Free Discussion August 2012

Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

157 comments:

summer11 said...

There's got to be a pregnancy announcement soon, right? By Duggar standards, it's been awhile...

Nancy said...

The way Michelle has been pictured lately, shrinking like Alice in Wonderland, it won't be her. She's a walking advertisement for what happens when you have too many kids and not enough calcium.

Her bones must look like Swiss cheese, yet I doubt she's ever had a bone scan since that would be conceding that she's not at tip top shape for childbearing. She won't be hitting the Boniva bottle until she hits menopause, although from all appearances, she needs it NOW.

As for Anna? Look at her husband. Obese men are known to have....problems. The only one(s) knocked up in Anna's family are sister Suze (who will never be on the show, or maybe even set foot in Anna's home ever again) and possibly Priscilla, who will remain close with Anna as long as ANNA doesn't stray too far off the Gothard reservation.

sandi said...

if there isn't an announcement sometime soon,I would think it due to 1-birth control (non-hormonal.I know,ANY birth control..gasp!)or 2-advanced age.

Cadence said...

Yeah, there's got to be something happening now, it's been almost 14 months since Michael was born. But, hey, I'm not complaining.

Does anybody know the exact date of the season premier?

tulip said...

For awhile there it looked like Anna could've been pregnant, but in a couple pictures last month she actually looked like she may have lost a few pounds. Hopefully Anna came to her senses after having Michael and realized how much work it is with just two babies. All she has to do is tell Josh she has a headache during that time of the month, and who would be the wiser?...unless, of course, Gothard instructs wives to please their husbands whether they have a headache or not, or better yet, she has to mark her cycles down on the family calendar hanging on the kitchen wall like Michelle.

Rudy Tecat said...

Speaking of Priscilla...if you look at the pictures on their website, she and her husband often dress in the same colors...even when he's wearing a shirt and tie, her sweater matches his tie! Too cute.

Alberta Rose said...

Given that I trusted in the Lord for 22 months before giving up, given that my SIL waited 6 years, given that I just got back from a camping trip with a couple who are entering into year 4 of trusting in the Lord, I feel safe in saying that Anna doesn't have to go on hormonal birth control to cause a gap between siblings.

Andrea said...

Alberta Rose: I totally agree with you. I think that sometimes these things take time and really Michelle and Kelly Jo Bates are anomalies. Hence the reason they were on television in the first place. I also think it's hilarious to consider that Josh's lifestyle is preventing him from impregnating his wife. But that's because I find him to be so slimy. I also think it’s really interesting that in light of the fact that he and Anne have now been married for almost 4 years none of the other adult Duggar children have taken to courting or marriage. I wonder if it means anything?

ImaFan said...

Well Said Alberta Rose, I am sorry to hear of such struggles. We too struggled to concieve, only after help do we have our children. Sometimes you get what you can handle and other times you are grossly fertile regardless of your physical, emotional or financial capabilities to handle that many children. Yes, it is said that obese people have difficulty in this area, but can we really categorize Josh as obese to a point of having trouble? I would say he's over weight but don't see him as obese.

Penny said...

I've been watching and enjoying the Olympics and thinking about the Duggars. They are probably not watching since they watch very little TV and there are too many Nike moments for them. You think they might be watching since they went to London and could recognize some of the spots they went to-such at that ferris wheel. I wonder if maybe Josh and Anna are watching.

Nancy said...

Given that I trusted in the Lord for 22 months before giving up, given that my SIL waited 6 years, given that I just got back from a camping trip with a couple who are entering into year 4 of trusting in the Lord, I feel safe in saying that Anna doesn't have to go on hormonal birth control to cause a gap between siblings.

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No one said, or implied, that Anna was using birth control. It's just odd that she comes from a family of 8 (spaced about two years apart), her eldest sister - who is even more of an extremist - gave up the timing of her children to God and had 7 in 9 years, yet Anna has gone over a year without conceiving. This was the young lady who was panicking because she hadn't conceived 3 months after her wedding (she hit the jackpot in month 4).

Anna's sister, Priscilla, did the "no touch" courtship and went from courtship to wedding night in 5 months, so it's not surprising that she's been married 6 months and hasn't announced a pregnancy (although recent pictures make some wonder); a lot of the couples wait to actually get to know each other better before consummating the marriage. Anna's other sister, Rebekah, had two in quick succession, but once they quit Gothard and Quiverfull, have had no more children. I certainly think THAT couple is using something.

As for Josh and Anna, I am clearly blaming Josh's poor eating habits and night-crawling, long after Anna has gone to bed.

My dad and step-mother dressed alike in the first few years of their marriage (in their mid-40's!). I was in my early teens and didn't want to be associated with them. I think Pris and David look equally lame now (as I did during the phase when Josh and Anna wore the same polos when they were engaged). Isn't holding hands or just BEING together enough? People are so wrapped up in their own stuff that doing this just makes them look OBVIOUS, and, frankly, a bit desperate to prove something most couples don't feel compelled to show off. Intimacy as a couple goes far beyond wearing matching outfits/colors.

Thankfully, they'll get over it, except for the mega-family photoshoots that tie the family together with one or two color palettes (the Bateses' blue and green are nice colors, just not on the same frumper).

summer11 said...

I think an Anna pregnancy announcement will be coming soon. Maybe she'll wait until the end of her first trimester to announce anything, though. She was SO wanting to get pregnant again in the episodes that aired last season and Josh was the one saying "we'll see." I think Josh may be the one who isn't so sure about having so many children. He seems to be enjoying his life right now and realizes, I think, how difficult (even with TLC paychecks)raising a family of that size is.

And, to be completely honest, I would not be surprised if Michelle got pregnant again-- as scary (and dangerous) as that would be.

Mable said...

I think Josh's selfish laziness during her labor and the difficulty of Michael's labor and birth have put Anna off having a baby every 18 months and made her realize that the two she has are plenty along with her man-child. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she has taken steps to insure that she doesn't end up a Michelle Duggar clone.

tulip said...

Josh posting pics on Instagram of midnight shopping at Walmart and up at 5 am, definitely seems like he doesn't need such limited hours of business at the carlot-looks to be still planning on plenty of TLC paychecks.

More politics-supporting Chik-fil-a today with 3 pics in a row-why always bring the kids into it? "The lil ones brought lunch to Daddy today"...and of course the "lil ones" are drinking from their Chik-fil-a cups. Just like when he posted the pic of Mack holding up her Santorum campaign sign. Josh resorts to using his own kids under the 'oh so cute' guise as a megaphone for spouting more of his political agenda. Sad.

Nancy said...

The picture of Josh and Anna sharing a cup of (likely) sweet tea was so set up it isn't funny...down to the cross in the background. This is even worse than the picture of the couples smooching over Mack's crib because of the politics involved here.

I agree, using the kids as props is about as low as someone can go to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with kids, at least directly.

Then again, these are people who still revere the Confederacy and are still smarting because all those good Christians were on the wrong side of that conflict...and Civil Rights...etc. Simply put, he's supporting oppression, no matter what form it takes.

Beth Anne said...

Re: Josh supporting oppression...

Though I think there's been undertones of that in many of his words and actions, I don't agree this is the case with the whole Chick Fil A thing, because the company isn't oppressing anyone; their president was asked a question about his views on marriage, to which he gave an honest answer, and they don't discriminate with respect to hiring employees or serving customers.

Having said that, it is SO like Josh to try to insert himself into the latest "Conservative" cause/fad. He seems to have either an inflated sense of self-importance or is eager to have others view him as important. It's like, "Hey, look at me, I'm at Chick-Fil-A on the unofficial Appreciation Day - aren't I great? I mean, I'm some sort of conservative hero, aren't I? Like, super hero conservative guy, ushering in a new era with my Gothard sword! Blah, blah, blah..."

I lean conservative, but Josh is the LAST person I want as a poster child!

sandi said...

Seeing as Anna was pregnant again twice before Mack was even a year old,I don't see any reason why,at still such a young age,it's not unlikely to think she and Josh have perhaps put off having more kids,at least for now.They don't really have any room to expand,for now,in such a small house...they'll already have a boy and girl sharing a room soon..and i'm sure at least Anna realizes how much work is invovled in caring for just two little ones so close in age.JMO.

Wampascat said...

I suppose Josh feels he is now an expert on conservatism because he road the bus with Santorum. And he's an expert on family values becaus Chik-fil-a gave him a free sandwich, once.

sandi said...

watch what Josh says here around the 3:45 mark...when asked how many kids they want,he almost seems defensive when he answers. "Two or three,I don't think eighteen is for everybody".Hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJTiJFUxpkI

Nikki said...

I don't like the guy, but at least that's a reasonable answer.

sandi said...

Yes,it's reasonable,it's just not what they said in their wedding vows,or on their web page..that they would leave the number and timing of each child up to God.That's just one reason I said the Duggars don't have to actuaally do what they say...they just have to say it.I can think of other examples as well.JMO.

Stephanie said...

So Anna towed 2 kids and waited in line at Chick Filet the other day? In Virginia it was on the news about the long, long lines. But I guess Anna towed 2 small children to Chic Filet in the steaming southern summer to feed her "man". Gross

I wanted to ask because I never saw the Michelle Menstrual cycle on the kitchen fridge. When and what episode was it on? I saw the "nike" episode once and never forgot it but I never see that re run. Are you sure they didn't take those extreme moments out? Those moments are very extreme public relations.

Melissa said...

Hopefully for Anna's sake, she doesn't get pregnant for awhile (whether it's mother nature or birth control of some fashion). I just don't see Joshie being one to help her very much unless the cameras are on him. I really like Anna, and I just hope she's treated in a good way.

Nancy said...

Poor lost girls. It's telling that no one posted a Happy Birthday to Jenny (at least that's been approved as I type just before 7pm Pacific time).

I thought the boys were the Forgotten Ones until the crop of little girls came along and are even more ignored by the people that gave them life, especially their mother. Other than Josie's 1st year, Michelle has been quite the absentee mother to those poor girls.

I hope Jenny got some cake today, but somehow I doubt it.

Nikki said...

I fully agree with what you're saying. I just thought it was interesting to see something reasonable spoken from one of these breeders.

Nancy said...

Just read elsewhere that Jana, Jessa and Jinger were at a Chick-fil-A in Indianapolis on the 1st. Jill is Jenny's sister-mom, but if she was off delivering a baby, even less chance the poor little girl's birthday was acknowledged. :(

Nancy said...

I hate to piggy-back posts, but I checked the IBLP/ATI Gothard site and lo and behold, there's a homeschool conference going on in Indy right now (ends on the 3rd). The girls have been keynote speakers at the others (starting at Big Sandy earlier this year, replacing their parents on the list).

At any rate, no vacation for these girls; it's Gothard 24/7/365.

Isis-sama said...

I remember seeing in a fairly recent episode that Jenny was still in diapers. It's her fifth birthday and if that's still the case, which I think it likely is, then I feel really bad for her. I've known the Duggars don't really spend much time or effort with their blessings, but it must be really bad if they won't even bother to toilet train a five-year-old.

tulip said...

More proof of the egotistical Josh Duggar-using Instagram for whatever will bring HIM attention and get people talking (about him). Too busy posting about the latest political fad, and using the cuteness factor of his kids as poster children for his political agenda, to even post a simple Happy Birthday to Jenny. Well, he didn't even start off the day on Anna's Bday to say anything til evening when be bragged about taking her out to dinner. But, of course, he didn't waste any time posting the graveside photo of Jubilee.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jenny wasn't potty trained at a reasonable age-I remember in one episode Jill(?) talking about "having trouble" potty training (Jenny/Jordyn?)-anyway, just sounds like a big excuse to me as the sister-moms seem to now have the full responsibility of these tasks. I do remember the Christmas episode where Jordyn, having already turned 3, was still walking around the house drinking milk from her bottle. And now that Josie has been handed off to a sister-mommy, TLC will have to find another excuse as to what Michelle actually does (hence the damage control blog entries, and fake episodes on homeschooling and cooking lunch.)

Stephanie said...

Watching my reruns this morning and Michelle is NOT modest. Giving interviews on camera in front of camera men live, to record for all the world to see (literally) she is pumping breast milk for Josie and you can clearly hear the tempo of the pump and she talks so casually about it with her drape around her neck.

Michelle you are desperate for attention. You can't be taken seriously while having your breast attached to a pump with on camera. Its not "natural" to do that on camera or in front of men. Its not modest or normal to breast feed your baby while riding a float in a parade and WAVE at fans.

Why didn't she give Jordyn a bottle in that Pigeon Forge parade? Sick & weird for wanting that strange attention. Maybe Jimbobs nervous laugh during that parade was because he was embarassed? When I fed my children I enjoyed looking at them not smothering them, ignoring them by putting them under a blanket and letting their legs kick around looking panicked. If you can't sit down and have a moment at home feeding your baby comfortably for mom and baby, then maybe breast feeding isn't for you. Michelle loves the weird attention she gets from this

sandi said...

Michelle is no doubt trying to promote breastfeeding with these antics,the same way she brings the tears on when talking about the miscarriage that happened over 20 years ago;that,IMO,is to say "shame on birth control"!

han said...

Josh stop taking pictures of cop cars and other cars when driving or even parked.

Stephanie said...

Just saw pictures of JimBob & Michelle for their anniversary and pictures of a family reunion.

Jimbob has cut his hair short & messy. It looks really good. He hasn't lost his hair and he has nice thick hair anyway hence the hairspray. He may just be putting gel in it so I hope he can wash it out daily unlike the little boys who don't wash it and pile it on day after day. Looked like he had on new clothes and shoes and someone dressed him like it was a make over.

Michelles hair looks terrible but she is thin and not being pregnant is so good for her body. Her breasts don't look fat and she has a one piece dress on instead of a cheap blouse and skirt that cuts her off in the middle. The dress gives her some length. But, she is wearing very black hose and black flats. It looks like her head is sweating hence the gross hair.

Josh is huge and has given up on tucking in his shirt. He is heavier than he was. I still think he is putting it on for a weight loss endorsement or tv show.

At the reunion all boys and boys only play football outside. I don't know how, 10 Duggar boys have never seen a football game and must of been totally confused.

Their hand me down jeans looked downright filthy. For all the laundry they claim to do their clothes looked nasty.

It has been so hot and they were in hot golf shirts, jeans and baseball hats with one boy wearing a Coon Skin cap in all pictures.

Where were the girls? Fellowshiping aka cooking and cleaning after having guests over.

Meg's Mom said...

I never noticed the diapers on Jenny. 5 years old and not using the bathroom is absurd. Nighttime accidents are still common for 5 year olds, but not during the day. I was lucky and had no trouble with training my 3. Nos. 2 and 3 were easier than the 1st.... No. 2 followed number 1 into the bathroom almost everytime and "tried". Certainly with that many kids ahead of Jenny that would have been something they could have tried! Unless Jenny has a physical issue with this problem (which I doubt), this is probably the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard from them. That is not developmentally appropriate. Maybe they would be "encouraged" to take some time with the poor thing if she had to be toilet trained for kindergarten.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "Michelle loves the weird attention she gets from this (breastfeeding in full view of everyone)"

I totally agree. She feels she is staking a claim to the mother of the year title by demonstrating her "devotion" to breastfeeding at all times, in all places. Look at me, aren't I just the greatest, most self-sacrificing mother of all time, because I ALWAYS feed my babies no matter what the venue? Meanwhile, the babies are smothered under the blanket, legs kicking around, no mother-to-child eye contact, etc. Yet, Michelle needs to desperately fit the mold of the Gothard "Christian/Good Mother" model, and she likely feels she is proving her worthiness and Godliness.

I had to bottle feed my babies because I could not safely transmit heart medication through breastmilk. However, I loved cuddling my babies and staring into each other's eyes during feeding time. Yet, Michelle and her "crew" would probably deem me a failure because I was not feeding my babies through my breastmilk.

Willow said...

I totally agree about Michelle and the breast-feeding attention she craves. I always thought that was the case. Did she actually breast-feed when they were at the elementary school. Remember that? I am thinking she did but cannot for sure remember. The Pigeon Forge episode was a total mess; you are so right!! Its all just so "ick", IMO. It seems to me that even the most dedicated breast-feeding moms I have seen occasionally need the assistance of a bottle for one reason or another. It doesn't mean they are not dedicated. Its all just so rediculous. Stephanie - is there a link to the reunion pictures that you can share? Thanks.

imaamy said...

Link to family reunion/anniversary pics:

http://duggarsblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/more-new-photos-july-2012.html

Stephanie said...

Watch "Todays mom" on youtube. Michelles pregnancy announcement of Jubilee. Jessa and Jinger just LOVE taking care of the small children even though they are 17 and 18 years old and should be touring colleges and shopping for prom dresses and attending football games.

The Today show reporter called her segment "growing up Duggar" Sound familiar? Yes, I bet they copied that for their book. The book the girls wrote that I am sure is a PR stunt that Michelle and Jimbob wrote to save face on critism. Thats what that little interview was. Also, one of the little boys says he hopes #20 is a girl so they have an even number of girls and boys. Hmmmmmm? I beleive he is also repeating what he hears from his parents.

tulip said...

Re: family reunion/anniversary pics:
Wow, Jim Bob DOES look different, looking like he did in fact get some kind of makeover-the hair for sure, and the outfit (black t-shirt with the collared shirt over and unbuttoned), I've never seen him dress anything even close to that. Michelle looks odd-the solid color dress is okay, but that shirt over it, opaque black tights/flats and side-swept curly hair makes her look like someone trying to dress way younger then she is-and NOT pulling it off.

Josh does look bigger then ever. There was a comment awhile back that Josh wearing his shirt untucked was some kind of nod to college guy fashion...I have to disagree-not on Josh. I've seen several pics in recent months where the shirt is draping over his belly like it does on a woman who's pregnant. Josh desperately needs to start shedding some pounds.

Amy had one of her goofy style choices going on, with the long dress, sleeveless jean jacket, and hair tied up in a top-knot. They all could use a makeover (by someone who actually knows what they're doing.)

Beth Anne said...

Re: family reunion/anniversary pics...

The pics of JimBob and Michelle are odd in general. Other family members are lined up, making a homemade "walkway" through which the golden couple seem to walk, and the others are throwing rice at them??? Then, JimBob and Michelle get into a truck decorated with Honeymoon signs?

So, I guess that, once again, JimBob and Michelle are having another wedding/anniversary celebration and some "alone time," because, between the paid speaking engagements, conferences, time spent behind locked doors in their marriage suite while their older daughters take care of the little ones, they NEVER have couple time.

Here's an idea...how about some "alone time" with Jenny? Or Jordyn? How about making each child you brought into this world feel special, instead of a notch on your demented bed post?

tngal said...

Cousin Amy looks pregnant to me in the Anniversary pics?

Leah said...

TLC is obviously trying to make Jim bob and Michelle seem younger and more "with it". I'm not sure why, except that theres no chance Michelle will get pregnant again and her pregnancies are the only reason there is a show. So maybe they want to trick viewers into believing they're still young and fertile. Good one, TLC.

Michelle's eyes look sad all the time to me. She seemed genuinely happy in the 17 kids and 18 kids shows, but I've slowly noticed a sadness behind her fake smiles in the past year or so. I think it really started before Jubilee. I can't quite put my finger on it, but she's depressed.

Josh is absolutely huge. He has a "heart attack" body: thin arms and legs, massive midsection. His arteries are undoubtedly already starting to block. Yet he continues to think he's funny and cute by posting food pictures on his instagram to "taunt" his critics. Jokes on you Josh. Enjoy your medical bills.

I don't think Amy looks pregnant. I think she's put on weight. And that dress/denim vest combo is probably something I'd wear as a joke on Halloween.

Doug said...

I find it hilarious that one of the anniversary pictures has a post-it at the bottom of the steering wheel that says "Don't text"

imaamy said...

I also thought Amy had gained weight. And her smile annoys me. She looks like a little kid making a face for the camera.

pumpkin said...

Josh is what, 24 years old? He shouldn't be that heavy. I am not saying that to be mean, really. He needs to lose some weight so he doesn't develope Type 2 Diabetes and heart disease by the time he's 30. It's irresponsible and dangerous. I'd hate to see Anna as a young widow.

I like Jim Bob's new haircut, it makes him look a lot younger. Michelle looking thinner is definitely good too. Jill is gorgeous.

imaamy said...

I think the photo you are referring to is Jana:)

Stephanie said...

Jimbob's hair looks really good. He actual has the best hair in the family. Its thick and he hasn't gone bald. I do think at 46 years old he is covering th gray. I doubt it has zero gray. But that's ok, he should stop by age 50. The shirts, jeans, and shoes look like a make over. Has Amy written all over it.

Why won't Michelle do the make over? All she did was put on a one piece dress in a color. She looks really good considering what she has put her body through. She and the girls need more of a haircut like Amys. Its still long but layered without those cheap perms. Even the Kardashians have really long curly hair. Can't they PLEASE try to update their hair and buy non cheap hair shampoo and make up.

Please crossover to TLC's What Not To Wear PLEASE

sandi said...

Jim Bob's hair looks far better now,at least he doesn't have that typical politician/used car salesman plastered-hair look anymore.Michelle looks younger with bangs though,or at least some hair covering her forehead.It's the same way they tried to make her look younger in the wedding dress,and it just wasn't working.
Not sure whattheheck Amy was thinking...would have to agree,she's beggin' for some time on tlc's What Not To Wear.JMO.

Stephanie said...

Sorry for several posts. I was sick this weekend which makes me bored and watch the Duggars. With that being said:

I watched the Bates and Duggars in Myrtle Beach for Santorum play 2 songs. (We vaca in Myrtle Beach so that's what I clicked on). Anyway, John David is playing some mini guitar and I think he is fake playing because he can barely strum the strings fast enough and his other hand barerly moves to change key. I really think he is faking LOL

He is 22 years old, shares a room with 8 little boys, never kissed a girl, or even talked to a girl romantically. We never really talk about him we always talk about the girls.

If he is fake playing this mystery instrument, how aimlessly is his going through life? What are his goals or dreams? We have seem him tow and car, run for city council, skype with Josh about the non-busy carlot and that a lady brought over a baby gift. We saw him babysit Jana on a missions trip. I am sure she would have been watched like a hawk even without him but he went. He does his EMT volunteer work but that is not a career its volunteer. Any other 22 year old healthy man would be expected to make some type of living or at least have some goals. What does John David want out of life?

TLC paycheck divided by 21 people with Michelle and Jimbob getting the most (if not all) wouldn't give John David that much money in the bank. I don't think the kids have that much tv show money.

tulip said...

We just keep seeing more and more of just how kooky the Duggars really are. Jim Bob & Michelle having their anniversary played out like they're a couple of teenage lovebirds is so ridiculous, and all the talk about "datenights" is, and always has been, nauseating. I agree with the others who commented that Jim Bob & Michelle are in no way lacking for ANY alone time.

Anna posts on Instagram a pic of Josh reading to the kids, with a silver Menorah clearly seen in the background...and remember the girls wearing the Star of David necklaces? What message are they trying to get across anyway? Josh posting more political stuff, acting like some big shot, worthy of all his followers looking to him for what they should do next, since they have no decision making capability of their own.

Amy has definitely packed on a few pounds. When she takes pics of herself, she makes sure they are mid-chest and up, but when someone else gets a longer shot, it's obvious she's covering up her weight gain. By the way, what DOES she do all day? Looks like she lives her life to follow Reed around, while doing absolutely nothing except hanging out with friends-and the latest pic of her sitting around giving herself a homemade facial-while other girls in their mid-twenties have already graduated from college, are living a productive life and making a way for themselves, working and carrying out life's daily responsibilities. I guess "working on a music career" means living with your parents, bopping around like a teenager and hanging with your boyfriend. More "Growing Up Duggar".

tulip said...

These people really are wrapped up in their own little world-none have bothered to post, or even acknowledge, the Olympics. Can they even watch any of the events without being defrauded? Speaking of patriotism/current events, guess they were all too busy giving Jim Bob & Michelle makeovers for their second honeymoon and showing off their Chik-fil-a meals.

sandi said...

They don't watch tv,recall? Or so they say.And am guessing the Olynpics would be non-commentable anyway,seeing as there is no non-defradable swimwear being worn? per se,anyway.at least not as much as the Duggars and like cover up.JMO.

tulip said...

True, they don't watch TV-but occasionally watch something (like their premieres of their show, or they turned on the rabbit ears to catch a glimpse of Jim Bob & Michelle on The View.) IMO, the Olympics are fun for kids, having favorite athletes, and just the culture of it-something the whole world gets involved in...If the Duggar kids know about/have learned about the Olympics, they may have a real interest in wanting to see it, but then it's "oh sorry guys, we don't watch that"??...too bad.

Hannah said...

Josh made a comment on how Gaby thanked god for her gold. Its on his site.

tulip said...

Which "site" did Josh talk about Gabby thanking God for her gold?...Anyway, taking another break from Duggarland, seeing they'll be back next week in full force. Besides, seeing the turkey sub Josh posted on Instagram, then seeing the comment beside it from Anna that says, "Looks awesome!" was the last straw. Ugh.

Olympia said...

Josh is the only Duggar child to "escape" from the compound so maybe that's why he got to watch the Olympics. The athletes are flashing way too much skin to be appropriate for Duggars. You can see kneecaps. Gasp!!

sandi said...

I agree Tulip,was thinking they could honor our country and our athletes,and in some manner,show some support.It would be the all-American thing to do. :)
Having seen Duggars in action,not holding my breath though!

Patrice said...

Probably the first time Joshie ever saw a real pair of legs on a girl that isn't Anna. Welcome to the world, Josh!!! You're movin' on up!

Nancy said...

Josh made a comment on how Gaby ]sic] thanked god for her gold. Its on his site.

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Did he note how she didn't thank God when she came in last in the Event Finals for Uneven Bars? Yeah, didn't think so.

Earth to Josh, God doesn't care about Gabby's All-Around gold medal; if that was true, Jews, Muslims and in his world, even Catholics would be shut out of medals and the Godless Europeans and pagan African runners wouldn't win diddly.

Gotta love some Faulty Logic.

Sharla said...

Bates family on GMA this morning promoting the show.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/bates-family-19-children-2-080000864.html

Patrice said...

Well, I guess you could just pop in the Duggar or the Bates family interchangeably and conduct that exact same interview. Same fake smiles, look alike mom and dad gazing at each other while the other speaks, same stock answers. I don't think the Bates show is going to last long. We have already seen it all.

tulip said...

Same old thing, part 2. At least the Bates are somewhat more animated. Wow, and Kelly was actually holding a baby (unfortunately poor baby Jeb was spitting up), Gil holding Judson (trying to keep him under control with first the bottle, then the binky, then what did he have in his mouth? All I could make out was something small & white, and didn't really appear to be food), and Michaella holding...no one! Hmmm...PR must have gotten involved with this seating arrangement. Actually, from the looks of it, the Bates could be somewhat entertaining-I liked when Jackson was questioned if he likes cameras following him around, he really hesitated then said, "sort of". Lawson, of course, was asked about the grocery shopping, and poor Zach, 23 & still living at home, said he'll move out when he hopefully has a family of his own one day. I'd like to see Zach & Jana pair up.

Patrice said...

I feel bad for them having to all dress alike though. How embarassing for anyone above age seven. I know the Duggars use the excuse of being able to keep track of them in large cities or crowds or whatever. It just seems like a control thing. Basically grouping 20 year olds with toddlers who might wander off. I just wonder if the oldest kids in these families feel humiliated inside at being just one of a big group of "children" when others their age are out working or going to school or setting up their own apartments. Ugh! Is this yet another crazy Gothard rule?

ImaFan said...

Which ever child Erin was holding, looked up at her while she was talking, grabbed her chin and said,"mama". Maybe I miss heard her or maybe she was trying to tell Erin something else, but if I heard it right, that could be all too telling. I too think it strange the dressing alike. Not only that but the singing! I hate it when 8-9 year olds are put on display to do something the parents think is oh so cute or talented. Yes, the Bateses seem to have more talent than the Duggars in the singing/musical area, nonetheless, stop putting your kids up to such antics. The interviewer's questions about do you know X celebrity or X movie is just plain stupid, she knew going into this interview that they would not know. It's just another way to show off that they are that dedicated to being Fundie/Gothard/Christian do gooders; all because they don't know who the Beibs is or what StarWars is. Dumb, dumb, dumb, JMO!

Andrea said...

Totally agree with the statement from ImaFan about Erin holding a little girl and the little one saying Mama. Weird, but maybe the kid was just saying: "I want to sit with Mom, rather then you."

Also, can we please discuss this insurance situation. How is this even possible? Serious, it must cost at least $10,000 to give birth in a hospital. They have 19 children, so what over $190,000 has gone into just the birth of the children? I hate to add fuel to the fire that is the US Health Care debate, but this family is an example of the type to suck the system dry. There is more to this story of lack of health insurance. I would bet that each child is registered with the State of Tennessee and receiving care through Medicaid. Thoughts? I would hope that now that the Bates have their own Reality TV show the Discovery Network is insuring them as employees.

Patrice said...

They were also on Nightline last night. It was an exact repeat of the Duggars in New York. Everyone pile on the subway, Kelly telling them how quickly they had to get off and being afraid someone would be left behind, singing random Jesus songs in a park to an audience of one, etc. etc. The reporter asked them what they thought of the half naked sunbathers in the park and Lawson almost had a smile on his face but then said quickly "We'd better change the subject".
Also, even the reporter did not seem to know what the plural of "Bates" is. She kept saying "The Bates" did this and that. The plural of a word that ends in S is generally made by adding an ES. One Bates, two Bateses. One thing that was very odd: The family was in a motel and JuJu said to them "You have six rooms, why are you only using three?" And Gil said that was all they needed and really they could get by with two if they had to. Um, let's see, two queen beds in each room; six queen beds makes enough room for 12 people to sleep. They have 21. Apparently their SOTDRT didn't teach much math either?
Or was this just for show like the Duggars: "Golly gee, we are just small town country bumpkins! yuk, yuk, yuk!"

Emilia said...

I actually recall that the Bates' had multiple homebirths. Not sure how many, but they definitely didn't pay nearly $200,000 to give birth.

Stephanie said...

I liked the questions about Justin Bieber. Its makes them look even more ridiculous. What Tween doesn't know about Justin Bieber? What teen doesn't know about Twilight or Harry Potter or Lady Gaga. Its embarassing that they don't know. I went to Christian church and I certainly knew who Madonna and Michael Jackson was along with Amy Grant. As a matter of fact Amy Grant was a medicore talent and I never spent a $1 on her music. Shows how locked up and sheltered they are.

To bad they didn't play their bluegrass music with John David pretending to play an instrument. He is even less talented than Madonna trying to play the guiter.

tulip said...

Wonder if the Bates/Bateses were in New York at the time the Trojan carts were parked on the streets passing out free "items"...that plus the half-naked sunbathers, and all the defrauding dress-surprised they even allowed themselves to make the trip. The questions about pop culture were funny, but hacky-they were asked about the same people (Kim Kardashian, Bieber, etc.) the last 3 interviews that I know of, including when they were on Nightline a few months ago, and because of that, you'd think by now they WOULD know who they are.

imaamy said...

The Bateses may have had a lot of home births, but the care for the youngest and any others who had ICU time would be more than $200K.

sandi said...

Kelly uses a Christian Clinic for the pregnancies;I don't know the gist of it but it seems to me those would be meant more for young families who find themselves in a bind and need free health care,rather than large families with many children purposely out to have more (who get to be on paid tv at that).JMO.

rudy tecat said...

I just figured out tha Josh de-friended me on instagram...it might have been my reference to the Republican majority congress in a response to his comment on the state of the economy.

Beth Anne said...

Re: the Bates family being asked about the same people (Kim Kardashian, Bieber, etc.) the last 3 interviews...

I also call BS on them not having any clue as to who these people are by now. They probably have SOME notion, but are not allowed to admit it, lest they be publicly outed as "wordly" in any way, shape, or form. They must toe the Gothard line of being more Godly than those outside the circle.

Though some aspects of popular culture make me cringe, I absolutely ADORE the Harry Potter series and other books or movies that would be labeled as somehow demonic by fundamentalists. I have a fundie-lite sibling who has not allowed my nieces/nephews to read or watch anything Harry Potter, due to the "magic" involved. Believe me, reading every book and watching every movie has NOT made me or my children less holy or turned us away from God. It's a classic story of good versus evil, but I guess when you view the world in black or white terms and are so rigid about what is "acceptable," you cannot see the beauty of a highly imaginative world and characters you can root for!

tulip said...

Speaking of the Bateses being Duggar clones-the clips they showed just make it that much worse. Gil commenting in the restaurant on how high the prices are is exactly what Jim Bob did. The girls looking on in awe of the skyscrapers and the subway & Central Park experiences-ditto. It was obvious the network was trying to spark some controversy by slipping in "you have no health insurance", and asking Kelly about her use of hormones to help her pregnancies stay viable at her older age.
And one final nod to the Duggars, clips showing the Bates kids enjoying the same safety hazard as the Duggars did in their Today Show segment-jumping around on worn out trampolines with the springs exposed. Wonder if after the Duggars got blasted for that a few months ago, they got new ones and handed down the old one to the Bateses? (Almost looked like the same one, lol.)

Nancy said...

Stop the presses! The Duggars rescued some kittens!

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-matters/meet-newest-members-duggar-household-kittens.html#mkcpgn=fbtlc1

And that Michelle, how generous to offer to help with the feedings when she finally noticed her kid were walking zombies. Sweet.

She also mentioned "two older kittens." I think those are the orange ones we've seen with Josh and Anna. It probably became quickly apparent that they have no idea how to take care of animals (they can barely take care of their kids, and they presumably love them).

No mention on where these cats will be once the TLC field trips ramp up this fall. I imagine they'll go by the wayside like all of their other "pets." These people should never be permitted to keep animals, large or small. Kind of like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry was on a "list" because he bounced a check at the produce market. :D

MandySue said...

I just watched the Bates thing. Ugh. My question is how do they know who Tim Tebow is and not Justin Beiber? And the Star Wars movies came out in the late 70's so Gil and Kelly would have known what that was. When you think about some things just don't ring true.

I did think it was funny that the said the rooted for Tim but not his team. Maybe they really are clueless

tulip said...

Why in the world would Gil get asked if he knows what Star Wars is? His answer was he's "heard of it"? Start Wars did indeed come out in the late 70s, and has had how many sequels, etc.? They just can't fake not knowing anything about pop culture-one trip to 'Wallyworld' (as they refer to their beloved Walmart), all that stuff is in your face around every corner, including when you walk in the front door. Don't tell me Lawson doesn't sneak a peek.

Of course Josh is posting his praises to the latest political news-wonder if the Duggar bus is getting ready to go back on the road with a whole new round of propaganda.

My guess is the only reason this whole kitten thing is being promoted is because there will surely be an episode about it, seeing that the Duggars ran out of material 3 seasons ago. All the followers will think how cute and responsible it is, and will be singing Duggar praises for their heroic rescue of the poor little guys. I'm betting by the end of the season, they will have lovingly put them up for adoption so others can share in the joy.

By the way, the pic on Anna's Instagram of Josh reading to the kids, someone posts that the kids look much older...no, actually they don't-they look their age. I wish people would stop putting Josh & Anna on this royal pedestal of parenting. Aren't they only 24 years old? ugh.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "I wish people would stop putting Josh & Anna on this royal pedestal of parenting."

I agree! I don't think they are bad parents, and I'm sure they love their kids. But just because one is on TV and promotes oneself as a role model of good Christian living does NOT make one a role model. I'm sure the sheeple were tripping over themselves to compliment Josh for reading to his kids, i.e., "You're such a good dad! blah blah blah," yet there are millions of parents out there that read to their kids. Why are the Duggars to be exalted and praised for doing something that most people do?

It reminds me of an episode of "18/19 Kids and Counting" where the Duggars were having one of their typical unstructured days at home and JimBob, of course, was wandering around the house instead of out earning a living. One of the boys created a robot or pinata or something out of boxes, and JimBob went on a bragging spree about how, since their kids don't watch TV, they are forced to be creative to entertain themselves. (The underlying message, of course, being that our way is superior to your way, peon viewer).

Newsflash, Duggar clan - even kids who grow up in "normal" homes where they watch Sesame Street, Hannah Montana, etc. make robots out of boxes! ALL kids have a creative streak, and there are thousands upon thousands of homemade robots, castles, Lego creations, doll houses, paintings, tents, etc. being created every day by young children outside the ATI world! Again, I marvel at their ignorance of what the "rest of us" do every day!

Patrice said...

Beth Anne, I totally agree. The only thing I can think of in Joshie's instagram case, is that most of his sheeple are young teen girls. He is the Justin Bieber of the fundie world. Nobody else gets the hype, but they are all over him like flies on ****. Every mundane task he does, post he writes, or poorly taken picture he takes of nothing is jumped all over by them. "OMG, Josh, BEAUTIFUL picture of those clouds!" Guess what, kids, there are hundreds of cloud pictures out there and for the most part, they aren't that exciting.
In both the case of Joshie and his parents, it is ridiculous that they tout themselves to be the best parents ever. They are so out of touch with reality that they think they are inspiring others. Can you imagine someone saying "Oh my gosh, Jim Bob just helped his kids make something out of a box! I never thought of that! I'm gonna do that too!!!!!!!!!!"

tulip said...

TLC has United Bates of America on its homepage advertising for tonight, and they think that clip 'Duggars introduce Bates' is going to win viewers? Jim Bob & Michelle standing in front of a door (their bedroom door?) telling us how they're so excited for their friends to have their own show and hope we'll tune in, basically speaking with fake facial expressions and emotion, Michelle sounds like she's reading from someone holding up a card of what she's supposed to say.

Then the Bates & Duggars are shown playing paintball together "shooting" each other, the Duggars shown helping out with their house remodel, use of a saw and other equipment wearing no safety gear whatsoever, and the Bates singing in church (the Duggars watching on, with hardly anybody else in the congregation) with girls wearing all matching hand sewn dresses, even Erin & Michaella.

Jim Bob made sure to remind everybody the Bates have been "special guests on OUR show"...

Patrice said...

I think Michelle has a look of total jealousy on her face. Someone else has caught up to them kid-wise, is now getting their own show, and better look out if Kelly can pop out one more kid when Michelle seems to be dried up in that field. Double points for Kelly if it happens to be a boy and make it the magical ten and ten both families are striving for!

MandySue said...

Jim Bob & Michelle standing in front of a door (their bedroom door?)
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Why the bedroom door?

Just how friendly are the Duggars and the Bates?

(Sorry that was the first thing I thought of)

JustMe said...

Anyone else see the promo for the new season?

Alberta Rose said...

Jessa and Jinger just LOVE taking care of the small children even though they are 17 and 18 years old and should be touring colleges and shopping for prom dresses and attending football games.

I thought females had the freedom to choose whether or not they could go to college, go to the prom or attend football games? If it's okay to influence females to do all those things, it should also be okay to influence females not to do all those things. Some choices females make don't fit in with mine. That doesn't mean I think aethism, Catholism, Liberalism, Baptist or Republicism is wrong and I"m going to villify it.

Beth Anne said...

Re: " If it's okay to influence females to do all those things, it should also be okay to influence females not to do all those things."

The concern of many on this board is that, for the Duggar's teenage girls and young adult women, it goes beyond just 'influencing' or 'encouraging' them not to do those things, but outright forbidding them. In other words, they are NOT given the freedom to choose whether or not they could go to college, go to the prom, or attend football games. You're right in that it is some people's opinion that young females "should" be doing these things, and you seem to be saying those opinions are just as rigid as those of parents who outright forbid such activities.

The fact has been brought up before that Michelle went to public high school, had more than one boyfriend, kissed JimBob prior to marriage, etc., and now we find out that Gil Bates was a state champion wrestler from his high school. They turned out to be God-loving Christians and generally good people, yet there is frustration by myself and others that they knowingly deny their children the same opportunities to participate in school activities, make friendships with those outside their religious circles and families, go to sporting events or even PLAY sports (no girls allowed), etc.

Also, not all children will have the same interests, as God made everyone unique, but the Duggars, Bates parents, etc. present the SAME path to their daughters as the only option - stay home, take care of their younger siblings until dad-approved courtship happens, get married, then start their own families. Not all Duggar daughters have the internal gifts to thrive in a child-rearing role.

ImaFan said...

I just wonder about the potential damage that has been done to these young girls in all the focus of child baring. What will happen to any of them if the one day their Daddy approved Prince asks to marry them, they walk down the aisle, kiss for the first time, consummate the marriage and find out months or years later that they are not capable of getting pregnant? Will Jim Bob and Michelle be there to support their daughter, or will they make her believe she did something wrong to encourage being barren? I hope considering the hoopla that surrounded the miscarriage that they would be supportive. But I can't help feeling that the prized pregnant belly they strive to have time and again does cloud their judgement on the psyche of the young lady. I can just imagine Michelle in her baby voice telling her grown daughter that she needs to show her husband how good a wife she can be by honoring him in a godly way, and to pray that God will bless their marriage after she is sure to have honored him riotously. This is all my speculation and opinion.

londonbridges said...

Well-stated, Beth Anne. I have been one of many posters who believe that the Duggars females do not have the freedom of choice. IMHO, JimBob and Michelle are wrong to not allow the freedom they themselves had.

Alberta Rose said...

Also, not all children will have the same interests, as God made everyone unique, but the Duggars, Bates parents, etc. present the SAME path to their daughters as the only option - stay home, take care of their younger siblings until dad-approved courtship happens, get married, then start their own families. Not all Duggar daughters have the internal gifts to thrive in a child-rearing role.

Given that one of the Duggar girls is a photograpber, one is working to become a midwife and at an age when even some secular females start wondering about getting involved with a man, the older Duggar girls don't seem too obsessed with moving out, getting married and popping out babies. They seem quite content to go on lectures with their mom and learn their chosen careers.

Andrea said...

I could be wrong, but I think some of the older adult Duggar daughter's will not have vast numbers of children or may choose to not have any children. I worked with a women once who was the oldest of five and she said she would never have children, after all the babysitting and childcare she did as a young adult helping her mother. The Duggar's are sucking the life out of thier daughter's no wonder Jana nor the others have married.

Patrice said...

Hopefully you are right, Andrea. There is no way TLC is going to support 19 families of Duggars who have hordes of children themselves. And with no education or skills of their own, and most likely marrying men who dabble in small town businesses as Gothard dictates, there is no way they will be able to support more than a couple of children each. Hopefully this is the path that Josh and Anna are taking. At least Anna must realize the gravy train is going to roar to halt soon, even if Joshie doesn't. I'm betting on a secret stash of BC pills under the bed.

Beth Anne said...

In regards to:

"Given that one of the Duggar girls is a photograpber, one is working to become a midwife...They seem quite content to...learn their chosen careers."

I am nitpicking here, I know :)

However, I think this paints a rosier picture than what the reality of the situation is. Jinger is not a professional photographer who has embarked on a full-time career in the field. She is exploring an interest (which is great!), but right now it is a weekend type thing where she is accompanied by someone else. It IS great she is learning the ropes and doing something she likes, but she will not be going to a photography school or college to achieve a B.A. in Fine Arts.

It has also been pointed out before that Photography and midwifery are two of the "Gothard-approved" work situations for women. I am not putting a spin on this to make Gothard seem evil, either :)

I thought it might be helpful to copy and paste information from
Vyckie Garrison of No Longer Quivering:

"A Quiverfull daughter is taught from a young age that her purpose in life is to serve the man whom God has placed in authority over her. She serves her father while she lives at home (she does this primarily by assisting her mother in domestic duties and child care). She absolutely must remain a virgin and is taught to expect to meet and marry her future husband through a father-led match-making process called “courtship.” Her education is geared toward developing domestic skills ~ college is generally considered unnecessary and even dangerous for her spiritual well-being."

So, on the surface it might seem like the Duggar girls are content at home, exploring their "career paths," but Jinger will never leave home on her own, get an apartment in NYC, and launch an independent photography business, even if she wanted to.

Patrice said...

"Jinger will never leave home on her own, get an apartment in NYC, and launch an independent photography business, even if she wanted to."
Nor will she be able to even do that in middle-of-nowhere Arkansas, or any other place away from her parents, or a husband who will receive the official "transfer of authority" at her wedding. Even if the future Mr. Jinger lets his wife practice her hobby, it will probably just be to take pictures of "like-minded" weddings and such. I don't think anyone else would hire an ameteur with no formal schooling to photograph their big day. Those are a dime a dozen these days.

Don't Doubt It said...

I know the reruns on TLC as of late were in lead up to the launch of the Bates show, but they've also been highlighting the births of all three child-bearing women, too. I feel a new birth announcement is coming soon. I also now feel that Kelly will reach the 20 milestone before Michelle will, but I don't know if she will be the next one pregnant or not... sadly will probably be Anna.

Maybe not for the board, but any thought to making this the 'Duggars AND Bates Without Pity' site?

Nancy said...

So that's it. Michelle declares that Josie is "caught up to all her milestones." Michelle should catch up on some of her own; the syntax in this article would make Baby Jesus cry.

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/health-wellness/michelle-duggar-her-daughters-journey-preemie-toddler.html

I've read from other premie moms that some milestones can't be determined until the child is around kindergarten-aged. Certain cognitive abilities can't be assessed until then. Oh well, it's not like Michelle heard the doctor tell her that; Josie can hang with the older kids, so her job as a mother is done. She's off to Jessa and "Wisdom Book" time [that's Gothard paraphenalia], and sing-along with the hand gestures that we've all seen before.

I'm glad Josie is catching up, but I'm curious what happened to her floating intestines. Does she still have a special diet for her early lactose issues? There's a lot Michelle left unsaid that even a casual fan would remember from the whole ordeal, which lasted an entire "season."

Nancy said...

D'oh! Forgot to link the article. These seem to be appearing regularly on Fridays.

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/health-wellness/michelle-duggar-her-daughters-journey-preemie-toddler.html

Sharla said...

No thought of changing the name of the blog. The Bates show would have to go over 2 million next week for me to even think about it. I'm expecting it to go even further down and shortly to land in oblivion.

Please remember we can't edit comments and if you wish to send something private or would be boards on boards then please send it by email or separately. Thanks.

Alysa said...

It makes me sad that none of the girls, like Jinger, probably won't get to live out their dreams. Not that being a Mother isn't a dream -- it is. It just seems like Jinger loves photography, and even if she wanted to, she probably wouldn't know how to stand up to her parents and make her own choices. Out of all of the Duggar girls, she is the one I can see in NYC living out her dreams.

Miggy said...

Notice Michelle said Josie had "caught up" using her "adjusted" age. She has not caught up if they are still adjusting her age. Josie may still be lucky and have no problems but I really wish Michelle would be honest.

MandySue said...

They seem quite content to...learn their chosen careers.
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The Duggar girls (and boys) are content much like a goldfish is content...They don't know they have a choice to live outside the bowl.

Alberta Rose said...

Notice Michelle said Josie had "caught up" using her "adjusted" age. She has not caught up if they are still adjusting her age. Josie may still be lucky and have no problems but I really wish Michelle would be honest.

I wish all parents of prematue babies would be honest and not use phrases like "caught up" and "adjusted" age. It's very annoying and confusing. I also wonder how premies feel when they get older?

Shoka's Understudy said...

They can leave!

They can contact a lawyer (out of state) and sue for their portion of the wages that they earned from filming the show. I am sure that someone would let them stay with them until they could get a settlement from their parents and TLC.

I know it would be hard for them to leave, but they do have a choice.

Jana is 22? She should of already finished college by now and started her career.

I know John David wanted to be a pilot, but JimBob shot that down.

JimBob, you do know that they have Christian pilots in the mission fields.

It steams me that Gothard did not allow himself to be filmed at David and Pricillas wedding. Just walked in kinda anonomously, unloaded his cult poison and left.

Elspeth said...

Sue for what? They have no grounds that I can see. The adult children have either participated voluntarily as seen by the court or they have been paid. In Arkansas there is no provision for the minor children. TLC would pay Jim Bob for the "Duggar Family" and it would be presumed that the parents would look out for the welfare of the children.

tulip said...

Looks like Josh is really starting to actually experience the negative side of being "famous"-anyone else see the comments on his Instagram, starting with someone praising the Duggar fam, then taking a turn for the worse in the next couple pics using the f-bomb, followed by another post telling Josh off for blocking this person's 'other account'...hope Josh removes the f-bomb quickly, or he might be held responsible for majorly defrauding many young minds. Maybe Josh will come to his senses-deflate his big head and make his social media more private, for the sake of his family for starters.

Alberta Rose said...

Jana is 22? She should of already finished college by now and started her career.

The Duggar females are taking a stand against the attitude that women can only have value if they go to college and have a career. I respect, not belittle females who choose that route. I encourage and uplift them, not condemn them.

Elspeth said...

If that were Jana's free choice, then I'd be happy for her decision. The horror of this situation is that is isn't Jana's choice. It's the Duggars following the childless crackpot Gothard is why Jana has NO CHOICE. I can never celebrate deliberately keeping children ignorant so that they will be more likely to follow a certain religious leader. If choice is not fully informed, it is NOT a choice and is nothing to be proud of.

Andrea said...

I think when Shoka's Understudy refers to suing, she's referring to financial compensation. If anyone over the age of 18 appeared in the show and doesn't have his / her own bank account, he or she could argue they are entitled to financial compensation from the show. I would imagine that Arkansas doesn’t have the strong children actor labor laws (unlike California), which would mean that anyone under the age of 18 appearing on TV, their money is going to the parents, but certainly, anyone over the age of 18 is entitled to a pay check. The fact is, we don’t know if the adult Duggar children are being paid.

Elspeth said...

The problem is that the adults can't sue for compensation when they have "voluntarily" participated. They can't have it both ways. They either have to not be filmed or negotiate for payment with TLC. They can't turn around in a year or two and sue for compensation from TLC or anyone else.

It would as if one of us agreed to babysit a neighbor's child and not ask for any money. We can't decide to sue two years later for salary for babysitting.

Beth Anne said...

Re:
"The Duggar females are taking a stand against the attitude that women can only have value if they go to college and have a career."

Exactly who is taking a stand against this attitude? Jana, Jessa, Jill, Jinger, and JoyAnna? Or is it JimBob, Michelle, and the other parents who adhere to ATI teachings or Gothard rules, instead of ascertaining what is best for each of their children as individuals? I don't think the girls have independently analyzed the issue and come to the conclusion that they do not want a career or to go to college. They have been told that those aren't choices that would be pleasing to the Lord. I, for one, believe God has plans for each Duggar child/young adult, and those plans may or may not include college or an outside-the-house career.

And, to use Jana as an example, she does not go to college or have a career, so what exactly is she doing, 6-7 years after obtaining her G.E.D.? What is her role? Wife and mother in waiting? I am not saying this to belittle Jana, because she is a beautiful young woman, but she is basically a stay-at-home daughter helping with child-rearing chores. She is not taking a stand...she is on the only path presented to her as an option.

If the situation arises where she gets married, THEN she can "take a stand" and choose whether not to be a stay-at-home wife and mother, once the children come along.

Elspeth said...

Would a lawyer take your case if you decided to sue your boss because you disliked the salary that you had worked for and agreed to accept two years ago?

Alberta Rose said...

Exactly who is taking a stand against this attitude? Jana, Jessa, Jill, Jinger, and JoyAnna? Or is it JimBob, Michelle, and the other parents who adhere to ATI teachings or Gothard rules, instead of ascertaining what is best for each of their children as individuals?

There are parents and people who teach their daughters the only option is to go to college, have a career and put any children they have in Daycare. To condemn one group while accepting the other extreme is to behave like the Duggars, just standing up for the opposite extreme.

Elspeth said...

So life has to be one extreme or the other? I don't agree with that. There are plenty of women who get educated, work, and find arrangements for childcare with grandparents or other similar situations, and aren't caught with no options in case Prince Charming er their headship dies or becomes disabled.

MandySue said...

I remember from the earliest specials that when asked Michelle said that the girls couls be anything but right now they ALL have a heart to be wives and stay at home and that was when they were all under 10 or so.

With that many girls doesn't ONE want to be a nurse (not a midwife)? Or a dancer? Or a teacher? Or a dolphin trainer? Or a policewoman?

I am all about encourging kids to be what and who they want to be but it's odd that ALL the kids are EXACTLY alike. They want big families, they want jobs were they work for themselves, they want to be mommies and daddies.

The Duggars aren't giving the kids any options other than what the parents can control.

What kind of parents still want their 22 year old unemployed children living with them?

Parents should encourage their children to live on their own. To find their own way.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "There are parents and people who teach their daughters the only option is to go to college, have a career and put any children they have in Daycare."

You are likely correct, but there is a difference between "teaching" this as the preferred option and imposing that path. I don't see how any parent could actually ENFORCE your example with their adult daughters.

But, I think you missed my main point, which was this:

"I don't think the girls have independently analyzed the issue and come to the conclusion that they do not want a career or to go to college."

I am for individual choices, guided by one's personal relationship with God and the insights and wisdom God provides each person about what he or she should be doing with his/her life - be it college, trade school, being a stay-at-home mom, etc.

Beth Anne said...

Sorry for the add-on post, but I forgot to add this one point with respect to the Duggar girls being taught that going to college and being an outside the home working mother is wrong...

Whereas parents who teach the "opposite" attitude really can't enforce their beliefs, should the adult daughter have a baby then choose to stay home, etc., the Duggar parents CAN enforce their beliefs by refusing to pay for their daughters to attend a bricks-and-mortar college, refusing to co-sign any type of college loan or loan for an apartment, etc., as well as by screening their adult daughter's e-mails, phone calls, etc. and only allowing pre-approved "courters" to have any contact with them.

Nancy said...

There are parents and people who teach their daughters the only option is to go to college, have a career and put any children they have in Daycare. To condemn one group while accepting the other extreme is to behave like the Duggars, just standing up for the opposite extreme.

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I've never heard of any of my friend's parents (even those who were professors), or my friends who currently have kids in high school, that college was the ONLY option for their lives. In general, they value education, but kids I know exhibiting talent in other areas go to art school, or apprentice in a trade to become electricians or mechanics.

The mantra I hear is "We want you to find yourself, and we'll support you regardless of the path it takes to get you there."

Susanna Keller was posting on her Google account the other day and informed a person who used to know her that wearing the skirts and becoming homemakers was not HER conviction, but, she said very emphatically, her PARENTS'. The Duggar daughters were raised just as the Keller girls, to parrot the party line, so who knows what they really believe, or want. Do they see Susanna and her siblings who have left Gothard as something to aspire to, or pity?

The truth is, all of the kids have had some exposure to the "real world," certainly with the opportunities from the show, far more than the Kellers, but they still don't know who Justin Bieber is (or who Dolly Parton was) except through the filter that Jim Bob and Michelle give them. How can these girls make really informed choices other than "stay" or "go" based on the slant of the information presented them, with no opportunity to see the other side, something a kid whose parents value education more and are given more ability to exercise their minds critically?

Sadly, I don't think any of the 18+ kids are earning a dime from the show; the credits thank "Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and Family." Josh gets a similar credit on episodes in which he's the main feature. I'm afraid all they get is their lousy .03 cents/completed jurisdiction, just like they did when they were kids. I doubt they'll ever see that money either; lord knows how you get your payout.

Bottom line, the Duggar kids have choices, limited to what Gothard's doctrine says they can do to remain "good Christians." I'd rather be the kid whose parents cared enough to do whatever possible to help them achieve their dreams, grow and mature into real adults, not the infantalized versions we see in both the Duggar and Bates families.

sandi said...

In a legal manner of speaking,no one can keep anyone over 18 there.If need be,they could emancipate themselves from their parents,which would mean they could get school loans and grants,without their parents signatures.And they certainly woulnd't need them to get a job.
I can't see any of them having the nerve to do that though,esp.with them being in the public eye.
And yes,they might have the right to sue,recall that other ppl on television have done it.I used to work for an online co. where I volunteered,and,later a couple of the volunteers decided to sue,claiming they were employees,and they won the lawsuit and were paid for the time they put in.

Patrice said...

I have never in my life heard someone say that what they want to do when they grow up is stay home and raise their parents' children. I really doubt that the Duggar women had this in mind at age 10, 14, 18, or any age. Being a stay at home slave to your parents is really not a career choice.
As far as the money from the show goes, I'm sure that is another thing that they are just too naive to know about. If they have never watched TV or read a newspaper, they may not even know that their parents are making money off them. If they ever read a paper or heard the news they would know about some of those child actors who found out when they grew up that their parents had spent all the money the child made on the show. Then they might stop and think: Hey, aren't we owed some compensation for this? But, it is just another example of the parents keeping the kids uneducated and uninformed about the real world. How can this be fair to any of them?

tulip said...

Will the Duggars still be on the Today Show now that Ann is gone? First Meredith, now Ann. Wonder if that segment with Savannah a few months back was to help the Duggars warm up to someone new, so they would still make appearances.

Interesting in Michelle's latest blog post about Josie catching up to her milestones, she just has to mention homeschooling-and not just homeschooling, but specifically sitting at the table with Michelle teaching the kids their wisdom books...weren't we just talking about the fact Duggar "homeschooling" is mostly on computers with the older girls teaching, or rather "helping", the younger ones with their computer work? Hmmm, now we're back to old style sitting around the dining room table with Michelle holding up her little booklet?

Miggy said...

Correct me if I am wrong but I understood that Duggar homeschool had always included ATI Wisdom Booklets which mainly involves the whole family sitting around the diningroom table memorising the bible. Academic subjects are done on the computer by children grade 3 and higher.



Beth Anne said...

Sandi said: "In a legal manner of speaking,no one can keep anyone over 18 there.If need be,they could emancipate themselves from their parents,which would mean they could get school loans and grants,without their parents signatures.And they certainly woulnd't need them to get a job."

Legally speaking, yes. But you're right in that they would be too fearful to do so. And, the heartbreaking part for me is that the adult daughters, in particular, are not financially independent enough to break free of the compound, because they do not earn sufficient money to do so. Even for Josh's car lot business, JimBob was the co-signer of the loan, I believe, and seeing that none of the older daughters have ever held a full-time paying job outside the home, they are more or less "stuck." Gothard has put forth the mandate that unmarried daughters are under their father's authority, until the daughter gets married, at which time the authority gets "transferred" to the husband. As such, there isn't too much the Duggar girls can do in terms of striking out on their own, if they wanted to.

tulip said...

Yeah, the little kids have always done those wisdom books-just noticing how certain topics come up in a rather timely manner with those blogs. There have been several things the Duggars have gotten criticism for over the years, and it seems like whatever happens to be the hot topic of the moment, it suddenly gets "addressed" in an episode (more recently the 'q & a' episodes) or, now, these Parentables blog posts.

Seems like it really started with the college talk, as the older kids started getting to that age. Rather quickly, the Duggars became all about CollegePlus, with the promo videos, talking about it in the episodes, blog posts, and wearing the t-shirts (BTW, haven't seen a t-shirt since.) Other topics have been courtship (to address 'dating'), healthy food/meals & snacks (after all the canned/pre-packaged, skittles & pickles we've seen them chowing down on), attempting to make use of their land, planting a garden and fruit trees, and now, the on-going talk about Michelle delegating the homeschooling to the older girls. I just found it interesting that particular tidbit just happened to be "mentioned" in the blog, and in such detail to boot.

sandi said...

>Gothard has put forth the mandate that unmarried daughters are under their father's authority, until the daughter gets married, at which time the authority gets "transferred" to the husband. As such, there isn't too much the Duggar girls can do in terms of striking out on their own, if they wanted to.

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Yes,I wanted to scream when Anna's father said that at her wedding.This is a full-grown woman,for goodness sake...she can live on her on if she wants! I have no problem with it being considered symbolic,but please,in all due respect,I wanted to scream "treat her as the adult she is!" Women are not children,property,or cattle to be handed down and passed along as their father sees fit.JMO.

tulip said...

It really all boils down to Gothard and his IBLP, doesn't it? As an early, albeit naive, Duggar fan, I was interested in looking into the Jim Sammons series, the cookbook they promote in their first book, and even some of the homeschool stuff, just to maybe help my youngest one get ready for kindergarten. I had no clue when I walked into my local Christian bookstore, where I have bought many a book, and asked about those "Duggar recommended" books, the staff would not have heard of them! When I checked with a hugely popular Christian book website, which the Duggars now even link to on their site, THOSE books were not there. It wasn't until I started looking into it, that I actually learned what this IBLP/Gothard was.
Pretty sneaky...I say sneaky because the Duggars never mentioned anything about it, they just made them sound like any other mainstream Christian resources you could pick off the shelf. Sure, they eventually (briefly) talked about the ATI honeschooling conference (since it was part of their show of course), etc., but still have yet to acknowledge how much of a role Bill Gothard actually plays in their "faith".

Sharla said...

I know, Tulip. I wasn't looking for the material to use with my children, but for information. It was a little disturbing to discover how far from mainstream it was.

Nancy said...

I wasn't looking for the material to use with my children, but for information. It was a little disturbing to discover how far from mainstream it was.

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This is the part that really chaps my hide. They make it appear that they are just a *little* bit more conservative in their values and religion than "regular familes" (tm Josiah). However, the more I googled stuff like "ATI bound" plastered on the back of a trailer in one of the early specials as well as the aformentioned Jim Sammons and was horrified at the stuff I read. Seeing my parents under the control of Harold Camping for many years (he was the nutjob who predicted the apocalpyse last year), and obviously able to spot false prophets when I saw them, I had no doubt that Gothard was a dangerously disingenuous snake oil salesman.

Then I started to read the horror stories from survivors and realized what I knew then was only the tip of the iceberg. That led my inquisitive mind to look into Gothard more,ing even buy the excellent book "A Matter of Basic Principles" to learn more about the guy and what motivated him to screw up the lives of so many families.

The only thing that gives me some hope is observing the defections in the Keller family and hoping for the same once the Duggars and Bateses are off the air. I hope the men that Jim Bob picks to marry his daughters have the same doubts as Anna's sister Rebekah's husband did after being in the belly of the beast, and get out. The Recovering Grace site is great because it supports those who don't want to turn their backs on whatever they found positive in their walk with God and get rid of all the legalism without the guilt that is a Gothard staple.

sandi said...

How anyone could fall under Gothard's spell,idk,but it would be interesting to know who exactly got the Duggars and Bates to join ATI.Don't they have to have a family sponsor the,or can they just join? Either way,they had to have heard about it from somewhere.
In the Duggars case,I suspect they became friends with a likewise family (like the Holts,perhaps),and then got into it that way.That would make sense,seeing as they're into politics,and so was Jim Bob at the time.JMO.

Angie said...

Just saw Josh posted on his instagram that we should support Todd Akin and that he misspoke and apologized. Wow. The picture he posted with it looked like he was about to donate some of his TLC cash to his campaign.

Sharla said...

Michelle's latest Parentables.
http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-matters/michelle-duggar-celebrating-kids-small-daily-wins.html

Not enough meat there to warrant its own post.

Beth Anne said...

Re: Michelle's latest Parentables.

I am in a snarky mood on a Friday afternoon, so I can't just let this one sit without comment :)

The good part is that she is giving Josiah some much deserved praise and acknowledging his "gifts" in a public way. I am happy when Michelle notices or comments on any of her children on an INDIVIDUAL basis, since so often it seems they are just lined up like monkeys in age order to be counted on the Duggar number line.

However, as award-winning Homeschool Mother of the Year, shouldn't SHE be helping the little ones with their school work? If Josiah is as busy as she claims she is, and Jessa does the bulk of the, ahem, "teaching," why on Earth isn't Michelle front and center of these one-on-one tutoring sessions? Also, it's great that he does yard work and cleans bathrooms, but those chores are pretty typical of most teenage boys, especially the yard work. Maybe it's nice that she is acknowledging him for doing them without complaint, hence talking about "little victories" in life, but he's also probably scared that his hair would be shaved off or something if he did not maintain a "cheerful countenance."

Nancy said...

Could she cram the word "diligent" (or its forms) into that "article" a few more times? /eyeroll

That was a painful read, but if you look closely, she basically admits she's only been TOLD about how Josiah diligently cleans the toilets?

Basically another smack at the critics to prove her kids aren't pining away waiting for Prince Charming and younger ones are actually attending school. Although if Josiah broke away and wanted to attend a real university, he'd have to watch it with those CLEP credits; many institutions only take some, and other schools don't accept any at all (as is the case with my alma mater).

She really, really needs someone to proofread these things. The first paragraph could have been 3 sentences, utilizing a semi-colon after "First Responders," or 4 short sentences. Her run-on's make me want to tear my hair out; she taught her oldest kids grammar at the dining room table. When reading Josh's social media, his deficiencies show. I wasn't until TLC came along and fitted them up with the bank of Apple computers and an online network (they just had one old computer at the old place with a monitor c.1985) that they went "online" with their homeschooling. No surprise that the program is advertised on their website; what AREN'T these people getting comped for them these days?

Nancy said...

Forgot to add: for those who watched David and Priscilla's wedding online, it looks like we're going to be subjected to the screeching violins that were part of the music as people entered the church. I saw Scott the cameraman sitting up front and the angle of the kids entering the stage that was shown confirms his position in the church.

I'm still pissed that Gothard wouldn't allow himself and his message of misogyny to be taped for the show. When all's said and done, he's really a coward. If he knew his words would resonate with the masses, he'd allow himself to be shown on national TV. Just more proof that if IBLP isn't a cult, it exhibits many shared features.

Nancy said...

...it would be interesting to know who exactly got the Duggars and Bates to join ATI.
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IIRC, Michelle wrote about it in the first book. She was looking for Christian homeschooling curriculums. Before the internet, getting approved took a while (parents had to attend a bunch of money-sucking "basic" and "advanced" seminars) which is why Josh attended kindergarten at a Christian school.

Willow said...

Tulip, Nancy, et al: You are so right. The sneakiness was something I was ticked about when I realized what was going on. I actually enjoyed the Duggars - for the most part - until I found out how extreme they really were, when I started reading about Mr. Gothard. I just couldn't believe they were involved in something like that. It was quite shocking to me at first. Since then, it has just been fascination for me and trying to figure out the clue to why they could believe this stuff - especially since neither one was raised in this belief.

Another thing I wanted to mention -which is off this track - but, in general, I can easily pick up where Gil and Kelly's college education shows. Maybe its just me, but I can subtly see it sometimes. So sorry their children won't likely get that experience.

My other comment is about Josh and Mr. Akin. I live in Missouri, so have heard a lot about this issue. I was wondering if Josh would proclaim his support -- and he did. No surprise there. I am afraid Mr. Akin is a scary, scary person. JMO.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "My other comment is about Josh and Mr. Akin. I live in Missouri, so have heard a lot about this issue. I was wondering if Josh would proclaim his support -- and he did."

This sickens me. I lean to the Republican/Conservative side and wanted to personally drive to Mr. Akin's house and punch his lights out. I cannot believe he did not withdraw from the election immediately, and have NO idea why Josh would support him, other than he has such a big ego himself that he cannot fathom admitting that someone on "his side" (i.e., a conservative) is dead wrong.

Flower Child said...

Gee Josiah's chores sound an awful lot like a punishment to me. Something tells me the Duggars' discipline is harsh. I do hope some of the older kids start breaking free, and can later help the little to get out. But I its hard to leave a cult you're constantly afraid of going to hell not realizing that you're living in hell. Its spiritual abuse.

stephanie said...

Liberty University is about 1 hour away from where I live and I watched Jimbob & Michelle speak there on youtube last fall. Interesting
1. 5 girls played a couple of tunes on the fiddle, terrible, but at least JoyAnna is now considered an "older girl"
2. I always assumed Jimbob pimped out the family to the cable networks. He explained how a discovery producer found them. When he ran for state senate the AP printed a picture of the entire family at the voting booth and a producer saw it.
3. Jimbob did talk bad about his dad.. they lost their house, dad wasn't Godly, mom had to work at yogurt shop because of dad etc
4. Several times Jimbob says "God laid it on my heart to do such-n-such" instead of "I decided to do such-n-such"

What happened to free will? Maybe God "laid on his dads heart" to make the decisions that lead to their foreclosure? Great way to say "I decided to run for state senate" "I decided to put my family on tv". "I decided to only date like minded Christians"

According to Jimbob, God directly speaks to him on a regular basis and Jimbob NEVER decides to do anything outrageous. Its always God himself telling Jimbob to do things over and over again.

Flower Child said...

I think the only reason Jimbob's Dad is considered bad is because he dared to question Jimbob. He wasn't in favor of Jimbob & Michelle having so many kids and wasn't afraid to voice his opinion. I bet that poor old man had a horrible last months of life. In a cult if you're not agreeing with them then you're evil and of the devil.

Leah said...

Jim Bob says "God laid it on my heart" because nobody can question your motives, actions, or decisiowhoever you say that. If God told him, it can't be questioned. It's a slick little trick these people like to pull. Jim Bob would be wise to keep in mind that ANYONE can say that. Kind of like the woman who claimed that God told her to drown her children.

Andrea said...

For those of you interested in the youtube video mentioned above in Stephanie’s comment, please see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU8G7ZK2mig

I’m curious to know why the Duggar’s can attend a University to speak but find University education so abhorrent that they do not allow their children to attend. I just don’t buy: “Our children love being with us so much, they don’t want to go away to University.” College Plus provides all the education they require.

Jim Bob really disses his Dad in the opening 10 minutes of the talk. I just want to point out, there is no way his family was in that tight a financial situation, otherwise Jim Bob would have been in Public School. His parent’s obviously had enough money for tuition. Secondly, you just know if he attended Christian Highschool on scholarship he would have bragged to high heaven about his academic accomplishments.

Finally, the “we keep strict control over our children’s access to the internet. We allow them to surf the web in pairs to keep them from acting in an ungodly manner.” Really? Many of your children are adults, legally they are allowed to view anything they choose on the internet and preventing them from doing so would be a violation of their rights. Also, love the joke about the Razorbacks Football. Can someone please tell me how exactly do they watch football games if they don’t owe a TV? I say, yet another Duggar lie. Also it doesn’t occur to any of the children, hey we can watch football games from the University but we can’t attend class?

Beth Anne said...

Re: "It would be interesting to know who exactly got the Duggars and Bates to join ATI."

I think the situation is kind of like how many of us initially "joined" the Duggar fan club when the first season or so of their show was on. We were "sold" this image of a perfect Christian family and all the talk of, our family does it this way, regular folks so it that way was kind of a gentle admonition of the way us non-ATI folk were living our lives. I know I, for one, looked at my own life and thought, well, maybe I SHOULD be homeschooling or not allowing my kids to date, etc.

Yet, I recognized some of the legalistic stuff from fundie lite family members and friends I have, and it started to make me feel uncomfortable. And, I also had two very clear "jump the shark" moments with the T.V. show. I'd be interested to hear if any others had such moments, too!

The first was one of the many field trips they took, where Michelle was blathering on about the great educational experiences they provide their children since they are not limited to a classroom, etc. They were on some river cruise, can't remember the details, but the guide told them the name of the river, like "Chattanooga" and Michelle says in her baby robot voice, "Children, repeat after me, Chattanooga" and they dutifully did so. Half the kids are teenagers at that point, and I'm thinking, THIS is the wonderful education experience she is talking about? Heck, a two year old can parrot back something. When my public school kids went on field trips even in elementary school, the class would spend weeks learning about the subject matter that related to the field trip, such as geology and eco-systems, etc.

The other jump the shark moment was the entire Josh-Anna wedding, from the hand sex to the no dancing at the reception, because dancing is "bad." What really turned the tide for me, however, was Michelle's lack of emotional attachment to the entire situation. I will no doubt be a bluthering idiot when my oldest gets married, yet the most I saw from her pathetic side hug to her first born son on his wedding day. That told me the Duggars are not about letting their hearts sing with joy at the goodness of God, but about control and acting "correctly."

Stephanie said...

The Liberty University speech also said Michelles family was moving to NC and Jimbob wanted to quickly propose and it took some convincing. Har har har.

Wasn't Michelle 17? Didn't she wear grandma Duggars wedding dress? Maybe Michelles family actually objected to this wedding more than they like to let on. I wouldn't want to wear my future mother in laws dress but it sounds like Michelles family didn't pay. Maybe they couldn't or maybe they had a bad feeling and didn't want her to get married so young. Something strange there.

Sharla doesn't like personal notes but God "laid it on my heart" NOT to have anymore children after my 3rd child. Haha I am going to start using that one as a catch all as well.

tulip said...

Josh & Anna from courtship/engagement to wedding is one thing that put me over the edge as well. So much legalism and lack of emotion just started popping out to me one thing after another. From no kissing (not even pecks on the cheek), no hugs but, as we have referred to it as, the hand-sex ok? Yuck., to Anna's dad going into his dissertation on wine was grape juice back in Biblical times. Josh & Anna, IMO, never showed that head over heels emotion of any kind. I really realized the lack after watching how Zach sweat bullets over Sarah. I noticed the lack of emotional attachment from Michelle also. Everything just seemed so robotic. And then the whole thing ended with Josh & Anna in the car listening to Ed Wheat talk about "the wedding night", cut to the hotel door closing.-as if to say, 'we're married!, now we can have sex!'...again, yuck. Nothing sweet or romantic the way that was portrayed-just more legalism, another box gets a checkmark.

MandySue said...

In Arkansas you have to have parental consent if you marry before you are 18. Maybe JimBob just wore her parents out bothering them about it unitl they finally said yes.

Like a kid wanting a dog- "Please please..I'll feed it and water it and walk it...Please please. it won't ever bother you. Please please" (I am not saying that Michelle is a dog btw)

Hannah said...

I guess someone tried to pay with a counterfeit bill. He took a picture and all. I wonder if it really "fake".


If it did happen, the person should be punished for trying to do what they did. However, maybe he will learn a lesson with all the money he wastes and tracts they give out.

Nancy said...

However, maybe he will learn a lesson with all the money he wastes and tracts they give out.

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Especially the ones that look like Benjamins that they give to waitresses after serving parties of 20 or more in lieu of a tip.

Sharla said...

Cousin Amy talking about her boyfriend, if you care to read.

examiner.com/article/amy-duggar-talks-about-family-boyfriend-and-premiere-of-19-kids-and-counting

Nancy said...

Read the Amy thing and wondered what she expects herself to do once she's chained to one place because her husband has a J-O-B (he graduated with an engineering degree of some sort).

At least she admits she's almost 26 and never had anything resembling a career, let alone a "job," other than being an extra on her uncle's reality show.

Amber said...

I wonder if the reason there has been no Josh and Anna "announcements" is because Anna finally realized what she married and the sex has died out. I feel sorry for her, I am 24 and I would be so miserable in her life.

I would love to see the Duggar girls to amount to more than a servant, to her parents or a man.

Andrea said...

Oh Amy. It’s actually kind of sad. She’s as hopeless as her slave sister mom cousins. Educated men wante educated women. Has she not done at least one or two years of college while waiting on her Nashville dreams? This whole family is just so cringe worthy.

Andrea said...

I love Beth Ann’s question about "jump the shark" moments with the T.V. show. I'd be interested to hear if any others had such moments, too! I’ll admit it took me a few years before I had my moment. I didn’t find Josh and Anne’s courtship / wedding too much, although I did find her Dad’s comments creepy. I let that slide. I hadn’t really picked up on Michelle’s frigidness, but it’s becoming increasingly apparent.

My moment came the second they announced number 20. I turned the TV off and haven’t watched the Duggar since. I mean with the whole Josie fiasco, it was sad but perhaps unforeseeable. I mean, Michelle always appeared to have healthy children up until that point. When 20 was announced and Michelle was the ripe, old age of 43, I actually felt sick. She and Jim Bob were actively trying and in my opinion this could have resulted in her death. I get it, you don’t believe in abortion and find life to be sacred, but it was clear she was giving absolutely no thought to her existing children. In my opinion there is a world of difference between a pro-lifer and the type of birth planning the Duggar’s practice and it’s really, really sick.

My second moment, and again, I never actually watched, but read about it here on this blog, was the funeral of number 20. It’s just exploitation to the highest degree and the complete and total opposite of Christianity and Christian values.

tulip said...

I agree-Amy def. could've/should've been doing some sort of college while 'awaiting her music career'. It would seem she's certainly not prevented from doing so, and her boyfriend has a 4-yr. degree. Instead, she's working as a nanny for several families?, and driving hours & hours to meet up with Reed posting pics of their "dates" on Instagram for all to see like a teenager. Guess she hasn't got her big break yet because she needs to take her time, stating there are a lot of sharks in Nashville...ya think? Wow, looks to me like Amy will end up not far from her cousins-taking care of someone else's children, maybe getting married while telling everyone she hopes to "one day"...

tulip said...

I think it would be the big "brotherly" thing to do for Josh to use his Instagram for something useful, or something it was actually meant for...maybe wishing each of his brothers & sisters a Happy Birthday on their special day?, esp. Josiah, since today's his 16th. Maybe Josh will post if he gets a birthday dinner out of it.

Nancy said...

Speaking of "no annouoncements" from Josh and Anna, Josh made some cryptic tweets after church last Sunday, hinting at the fact that Anna may well have miscarried again.

Of course, he ruined any kind of actual emotion by posting more politically-charged stuff. It's easy to know when he thinks he's "baiting" because he puts these things up without comment, compared to his plea to support Todd Akin, the "forcible rape" guy.

sandi said...

I noticed during the speech at Liberty,that once again,Jim Bob mentioned how Dr Wheat advised them not to get a pet or have a tv for the first year of marriage.I wonder if he also advised them to not have children for the first year? JAT,but neither Jim Bob or Michelle ever mention it,and Michelle was on the pill for the first 4 yrs of their marriage.

Goldie said...

Beth Anne said...
Re: Josh supporting oppression...

Though I think there's been undertones of that in many of his words and actions, I don't agree this is the case with the whole Chick Fil A thing, because the company isn't oppressing anyone; their president was asked a question about his views on marriage, to which he gave an honest answer, and they don't discriminate with respect to hiring employees or serving customers.================================================ I am so darn tired of conservatives saying this. The issue with CFA is that the president donates to anti-gay hate groups,NOT about him discriminating against patrons.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "The issue with CFA is that the president donates to anti-gay hate groups,NOT about him discriminating against patrons."

Still a free speech issue. You may call it a "hate group" but the president of CFA has a right as an individual citizen to contribute to organizations of his choosing. However, the whole mayors-threatening-to-deny-CFA-business-permits that STARTED the whole CFA support day in which Josh took part was borne out of the president's answer to an interview question.

I still think Josh is a blowhard :)

Beth Anne said...

Also, to tag on to my previous post, it was not my intention to make this a political blog. Both "conservatives" and some who support gay marriage, like NYC mayor Bloomberg, called out mayors like Rahm Emanuel who were threatening to revoke CFA business licenses because the BUSINESS itself does not discriminate with its hiring or service standards.

This is supposed to be a blog about the Duggars, and my original post was getting at the point that I doubted Josh Duggar put that much thought into the issue. He got wind of something that would allow him to present himself as some sort of superhero religious guy. I could be wrong, but I doubt he thought about the issue in free speech terms and think he probably frowned upon the protests that occurred a few days later by gay couples who staged kiss-ins at CFA restaurants. I, for one, was all for it - EVERYONE has a right to exercise free speech, and Josh drives me nuts with his comments like "Catholics = wrong beliefs," etc.