind of science that is required for space exploration in the first place?

No, that's a fallacy. Fundamentalist Christians believe that God create the Earth, moon, stars and planets. As each generation has progressed, God has enabled people to better understand physics, chemistry and biology. In each generation there are those who get themselves in trouble for saying to the church "God wants us to grow and evolve. Excommunicate me if you wish, but I believe this scientist is Godly inspired".

hello said...

Do the Duggars ever stay home? The show started out showing how they managed with a lot of kids and turned into how many "field trips" they can go on. I am pretty sure that none of the Duggar kids would even be allowed to dream about being an astronaut or pilot. They boys are being trained to have their own business, court, get married and have as many kids as possible. The girls are being trained to let daddy find them a man, court, get married and start popping out as many kids as possible. Of course that won't happen for any of the older girls any time soon as they have not finished raising their parents blessings. Poor Joy Anna is going to have it rough with all the boys between her and her younger sisters.
I wish Jim Boob and Michelle would encourage their kids to have their own dreams and let them make their own life choices. John David did state at one point that he wanted to be a pilot. That will happen as soon as Josh obtains his law degree, which means never.
While they are there, I can just hear Jim Boob spouting off his superior knowledge while Michelle looks up at him adoringly like he is the smartest man in the world.

Penny said...

Yes I agree with these posts. Now
who can afford a one month vacation in Eurpoe and Israel for 26 people, about 4 airflights with
numerous luggage,hotels,food,tour buses, tour guides,special perks.
Then go home and drop of Grandma with the dirty laundry, the whole family gets on the bus heads to Birmingham for Habitit for Humanity. While they are there,let's take the whole family to space camp. Now really, who can affford that.

ennvee said...

The did Space Camp last fall, after they'd been in Alabama "helping" after the Birmingham area was hit with tornadoes (covered on one of two "helping after tornado" episodes from last season (they also went to Joplin, MO in the spring).

At any rate, this is a family prone to motion sickness. I know the Space Camp/TLC is funding this venture, but given this propensity that's been shown (graphically) in the past, couldn't Jim Bob just say no for once? And is it wrong for me to hope he pukes hit guts out after he takes a ride in that anti-gravity thing TLC is running on the previews?

As for science, the Duggars only believe in it if it benefits THEM. Josie would have been a stillbirth 20 years ago; the Duggars will take the knowledge of people with extensive scientific training to save their child.

However, if one of their kids can't become a pilot due to their religious beliefs (training would require non-Gothard schooling - he was talking Air Force at one time, which even as conservative as that institution is, is not Christian enough. So, what benefit is Space Camp to them, other than to look closer at the heavens God created, but could not be seen as we can today without EVOLUTION in SCIENCE.

Oh Duggars, your hypocrisy is showing again.

Judy said...

Have many "The Duggars are sensitive to motion" episodes can they show?

Stephanie said...

We are all going to need barf bags if they show them carrying around their barfbags. Barf

heavennoseven said...

I wonder if the kids can even name any planets?

Rainbow68 said...

hello mentioned something I hadn't really thought about. Joy Anna will be charged with many of the little kids, I'm afraid, if the older girls clear out. Maybe by this time, Michelle will be done having kids and can handle the final four by herself...

Stephanie said...

This was filmed September 25th when they were helping with tornado victims. Michelle, Jill, and Josie were still in Israel. The space camp PR guru said he was so glad that 1 and a half million viewers will be able to see space camp through the eyes of the Duggars?
1.5 Million? Really?
From the pictuee Josh is there holding Michael.

sandi said...

I don't think the Duggars are made of 'The Right Stuff' (pun intended) when it comes to air or spaceflight.jmo.

hart&sole said...

Didn't we already see the Space Camp on 'Little People, Big World?'
I don't suppose there is any chance they could leave the littlest kids at home so the girls could enjoy themselves, and maybe learn something, instead of chasing them, is there?

Alberta Rose said...

I wonder if the kids can even name any planets?

About as well as any adult. The only reason I can pick out Mars is it's the red planet. If it wasn't for my job, my son, husband and I wouldn't know which planets are currently lined up with the moon. I work evenings and tend to notice things like that. As far as I know, Fundamentalists tend to teach "God created these planets and stars, these are the names He inspired man to give them."

Lindy said...

I wonder if the kids can even name any planets?

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My view on this is that the kids are school age and should be learning basic science, math, and english. They should be learning this since they should be learning these things regardless of religious affiliation. I'd love for someone on film to ask all the Duggar kids one at a time to name the planets.

As for Josh outing the Secret Service, I hope it is what will force him off the campaign trail.

Leah said...

Did Michelle scream Nike when they explained how old the moon is?

Leigh Ann said...

I just saw this on Space Camp's FB page. I'll have to tape it for my daughter as she's going to Space Camp this summer.

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"And is it wrong for me to hope he pukes hit guts out after he takes a ride in that anti-gravity thing TLC is running on the previews?"

That think he's spinning around in? You'll be out of luck! That's a multi-axis trainer and the way it works you don't get sick. Your stomach stays centered and it never spins more than twice the same direction so your inner-ear fluid doesn't slosh around. This will be one "thrill ride" the kids (and dad)can actually enjoy without getting sick. You will lose all the loose change out of your pockets, though.

Well, it should be a fun episode.

heavennoseven said...

Did we need a talking head of Josh.

Why are they still saying its a cold?

heavennoseven said...

Josie had more then a cold.

Why do we need Josh as a talking head. Poor Mack. I hope they took her out.

heacennoseven said...

Michelle got to sleep on the plane when Jill sat with Josie. Jana looked like she didn`t want that hug.


Josh stop talking about how much you way.

heavennnoseven said...

They FORGOT the child. Please tell me that was staged.

Rainbow68 said...

I have to say that this was a pretty good episode. Baby Michael is precious!

Leigh Ann said...

Well, that was kind of a waste. I don't see how they got much out of it from what we saw. And a spacewalk is kind of a "tomboy activity"? I guess none of the girls will be encouraged to be astronauts! And why did they do this right after a lengthy international trip? You'd think they'd all want to go home and rest up. Maybe be overwhelmed with so many new experiences one right after the other was a problem. You need time to reflect on and absorb one adventure before rushing headlong into another one.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

What a waste of time....for the space camp personnel. First the kids (especially Joy) looked sullen at the movie at the beginning, then had the attention span of a flea when they were supposed to be "flying" the space shuttle.

And yes, Jackson, women *can* go into space...when they're not birthing out dozens of kids like your momma.

Forgetting the kid you're supposed to be taking to the doctor???!??! That's some great parenting!

nana dear said...

I'm waiting for the first "baa" from a little Duggar black sheep. I'm betting on Joy.

Wampascat said...

A doctor accompanied them home from Israel because Josie had a cold? Oh, please! Why are they constantly back peddling and white washing?

MayDay said...

Things that bothered in this episode 1) Michelle sleeping while Jill took care of Josie 2)Jim Bob forgetting to pick up Jed to go to the doctors 3) Our kids play too many video games~ oh so video games is allowed 4)Climbing into a spaceship is "tomboyish" 5) Josh implying that where ever they go, anywhere even anywhere around the world they are recognized...big ego you go there Josh 6) The most important thing that bothered me in this episode was the filming Jed as he was having his surgery ~ these children have no privacy. 7) When Michelle says that when it comes to their children's faces they go directly to a plastic surgeon~ why is that? So their faces are perfect for filming?

Allison said...

Josh implying that where ever they go, anywhere even anywhere around the world they are recognized...big ego you go there Josh

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Considering he has been filmed continuously for about, what, 8 years? I'm not surprised that the Duggars actually do get recognized or at least have the impression that they are being recognized, though it would be hard not to draw attention considering they bring cameras with them EVERYWHERE. Except, you know, their home where they should be, study and learning like normal children.

Oh, also, I heard them say "Houston, we have a problem." I'm not sure where they would have heard that unless they watch mainstream media like, I don't know, Apollo 13 or something. Yeah, I hardly think they only watch those Christian children's movies.

mom in texas said...

I noticed that none of the older Duggar women (Jana,Jessa,Jinger, and Anna) participated in the space camp activities yet the other girls present (the Query girls) did.I wonder why this was.If the girls are forced to go along the least they could do was get to have some fun.It was kind of sad seeing the younger children enjoying themselves yet we all know there is no chance that anyone of them will ever become astronaunts or do any work in the scientific field.The "we/they wont be astronaunts" comment was made several times but I definitely didn't see it as a lighthearted thing.The Duggar kids will never be allowed to explore their own options and interests.
Michelle sleeping on the flight while Jill tended to Josie,the crew bringing a forgotten Jedidah (i think) to the surgery,Michelle filming the surgery (again) what is wrong with them? I am so puzzled at their behavior sometimes.

DuggarGoth said...

I really felt that it was such a waste of time for the Duggars to go to Space Camp. I think the whole concept was just totally lost on them and of course there is the issue with their motion sickness. It doesn't make logical sense that they would even want to go to a place like that.
As for the minor dental surgery... I find it hard to believe that they are allowed to be there and get right "up close and personal" during the surgery with their camera phone. I don't think "regular" people would be allowed to do that. For one thing it's probably not considered hygienic and I imagine it would kind of be disruptive (and a bit crowded) for the surgeon trying to do the surgery.

ennvee said...

Wow, they really spun Josie's illness, as if people forgot what really happened. Nice how they didn't show the doctor who accompanied them on the plane ride back to the states (and paid for by TLC I'm sure...unless the Duggars were really stupid enough not to realize she could become seriously ill over the span of a 3 week trip and didn't prepare for it).

Space Camp? A waste of money on kids who will never have the education in math and physics to even qualify to WORK at Space Camp let alone become astronauts (not like we have those since the Space Shuttle program is no more).

I also have it on good authority that a Planned Parenthood commercial aired during the east coast feed. I forwent the early episode for election coverage, but noticed two commercials that cut off a split second after they started. Hmmm....

Ratings down, sponsors back out and PP bought airtime during the Duggars' time slot? If so, well played!

Alberta Rose said...

I was glad to see the older girls were given the freedom to choose whether or not they wanted to participate in space camp or be spectators. They are being treated as adults instead of pandering to the viewing audience by showing the whole family doing stuff. I still don't understand all the talk about a doctor coming along with on the trip from Israel. They didn't show him, there was no mention of them needing a doctor to come along with, just two people taking care of one child. I'm glad Michelle had someone to help her. Having travelled with my husband and son by plane, as well as traveling with just my son, it's much easier to have help with a small child.

As for the surgery, EWWWWWWWWWWWW! That might have been "Minor Surgery" but it was extremely graphic. I think my son will get lots out of the Space Camp segments but he does NOT need to see the surgery segment.

Porcupine Pie said...

I can understand wanting to be modest, but it's OK to show a big hunk of skin being cut out of your child's mouth?

Was that Josh on the simulator taking pics with his trusty iPhone? Shocker........

How nice of Jill to take care of Josie on the plane while Michelle rested.

I can't believe I used to like this family..........

Elvira said...

The doctor who accompanied Josie even gave an interview to a newspaper (perhaps an Israeli one?). It was very widely known that he flew with them including his name and clinic/hospital affilition. TLC wanted to downplay it as a simple cold and thus the doctor was edited out or simply not filmed. Reality indeed!

mom in texas said...

....I still don't understand all the talk about a doctor coming along with on the trip from Israel. They didn't show him, there was no mention of them needing a doctor to come along with, just two people taking care of one child....
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The doctor said himself that he traveled back with Michelle, Jill, and Josie. This is pretty widespread knowledge due to the fact that it was talked about quite a bit when it happened. I am not so offended that it happened as I am that the Duggars continue to claim Josie had a "cold". No this was a preemie who had a serious medical condition who, frankly did not need to travel all over the globe, to foreign countries, with a compromised immune system.

Wampascat said...

Oh my gosh! By all means blur out Michelle's knees while she is on the wake board , but get the close up when her kids are in pain, or having a medical procedure! We haven't seen the depths these people will go to pimp out and exploit their children! Shameful!!!

sandi said...

Also recall that per Dr's advice,Michelle,Jill and Josie all stayed behind in Israel for a week,waiting for Josie to get well enough to fly home.And IMO,it appeared the Dr. still wasn't sure about Josie flying so far,but Michelle and the rest of the family were tired of them being there,so they sent the Dr. along to fly home with them.JMO.

ennvee said...

Here's an article from the time, naming the clinic that they showed again on last night's episode and confirming the fact that Dr. Hottie did indeed fly back to the US with Jill, Josie and their biological mother.

Boring episode. They're so desperate for filler that they're airing stuff that even the Space Center thought would be aired LAST season (found an article about the Space Center trip before finding this).

http://www.terem.com/en/news/27-%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%98%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%A8-2011/duggars-come-terem

So yeah, Josie was MUCH sicker than the show led people to believe. Don't forget, she was still wearing the O2 cannula tape when Jim Bob and Michelle made the J20 pregnancy announcement. No one can really confirm exactly WHEN that was taped but we know that the Duggars were all back home by early October, and Michelle would have known she was pregnant by then. The episode in which she made the announcement aired on November 8th, so there's a general timeline of events; she was out of her first trimester by then, so I suppose they felt it was "safe" to tack onto the end of the Q&A episode at that point.

Sharla said...

Another outing to lousy ratings. They didn't make the cable top 100 again.

I'm getting a cancellation kind of feeling.

Alberta Rose said...

I did hear about the Israel doctor who flew with them but when I didn't hear any gushing from Michelle about the "Kind hearted doctor" I just shrugged it off as exaggerated Netlore. I started to make a post rationalizing the doctor being edited out as him not wanting publicity until I saw someone posted a link to the Terem clinic.

:( You fly from Israel to America to help out a family you barely know and don't warrant even a mention on the TV show? Sigh. I'm sure within a week or so I'll come up with a rationalization for why.

As for the surgery, I don't think there was any immodest about it compared to a rock & roll celebrity couple showing their plastic surgeries on their reality show. Now if they mentioned one of the boys had to undergo surgery due to testicles not dropping properly that would definitely be immodest.

Wampascat said...

On the subject of letting cameras film medical procedures on the children: I don't feel it's a modesty issue as much as it shows a total lack of respect for their children's privacy. I mean, TLC respected Michelle's decision not to have her knees exposed or show her belly during ultrasounds on television. I feel the children deserve that same respect when it involves them having a camera shoved in their face right after they've had an accident or while undergoing medical treatment. You'd think Michelle would have the motherly instinct to shield her child when they're in pain instead of filming them and grinning like an idiot.

ennvee said...

Another outing to lousy ratings. They didn't make the cable top 100 again.

I'm getting a cancellation kind of feeling.

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What do they expect when they keep showing the same retread plotlines? How desperate are they that they actually showed Jim Bob forgetting to take his kid to his doctor's SURGERY appt? It's not like he was going out for a birthday present run at the thrift shop or something.

When my husband, who has seen maybe half a dozen episodes, recognizes that he's seen Josie sick in Israel before, it's time to close up the shop.

And time for Planned Parenthood to buy up some of that cheap ad time. Irony can be such a wonderful thing. :D

Leigh Ann said...

:( You fly from Israel to America to help out a family you barely know and don't warrant even a mention on the TV show? Sigh. I'm sure within a week or so I'll come up with a rationalization for why.
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I though it was on the show (not this one, the one about them in Israel) and that's how I knew about it.

About the surgery I just hope whichever kid it was was OK with it being filmed. There are some things you should have a choice in.

Melissa said...

Did anyone notice how Michelle was almost laughing as she mentioned Johannah and Justin's previous injuries and surgeries? I also wondered why Jim Bob had to use the cell phone to tape Jed's surgery when TLC was already taping it... Weird that it was taped anyway, but whatever.

UGH!!! said...

Envee said: “I also have it on good authority that a Planned Parenthood commercial aired during the east coast feed”

I believe it – I once saw a Plan B commercial air during their show!

Beth Anne said...

"You'd think Michelle would have the motherly instinct to shield her child when they're in pain instead of filming them and grinning like an idiot."
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You make such a valid point! They say the do the show to "help" people, but how is having a very unpleasant experience for your child taped and aired helping anyone? And I always thought that line of helping people displayed an exaggerated sense of self importance...i.e., we are SO holy and important that every aspect of our lives MUST be taped!

Beth Anne said...

Also, on the motherly instinct point, I think Michelle's motherly instinct is limited to the acts of reproducing, birthing, and breastfeeding. I know that sounds harsh, but think about what she says during the opening credits of the show..."And yes, I DELIVERED every one of them." Not, "I love every one of them," or "My husband and I are raising each one of them the best we can." It's all about the delivery....

Allison said...

"And yes, I DELIVERED every one of them."

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At first I thought that was kind of weird, but honestly I think it's to emphasize to any new viewers that these children are not adopted. There are plenty of MUCH larger families who have adopted their children. But the Duggars didn't... all 19 are biological and I think that's the point they want to make, what with the whole no birth control / letting God control / children are a blessing theme they have going. They probably felt they needed to emphasize how they got their kids (through God's blessing).

beef said...

This episode was pretty boring, my blood only boiled twice...the first time was when Jim Bob was saying that Joy Anna was still "tomboyish" because she was having fun wearing the space suit and climbing into the ship. Wow. Just wow. That poor, poor child, I certainly hope she can find a way out and get some deprogramming one of these days. The other thing that irritated me was nothing new...Michelle peacefully dozing in a first class airline seat while her older daughter entertained her baby in an entirely different seat. Arrrgghhhh!!!

Stephanie said...

It doesn't matter if the child says yes or no to being filmed he is underage and that decsion is the parents.
I have been guessing that the production is "outing" the Duggars little by little. I am not sure why, I am sure production wants to keep their jobs, what's in it for them? I don't know but this week they showed Michelle napping on the plane, and both forgeting him for minor surgery, and Jimbob video tapping him. Three things they could have glossed over this week. There are little moments like these that come up each week. Maybe they see the end, and they are taking them down with them? Just like Jon and Kate. Editing got less and less forgiving with Kate.

Kelly Renee said...

I have to comment on this week’s show. I was struck by the fact that all of those children look healthy and happy to me. They all have good color like they have been outside in the sunshine plenty and they don’t appear to be underweight or overweight, well, except maybe Josh but that’s probably due to a lack of poor choices on his part. He certainly didn’t look overweight when we all started watching this family.

Granted the girls do a lot of work around the house but it also appears the older boys do a lot of work as well, just in a different, how should I put it……..jurisdiction! I know for myself growing up on a baby beef farm, I did a lot of work and I probably resented it much more than the Duggar children do but now that I look back on it I realize that I learned quite a few helpful skills that have made my life much more manageable. College never prepared me for any of those things.

The minor surgery on Jed’s lip was not necessary to film of course and I am sure many will agree with me on that. Simply talking about it could have sufficed. But we all know the Duggar’s and TLC are trying to fill up time. But I don’t blame that entirely on the Duggars because many of the other TLC shows will film things that really don’t need to be shown on tv. JMO.

Wampascat said...

" And yes, I delivered every one of them! " Now, every time I hear that statement, it makes me mad. There is more to mothering than just the delivery. That's the easy part. You know, watching the recent episodes, I really wonder how connected she really feels to her children. I have three and I know when they hurt, I hurt. When they're in pain, or ill, I just want to make it better. I can't imagine one of my children being injured and the first thing I think of is " quick, grab the camera!" Sorry to keeping ranting about it, but its true that she takes more pride in the"deliveries" than in the actual children.

Ashley said...

I am not a fan of the Duggars, but I do think that some of the things in the Space Camp episode that seem bad at first glance might have legitimate explanations.

First, we saw just a brief clip of what would have been a very, very long plane ride. In the clip we saw, Michelle was sleeping and leaving her youngest child to the care of an older sibling. While that is par for the course with the Duggars and they certainly aren't too concerned with actually doing the parenting much of the time, it is entirely possible that Michelle actually did take care of Josie for some chunk of the flight, but that footage wasn't shown.

Second, the comments about Joy Anna being a tomboy might not have been totally negative. In the past, she has seemed more physically active than her older sisters, and she was the only girl amidst the boys in her "generation." If anything, it is encouraging that she actually was allowed to wear a jumpsuit and participate in physical activities (just like when some of the older girls have been able to wear pants to ski or skydive). If not for the tv show, I doubt Joy Anna or her sisters would have even that little bit of freedom. They would have been unpaid nannies either way, but at least with the show, they get some life experiences outside of the house.

Alberta Rose said...

" And yes, I delivered every one of them! " Now, every time I hear that statement, it makes me mad. There is more to mothering than just the delivery.

She says that to let people know that none of them are adopted. Some people have a large family through adoption. For what it' worth, for a long time I thought it meant not only did she have a large family, every one of them was home birthed. What I do find amazing about Michelle is that the first set of twins were cesearean, the second set were VBAC (vaginal birth after cesearean).

Vera said...

Michelle's lack of compassion for her injured child really hit home with me this week. My youngest fell off the jungle gym at school and we thought he might have fractured his wrist. Believe me, all I cared about was the pain he was in and finding out what needed to be done to alleviate that pain. That was it! And he wasn't as seriously injured as Jason was. I just don't understand how, even when the cameras are omnipresent, that would be your first thought when your child is in pain and obviously frightened.

I think Michelle's actions speak volumes as to her detatchment from her children. It seems like she is fixated only on the pregnancy, birth, and nursing. After that she detaches and moves on to trying for the next "blessing."

Her children may be fed, clothed, etc. but it does not seem that they are truly loved...not by their mother anyway and for that my heart truly goes out to them. Every child deserves to be loved and cherished...especially by their mother and I don't see that with the Duggar children...especially not the last five or so.

Patty said...

I, too, noticed that Michele was sleeping on the plane, and that Jill was in the seat in front of her with Josie. Michele and Jill seem very close, so my feeling is that Jill let Michele have some resting time, and Michele let Jill have time to rest also. However, TLC chose to show us the clip of Michele sleeping while Jill took care of Josie, which makes me think TLC was deliberately showing Michele in a negative light, in order to stir up a little controversy on the blogs, such as this one. Hmmm.

The things that do with Josie makes me boil a bit, as I have grandchildren who were preemies, and a cold in any of them up to the age of 3 had the potential to turn serious. Respiratory viruses can be a problem in children who have had bronchopulmonary dysplasia, as virtually all preemies do. I wondered initially if Josie had RSV, but I think she probably would have been admitted to the Israeli hospital if she had it. So I think it's possible that a simple cold did cause her O2 saturation to go lower, and that's why she was on canula again and why the doctor advised Michele to delay their return home for so long.

I am still shocked that this family takes little Josie so many places and exposes her to all these possibilities of getting ill. I don't think that is smart. She looks like she's doing well, but it's my belief that she is still rather fragile, especially in light of what happened to her in Israel and of her febrile seizure earlier this year.

I agree with what others on this blog have said about the children not having a choice when it comes to their medical procedures being filmed. Michele can decide what she doesn't want filmed (and mentions modesty about a dozen times when she gets a chance), but why doesn't modesty apply when it comes to the kids?

And ... if I hear Michele say the word "encouraging" one more time, I think I will gag. I'm not "encouraged" when I see her filming her son's procedure. I didn't see her being a mother and comforting her son. Jim Bob was comforting, though. I remember how sweet he was when Jana and Jill had their dental procedures. He seems more empathetic to the kids sometimes than Michele. It's like she has no motherly instinct sometimes, which I find puzzling.

I used to enjoy watching this family but some things about them are starting to bother me.

Ashley said...

Patty, I agree completely about the dangers to which they expose Josie. They like to talk about how the people who doubted whether she should have been conceived in the first place are wrong, but they turn around and take her on a long globe-trotting trip. As anyone with any experience with a premature child will tell you, the doctors always advise caution until at least 2 years (and sometimes longer for a child who had as many setbacks in the first few months as Josie did).

Another interesting twist to all of this is that the Duggars preach that you have to let God be in control of how many children you have, which means no intervention on your part (not just no birth control but also the parents aren't even supposed to watch the calendar and time things to try to avoid conception!) But with any other part of life, they have no problem with intervention. If they really want God to be in control of life and any actions on their part prevent him from having control, why do they rely on medical intervention for everything other than conception? Their view both assumes that God's control over conception is subject to and blocked by human action, and it ignores that principle for any other aspect of life.