Tuesday, February 21, 9:30 PM, 40 Kids, Oh My!

It's rare to find a family as big as the Duggars! Watch two big families collide when the Vanderhoffs visit the Duggars. And while Jim Bob is home playing host, Michelle hits the road to visit her best friend of 39 years and speaks at a Moms' Meeting.

(30 minutes)

50 comments:

Nikki said...

This episode has already been done at least twice.

Alberta Rose said...

No, because this time when Michelle is visiting her friend, her friend goes into labour. I think we're going to discover why TCL cameras happened to be there for the birth of the Bates' baby.

Krissy said...

I don't have experience with disabled children, but wouldn't it be extremely uncomfortable to have special needs and be in a strange house that doesn't have the equipment to facilitate daily rituals?

I mean half the Duggar kids apparently don't have beds to sleep in and crash on the floor. How are they going to accomodate kids with physical limitations?

Say what? said...

"No, because this time when Michelle is visiting her friend, her friend goes into labour. I think we're going to discover why TCL cameras happened to be there for the birth of the Bates' baby."

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Hunh? Wasn't the Bates baby born just a week or so ago? I assume this trip of Michelle's was from the fall sometime... before the whole Jubilee spectacle.

Alberta Rose said...

LOL! I'll plead guilty, with TLC doing a less than stellar editing job, can you blame me for thinking they might jump ahead? I like the show but ugh, the February 14th episode was one of the worst editing jobs I've seen. Yet another reason why I wish they'd cut to the chase, have a one hour special about the pregnancy, miscarriage and memorial service, and create some new episodes.

ennvee said...

This was filmed last September before the Duggars left for their trip. That family was shown a little bit on the first of the trip specials. It was explained then that the family was going to be housesitting for the Duggars.

Michelle is not going to Kelly Bates. She is visiting a friend she has known for 30 years. They have only known the Bateses for about 10 years and when the Bateses were first featured on the show, they said they hadn't visited in 7 years.

Michelle was on the Santorum circuit in Florida (as well as Zach, Erin and Alyssa Bates) the week that Kelly had the baby.

Dar said...

You can guarantee that Michelle won't be around for this fiasco. She is hardly around for her 19. I guess the girls will have to handle it.

I think it is absolutely ridiculous. It is just for the cameras. It is a formula for disaster with all those kids running around.

Alberta Rose said...

BTW, is special needs now an all encompassing term regardles of whether the "need" is a physical disability such as crutches, wheelchair, missing limb or low functioning Autism, Aspergers, AD/HD? The only visible special need I saw in the trailer was a girl using crutches to get around. It's easy to teach a child how to respond to the first set but a whole lot harder to teach them how to respond to the "A" syndromes (or whatever is the politically correct term this month for Autism, Aspergers and Ad/hd).

LilBit0318 said...

"The only visible special need I saw in the trailer was a girl using crutches to get around."

I could be wrong since it's been probably a couple of days or so since I saw the promo, but I think I remember seeing a child who appeared to have Down Syndrome, too. So I suppose there's some mix of kids with physical & intellectual/developmental "special needs" there.

Hot August Night said...

I wonder what the Vanderhoffs would think of Josh's "short-bus" jokes?

Vera said...

Special needs encompasses anything that makes life a little more difficult for a child. (snip) Special needs is not limited to what you can see so several of those children could have been special needs even if it weren't apparent visually. I sure hope the Vanderhoffs are not aware of Josh's extreme insensitivity to special needs children. And to think that Josie is not out-of-the-woods yet in that department...not to mention the fact that he, himself, could have a special needs child at some point. Such a big-mouthed moron!

MayQueen said...

Michelle Duggar is running away from her holy moly motherly duties again? Oh how shocked I am!

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Michelle's "good friend" (yeah, right) looks at least 10 years younger than Michelle.

Weren't the Vanderhoffs the family that house-sat for them when they were off on their world tour? Why are they trying to pass this off as a visit when the Vanderhoffs were actually doing work for them?

(That chili looked so thin that I thought it was some kind of soup. Notice the shot of the cut vegetables for the internet's sake.)

Stephanie said...

My 12-year-old daughter noticed something tonight,
Where's Josiah?
Two weeks, 4 30 minute episodes with no interviews and no on the spot interviews? Josiah is the miniture Josh and has always done a lot of the narration over the years. How old is he? 15 or 16? Last time we saw him, besides the Europe trip, he ran off camera crying at Michelle's 20th pregnancy announcement.
Has he taken a stand and quit? Is he being punished?
Very interesting isn't it?

Stephanie said...

Ok, they just showed Josiah for a second telling Justin Happy Birthday. But he hasn't been on camera much at all.
The Duggars have a gated driveway? They are celebs.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

You've got to be kidding. Happy birthday, Justin! Just to show you how much we love you, let's go shopping for second hand stuff for you because you don't deserve new! And let's make it a Power Wheels because we know how much 9 year olds love those!! (Seriously in my neighborhood the 3 year olds are the ones toodling around in those.)

Then we'll have a pizza party where everyone can handle the slices before they decide on the ones they'll actually eat. Yum!

rcadra2 said...

The toy jeep was a laaaaaaaame excuse for a birthday gift. How can Jim Bob blather about buying used and saving the difference when we've seen him shopping for his vacation clothes at Costco? Why not take Justin to Costco? You don't tell a nine year old to find a gift in a pawn shop. That was so weird. And how can Jim Bob act all thrift-nifty when he has half a million dollars worth of man-toys in his backyard? This goofy episode earned a big AAARRRGGHHH from me.

Ellie said...

Any speculations about Hudson and one of the older Duggar girls?

Dar said...

Isn't it nice to spend time with an old friend with whom you can share a lot of memories of school, traveling together, sharing overnights, cheer leading, etc. All those things a young girl should be enjoying.

Too bad her daughters don't get a chance to be young and carefree. They don't even have friends outside their "sect". They have no special girlfriend with whom they can share their innermost thoughts. All they do is look after children, cook meals, do laundry, clean the house, shop for groceries. and so on. Their entertainment consists of outings with their "charges", visiting places which are appealing to the very young. For me, I felt sorry for Jana. Michelle waltzes into the house, while Jana has to get all the children out of the car and tend to Josie. She won't be leaving her home anytime soon. She has to look after Josie and some other buddies.

Michelle is totally involved with herself and desperately ignoring what her body is telling her. I just think she and Jim Bob should be ashamed of themselves, making servants of their children.

ennvee said...

The timeline of episodes airing is going decidedly backward. Justin's b-day is November 15th.

I noticed poor Jana searching for the "script" when she talked about Michelle's speeches for women's groups. The eyes rolling back are a "tell" for someone trying to remember a detail that's been put into the memory bank long ago and usually by rote.

Noticed beds in the "home church." I'm thinking that 5 acres will be Josh's next place once Anna has the next baby, since they can't put children of opposite genders in the same bedroom (Mike's crib was in the master).

I imagine John David is next in line for Josh's little house; the girls move away (I've seen no deviation from this in any fundamentalist sect, Gothard or otherwise).

And for a "friends" who supposedly talk all the time, wouldn't the woman with Michelle's pompom have quizzed her on cheers on prior visits? After all, the Duggars lived in Little Rock for a year. I'm calling bogus scripting to set up that conference, although the friend was nowhere near as "convicted" as Michelle and said as much (respect? sure. Follow the lifestyle? not so much).

Poor Justin and the older guy. A toy car made for 6 year olds? Whoohoo!

God awful episode and guess what? ANOTHER speaking engagement next week!!!! And instead of screeching violins, we get AMY!

mom in texas said...

Every time I see Michelle's high school picutres and old cheer photos I am constantly reminded of how deprived her girls are of having normal lives Michelle got to be an active teenager who traveled with friends,competed on teams so why shouldnt the girls get that same experience? Her friend did all those things and she still became a godly woman.If she wasnt Michelle wouldnt still be friends with her.So she is proof that it can be done.All the Duggar kids would benefit from some sort of organized socialization, in particular the girls so that they can see that being a female goes beyond the kitchen and diaper duty.

Willow said...

I am just so irritated with this episode, it is hard to condense a few comments. First of all, Michelle just seemed so full of herself in the interview seat - a little more so than usual even. I could hardly stand it and almost turned it off (really I should have anyway). Then -- we had to hear again about her cheerleading days! Enough. I was very upset to see Jana going along as her mom's "helper". So sad that she doesn't have something more important or enjoyable to do than to STILL be her mother's hand maiden. I really have to stop and finish later!!

Rainbow68 said...

The two episodes last night seemed a little willy-nilly to me, but I understand because they're trying to salvage footage and plan a season around a traumatic event. I have to say, though, the episodes were both sweet. The one thing I would add is that there seems to be a shift, at least in the two programs last night, from the older four girls to the cluster of boys. To be honest, there were a couple of the boys I knew really nothing about. Perhaps the girls may be moving on? I can hope anyway. I felt bad for Anna loading all of those car seats for the little ones while Michelle was on her exercise machine telling her who gets what sort of car seat. I don't think Michelle realizes how hands-off she comes across. It could be that she's tired of the ins and outs of rearing little ones. I can understand, if that's the case. My kids are now older and I don't know if I'd want to go back to chasing toddlers, as much as I enjoyed that season.

Alberta Rose said...

Ok, they just showed Josiah for a second telling Justin Happy Birthday. But he hasn't been on camera much at all.
The Duggars have a gated driveway? They are celebs.

The gate is necessary because people were starting to drop in unannounced. I've seen gated driveways in other communities, both sides of the border. Some people like their privacy. Last, incidents like this definitely warrant the need for a gated driveway: http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-enters-discovery-channel-headquarters-employees-evacuated/story?id=11535128 TLC is affliated with Discovery and given that one of the things he was upset about was "disgusting babies", methinks he was definitely against Discovery/TLC broadcasting the Duggar way of life.

Allison said...

I do agree that the girls spend a LOT of time with the kids, but it's not like they've never been allowed out on their own. The girls go on annual trips to that ATI Journey camp for girls, and there have been pics on the FreeJinger message board showing them hanging out with other guys and girls without little ones around. All of the girls have traveled on their own (Malaysia, Chicago) without kids. I'm not saying that their home life is normal (it isn't!) but I think it's a little extreme to say they've never been able to make friends with other girls. That's clearly not true...

Rainbow68 said...

I was going to post the same thing as Alberta Rose concerning the Duggars having a security gate: They probably got it after the incident where the gunman went to TLC headquarters to protest the channel broadcasting shows with many children (He was a very serious environmentalist). Now that they are famous, they may be targets of those who are menatlly unstable. They also appear to live in a remote area and may not be protected in time if someone tried to storm their property.

It's Pathetic!!! said...

One of the saddest moments was when Michelle's friend asked her about her "favorite moment in high school" and she answered about "hanging out" and "sleepovers" and taking trips together. That, after talking about cheerleading.

Poor Duggar daughters. No high school for you. No cheer, no sleepover or travel with friends. No favorite memories with friends. Instead, all you get is raising your siblings, housework, cleaning, pretend homeschooling, and accompanying the family on inane childish events or acting as caregivers only.

It is pathetic!!!

Krissy said...

Interesting thoughts about Josiah. Seems nowadays the only talking heads are from Jill and Jinger who are die-hard toters of the partyline. Also Jackson and Johannah whose babyish routine is starting to wear thin with me.

I think the reason Michelle appeared older than her friend is due to the matronly clothing and outdated hair. Her friend was stylish and well-preserved for a woman in her mid-40's.

I did find it incredibly bizarre how Michelle randomly interrupted her speech to baby-talk to Josie and implore her to "give kisses".

That chili looked horrible. Way too soupy. My guess is the Duggars skimped on the meat to cut costs. I also thought all those children putting their hands in the pizza was gross. It would have been more sanitary to have one or two of the adults putting the slices on plates.

Sharla said...

The Duggars had the security gates long before the Discovery gunman. After the first season people would simply drive up to the house and knock on the door.

Nana dear said...

(snip)On last night's episode I would have liked to learn more about the Vanderhoff family rather than a recap of the birthday party routine. BTW, did anyone else think the gift for Justin? A 9 year old is way too big for a toy jeep. How many of you could afford $200. for a toy that will be destroyed within weeks? The trumpet would have lasted a lifetime and opened up a new world for Justin.

Sharla said...

1.506 million viewers.

Alberta Rose said...

The Duggars had the security gates long before the Discovery gunman. After the first season people would simply drive up to the house and knock on the door.

I know. First thing I thought when I heard the news about the gunman was "There but for a gated driverway...."

The jeep was a bit hard to swallow. We're rather frugal and do our best not to spend more then $100 on a birthday gift for our son. I know those jeeps are for 6-12 year olds, I know it will be shared, it was bought secondhand but still $200 on a gift?

As for Michelle's daughters not having the same experiences as their mother, each generation receives different experiences. There are things my mom got to experience I didn't because she grew up mostly in small towns and I grew up mostly in cities of varying sizes. There are things my son isn't experiencing because my husband decided not to join the fellowship group his parents were involved in. There are things our son is experiencing that we didn't, because neither of us grew up in devout Christian families, just church goers. Also, remember that they need to have permission to film certain things. For all we know there are sleepovers, best friends but their parents don't want their daughters being shown on camera; therefore it's not mentioned.

Vera said...

I wonder if Jim Bob and Michelle have isolated their family the way that they have because they aren't strong enough to resist the temptations of the world and so naturally their children aren't either...or at least that is their assumption. Moral strength is like steel...it has to be tempered in order to be strong.

That is why I am totally unimpressed by their supposed moral fortitude and fear for any of the "blessings" that might escape the compound someday. They are so ill prepared to live in the real world.

It boggles the mind how Jim Bob and Michelle could do their so-called "blessings" such a disservice.

sandi said...

Re: I wonder if Jim Bob and Michelle have isolated their family the way that they have because they aren't strong enough to resist the temptations of the world and so naturally their children aren't either...or at least that is their assumption. Moral strength is like steel...it has to be tempered in order to be strong.
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I wonder that as well.We all know the whole non-dating routine is to keep the kids pure until marriage,and not because Jim Bob and Michelle are worried about their kids having 'baggage' (ex bf's and gf's) and emotional hurt.
I noticed in Josh's speech he said he and Anna made the decision to never be alone before marriage.Didn't his parents teach him self-control and how to treat a woman with respect? Likewise for Anna...didn't her parents teach her how to behave like a lady? So I am not seeing what a simple date of meeting at a coffee shop would harm,or even a dinner date and a movie.Just go straight home after that,as a gentleman would do with a lady that age (take her home to her parents and visit a few mins. with them) and the problem is...? I don't get it.

Willow said...

My other comment about this episode is that it made me wonder why the Duggars have to have their own small church. Is it because Jim Bob just has to be in charge? I think it fits his personality for sure. I like how the Bates family goes to a more normal-type church. It is surely a lot more interesting for the children. JMO.

Elvira said...

I wonder why the need for "their own little church." There plenty of Baptist churches of every kind in Arkansas. There is bound to be one that is close enough to be tolerable.

It's one of those irritating things about them. They feel so "special" that they need their own private church. I think going to one where the pastor had actually formally studied religion and been to seminary would do them some good. They could stand to see that good Christians don't have to dress dowdy, wear long scrunchy permed hair, and that they can follow their beliefs without thinking theirs is the absolute only way.

Alberta Rose said...

It's one of those irritating things about them. They feel so "special" that they need their own private church. I think going to one where the pastor had actually formally studied religion and been to seminary would do them some good. They could stand to see that good Christians don't have to dress dowdy, wear long scrunchy permed hair, and that they can follow their beliefs without thinking theirs is the absolute only way.

They did when they were staying in Little Rock while Josie was in the hospital.

Elvira said...

My point is that they would benefit from always attending a church with an educated pastor and not see that as the exception. When they only go on special occasions it's much easier to dismiss.

Patrice said...

That is one of the scary things about the Duggars. With both parents having no more than high school educations, that is all the more they can teach their children. This means that the kids get only two very narrow and undereducated viewpoints and that is what they will pass on to their own offspring. If the kids were exposed to educated teachers, professors, ministers, scout leaders, sports coaches, band and orchestra teachers,4-H leaders,bosses at part-time jobs, librarians and other adults with an education, they would be able to see and hear different viewpoints and learn that there is more than one way of thinking. Based on all the different opinions and teachings they would absorb, they would be able to make their own decisions and form some thoughts of their own, rather than parroting the same old lines that Jim Bob and Michelle spew on a regular basis.

Vera said...

The problem with education, especially in belief systems like Gothard's, is that education leads to independent though which leads to the realization that Gothard is completely off the mark and *gasp* that their authority isn't particularly intelligent. That is why education is so clearly discouraged...I have no doubt.

Some families with ultra conservative, fundamental belief systems allow their families to intermix with us heathens and then remind them how evil we are when they get home. It seems like Jim Bob and Michelle can't trust themselves with us heathens so how in the world could they trust their "blessings?"

You have to wonder what all happened when Jim Bob and Michelle were teens and young adults for them to have such a warped view of the world.

Catherine said...

Willow said... My other comment about this episode is that it made me wonder why the Duggars have to have their own small church. Is it because Jim Bob just has to be in charge?


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I understood that to be a major tax break. No property taxes on churches, even home churches. So all that land, that huge house and a $0 tax bill. Must be nice.

SmokeyKitty said...

I was a little confused as to why Michelle's friend had Michelle's pompoms. Plus Michelle and her friend seemed very awkward and talked the way you do when you see someone at a school reunion.
Here's how I think it went down. The TLC producers thought that Michelle needed to show that she had some "normal" friends so they put out feelers and found one of her former cheerleading buddies. THose pompoms were either her friend's pompoms or ones that Michelle had hung on to all these years.

I suspect that Michelle would look down on this woman who lives in a pristine house and wears pants and probably defrauds her children with public school and television and dancing. I really don't see how Gothard and JimBob would have allowed Michelle to be regular friends with someone who doesn't follow the same party lines as they do.

It just seems to me that this "friend" is not Michelle's kind of person and that if one of her daughters grew up to be that kind of person that she and Jim Bob would be very unhappy. I can't see having a real friendship without respect.

Vinnie said...

That might be interesting if true, but it isn't. If you check their property tax bill, you'll see them paying taxes on that property. "Home churches" are NOT tax exempt. This is a fiction that will not die.

Alberta Rose said...

I suspect that Michelle would look down on this woman who lives in a pristine house and wears pants and probably defrauds her children with public school and television and dancing. I really don't see how Gothard and JimBob would have allowed Michelle to be regular friends with someone who doesn't follow the same party lines as they do.

When they got together with Dolly Parton, Michelle said people were questioning why. Her reply was to talk about Dolly Parton's big heart for charity and her beautiful singing of worship songs. Face it, 99% of people when they say "Dolly Parton" and "big" in the same sentence, they aren't talking about her heart. Michelle's response prompted me to look at people in a different way. In the same way, this friend of her's might wear pants, have a pristine house, send her children to public school but have other things that didn't get discussed as to why the two are still friends.

Sent as anonymous said...

Hello to all who don't like the Duggars. This is her life long friend that is shown in the show. Yes, Michelle and I have been BFF for 39 years. Let me fill you in on how the show went; I am VERY private and when Michelle asked me if they could come, they honored all my concerns. The reason why it may have seemed awkward is because I was a little stiff and I am usually quite silly. Because it is a reality show, there was no script. Our conversation was a lot about her family and pregnancy, but they edited that due to the sad loss of Jubilee. Please know that Michelle and I talk everyday and she is VERY kind and caring with her kids. They play A LOT with their children and quietly help feed MANY of people who aren't so fortunate. I have never in my 39 years heard any slander from Michelle's mouth. Her convictions aren't mine, but we are both believers and LOVE our Lord. She has ALWAYS respected the way I live. If you knew her, you would LOVE her. She would do whatever she could to make you feel welcome. So with that in mind, extend a little grace and know that they do live out their convictions, but their kids have a lot of great times. Her kids are aloud to speak their mind and they are very good about listening to their hearts. So please give my dear friend a little respect and know that she is a precious lady.

Vera said...

I would love to believe that Michelle is a hands-on mother to each and every one of her children but that is not what is seen in the show. I would think that TLC and the Duggars would want to be shown in the best light so why don't they show Michelle spending quality time with each of her children at some point? This question has been brought up on enough different forums that you would think it would have been addressed by now.

Actually that would be a great upcoming show...Michelle playing with Jordyn and maybe helping her with her speech a little. Michelle in the kitchen cooking with the older girls. Michelle doing laundry with whichever daughter and Grandma Duggar. Michelle seriously homeschooling. And the list goes on and on.

Anonymous said...

I highly doubt that "Sent as anonymous" is Michele's friend who appeared on the show. Nice try, though.

Alberta Rose said...

I did discover why there are beds in the home church. One thing that tends to get forgotten is the Duggars do live in a rural area. There are beds for nap time after the church service, whether it's a little one who has gotten tired before the older people want to call it a day, or an expectant woman who needs to lay down for about 30 minutes. I live on the edge of a large city and my church attracts people from the rural towns. I had a delightful conversation with someone who wanted to check out the "big church in the city" and learned a few things about a home church like what the people in the Duggar's area would go to.

forgiveness is divine said...

Despite the rules I read before reading any posts, I find that many remarks - while respectful to each other - are rather negative and condescending in regards to the Duggars themselves. I know that outright nasty remarks would be removed, yet you can almost feel the undercurrent of dislike, for lack of a better word.
I know everyone does things differently. We don't all share the same beliefs, levels of finance, or family traditions. Certainly few of us have close to 19 children. Therefore it stands to reason that few of us could truly understand how the Duggar parents actually handle so many activities with their kids. Surely they couldn't do decent homeschooling on a TV show (a bit boring to the viewers, yes?) and expect the little ones to stay focused on their schooling.
The Duggars do a lot and work hard at what they do. Their way of life may not be mine or yours, but they have y admiration and respect for raising so many happy, terrific, well-behaved, responsible and hard-working kids.

Thanks for reading. No offense meant to anyone, of course. Just stating my opinions, as everyone else has. ;) Blessings to you.

Sharla said...

Disapproving of the Duggars is absolutely allowed here. As you discovered, being rude, scornful, or derogatory toward other commenters here (people not on TV for money) is not.