Free Discussion March 2012

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

173 comments:

nana dear said...

I was able to see the photos of Jubilee on the net. I thought the pictures themselves were tasteful and touching; a special memory for the family.
What was tacky was the fact that I was able to find them there for everyone to see. I just know they will be shown on the Jubilee VSE.
That's exploitation!

Betty said...

What could be worse than a Jubilee VSE? Showing all the "hope this is a healthy pregnancy" stuff and then not telling the viewing public that she didn't make it.

Vera said...

It occurred to me, in church not coincidentally, that life has GOT to be easier when following a program like ATI. The rules are all spelled out for you and your choices are very limited so decision making has to be at a minimum. You shun society and keep to only like-minded people so there is never a reason to form an independent though or to have more than a cursory understanding of the rules. The Bible is dictated to you so that eliminates all questions and differing points of view to digest and possibly incorporate. And the best part is that when things go south you can just say it was God's will and move on...very limited accountability as long as you follow the rule book.

ennvee said...

I agree with Vera's post in that life is so much easier when you don't have to think. But the trade-off in Gothard's world is that if you don't follow his 7 Basic Rules, the 49 Character Qualities, the roles of husband/wife, etc., he's scared you so badly that you think you'll go to Hell if you fail in any of these areas. So while life is pre-ordained for these folks, the fear of Hell constantly looms. Remember when they sent Jana back to that indoctrination camp last year? Apparently, she did something that was verboten and for the Gothard program to work and keep the next generation from straying, they must be kept under this thumb of authority and legalism.

I came to post that the Duggars were spotted in MI this past Tuesday before the primaries, campaigning for Santorum, claiming in an article that they were NOT his "secret weapon." They certainly have a high opinion of themselves; not very modest if you ask me.

Alberta Rose said...

You shun society and keep to only like-minded people so there is never a reason to form an independent though or to have more than a cursory understanding of the rules.

I know secular people like that. They only stick to like minded people, never have an independent thought, understand the basics and if you aren't like minded and/or are an independent thinker, you don't deserve to be treated by the rules as they understand them.

GRIN, I'll plead guilty when I really don't want to do something and someone won't get off my back, I can do the whole "Fundamentalist Submissive Wife" thing without blinking. My husband is the same way. There's a Bible verse that is a companion one to the "Wives submit yourselves to your husband" which advises how husbands are to listen to their wives. He'll be the "Biblical Husband" if he wants to get out of something.

Given a choice between staying at home, helping take care of a bunch of siblings, not having to worry about rent, earning a paycheck, doing online college so I appear like I'm interested in learning or moving out, having to worry about rent, insurance, what a guy's intentions are towards me, buying groceries, paying utilities, not having someone around my own age to talk with, I think the young women of the Duggar family know a sweet deal when they see it.

tulip said...

Just saw Instagram photo Josh posted of his new sign for Duggar Automotive...why a family pic on the sign? Really seems kind of odd to me. He should have put that photo on their family website, which hasn't been updated since December 2010. Besides, not too long before they'll have to get yet another family photo (for baby #3?)

stephanie said...

didn't Dolly Pardon defraud the Duggar men and boys with her tight fitting clothes showing her large breasts and tight skirts cupping her buttocks?
Don't they realize that breast feeding in a parade is offensive to MANY people and vulgar?
Why would any of these kids not be embarassed that their parents are constantly making nokes about how "horny" they are all in the name of Jesus.
Don't their sons who have never kissed a girl know more than any boy would ever want to know about their MOTHERs period, pregnancy tests, contractions, cervix dialation, internal ultrasounds, conception dates, breast feeding, sore nipples, breast pumps. What boy wants to know about such personal information about their own mother? That is NOT MODEST. There is more to life than procreation.

Wampascat said...

I don't really think giving up your teen years, education and freedom to raise your younger siblings is such a sweet deal. Jim Bob and Michelle should be ashamed that their children are called upon to do their job. I hope it all comes back to bite them in the ass someday.

ennvee said...

Given a choice between staying at home, helping take care of a bunch of siblings, not having to worry about rent, earning a paycheck, doing online college so I appear like I'm interested in learning or moving out, having to worry about rent, insurance, what a guy's intentions are towards me, buying groceries, paying utilities, not having someone around my own age to talk with, I think the young women of the Duggar family know a sweet deal when they see it.

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I guess it's a good deal if all you are going to do with your life is have your father pick your future husband, submit to said husband all times (even if it's a bad match, it's your fault, natch), and keep house until your oldest blessings can take over for you.

Most young women would rather not take that deal. College, or moving out to work and support oneself at 18-21 teaches a young woman a lot more about herself than a lifestyle that plans your life for you with no wiggle room.

Frankly, I was proud that I got a full-time job (with full insurance coverage) the day after I graduated from high school and moved out a month later rather than submit to rules similar to those of the Duggars, with the added "benefit" of paying THEM rent and having a curfew! NO THANKS! I could do what I wanted, when I wanted and any mistakes I made were my full responsibility. Personally, I wouldn't have had it any other way (other than going to college straight out of HS, but that's a long story...I got there...eventually).

The Duggar adult children are not allowed to live the life of a conventional young adult; at least most of us have OPTIONS. I don't know what real responsibility the Duggar girls are learning as they cook, clean, pack, wipe snotty noses and bathe kids day in and day out. Their MOTHER should be doing those things.

Jill can't go to a real nursing school; she has to settle for being an approved doula's assistant. John David couldn't become a pilot in the Air Force; that requires a college degree that he's not allowed to get. He has to settle being a tow truck driver for the family business (a Gothard approved activity). Josh? He wanted to be a lawyer. Anyone who reads his Twitter knows that will never happen; he can't even take mild dissent (he deleted a post of mine discussing why Olympia Snowe was retiring...the kid doesn't know the meaning of the word compromise). He'd never make it through college (even if he was allowed) let alone law school. Gothard only approves one, in which he'd have to sit for the CALIFORNIA Bar. Don't see him moving anytime soon; he may be a lousy car salesman, but he's still the Little Prince who had everything handed to HIM - as long as he sticks to the script.

And they complain about indulgent parents paying for the college education of their children? Silly Duggars, neopitism is usually a privilege of those elitists they decry at every turn.

Girls have value said...

I read all of these posts and I think you all make so many good points, but IMO we skirt the real "victims" in the duggar family and gothard thinking families....the young women. everything I've read about the ideals and values they ascribe to seem to blame women for everything. if a boy is attracted to a girl then it's her "fault" she isn't being modest enough. it's a womens responsibility to "prop up" her husband. it's a women's responsibility to birth many many children and raise and school them while her husband is the ultimate authority in the house.

it seems the gothard followers are pining for a time gone by - like they wish it were the 50's again.

the world has changed - like it or not and subjugating women is their answer.

very unhealthy and not christian

Wampascat said...

I was just wondering how long it will take Michelle to conceive again? You know they're trying every chance they get. And then I remembered back when Grandpa Duggar was alive and how he was against them having so many children. Remember that discussion several seasons ago?

Vera said...

With the editing direction lately, maybe they should rename the show... The Duggars: Without Pity. Just saying...

Cadence said...

"Don't they realize that breast feeding in a parade is offensive to MANY people and vulgar?"
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Michelle was covered up well in the parade, so I don't think that most people would consider that vulgar.

taurus0385 said...

In light of dr seuss's birthday I wonder of the duggars know who he is or read any of his books?

Willow said...

Its not so much that Michelle was breast-feeding during the parade. IMO, the problem was that she made it as obvious as possible. Standing up there with that contraption on. It seemed she just couldn't pass up calling attention to herself. Don't most floats havel a place she could have sat down in a chair or something a little more discreet? Maybe I am wrong, but I remember at the time it just struck me as kind of show-offy. I like the old-fashioned way where she just throw a towel or baby blanket over your shoulder and its not such a big contraption. It seems most women can do it without drawing so much attention. JMO.

tulip said...

I remember the episode back when Michelle and some of the girls went to a public elementary school to speak and read to the kids. Michelle had her "breast friend" pillow strapped on and breastfed, with (I think it was Jordyn) baby's feet and legs sticking out. In no way am I against breastfeeding in public, but like Willow said, I think it's more appropriate to be more subtle, especially in front of all those little kids-all they saw was this baby's legs sticking out from underneath some huge thing strapped on, they might have thought it looked scary! And THEY'RE worried about modesty? Anyway, IMO just another example of Michelle showing off.

I highly doubt the Duggar kids read Dr. Seuss...although there isn't anything in those books that I've ever read that could be "offensive", they're probably not on the ATI approved reading lists!

Lindy said...

I am not bothered when a woman breast feeds in public as long as it is done in a respectful manner without trying to draw added attention by having baby legs dangling off a pillow or by talking in front of groups with a baby and pillow attached. The issue that I had with Michelle breast feeding on the show is that she seems to do it for simply for show. She could have respected the elementary school by not having Jordyn's legs dangling over the edge of her breast friend (we all knew what was going on and I was offended as a woman who breastfed and was able to do so with dignity). She could have done what I did when I needed to breast feed my daughter in public: I sat in a chair and draped a blanket to cover myself. Even if I was talking to someone, my daughter was covered and there was no weird contraption with her legs dangling off. I just thought she wasn't respectful at all at the elementary school (or anywhere with Jordyn's legs dangling and she was making a spectacle of herself and drawing attention to herself) and hardly modest, as Willow has mentioned. I thought that she made a fool of herself. Something about her legs dangling off just hit me the wrong way, and I really can't explain it (so apologies for sounding so long-winded).

I also would love to know why Jim Bob went against his own father's wishes to not have so many children. If the Gothard culture is all patriarchal, and JIm Bob was under the authority of his father (while he was alive, despite living on his own) and his father told him to stop having so many kids, then Jim Bob should have obeyed his father and stopped.

stephanie said...

I found it offensive and the opposite of modest. She was waving to the crowd while her baby was suckling on her nipple. There, I had to spell it out as I saw it. And yes it was a "look at me moment" and even Jimbob said "this may be a first" along with his uncomfortable laugh. Those laughs he likes to chuckle out at his own jokes that are not funny. Giving birth is natural but I don't want to see it in a parade. Breast feeding is normal but I don't want to see it in a parade. Sex is normal but I don't want to see it in a parade.
By the way, isn't nursing a bonding skin on skin moment between mom and baby when you can look into each others eyes and feel the love? Michelle covers her babies face up and waves in a parade or talks to the camera crew while the little baby's feet are aimlessly kicking around under a blanket. Kinda like Michael Jackson feeding Blanket under a blanket all awkward. JMO

stephanie said...

Regarding Michelles Hair I think she is wearing what they call in the Toddler & Tiaras world a "fall". Its just an extra hair piece at the crown of the head. I first noticed it in the Ireland interview and I think she just wears it in interviews. The morning she couldn't get Jimbob out of bed and they were at the breakfast table I really looked at the back and did NOT see any type of perfect ringlets. So maybe she is wearing it sometimes. No one on here likes Amy but Amy has pretty hair and it is somewhat modern. And by most standards it is considered long. Why can the Duggar girls wear their hair at least like that or Selena Gomez, or any number of modern long hairstyles. TLC please send them to the make over show "what not to wear" Also, boys wearing baseball hats indoors or at dinner table or interviews is so RUDE. Double standard for the boys. They can do whatever they want. Ding ding ding etiquette class tlc producers. And I don't think John David is working at all. There is no towing business. We have friends who own a towing business (including semis) and they are extremely wealthy. If John David were working that hard he wouldn't be on these long trips and he would be making good money and looking for a wife

Elverna Bradshaw said...

"It seems like the Gothard followers are pining for a time gone by - like they wish it were the 50s again."
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Yeah....the 1850s.

Miggy said...

I was taught that a newborn has a focal distance of about 30cm which is the distance from the breast to the mothers face. Babies watch their mothers faces while they feed, learning how to read facial expressions as well as bonding.

I have wondered since 14K&PA whether Michelle feeds her kids uncovered when she is alone. Do they ever get a chance to watch her? Do they ever really spend time with her? When they are not feeding they are tucked under her arm while she deals with other kids or else they are with a sister-mum.

ennvee said...

Interesting stories and comments from Gothard "survivors" regarding his views on higher education. The comment by the guy who actually went to Gothard Law was especially illuminating.

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/02/the-aftermath-of-ati-and-its-aversion-to-higher-education-part-1/#more

Maria said...

I had my cable shut off, so I had no idea that the Duggars were back on with a new season. After reading through each of the recent threads, I've made a solid decision to not watch this show anymore. I started with their very first shows, and have followed them for years, but I can't do it anymore. I feel in my heart that Michelle is exploiting not only her children that are now alive, but also Jubilee, for bank roll. I do not find this show encouraging, as year after year portrays a group of daughters, who are treated like built in child care workers, not allowed to go out in the world and live their lives, as their brothers are.

I find that when I watch this show, I actually feel depressed, or angry for the children. I see these beautiful young adult women, who are literally taught to exist only for the men they will marry, and to take care of their siblings until they get lucky enough to pair up with someone and move away.

My heart goes out to Jana the most. I cannot imagine at her age, waking up each day and swallowing all of my hopes and dreams, so that I can change my mother's baby's diaper, fix breakfast, and act as if I am the mother who brought these children into the world. This is not encouragement, it's a sickness. One that I won't support anymore. I hope Jana packs a bag, and runs away, gets an apartment, goes to a real college, gets a real education, goes on a date, and chooses life on her own terms. In the meantime, write a book on the real Duggars, sell it, and live a very full life, getting a real degree and making your own way.

Done and done, TLC. You've crossed your limits.

Amanda said...

I have to disagree with the comments about Michelle using her nursing pillow. I bring my Brest Friend pillow everywhere, because my 3 month old has a recessed chin and it helps position him correctly.

However, I do think it was tacky to stand up like that in the parade while nursing. Sit down in a chair and ride the float, woman!

tulip said...

For Michelle, the "breast friend pillow" isn't the issue, it's how and when she's using it...yes, tacky.

I still don't get the Gothard higher education thing-it's sickening. What in the world is wrong with young adult Christians getting a college education...at a college! John David would be a great pilot, I can see both Jill and Jana being excellent nurses. So tired of The Duggars covering up with their lame College PLUS explanations and endorsement.

heavennoseven said...

Josh went out to eat for his birthday. I wonder why he thinks its okay to eat out so often. I mean TLC money won`t last forever.

Beth Anne said...

I just caught a re-run of the "College Plus" episode and Michelle and Jim Bob's explanations of why college is not needed. Lame, lame, lame, and insulting, as well. Not everyone is college material, but they talk about how the kids building character, and THAT is the learning priority. The implication, of course, is that us parents who want our kids to go to college are NOT concerned about character- or morality-building, and one can only learn these things by being sequestered at home with mom, dad, and a million siblings.

How better to build character, as a young adult, than to get out in the real world, deal with a variety of personalities, and face the fact that not everyone is fake-nicey or believes the same things you do? A significant amount of personal growth comes from facing fears and, yes, even temptations, finding your own inner strength and making your own decisions, and dealing with the fall out of your decisions. One sometimes has to deal with the bad to develop resilience, resourcefulness, and truly, truly choose a God-centered life!

Porcupine Pie said...

Josh is purposely posting those food pics to piss people off and get them snarking. It's working. He is such a narcissist, he loves the attention, even though it is negative. He is getting fatter by the week and Anna is following close behind. I thought she was pregnant, but maybe it's just a "food baby" He is such the opposite of a humble, Godly man. Jim Bob isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but he is not a smug, annoying, show-off like his first-born.

imaamy said...

Well at least Josh posted one day's salad on instagram before the spaghetti and meatballs with hunka white roll, cake wrapped around pvc pipe in the shape of "24" and assorted other artery cloggers! Golly it is gross how they eat.

ennvee said...

I just caught a re-run of the "College Plus" episode and Michelle and Jim Bob's explanations of why college is not needed. Lame, lame, lame, and insulting, as well. Not everyone is college material, but they talk about how the kids building character, and THAT is the learning priority.

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The link I posted above w/r/t Gothard's views on college was spewed almost verbatim on that episode. Thanks for recalling that episode; wasn't it Michelle who said Jill was "working toward a degree in NURSING?" but all Jill said was that she was working with the DOULA (big difference) and sort of explained how she was studying for CLEP testing without identifying it as such. That way, College Minus gets the glory (and probably rips off a lot of people by branding their product, some tutoring for the tests, as "Christian").

A lot of universities don't accept CLEP tests for credit, and even those that do (which includes the University of Arkansas...I was bored and looked this stuff during the winter break) don't take ALL the CLEP tests that are offered. Not to mention that there are no sciences, other than Psych 101. Anything else requires you to be in a lab or the field for research. Also, the CLEP tests are only 3 unit courses, while most universities on the semester system require a 4 unit course to meet the requirement.

So, even if Jill is CLEPping her way through a few remedial freshman courses, she's going to need a LOT more work at a real school to even be admitted to nursing school, which may or may not be her end goal. I think that's the PR machine trying to paint her intended work with the broadest brush.

As for the others, the PR machine has mentioned that Josh is still supposedly doing some study (via College Minus, I guess) and is still eying law school; this was less than a year ago. Now that he's accessible through social media, it's pretty clear that particular bit of PR is BS (and I'm not talking about a Bachelor's in Science degree :D ).

Jinger's photography is Gothard-approved (the fundamentalists LOVE to blog, but ironically keep themselves isolated, go figure), so she can take courses via that route, I supppose. I have no clue what is offered or if it will make her any better, but since all she'll likely be using her skills for are family albums and later a blog when she gets married, I don't know how much more experience she really needs.

And trust me, if Jessa really wants to teach and be any good at it, even if it's just her own kids, she better be really good at one subject and be able to co-teach with other families, or take some real education classes; heck, nothing below a Master's is going to get you work as a teacher at the big-city public school district where I live. Which is why I'm back in school finishing my Master's so I can do more than sub every now and again.

stephanie Michelle=Fame Jimbob=Fortune said...

Wait a minute, when she had Josie she pumped her milk and froze it. Did she pump her breast milk with her other children? Most moms do for emergency, babysitters etc. We know Michelle is gone a lot for appearance and may sometime leave babies with sister, so why wouldn't she think "hmmmm, we are going to be in a parade for about an hour maybe more meeting the public maybe I should take some baby bottles?" But instead "hmmm, baby might get hungery at parade so I better remember my supermom breastfeedng cape and giant wrap around pillow that takes two people to hook onto me". That was for her sick hoarding attention celebrity ego trip. Michelle Loves Fame Jimbob Loves Fortune

Alberta Rose said...

Wait a minute, when she had Josie she pumped her milk and froze it. Did she pump her breast milk with her other children?

No, because her other babies didn't have to spend time in NICU. Also, Josie was diagnosed as being allergic to breastmilk and had to go on a special formula for preemies.

tulip said...

Well, not to keep going on and on, BUT...ennvee posted about the CLEP testing, and it's yet another way The Duggars are ever so subtly making things sound like their way (Gothard) of doing things is not so ultra-conservative and out there. Yes, pretty much all colleges will only accept a very select assortment of courses to CLEP, usually the basics like English 101. That might be like 1 or 2 classes for a nursing degree. The rest like Anatomy and Phys., higher level math and nutrition, etc. are not on that list.

Let's face it...ANY time The Duggars are criticized over a particular subject matter and is talked about in a negative way, they quickly address it as fast as possible-whether it be in an episode, on Michelle's blog, and most recently their newest book is basically all damage control-trying to disprove a rumor or make something sound "not that bad".

sandi said...

Since Josh claims that God wants control over each and every part of a person's life,I wonder why he doesn't surrender his diet to God as such,and eat only fresh,healthy foods and not processed junk most of the time.Is this simply another of the Duggar hypocrisy of 'pick and choose',as in,say one thing,but do otherwise?

hart&sole said...

No, because her other babies didn't have to spend time in NICU. Also, Josie was diagnosed as being allergic to breastmilk and had to go on a special formula for preemies
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Perhaps Michele didn't have to pump in those days, however she could have for situations that were public.

Alberta Rose said...

Let's face it...ANY time The Duggars are criticized over a particular subject matter and is talked about in a negative way, they quickly address it as fast as possible-whether it be in an episode, on Michelle's blog, and most recently their newest book is basically all damage control-trying to disprove a rumor or make something sound "not that bad".

Which is why they're starting to lose street cred with people like me. They used to be our inspiration for living in the world, not of the world. They're starting to care more about the ratings and the image they project to their Earthly viewing audience, not what God thinks.

I'm still shaking my head and thinking "How is it being wise stewards of the land when you know you don't have a green thumb, you know you have land that you got dirt cheap because it's cheap dirt, yet in order to pander to the viewing audience, you plant some fruit trees?" I'm starting to get concerned one of the young women will end up in a marriage that's not entirely of her choosing or one of the young men will end up choosing a profession he's not that into because it's about what They Say, not what God is guiding her or him to choose.

emm said...

the Duggar children may not have time for careers/higher education if they are striving to achieve 49 character qualities! Self-improvement is a great idea but this just seems overwhelming. I can't imagine the pressure these 19 kids are put under to achieve this goal.

ennvee said...

Wait a minute, when she had Josie she pumped her milk and froze it. Did she pump her breast milk with her other children?

No, because her other babies didn't have to spend time in NICU. Also, Josie was diagnosed as being allergic to breastmilk and had to go on a special formula for preemies.

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Actually, this is only partially correct. Michelle pumped TONS of her own breastmilk for Josie's future use (remember those coolers?). They didn't discover the lactose intolerance until Josie was something like 4-5 months old and at that point she had to go on formula.

Of course, Josie never breastfed; premies often have problems with aspiration and whatnot that can't be addressed with the angle they breastfeed.

The question I think other posters raise is why couldn't Michelle pump breast milk for her other babies for those times, like the school or the parade, when whipping out a donut around your waist and throwing your baby under a cape while he/she breastfeeds when she could simply sit down and continue talking or waving while bottle feeding the baby (also getting face contact time with said baby). Even if the baby is partially under a small blanket would make a better statement for "life" than seeing baby legs hanging out from under a donut and a cape during a speech to children.

ALW said...

The seven basic needs of a husband and the seven basic needs of a wife. http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/mp3/CliffPalmer/7BasicNeeds_Husband.pdf http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/mp3/CliffPalmer/7BasicNeeds_Wife.pdf

Damage Control said...

My college-enrolled son is on campus or studying about ten hours a day and even his one online class takes a huge amount of time. I don't know how the older kids could attend college or achieve high school competencies successfully when they're on the road as much as they are, caring for siblings, doing laundry, volunteering, campaigning, etc. I don't see Michelle or Jim Bob writing lesson plans, preparing materials, correcting or grading papers, or keeping records for the younger ones. I'd like to see everyone at home or on the bus hitting the books, writing papers, completing projects, reading, etc. and not just for a few minutes, but on a regular basis.

Andrea said...

The seven basic needs of a husband and the seven basic needs of a wife. http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/mp3/CliffPalmer/7BasicNeeds_Husband.pdf http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/mp3/CliffPalmer/7BasicNeeds_Wife.pdf
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I had to just skim through those because I could feel my blood starting to boil.

It would be interesting to switch the titles on those worksheets and give the men a lesson in how they can best submit to and glorify their wives. How they need to be meek and humble and rely on their wives for leadership and guidance. Let's tell them that making their own money undermines their wives authority. Oh and let's not forget the physical appearance part! Tell Josh that it's important for him to remain attractive so he can be the husband of Anna's dreams!

Oh, to be a fly on the wall if that ever happened.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Well, Josh continues to have a lack of discretion as he "outted" the Secret Service's lapel pin for the Santorum campaign in one of his instagram pictures. Good job compromising security, Joshieboy.

mindy said...

After looking at Josh's instagram pics from their latest campaign rally in OK I noticed Jana looking "extra made up" in a group shot with Santorum's family. Any thoughts to what would happen if she were to fall for one of Santorum's presumably Catholic sons or visa versa?

tulip said...

"Well, Josh continues to have a lack of discretion as he 'outted' the Secret Service's lapel pin for the Santorum campaign..."

Josh has absolutely no discernment whatsoever, he just goes around opening his big mouth and snapping pics left and right. This guy has nothing better to do than parade around like he's some sort of big-time influential person, when he should be back home running his business and providing for his family.
Also noticed the heavily made-up faces of Jana, and as what has become the norm for Anna. They both look terrible with all that makeup and dark black eyeliner. I guess drawing attention to their countenance has taken on a whole new meaning. (not to mention Michelle has really been caking it on as well from what I've seen in her most recent public appearances)

ennvee said...

I wanted to add that I especially appreciate the voices of posters whose views regarding the Duggars have changed, and why.

The ability to recite bible verses on demand does not make one a better Christian. And when the claws start to be exposed, as they are with both of the main families we discuss here, in the guise of fellowship and faith, that's when I know I started to examine how their brand of Christianity was different than how I was raised. It boiled down to not having a charismatic "world leader" making his brand expensive, exclusive, but most importantly, legalistic; Gothard, Phillips and others like them are nothing more than charlatans/false prophets.

JMHO, but it's learning about the extent of damage caused by these people that make me protective for those kids, who don't have a choice, and are being told the rest of us are going to Hell. That's pretty critical for people who claim not to judge others.

Sorry for the rant, but their core beliefs vs. what is shown on TV, are two totally different families. I hope TLC keeps showing more of the Gothard crazy booklets, etc., so this can really get out in the mainstream.

Nova said...

The way things are going, the Duggars are nearing the end of their TV life. The way I see it, they only have three options.
1) R. Santorim becomes president and gives the Duggars jobs.
2) The Duggars become such a joke that they are shunned by modern society, thereby losing their income. They would then have to divest themselves of all the goodies they've accumulated and go back to subsistence living.
3) After a brief time, they suddenly 'realize' that Gothard is a doddering old fool, and they then rebrand themselves as recovering fundies. They'll immediately shop around for a new show as they show on-air all their efforts to catch up with the times and try to fit in with modern life. Would be fun. There would be so many new episodes to film, as they attempt to integrate. It might even help their poor kids.

Alberta Rose said...

JMHO, but it's learning about the extent of damage caused by these people that make me protective for those kids, who don't have a choice, and are being told the rest of us are going to Hell. That's pretty critical for people who claim not to judge others.

When have they flat out said if you don't believe the way they do, you'll go to Hell? I've had people claim that when I share my testimony because of their perception. The Duggars have said this is how they've chosen to follow the Lord, they are on the media circuit sharing how they walk with the Lord but I've never heard them say nor have I read them flat out saying if you don't follow their way, you will burn in hell. Other people have twisted what they say to mean that, but it's not unique to the Duggars. Anyone who is passionate about a way of living can cause someone else to have a "my way or the highway" attitude, and get offended.

Need a name please said...

Watched the video of Priscilla Keller's wedding. It looks like Anna was the Maid of Honor, and Josh was an usher. At the very end of the video, after the bride and groom have left the church, the bridesmaids/groomsmen are exiting. Josh has to bring attention to himself and stops with Anna in front of the alter and kisses her. There were some uncomfortable giggles.

Andrea said...

I think it's hilarious to think about one of the Duggar girls marrying into the Santorum family. It's not just religion which makes these two families polo opposites, but also education. Santorum's wife Karen is an attorney. So yes, she did go on to have 7 or 8 children, but she also have a college degree and a law degree. The Santorum family clearly values higher education, we all know the Duggar’s do not. Basically, the Santorum’s are a typical political family allying themselves with anyone from whom they can get support. I’m sure they really look down on the country hicks that are Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. Good luck to any of the adult Duggar girls if they can get a Santorum’s boy they’d be really marrying up.

Alberta Rose said...

I think it's hilarious to think about one of the Duggar girls marrying into the Santorum family. It's not just religion which makes these two families polo opposites, but also education. Santorum's wife Karen is an attorney. So yes, she did go on to have 7 or 8 children, but she also have a college degree and a law degree. The Santorum family clearly values higher education, we all know the Duggar’s do not. Basically, the Santorum’s are a typical political family allying themselves with anyone from whom they can get support. I’m sure they really look down on the country hicks that are Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. Good luck to any of the adult Duggar girls if they can get a Santorum’s boy they’d be really marrying up.

Not really. They'd be expected to juggle having a large family, their own career, plus being a politician's wife. Also, unlike with TLC, I highly doubt what they say and do will be thoughtfully edited for the viewing audiences.

Marie said...

I've heard a lot of sympathy here for the current and future lives of the Duggar girls, but I think that the boys are looking at a future that is just as bleak. The mob of little Duggar boys may be living a life resembling a permanent summer camp right now, but they will be just as ill prepared for the future as their sisters. At least if the girls end up following their parents' lifestyle they'll be considered successful as long as they are "good" wives and mothers; basically what they're doing right now, but with their own kids. It will be up to their husbands to support the family. The boys will be launched out into the world with no marketable skills and somehow they'll be expected to support a huge family? There's no way Josh could support his family without the Duggar gravy train and that train is fast running out of steam. Is there going to be a house and business available for boy number 7, or 8 or 10? And those littler ones have never known any other life besides the big-money-from-TLC years. At least the older ones can remember the rental house days. There's no way they will all be able to maintain the lifestyle the've become accustomed to, especially with no education and the expectation to have a huge family.
All I can say is those poor, poor kids.

Anonymous said...

I noticed in the video of Josh and Anna talking to a youth group about dating and purity, Josh made a joke about his weight. Then he said something like "keep watching". It sounded like next season Josh and Anna were going to "get fit" for the show. Maybe he is fattening up to make the weight loss that more dramatic. Staged weight loss?

M in MD

ennvee said...

When have they flat out said if you don't believe the way they do, you'll go to Hell? I've had people claim that when I share my testimony because of their perception. The Duggars have said this is how they've chosen to follow the Lord, they are on the media circuit sharing how they walk with the Lord but I've never heard them say nor have I read them flat out saying if you don't follow their way, you will burn in hell.

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Of course they're never going to come straight out and say that, but as followers of Gothard, whose doctrine DOES take this position, they are extensions of his word by their actions. Heck, my parents were what would probably be considered mainstream, leaning conservative, evangelical (but not fundamentalist; the Duggars are both) Christians and even my dad, who was one of those annoying guys handing out bibles on college campuses, etc (he was the head of the local chapter of the Gideons) believed that non-Christians would spend their lives in the eternal hellfires. That's the evangelical hook: heaven or hell?

I know the Duggars' world is very black and white in most aspects, but they have Gothardism down pat. I don't feel as if Michelle is sharing ministry; what she says and her handouts are propaganda tools. Not to get too personal, but it's people like my parents and the Duggars who made me actually look at what the life actually entailed (and it's more than reading the bible and yelling "Praise the Lord" repeatedly at church on Sundays) and chose to live a secular lifestyle. One whose choices (dating, kissing before marriage, pants, no kids, college, etc) would be looked down upon by the Duggars and their ilk as non-Godly.

This does not pertain to most Christians, who live their lives in the world without shoving their opinions down your face without your asking. Remember Josh street preaching in in front of the White House last summer? No one asks for that, but freedom of speech allows it; I'm equally allowed to be offended by it.

Miggy said...

I love the idea of a Jana Duggar catching herself a Santorum. I see Jana as a real life Cinderella. She stays at home doing the housework and caring for the children while her mother swans about "going to the ball" or in this case, speaking events across the country. Doesn't Jana deserve to marry the prince? A Santorum husband would probably encourage her to get an education too.

Alysa said...

To the comment stating that Josie was diagnosed with an allergy to breastmilk, I think she was actually just lactose intolerant. If mommy had given up dairy, she still could have breastfed. (edited for grammar)

sandi said...

I was just wondering if Gothard allows anyone of ANY ethic group to join ATI,and if so,are there any families of other ethnic origins besides caucasion among them? We know they don't want overweight ppl,but what other factors are considered? Does the whole family need to be born again in order to join? Just curious as to the indoctrination of it all.thx

ennvee said...

I know I said she was lactose intolerant. But we're talking Michelle here; she won't give up dairy. She could have gotten her calcium from some other source of food and still expressed milk for Josie.

mom in texas said...

I, like many others, used to admire and adore the Duggars. Yes, I still do watch the show but it is sad to see them change as much as they have. Everything they do is for ratings and TLC. Josh's comment about the families being recognized everywhere they go, is an example of how big this has gotten for them. They believe they are celebrities. It is no longer about ministering to the masses. It is about flaunting their large family and pushing their twisted agenda onto strangers (i.e. handing out tracts, talking to the athiest in Ireland, etc.)

Josie's birth continued to catapult them into the spotlight but once she became "healthy", we see her walking, playing, babbling, and presumably sleeping in the girls room now, it was time for a new attention grabber, pregnancy #20. Unfortunately we see how that turned out. I believe they are desperate for attention and they need something to keep them in the spotlight. Enter the Santroum campaign. I believe they have a motive for everything they do. The Duggars are no longer the conservative Christians who shop at the Goodwill and try to make an honest living. Jim Bob and Michelle have created a media machine that they are determined to keep rolling. Like another poster stated, I feel sorry for the younger bunch as they most likely won't have the public interest and television to profit from. How will they live once they are "normal" again?

Alberta Rose said...

To the comment stating that Josie was diagnosed with an allergy to breastmilk, I think she was actually just lactose intolerant. If mommy had given up dairy, she still could have breastfed. (edited for grammar)

Not all doctors tell women that. Some are just too busy, too meek or too trusting to question what one doctor tells them. Michelle wouldn't have had the time to research, she's too meek to question the doctor and she held the staff in such high esteem, if they told her that such and such formula is the answer, she'd promptely put Josie on it. And no, that has nothing to do with her being a submissive Christian wife, there are plenty of secular women who will say "I put my baby on formula because The Doctor Said So". At least Michelle wouldn't lash out and call you a breastfeeding Nazi if you asked her why she didn't question the doctor.

tulip said...

I agree with mom in texas comments-I was going to write those same things. The Duggars have really given in to "fame", but some in particular are over the top and really need to take a step back and see what they're doing, and even if they don't see it, somebody's got to point out the obvious as to what kind of witness they are as "good Christians". Josh has a huge head that gets bigger by the hour. Michelle is past the point of even looking like she's actively mothering any of the kids anymore. And Cousin Amy just needs to be escorted far, far away from the all that's Duggar spotlight.

The latest episode just a filler consisting of yet another trip or activity that wouldn't be happening if it weren't for TLC footing the bill (Kate G. Anyone?) If ratings are what they want, I actually found myself engaged in the episode where Jim Bob, with all his numerous, huge pieces of equipment attempting to plant fruit trees, was upstaged by a couple of guys with shovels getting the job done in less than half the the time. Now that's entertainment.

roddma said...

"It would be interesting to switch the titles on those worksheets and give the men a lesson in how they can best submit to and glorify their wives. How they need to be meek and humble and rely on their wives for leadership and guidance. Let's tell them that making their own money undermines their wives authority. Oh and let's not forget the physical appearance part! Tell Josh that it's important for him to remain attractive so he can be the husband of Anna's dreams! Oh and let's not forget the physical appearance part! Tell Josh that it's important for him to remain attractive so he can be the husband of Anna's dreams!"

There is a double standard regarding appearance here. According to this leaflet, she is supposed to keep herself attractive. If the head of the house is overweight it is obviously the woman's fault. Remember how the girls kinda felt guilty about Jim Bob's weight?

Mississippi Magnolia said...

Just checked Josh's Instagram account, and I wonder: How many different ways can he take a picture of the sky or the weather and manage to capture the sign on his business with a picture of his wife and family and the phone number too? He is such a transparent idiot.

imaamy said...

Did you see the instagram where he bragged about driving a Hummer to the natural foods store and someone called him on it? She got told not to follow him if she was snarky:)

tulip said...

Josh has his loyal fan club of "defenders" on Instagram, it's so lame how he has people sticking up for him. When he was called on posting that secret service pin pic, there was someone defending him as well with a comment trying to explain away how Josh knows what he's doing, because he's so politically savvy. Utterly laughable...he posts all this stuff and doesn't even bother to counter any critics himself. Well, when your head is that big, I guess you have people to do that kind of thing for you.

Ashley said...

Is anyone else wondering about the Duggars' campaigning and support for Santorum? Obviously, fighting birth control must be their highest priority, because he is Catholic and does not line up doctrinally with them on most things apart from birth control. When the Duggars travel around to speak at churches, they seem always to be Baptist churches (and the more conservative type of Baptist, mostly). On the show, they only recommend Baptist or other fundamentalist writers and pastors. It is interesting to me that they are getting involved in a presidential election (something they easily could have just stayed silent on) for the sake of someone on which they disagree about a lot of biblical and theological issues. But birth control is an issue for Santorum, so they jump in and support him.

Candy Girl said...

I like the Duggars. They are good folks trying to raise good kids to honor the Lord. Nothing wrong with that, in my book. In fact, it's admirable. The reality show probably isn't the best idea, seeing as how they have to now deal with a whole lot of drama because of it, but hey - they signed up for it and you have to take the bad with the good.

I think some of the stuff they believe is stupid, but it's really all in the name of drawing closer to God, so I'm cool with it still. Don't really like that they isolate themselves from people who aren't exactly like them. How is that going to help? Jesus went and ate with the sinners. And yeah, I know they have folks over who aren't like them, but I'm talking about the fact that they don't work on regular jobs, go to regular schools or even regular churches.

Anyway, at least they hang out with Cousin Amy, who - by the way is not good enough for a recording contract. Yeah, she's better than most of us, but come on ... But, then again when you think about it, a lot of "singers" can't really sing, so maybe she is good enough. Go figure ...

Not a fan of the oldest son or his wife, but they have a cute family. Wish them the best. They need to grow up.

That is all.

Alberta Rose said...

I found myself wondering about the baggage Michelle has from a prior relationhip. Does she sometimes wake up from a nightmare about that prior relationship? Is it little things, like being on the campaign trail, seeing a group of cheerleaders and that night a dream broadsides her and she wonders when it will stop. Does she feel like a failure for not being able to let it go despite doing all the "proper" things to move on? Does it hurt her when someone tells her "pray more", "keep busy", let go and let God", "remember what the counsellor/therapit said" (okay that last one is just a theory, but I do know there are Christian therapists). Does she feel hurt that when she told her parents what happened, they didn't respond the way she hoped they would? Does it hurt when someone says "I had something similiar happen" or "You're not the only one" and proceeds to hear what boils down to "get over yourself, that was a long time ago"?

Does she look at her daughters and pray to God they don't go through what she went through? Does she sometimes experience heartache, knowing that she can't win because some people look down on her for wanting to keep her children safe and not experience what she went through? She know she can't go back in time to change, all she can do is learn from the past and do what she feels is best to protect her daughters from having "baggage" and her sons from causing a woman to have baggage.

Andrea said...

I've also been following Josh's Instagram account. OMG - he is so boring. It appears all the guy does is drive around, eat out and shop at Walmart. The kids are cute, but other than the kids it's a snore-fest. I think Josh is (profanity), but I also feel kind of bad for him. He should be out having fun with friends, going to college, etc. Instead he's 23 and saddled to a wife and two kids. I'm a 33 year old women with a husband and child on the way and just getting into that now (staying home and being boring – I mean). He doesn’t know what he’s missing, if he did, he won’t be posting what he thinks are awesome photos on Instagram.

Vera said...

Sometimes people see what they want to see rather than what is really there. I think that is the case with Josh's defenders as with the Duggars' defenders. Maybe if they took off the rose color glasses, they would be as appalled and disgusted as most of us already are.

ennvee said...

Josh had a pic of him gassing up an SUV with no plates (must have just gotten it at the auction he attended a couple of days ago). No big deal, except I did the math and he was doing this at 1am last night!

Why isn't he at home, asleep like the rest of his family on a weeknight? Hitting up the local Hooters (for the wings, of course)? :D

At any rate, this pretty much explains why he can't get his lazy butt into work until noon. When he's at home. He probably gets up at 10, Anna has his he-man breakfast on the table (thanks to whomever coined that during one of the old specials when Jill hands Jim Bob this huge breakfast at 5am while Michelle is laboring away in the SUV before heading off to the hospital). Josh then showers (hopefully), they have 15 minutes of "devotions," and he's off...to take pictures of food, cars (to make fun of liberals) and now the banner above the new business site featuring a pic of the entire family. Talk about pimping out your family's fame for business!

Candy Girl said...

The Duggars need some balance, though. I hope people realize that some of the stuff they do is just their personal belief and is not required by all, according to my Bible.

Storylady said...

Alberta Rose said " I found myself wondering about the baggage Michelle has from a prior relationhip. "
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If Michelle and Jim Bob got married when she was only 17, how serious could her relationships have been at 15 or 16? Jim Bob has mentioned over and over and over again that Michelle had other boyfriends before him (that's plural, so at least 2 guys). Maybe Michelle was the one and only girlfriend he could get so he feels uncomfortable thinking about her spending time with other guys.

ennvee said...

Oh dear. Amy's back on facebook. It appears she re-registered back on Tuesday, just in time for that pitiful episode.

The "liberation" she mentioned when she flounced just could not override her need for attention.

I'm convinced there's a famewhore gene in that family; between Josh, Amy and the biggest ham of all, Jim Bob, there's no other explanation for their constant need to be worshiped, 24/7/365.

Patrice said...

She know she can't go back in time to change, all she can do is learn from the past and do what she feels is best to protect her daughters from having "baggage" and her sons from causing a woman to have baggage.
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But in the Duggars' case, they have taken this to the extreme. Anyone who has done something foolish in the past prays that their children don't do anything that dumb (like driving drunk, or taking drugs to name a few)...But as another poster pointed out, what could Michelle possibly have done at 15 or 16 that she needs to protect her children from? She kissed a boy or two? Who didn't at that age? Wore a bikini to mow the yard? Not a sin. Wore a short cheerleading skirt? Again, nothing wrong with any of it. And her older daughters are not youngsters any more. Keeping 18-22 year olds trapped in a convent-type lifestyle is not doing them any favors. At their age, it is perfectly respectable to date different men, and yes, even kiss more than one. How else will they ever find the mate they really want and not someone Daddy wants for them? It's great if someone falls in love and marries the first person they ever kissed or held hands with, but probably not a realistic goal for most. I have the feeling the Duggars and others of their ilk tell the children they are facing eternal damnation if they so much as touch a member of the opposite sex before marriage. It is not "baggage" to be carried around if one is affectionate with more than one person throughout one's lifetime.

Elvira said...

I think the whole "baggage" thing it born of Gothardism. The worst thing ever told about Michelle is the bikini story. I think that's as much "baggage" as she has. She didn't grow up Gothard. Jim Bob has always been on the conservative side of Southern Baptist.

None of the Gothard followers can be considered "normal" and for them probably anyone not brought up their way is considered to have baggage.

ennvee said...

I think the whole "baggage" thing it born of Gothardism. The worst thing ever told about Michelle is the bikini story. I think that's as much "baggage" as she has.
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Totally cosign 100%. The older kids would have totally different lives if it wasn't for Gothard's legalism that guilts them into feeling immodest if a girl wears pants or a guy goes swimming in anything less than a wetsuit in 100 degree weather, or if you're Jim Bob in the Dead Sea, fully clothed.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that Michelle's normal teenage years before she met Jim Bob are now considered "baggage" and that they use these things to guilt their girls now. My teenage years were much the same down to doing yardwork in a bikini top - and I'm nowhere as well-endowed as Michelle - and Daisy Dukes, and kissing a few guys.

I can't imagine how suppressing what is natural does to one's psyche, especially if one doesn't marry until they're 30. Gothard basically says you work for him or your parents until you marry; how healthy is that if you're in your late 20's? The Recovering Grace site has some real horror stories of young adults who "worked" for Gothard and it was essentially worse than living at home; forced fasting, working 16 hour days while extremely ill, etc.

As bad as it is for the young Duggar women to be slaving at home (cleaning up from their latest trip along with regular household duties) and maybe working on the CLEP tests via the ripoff that is College Minus (they could have purchased prep books cheaply, especially given that they'd be passed down), it's a better life than being directly under Gothard's thumb. He scared the beejezus out of me when he "counseled" at Priscilla Keller's wedding.

Counsel in a nutshell: Bride, you caused the Fall; if your Husband screws up in any way, it's because you're not living a pure life. Talk about a misogynist culture!

Wampascat said...

I can't imagine Michelle having that much " garbage". Who knows what Jim Bob is referring to anyhow? Anything from holding hands to pre-marital sex could be encompassed into what he calls "garbage". He and Michelle have admitted that they kissed before they got married. Gasp! But I guess if you can achieve puberty, you can have a past. It all sounds like a crock of doo doo to me. Jim Bob needs to get a clue.

Penny said...

We know that the Duggars do not celebrate Halloween. They celebrate Thanksgiving big with large number of guests and lots of turkeys. They emphazie the birth of Jesus at Christmes. They decorate their house and give presents. I've wonder how they celebrate Easter. I's sure they emphazie the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I wonder if they do Easter baskets, dye eggs and have Easter egg hunts. With all the young children it would be fun to dye eggs and hunt them on that large property of theirs

ennvee said...

You'd think they'd do the egg thing at Easter since it's representative of Spring and rebirth, which ties it into the Resurrection.

Here's a fun fact I learned from the mother of a micro-preemie. Remember that incident when a Bates boy burst through the Duggar's front door, knocking Josie flat on her back, whacking her head pretty hard on the floor? Many people were surprised at her lack of response; most toddlers who hit their noggins that hard would have been screaming, but Josie just got up and went about her business.

Some surmised that she didn't hit her head very badly, but the poor thing went down HARD and I could never reconcile the fall and her response. Until the mother said that micro preemies often have pretty severe nerve issues; her toddler sliced the bottom of his foot open and didn't even whimper. It was the doctor who then told her of this malady. It also explains why Josie can keep slapping herself in the face and not react to it.

I didn't ask if it's something they outgrow, but I assume it eventually resolves itself.

sandi said...

>Josh had a pic of him gassing up an SUV with no plates (must have just gotten it at the auction he attended a couple of days ago). No big deal, except I did the math and he was doing this at 1am last night!
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yes,I do think Josh is setting himself up for an early mid-life crisis,if he isn't there already.There are things he didn't get to do growing up, and now that he's got some freedom,he's going to swing it his way now;I don't think he's one to be at home and in bed by 10pm or even 11.Poor Anna,I'm sure she's there with the kids,though.(Please note I'm not saying at all that he's running around on her,or that he will).

sandi said...

>I can't wrap my head around the fact that Michelle's normal teenage years before she met Jim Bob are now considered "baggage" and that they use these things to guilt their girls now. My teenage years were much the same down to doing yardwork in a bikini top - and I'm nowhere as well-endowed as Michelle - and Daisy Dukes, and kissing a few guys.

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I know,these are just normal experiences for teens,and something we just all incorporate into our lives.I don't give any of them any thought.Not even my first kiss,which wasn't given to me by my husband,as most aren't for most ppl.No big deal..it's just a kiss.I don't feel like a flower that's been plucked.(But hey,I might if my husb. were out at 1 am).I also did yardwork in my bikini,which was also NBD to me,nor to my parents,as it isn't to most parents.There are all just normal,everyday things.If Michelle and Jim Bob have true hang-ups over such things,esp. at their age,I really,really think they should seek some intense therapy,and I am not kidding.
Moreover though,I think they are just excuses for keeping the kids under their tight control.And as for Jim Bob,I think he can't take it that he wasn't Michelle's first kiss or other such minor things,as she was for him.JMO.

beth anne said...

I'm really curious...what is Michelle's "bikini story"???

Mississippi Magnolia said...

You just can't convince me that Josh and/or all of the other Duggars don't get free meals in exchange for Josh's posts of food pictures and restaurant names. He does it far too often. And isn't that just too darned SAD?!

Ashley said...

I think that Michelle and Jim Bob's harping on "baggage" may be genuine because they have said it to themselves so many times that they believe it. They are in a religious system that emphasizes legalistic rules and guilt (especially for women) and not grace and using your brain, so they have a story to match. A useful side effect is the fact that it is a handy tool to control and shame daughters and scare them into not wanting to leave home or seek anything other than raising siblings and then giving birth to a bunch of kids of their own someday. It doesn't work a lot of the time (for example, several of Anna's siblings have rejected that way of life), but so far, it has worked very well on all the Duggars.

sandi said...

Michelle's bikini story,as far as I know,was simply that she mowed the yard in one in her tens yrs,and regrets it deeply now.I guess it is considered too much skin exposure for her,although at the time,she didn't have a problem with it.No clue why it would bother her now.It was so long ago.I don't think one should live in the past like that..she did nothing wrong.
She also quit cheerleading,something she really seemed t enjoy,because of her newfound beliefs.I guess the outfits were showing too much skin? She doesn't specify with that one.

hello said...

According to Michelle, she was mowing the lawn in her bikini and it caused her married next door neighbor to get a divorce from his wife. I wonder now if she happened to mention it to Jim Bob and he told her it was all her fault. It would explain why she requested her knees be blacked out when she was being filmed wakeboarding. Can't have some man lusting after her knees. It doesn't explain why they have no problem with showing births in the hospital and on toilets.
It might also explain why when they are out the girls have to be on the lookout for immodestly dressed women and yell NIKE when they see one so the boys know to look down, because if the boys saw a woman not dressed to their standards it of course would be the girl's faults.

Betty said...

Personally, I think Michelle takes too much upon herself thinking her little lawn mowing caused a divorce. I mean really? Does even sound rational?

Stephanie said...

I think Michelle's so called baggage, is nothing more than 2nd base, if that. Geez, she got married at 17 and certainly knew him 6 months or a year prior. I feel like the baggage story is an exageration AND its Michelle & Jimbob that couldn't keep their hands off each other. (Normal good looking teens in love) I DO understand that, so they got married. Same as millions of couples everyday with some religious guilt that marry young.

I am going to throw this out there and I really would love response. After 7 years on TV and telling their story, they used birth control for 3/4 years before having Josh. So from Michelles age 17 to 21 that is maybe 2 or 3 possible pregnancies that Michelle missed out on, and 36 to 48 menstrual cycles with the potential for a pregnancy. Why haven't they called themselves out on all those wasted eggs that passed through Michelle's system, unfertilized? Don't they regret not dumping Birth Control immediately? I have never heard them say that, ever. But if WE, this blog, bring it up, give it some time and it will be answered on camera. Yes Jordyn can speak really well, right Michelle?

Stephanie said...

That is incredible! I have never heard that story. MICHELLE HAS ONE BIG EGO PEOPLE! That really is sickening. NO WAY neighbors divorced over that. How did this woman worped brain come to that conculsion? A neighbors divorce being about HER?
Michelle' ego is sinful in my opinion. It really burns me up. Sick twisted.

Lia said...

I don't think Michelle claimed she caused a divorce. She said something like, "no wonder the neighbors didn't like us". I still think its silly how obsessed they are with talking about their modesty. Although sometimes I think the producers just ask them about their modesty just to be annoying. I seriously despise the producers of this show.

tulip said...

Yes, in Gothardland the female is at fault for whatever issue the male is dealing with, or causing him to stumble. But, they must keep themselves attractive to their own man at all times, like caking on the makeup, use a black Sharpie for eyeliner, keeping the curling iron plugged in and get moving on that elliptical. All the while, the husband is free to stuff his face, take pics and post them for all to see, just to enhance the experience. Life is sweet.

sandi said...

I am going to throw this out there and I really would love response.
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I don't know about the 2-3 possible pregnancies she missed out on,but....I do think they deeply regret not having started sooner on the baby marathon,so as to be able to reach no. 20more easily.And if Josh and Anna should decide to slow down their baby-making,I beleive Michelle and Jim Bob would use this angle and this approach to persude them to keep having more kids.No necessarily in terms of numbers,just just that they regret not having started sooner.

Alberta Rose said...

Teenage girls do have bad things happen to them. It's not just crime dramas or after school specials bad things occur, there are real girls who have real bad experiences. Some cope through denial, some cope through drugs and alcohol, some cope through religion. Part of me wishes I didn't have an ephiphany regarding why Michelle might be the way she is. It is more comforting to agree that she's probably just exaggerating or dramtizing something that happened and using it to justify a parenting style that Mainstream Society finds unpalatable.

sandi said...

>It is more comforting to agree that she's probably just exaggerating or dramtizing something that happened and using it to justify a parenting style that Mainstream Society finds unpalatable.
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If Michelle truly had a traumatizin experince,I can understand that.However,I doubt it as well.If Jim Bob cold elaborate more on the 'baggage' instead of just referring to it (or HIM,as in,her boyfriend at the time,IMO) that would be helpful.As it stands,I get the feeling he just enjoys referring to her former boyfriend as 'baggage'.

heavennoseven said...

We will see more of them in Summer show. Josh says on his instargam

joshduggar Shooting TLC network promos today with a 20 person "real" film crew!

ennvee said...

Michelle never said anything BAD happened to her, just that she kissed a couple of guys and mowed the lawn in a bikini top and Daisy Dukes, defrauding some neighbors (in 20/20 hindsight). Hope the link works. Looks like TLC was at the Duggar compound today taping summer promos. Not quite sure how they're going to implement the door. Maybe there's a blue or pink cake back there; Anna is as big as a house...either she's eating as much food as Josh or she knows the gender of the baby she'll have during next summer's apparent season. Frankly, what else do they have going right now other than the campaign trail? http://web.stagram.com/p/145025938319041366_5173671 More election news to come on Monday (today as you read). The bus is off to Alabama for a rally in the morning.

Wampascat said...

I thinks perhaps twenty was always the magic number that theyhad in mind. They're in panic mode now that it appears they may never reach it; probably even more so now that The Bates are a comin'. Lol

Vera said...

If Michelle did experience some sort of trauma...her "baggage"...then in the spirit of encouraging others it would be nice if she disclosed this. So many young women experience things that they never talk about so maybe if she talked about it, she could encourage others to talk about it too. At the very least she should talk to her children about it so that they understand where she is coming from.

However, I sincerely doubt that is the issue. Jim Bob comes off as so incredibly insecure that I would imagine he has to refer to her previous boyfriend(s) as "baggage" in order to feel better about his lack of such "baggage." Can't have the women-folk more experienced than their headship.

Vera said...

At first I thought...how seriously full of oneself must you be to think that you caused a divorce by mowing the lawn in a bikini top. But then I thought about it in terms of Gothard doctrine and it all makes sense. Men can't control themselves so it is the woman's duty to do it for them...which really should make the divorce the man's wife's fault...right? Of course, insecure Jim Bob could never let that be the case...so much better to have Michelle carry that guilt along with her other "baggage."

Gothard perspectives almost give me a headache trying to apply logic to a system that is so clearly devoid of any.

Porcupine Pie said...

Wow, check out Michelle's skirt on Josh's instagram, I've never seen her in that length. And what's with the red door?

I've also been thinking about this........How can the Duggars and Bateses align themselves with TLC in the first place? I know they don't watch TV and I can respect that, but do they know about the absolute crap that TLC airs? Sister Wives, My Strange Addiction, Long Island Medium, etc.? Drinking urine, having intimate relations with your car? If they are so against TV, why are they ON it? Oh yeah, I know, to "encourage" people.

Patrice said...

"I thinks perhaps twenty was always the magic number that theyhad in mind. They're in panic mode now that it appears they may never reach it; probably even more so now that The Bates are a comin'."
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And the Bates baby is over 40 days old now so you know they are trying for number 20 already.
Kelly seems to be in better health and younger looking than Michelle so I can see them actually achieving it too. Poor Michelle-the gig is up, lady!

Pippa said...

The Duggars were down in "my neck o' the woods" (Alabama) this morning, on the campaign trail with
Rick Santorum. Jim Bob and Grandma and Jill were all on "The Rick and Bubba Show" - a syndicated radio morning talk show, and Jim Bob was touting one of their books - a new one (?): A Love That Multiplies (or something like that).

sandi said...

If Jim Bob had any 'baggage',I'm sure he would be devoid of it by now,and it would never be mentioned again,not by anyone,esp not his own family.But I kind of doubt it,seeing as he appears insecure about Michelle's past.
That said,I am really weary of the Duggars and actually looking fwd to seeing more of the Bates now.

Alberta Rose said...

If Michelle did experience some sort of trauma...her "baggage"...then in the spirit of encouraging others it would be nice if she disclosed this. So many young women experience things that they never talk about so maybe if she talked about it, she could encourage others to talk about it too. At the very least she should talk to her children about it so that they understand where she is coming from.

Children don't need to know full details of what happened. For that matter not everyone needs to know. People complain that the Duggars can reveal too much . Some times it's kinder to just use a tactful word like "baggage", or to say "I made some mistakes when I was young" or I had some bad stuff happen. Here's what I learned from it." without going into great detail. There are certain societal attitudes that are just as prevalent now as they were in the early 80's when Michelle would have been in high school. You can say something bad happened without going talk showish about it.

Sharla said...

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Tulip said...

With all the big heads, it's all about competition...I don't think we've ever seen Michelle in a knee-length skirt, she's probably trying to look younger and more modern while Kelly Bates is accustomed to the sleeveless jumper over a tee shirt or mock turtleneck. Likewise The Duggar girls will probably be stepping up the Aeropostale and American Eagle with overly distressed jean skirts and flip flops, while The Bates will stick to the traditional polos and non-denim. Oh, and by all means, don't forget that The Duggars (+Anna ) will no doubt keep up the heavy makeup with an abundance of cheap cosmetics. Of course Josh purposely posted the TLC shots of the summer promo, with the "red door". They want everybody to talk about THEIR show, and what better way to keep them all guessing as to what The Duggars will do next. (maybe Anna will walk through the door finally exposing her pregnant self, and Josh will be sporting a Weight Watchers logo tee shirt and filming a commercial at the same time).

Wampascat said...

New clothes for Michelle?? Wow, maybe they read that everyone was sick of seeing the green and blue blouses. Red Door? Who knows? Elizabeth Arden giving all the girls a makeover??? Snort!

Ally said...

Does anybody know of a website where I can watch these episodes? I'm a student with no TV, and can't find them on Youtube...

Thanks in advance!

Sharla said...

This link is for a purely fan site:
http://duggarsblog.blogspot.com/

Look to the top right and there you can link to at least some of the episodes.

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tulip said...

Hey all...just more proof IMO this blog gets the attention it deserves-Josh has a link to their site ja20 on his Instagram, and when clicked on you'll find he's finally updated it (after, oh, only over a year). I've mentioned upteen times (as have others commented) that Josh has no problem posting ridiculous, worthless pics on Instagram daily, boasting about food and politics, but can't even bother to take the time to update his own family's website. Well, I guess they need to keep things on the up and up now that The Bates are next door competition. Curious as to what the ratings were for the special, since I'm sure Swerve and Serve tanked.

Ally said...

Apparently, according to the Duggars, 7 billion+ people could fit within the city limits of Jacksonville. Oh, and they're still going with "buy used a save the difference" facade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzXlk6Z97o&feature=player_embedded

closetDfan said...

Just watched a video clip of the episode when Josie and Michelle were stuck in Arkansas because there were 11 or 12 kids with chicken pox. Out of her mouth comes, " for the first 2 years of little Josie's life she will be living in a bubble". It looks like she was not serious about this due to the transcontinental trip little Josie was on prior to her 2nd birthday! 2 years of life does not mean 1 year and 9 months. Oh and the Duggars are too good for the chicken pox vaccine? What other vaccines have they opted out of?

ennvee said...

Instagram update today. Back home from Alabama and the camera crew is everywhere while they're eating take-out Chinese. I can't imagine how bad Chinese food (or what they consider Chinese food) is in their neck of the woods.

I guess this confirms there's another season in the works. Eating Chinese food. At least it looks like Josie is eating some solids, which is good. Otherwise, snore.

tulip said...

Also caught on Instagram, Michelle in a knee-length skirt and black tights again...what's with the sudden shorter skirts?, and Jim Bob is allowing it?

Michigander1969 said...

Just for the record, many people opt out of the chicken pox vaccine (including my family). There are families totally disagree with the Duggars lifestyle and choose to not accept all vaccines!
The vaccine issue is a whole other can of worms!
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closetDfan said...
Oh and the Duggars are too good for the chicken pox vaccine? What other vaccines have they opted out of?

tulip said...

Yes, the vaccines issue is another can of worms, but I wonder what they're taught in Gothardland. And, did The Duggars take all their kids to the recommend well-baby/child visits (there's about 6 in the first year alone) Just wondering, since with Josie, obviously they were really strict about keeping every check-up, and, in one episode I remember the doc telling Michelle Josie would be ready for some immunizations at the next visit. Now, they seems to have put everything aside-traveling the world before she was even two, getting bumped, knocked over, and yes, hauled around like a sack of potatoes.

Elvira said...

Based on Josh's recent instagram photo of Josie eating Chinese food, she seems to have avoided the oral aversion common to many micropreemies.

Stephanie said...

I guessed that too the first week on the campaign trail. Jimbob has no shame asking for free food from hard working minimum wage employees who work an actual schedule and have to show up to work on time everyday for a crummy but honest living. I have always heard the phrase "honest living" I have never really thought about what makes a dishonest living except criminals. But does Jimbob make an honest living? Is selling out your family on TV in the name of God asking for free, furniture, house materials, grand piano, decorator, buses, vacations, gasoline, while people wait on you to show up is that an honest living? It makes me think.

heavennoseven said...

I am surprised they give Josie take out if she has allergies to milk products? Does she eat whatever food is made even does have milk?

Techymum said...

One of Josh's Instagram pictures is labelled "wrapping up at 1:30 a.m." they seem to be working on a web video. For all those who think these kids on reality shows are not working - have a look. THe fact that parents have their own kids working until those hours leaves me with no words.

Elvira said...

What I remember hearing was that Josie was lactose intolerant which is not the same as a milk allergy. Children can "grow out of" lactose intolerance.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

About the kids being up til 1:30am, I don't think this is anything out of the ordinary. They'd like you to think that the littlest kids are put to bed at 8 or 9pm but I guarantee you the whole house is going til at least 2am (when Michelle supposedly has "heart to heart" talks with the girls), and that those little kids just sleep wherever they drop...whether that's in a bed, a chair or on the floor. Why else do you think they sleep in street clothes?(and get up at 10am)

heavennoseven said...

I wish Josh would stop taking pictures when driving. Is texting when driving even legal were he lives?

Vera said...

I have my doubts about Josie's supposed lactose intolerance. I'm lactose intolerant and have been since birth. The side effects just aren't as dire as what it seems that Josie has suffered. Of course if they admitted she had something seriously wrong then they would have to figure how to spin it as God's will.

She isn't out of the woods yet anyway. Children can still be diagnosed with a developmental delay through at least the first five years of life. I hope she will not have any lasting effects but given her tender gestational age at birth, it isn't likely that she will be completely unscathed.

sandi said...

I don't think the Duggars seem to worry too much about developmental delays,they just seem to go with them,IMO,such as the younger girls not talking very well.They don't seem to be doing anything about it,and since they're homeschooled,I guess it's easy to avoid getting help,it would seem.I could be wrong but that's JMO.

heavennoseven said...

Josh made a web video 19 Reasons and Counting to vote for Rick. It will be out later


http://web.stagram.com/p/149120097984274622_5173671

Miggy said...

The severity of lactose intolerance varies. Josie seems to fall at the more severe end of the scale. I am surprised at how, in the last six months, the Duggars seem to just treat her like the others. Didn't Josie have a perforation in her digestive system early on, as well as the lactose intolerance? Now they seem to just let her eat whatever is going? Participate in every activity going including an overseas trip? Let even the little kids cart her around? Perhaps I am wrong but there seems to be an attitude that Josie is "better" now, as if once she reached that magical "2" all premmie problems would end.

Lindy said...

Yes I think in one of the episodes, it was mentioned that Josie has a perforation in her digestive system or floating intestines that needed to be fixed with surgery when she gets older. I do find it rather odd that the Michelle and Jim Bob do not take better care of her, or at least cook healthier foods for her (less starchy, less processed, etc). The pic of her on Josh's instagram just showed her eating the same greasy foods as everyone else, and I so wanted to cringe.
Just because she reaches the magical age of 2 years doesn't mean that all is well with Josie. She should be evaluated by speech therapists, have her hearing tested again, have play dates with other children her age, to help her catch up faster.

londonbridges said...

It bothers me, too, that Josie seems to be "all better" now that she has reached age two. With the digestive problems and issues she has had, perhaps she should be eating less processed foods, less fatty foods, fewer chemicals and preservatives found in take-out food and fast food. Considering that Josie is introduced as their 'miracle baby' they don't seem to cherish her, both with her diet, and the big brothers carting her around unsafely. JMHO.

Hannah said...

They are too busy campaigning etc to help Josie. I feel so bad for that girl. I don`t think her buddy has time to give her a special diet etc.

I wonder that if Josie spent the first two years of life with a mom and a buddy. Would things be different?

Andrea said...

Apprently the Duggar daughters are currently working on a book entitled: "Growing Up Duggar"


I don't imagine that it will stray from any of the other material they release / publish about themselve.

tulip said...

A book "Growing Up Duggar"? Just more damage control, like the last book...oh, and a way for Jim Bob to bring in more cash, since these YOUNG ADULTS!, won't see any of it-they're still under Dad''s authority (until of course they get a new authority-i.e. Gothard-hubby.)

Just Me said...

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/15/homeschooled_and_illiterate/

Good article that relates not only to the SODRT but also to recent discussions about Joy Anna. Most of the article is about Quiverfull families homeschooling and about halfway through they talk about how girls are given a different education then boys at puberty. Aimed more towards "the kitchen and the nursery". Hmmmm. Sound like a family we know?

Stephanie said...

Sorry for another post. My guess is Jimbob is the official spiritual counsel for the Santorum campaign. This guy has a lot of nerve. Chicago editorial pegged the Duggars very well in an article camparing the Duggars to Clooney saying that regular people like us really don't care what celebs campaign for. I personally have never voted for someone because George Clooney said so, but I might NOT vote for Santorum because of the Duggars. Go figure.

Wampascat said...

So everyone....who will announce the next pregnancy (besides Josh and Anna)? Will it be the Duggars or the Bates?

Stephanie said...

On the campaign video, Jordyn says a grand total of 2 words, "game on". That's it. At 3 years and 3 monts old she can get fed her lines and all they can get is "game on"?
Mackenzie, who is not yet 3 years old, can put together full sentences and her speech is articulate. Due to being with mama all the time I am sure. Jordyn truely gets the bare minimum of care. Food, 2nd or 3rd hand clothing, a diaper change and a bath from Joyanna and that's about it. Jennifer, Johanna, and Jackson I guess are where she is picking up the few words she can say.
Josie says "I Love Rick" something weird about that. Why would she "love" this man that is a stranger? Just seems strange to me. Please get Josie and Jordyn some speech therapy and Josie physical and occupational therapy.

tulip said...

So even when Josh is at home, he continues to eat out at restaurants and takes pics of the food? After, of course, he feels the need to show a photo of a tow and comment about how he's "working". Sorry, we're not buying it...just more for the dog-and-pony show.

Wampascat said...

I hope Josh gets his fill of eating out. When the show ends I don't think they'll be eating out much . I don't imagine selling the high mileage clunkers he has on his car lot will bring in much money. It'll be back to Aldi's no name flats of canned goods and buying used to save the difference. As for taking the pics of fast food, very immature. Is he bragging or something? Who cares what he ate ate Chik-Fil-A?

tulip said...

If there is another pregnancy for Michelle or Kelly, which at this point seems like it would be really unlikely, I say Kelly since she takes "supplements". But then again, who knows?, what with Michelle making sure to get in her me-time preparing herself special super-protein meals, working out on her birthday present and taking loads of vitamins. Maybe she'll even add a new "vitamin" to the mix, courtesy of Kelly.
Anyway, if there is another pregnancy for either of them, I'd hope they wouldn't announce it until after the baby would be able to survive outside the womb.

ennvee said...

Michelle did a radio interview with the American Family Assn. today. Lowlight: apparently, they've cornered the market on how to grieve properly; the rest of us have been doing it WRONG since time immemorial. Even lower: the AFA is on the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of institutions that have positions designed to subjugate a certain faction of society. In their case, it's women. They have every right to their opinions; I have every right to call them out as people who do not value women aside from how many children they can have and how well they (or their daughters) keep house for the menfolk. Well, off to practice the "proper" way to grieve. :D

sandi said...

nothing surprises me anymore;the Duggars are always drawing a line in the sand between themselves and the rest of society,as if their way is the best and only way.

Alberta Rose said...

If there is another pregnancy for Michelle or Kelly, which at this point seems like it would be really unlikely, I'd hope they wouldn't announce it until after the baby would be able to survive outside the womb.

CONGRATS!!!! I do believe you just cleared up the mystery regarding why if Anna Duggar is pregnant, it hasn't been announced yet.

tulip said...

Yep, Josh & Anna keeping the pregnancy under wraps-literally. Someone's comments who saw her on the campaign trail was she was wearing multiple layers plus a jean jacket long enough to skim her profile (or at least attempting to!)

New Instagram pic of "Family Church" shows, by the looks of Josh's face, he's gained yet another 5 pounds in the last week. Is that Josiah behind Jinger?-he looks like a cardboard cut-out.

rcadra2 said...

Google Josh and Anna Duggar and look at their wedding photos. Josh has gotten huge - he really has some chipmunk cheeks. They've only been married about three and a half years. He must have gained 50 lbs.

Alberta Rose said...

Mackenzie, who is not yet 3 years old, can put together full sentences and her speech is articulate. Due to being with mama all the time I am sure.

I agree. Women should be encouraged to stay at home, bond with their child or children because that's the best way to prevent late talking. That's part of the reason why the Duggar girls are being raised the way they are, to ensure their children grow up to be articulate, glib talkers.

Wampascat said...

Jordyn and Josie are in serious need of speech therapy. Jordyn is alarmingly behind in her speech skills and Josie should have been getting occupational and speech therapy for many months due to her pre-maturity. Poor little Jordyn has really been neglected. She would be better off in a nursery school every day where she wouldnt get lost in the shuffle. It's shameful, really. I don't blame her buddy. I do blame her mother and father.

Betty said...

All micro-preemies cared for at Arkansas Children's are evaluated for services. Not all of them qualify for all services. Arkansas is not a rich state and is suffering considerably at the moment in the area of social services. It could be that Josie does not make the cutoff for state provided services so that the money could be spent for those not walking, not talking, and with oral aversion who are not eating. That she may be behind is not the factor. What is the factor is she far enough behind compared to the others. None of us have evaluated Josie in a clinical setting against fixed developmental standards to know what if anything she in fact needs.

Wampascat said...

Well, I suppose Jim Bob wouldnt be able to use his celebrity clout to get free therapy for the girls. He certainly wouldn't pay out of pocket. Not when there are big boy toys to buy...

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Hannah said...

Josh has a picture of Mack riding in the FRONT SEAT. I hope he didn`t even move. However, even if he was just parked if someone hit them from behind. It could be a very tragic day.


On, a second note. I heard the girls are writing a book "Growing Up Duggar" any one know about this?

Anonymous said...

I've learned in my long life that comparing children is usually a lesson in futility. Each child learns and grows at their own rate. Mackenzie may be very large for her age plus she has different parents so a different genetic makeup. Josie is technically five months younger than Mackenzie since she was more than three months early.

Small does not equal fragile or learning disabled. For all we know Josie was going to be a small child with or without her early birth.

tulip said...

Josie does look really small next to Mackynzie but I think Mack is probably a little on the bigger side of the growth curve. I haven't seen her in person, but it just seems like she's more "stocky".
There's a couple mentions a few posts earlier about "Growing Up Duggar". Most likely more damage control, plus the opportunity to rake in more cash.
Josh posting the pic of his steak for dinner is gross!-a new all time low. Not to mention the pic of himself with Santorum? Wow, just shows how overweight he is. Santorum is slim, but Josh really puts himself into perspective with his face being so puffed up.

Betty said...

I believe that Jim Bob has set aside money for each child (as Michelle stated in an interview) just as much as I believe that John David is going to be a helicopter pilot and Josh is going to be a lawyer. Talk is cheap.

Mississippi Magnolia said...

I just - FINALLY - watched David and Priscilla's wedding on their page, and here are my thoughts:

1) What a beautiful wedding dress!

2) Priscilla absolutely glowed and seemed to be anxiously awaiting the wedding night!

3) I have never seen a more solicitous groom as David was of his bride.

4) Anna is absolutely pregnant.

5) How crude of Jim Bob and Michelle to get positioned closer to the bride and groom during the prayer than even the bride's parents.

6) And finally - How absolutely CRASS of Josh to try to steal his sister-in-law's thunder by grabbing Anna and kissing her on the way out! Is he an ass or what?

Ally said...

Women should be encouraged to stay at home, bond with their child or children because that's the best way to prevent late talking. That's part of the reason why the Duggar girls are being raised the way they are, to ensure their children grow up to be articulate, glib talkers.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree here. Women shouldn't be encourage to just stay home and be a housewife. They should be encouraged to have a career if they want, get an education if they want to, etc...
As the child of a full-time working mother and father, I turned out just fine - well articulate, I was a "typical" talker when I was little, and pretty outspoken now as a successful college student. And, I don't think the Duggar girls are being raised to ensure their children are articulate, since they aren't always articulate, and have atrocious grammar. Rather, the Gothardite Duggars see a woman's place as being in the home as a mother and complacent wife.

February said...

There are two things that keep bothering me about the public perception of the Duggars. The first is that the kids are well behaved. I just don't see them as that amazingly well behaved. They seem normal to me, even wild. They are allowed to do things in public that I would never allow my kids to do. Then we here Michelle shrug it off with something to the effect of "little ones have so much energy". Makes me roll my eyes every time.

I am also tired of the thought that the Duggars aren't judgemental. The Duggars are extremely judgmental in my opinion. They always say things like "other families do this, we do that", "other people dress like this, we dress like that". Newsflash, that is judgment! They are saying those things aren't good enough for them. This family assumes that all non Gothard families are not modest, not into family values, not into the lives of their kids, not understanding how amazing it is that they have 19 kids.

sandi said...

On that note,I would like to say that I treasure my kids so much that I only had 2 of them! How about that one,Duggars? :)

Anonymous said...

Anna is pregnant and the announcement will come April 3.

ennvee said...

Women should be encouraged to stay at home, bond with their child or children because that's the best way to prevent late talking. That's part of the reason why the Duggar girls are being raised the way they are, to ensure their children grow up to be articulate, glib talkers.

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Staying at home with your children guarantees none of these things. In fact, as far as the Duggars are concerned, a strong argument to the contrary can be made. Their 3 and 4 year olds are talking far beneath where they should be. The only kid who appears to be articulate is Jeremiah; he was the only kid who was not all mush-mouthed when speaking in that political spot that Josh made.

That's great, but another problem arises from the Duggars' lifestyle: have these kids ever had an original thought, and if they do, how is it handled? I heard Michelle live on a radio show today and of course the calls are screened and all you get out of her is the same, scripted crap we've heard from her since their first special, including how she and Jim Bob met.

She did go off-script in one way: she trashed Jim Bob's father, who isn't here to defend himself, saying he wasn't the family's "spiritual leader" and that he was responsible for the foreclosure of a house and many other grievances. She never would have dared said this stuff to his face when he was alive, but I always had a feeling that he was a nominal Christian at best (remember him being quoted as saying he really didn't like the idea of having all of those kids, even though they were his own grandkids). I wonder if Jim Bob and Michelle saw that, resented it, and that horrible scene with Grandpa in the office chair with a slipper dangling off his foot (with no control of the scene) was a revenge of sorts for the childhood Jim Bob has acknowledged as "rough."

Imagine if inarticulate Jill said what Michelle did! Or pompous Josh, who is articulate - in his own mind. John David and Joseph barely speak and when they do, I wish they hadn't. Josiah, now officially out of school and working with them, is regressing.

Glib? That requires quick thinking which none of them possess because they're so bound to the Gothard script.

tulip said...

The notion of the kids being all so well-behaved goes way back to the first specials, and those kids (who are now grown-up) actually were. The newest young ones are not anywhere near that standard, but Jim Bob & Michelle continue to want that image to be promoted. As a matter of fact, when they were on Anderson, they showed all the kids gathered live, watching on, and Anderson made a comment how well-behaved all the kids are-it definitely looked and sounded like he was told to mention that, not a genuine observation on his part.

And I really just cringe everytime I hear some interviewer asking "how do you take care of and manage 19 kids?" UGH! For one thing, 9 of those 'kids' are 14 and older, one of whom is married with 2 kids of his own! And, if you know anything about Duggarville, you'll know that those older kids are the ones taking care of the younger ones. What does Michelle actually do?-that's the question that should be asked. Afterall, she doesn't even prepare the meals, and leaves Grandma Duggar to keep up with the laundry.

Just like Kate G.-fame has set in, so any responsibilities that mom may have had have been delegated so mom is free to parade around to conferences, speaking engagements and book signings all the while making sure her clothes are exactly how she wants them and hair perfectly coifed.

As a side note, maybe Jordyn's speech isn't where it should be because she's still treated like a baby-in the "loss" episode, Jordyn is shown (just turning 3 years old) still sucking on one of those disposable-liner bottles filled with milk.

Wampascat said...

I think Michelle gets out of most of the work by using the " pregnancy" card,especially the last few pregnancies because she was considered high risk. Now that the baby factory is grinding to a halt, she is going to have to get off her behind and do something. I also think that to keep the show going, Jim Bob will consider letting the older girls start courting, especially since there will be no more new babies for Michelle. That's not to say that he and Michelle aren't still trying to conceive. I believe they are trying, desperately.

Stephanie said...

You are so correct. I think 5 are over 18 so they aren't minors who require true to form childcare. 4 of those live at home with household duties, plus the older teenagers, plus Grandma the slave for some reason. Speaking of grandmothers, Michelle is NO KIND OF GRANDMOTHER. Why does grandma put up with them? As a matter of fact my mother was only emergency help only, she would say to me and my sister "you had them, now your raise them". Kinda harse but she has a point.

ennvee said...

I read elsewhere that the Duggars will be on the Today Show sometime next week, but don't see it in my guide. If anyone can check/confirm, that would be great.

Especially since this is obviously the pregnancy announcement we've all known was coming for at least two months.

Wampascat said...

I just don't get it. Why is a couple having their third child a newsworthy event? I understand that Josh is one of the "nineteen", but so what? Let's not blow up Josh's head to match his waistline.

tulip said...

Yes-yet another "we're expecting" announcement has to be made sometime soon since Anna is humongo by now. Oh Josh has made sure to snap plenty of pics of his wife, from the neck up or sitting with something or someone right in front of baby bump #3. Anna's probably making her eyeliner even darker now to draw attention away from the puffiness of her face.

I won't be able to stand watching Ann Curry fawn all over them, fumbling over the same old scripted questions and required comments about blessings, managing the daily routines and accepting whatever it is that God sees fit for their lives.

Hannah said...

Josh was in Wisconsin bowling with Rick. He even posted his scores.

Crazy Train said...

I was on the fence about Anna being pregnant (all that eating out campaigning, y'know) but now I'm sure. I saw a picture of her today, from another site, and I bet that's why they are doing the Today show next week.

I guess they had to air the miscarriage epi before someone started crowing about a pregnancy. Gag.

You know what I'd like to see? One of the older kids moving out, working in the real world, not a job controlled by JimBob (like Josh). A wedding would be great, heck even a courtship! What about Jana, John, or Jill? Hook up with some of the Bates kids!

sandi said...

Given that the Duggars are usually more than anxious to announce the next pregnancy,what excuse will Josh and Anna give for waiting so long to announce this one?any good guesses,anyone?

sandi said...

How on earth does Josh get away with all the traveling and nonsense he does all the time? doesn't he have a family to raise and a wife to take care of? I feel for poor Anna.The men of Gothard get to do pretty much whatever they want,while the women get the lone burden of caring for the family.JMO.

londonbridges said...

I'm not sure why a couple expecting their third child is news-worthy either. It is my opinion that the Duggar families truly believe they are celebrities, and deserve no less. I for one will not watch the 'announcement' ad nauseum.

three_kids said...

Well, this picture certainly makes it seem like we can be expecting a pregnancy announcement this week on The Today Show:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rcyo2xQurU4/T3Yi8dlbMII/AAAAAAAAB0A/m_aHv8-EAgU/s1600/IMG9054-411-L.jpg

I wonder if they will say they were waiting to find out the gender as a reason for delaying in publicising the pregnancy?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Someone I post with on a non-Duggar board, and who lives in the Duggars' town (and is an excellent source of correct information), says that the rumors among her friends are that Michelle is pregnant. Take that as you will.