Bringing Up Bates (UP Network)

We'll see what the interest is in their new show before deciding on a thread for each episode.

First episode airs tomorrow at 9 PM.  Some may have it On Demand.

Meet the Bates:

Gil and Kelly Bates, and their 19 kids, are buzzing about the latest addition to their family; the first Bates grandchild! As the girls prepare to throw a huge baby shower to celebrate, Alyssa gives the family some surprising news of her own and an accident leaves the family shaken.

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Patrice said...

Which singular "Bates" are they bringing up? The plural of Bates is Bateses. Titling the show "Bringing Up Bates" is the equivalent of saying "Bringing Up Duggar." Weird...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if this show is available to watch in Canada? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Is it bad that I want to watch to see if fame and the duggars have changed them?

Anonymous said...

I just read a blurb about the show on UP website, nothing we haven't seen with the duggars really...

Anonymous said...

this is another duggar family. they have in the preview family family family. but that is unhealty the kids need friendships with other kids and to be around other kids and play and socialize. they are missing out. just like the duggar kids. at least they allow their children to work and attend college not as sheltered as the duggars.

Leigh Ann said...

The description on Comcast says "a family of 19 kids living in rural Tennessee". And this is different from "a family of 19 kids living in rural Arkansas?" If someone is going to do another big-family show I wish they'd find a family with a different type of lifestyle. Maybe "19 kids and 15 of them were adopted from eight different countries". I don't think UP would go for "19 Kids and Hare Krishna" but another station might.

sandi said...

I found the intro to be very cheesy and not original at all.But what to expect,anything different? Just too wholesome and in your face kind of thing...family family family.Kind of gagworthy if you ask me.Is there anything else in their lives at all?
I will watch though,and hope the show itself is better.

sandi said...

Preschoolers might find this intro interesting,I personally thought they could have done something more adult and less cheesy with it,enjoy if you can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgpV_1I5FrE

Anonymous said...

If you think back to the early 14 kids and pregnant again Duggar shows, they, too, started out quite cheesy like the Bates family show is. The graphics are similar, etc. Some program exec at TLC sophisticated the Duggar show along the line, with no narrator, etc. and maybe the same will develop this show.

lizzy10 said...

Liked it. Fundies, but come across as more caring of their kids. Rooting for Erin.

Anonymous said...

I just love Kelly. They seem like a nice family. Hope they stay that way.

MCL said...

According to this article, Erin has had three miscarriages. I wish her and Chad a successful pregnancy in 2015!

http://www.christianpost.com/news/bringing-up-bates-parents-share-reason-for-going-public-address-key-family-struggles-ahead-of-tv-premiere-video-131851/

LilBit0318 said...

Watched it on demand last night. Nothing at all Earth-shattering. But yes, I did feel for Erin and Chad, and the Batses (Yes, the pluralization issue bugs the crap out of me, too!) are somewhat more tolerable than the Duggars.

taurus0385 said...

I really hope Erin doesn't feel defeated and doesnt become the family black sheep because she can't birth a baby.

sandi said...

I'm surprised someone didn't catch the plural mistake.
That said,I wonder which Bates they are going to bring up?

Anonymous said...

Has Erin had 3 miscarriages? My word, that's a serious issue going on there. I sincerely hope that they seek the medical opinion of a REAL OB/GYN and discover what the source of the problem is. Have they said anything about her diagnosis and treatment? I would think that 3 in such a short time is NOT healthy both physically and emotionally for she and her husband. Why are they continuing to conceive? I wonder what Michelle Duggar thinks about this? Does she think that Erin and Chad have some how sinned and are less "holy" then she and her kids? Would love to know.
My heart goes out for Erin... I hope her mother is telling her the right supportive things.

puddin said...

yikes .. i didnt know it was on UP already. Going to watch it now. (I like Kelly and Gil better than Boob and mean michelle) They act so much better towards their children than boob and mm do.

Anonymous said...

Three miscarriages in a row is the boundary where most OBs begin testing. Some don't test with three if they are all for different reasons. Some will test with two if they appear to be from the same cause. Miscarriages are actually very common. Many women had early ones years ago that went unacknowledged because early and at home tests weren't available. Now people can find out about a pregnancy before missing a period. So more miscarriages are acknowledged.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately my At&T Uverse does not carry Up TV. I did see some clips of interviews. Did anyone catch Erin Bates when asked about their similarities and differences to the Duggars. She was very polite, but did say they have different occupations. Yes the Bates can go to college and work. so healthy for them.

Anonymous said...

According to the fundies, God opens the womb and closes the womb. So people like the Duggars and the Bateses don't believe in fertility treatments or other fertility oriented interventions.

Alberta Rose said...

Anonymous said...
Three miscarriages in a row is the boundary where most OBs begin testing. Some don't test with three if they are all for different reasons. Some will test with two if they appear to be from the same cause. Miscarriages are actually very common. Many women had early ones years ago that went unacknowledged because early and at home tests weren't available. Now people can find out about a pregnancy before missing a period. So more miscarriages are acknowledged.

True. There was a time when a woman didn't consider herself pregnant until she'd missed three periods. I don't know of any fundamentalists who consider miscarriages or infertility a sin. If anything it's the exact opposite, it means they need more love, more support, more prayer. OB/GYNs are not miracle workers. Any responsible OB/GYN will tell a patient there is only so much modern medicine can do and they cannot guarantee a live baby.

Hannah said...

Poor Erin.

I wonder if any of her sisters would be willing to carry a child for her.


I feel bad for her, the Duggars are really shoving Jill`s in the media so much. That's not very modest.

Anonymous said...

I really like the way the parents treat and talk to their kids, so real and you can see the genuine love. They do front HUGS too

Anonymous said...

I feel so bad for Erin, it can't be easy trying for a family and everyone around you is big and pregnant. But her faith is strong. I hope it works out for the Bateses, i really like them.

Anonymous said...

I like the Bateses so much more than the Duggars. Kelly genuinely seems to love her kids and actually raises them. Sure, everyone pitches in, but Gil and Kelly are active parents. They let their adult childten go to real college and have jobs.
My heart goes out to Erin. I pray she will go to a real OB/GYN and find out the problem. Hopefully it is something that can be treated easily.

Courtney said...

I like this family a lot. Fun, nice, genuine, loving. Dad and Zach even referenced America's Funniest videos during their convo.
They do real work...tree cutting business, that's serious stuff.
Poor Erin, she is so real..her feelings on all the baby stuff, I love how open they have been during these episodes. I only hope for great things for her and Chad.

Anonymous said...

I have Uverse and don't have UP in my channel line up. Is there another way to watch the show?

taurus0385 said...

Hannah I think that would be awesome if one of Erin's sisters would carry a baby for her.

Anonymous said...

It's far too early to contemplate having a surrogate for Erin. They have to determine why the miscarriages have occurred and if there is a pattern. Then is it something fixable. I currently know a couple who can't have a biological child even with IVF and a surrogate because they have a genetic incompatibility.

LAMcp said...

Wow, they are so much more likeable than the Duggars. The Duggars always seems so stiff, or over the top cutesy like Jackson and Hannie. The middle boys might have more personality as evidenced by some of the videos they have made, but they don't seem to get much show time.

The Bates are also a really good looking family. The girls are just stunning. The boys are more of a mixed bag, but generally better looking than the prematurely balding Duggar boys. And so far I didn't pick up on a creepy vibe from any of them (I'm looking at You Jimbob and John David).

The way they seemed to do their work around the house seemed much more like "lets all pitch in and get it done", rather than assignments to the kids while mom and dad do goodness knows what

Anonymous said...

Kelly Bates used fertility drugs to conceive her youngest.

Anonymous said...

Kelly Bates used fertility drugs to conceive her youngest.

You'll need to back that up and not start rumors. Kelly used progesterone to maintain some of her later pregnancies. It isn't the same thing at all.

Anonymous said...

Again, I actually enjoy the Bates family. Yes, they are fundie, yes fundie is in general "not good" for women, society, etc, but all that aside, this is a loving family. They are so very different then the Duggars. Even in early episodes, the older kids seemed like snobs, let alone now after all this "fame." The Duggars, while raising their family according to the basic same guidelines as the Duggars, also seem to love their children in a different way, individually. They have a bunch of different little interviews with kids on the UP site. The love and admiration that Chad seems to have for Erin brings tears to my eyes, it seems so much different then anything I have seen with "Derekdillard" or "Benseewald" for the most part. Interesting too, Erin had known / friendship / courted / engaged with Chad for 3 years before marriage - maybe that's the difference as well. Even if they didn't physically engage, they mentally and emotionally engaged much longer.

Even the Bates boys, when talking about Erin's not being pregnant and how hard it must be for her at the shower etc, seemed to genuinely FEEL FOR their sister. I have never seen true emotion from an older Duggar boy in regards to anyone else, let alone a sister. Just different elements underlying here in this family, more love, more emotion, more reality etc. Yes the show was setup a bit, like all reality shows, but the "characters" were much more likeable and real. I will stay tuned.

Confused in Germany said...

I'd say, they bring up the first Grandchild and that would be a Bates, not a Bateses. At least, how I read it: it is a show mainly about Bates Jr.², but I may have gotten it wrong. In which case I apologize..

Apart from that: Happy New Year!

catsandra said...

As someone also struggling with infertility, though not with miscarriages (that I know of), I really sympathize with Erin. I really hope that she visits an OB/GYN because it could be life-changing for her.

Anonymous said...

As one poster stated Erin doesn't have a problem conceiving, she has a problem "holding on to it". Maybe her issue is with weak muscles to "hold on" and carry. This is something that surgery can correct; they insert "supportive material" under the uterus, so I have heard. There may be a real fix for her. I hope she doesn't fret and seeks real medical help.

puddin said...

I watched the Bates show last night. I like them soo much more that the crazy duggars. They are just more likeable IMO. They seem more hands on with their children. Kelly seems like a sweetheart...unlike fake and plastic Michelle D.

elaine said...

I really liked it. I thought the Bateses were definitely more likeable and seemed more honest (in comparison to the Duggars).

Hopefully that doesn't change as the cameras stick around a little bit longer.

I don't know all of the names of the kids, but there was one part of the show where there were 2 or 3 of the girls on a couch talking about cooking. One says somethings along the lines of, "If you don't like my cooking, then you can go cook your own, otherwise, sit down, shut your mouth, and eat." I was cracking up!! You would never hear the Duggars say that because it isn't "sweet". I loved that she just said it and didn't think twice about it. That they are allowed to be normal in their interactions. So real.

Elspeth said...

Erin's first pregnancy was an empty sac so there was nothing to "hold onto." In fact it was a missed miscarriage so she held onto it too well.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if their show is available to watch online anywhere? I have ATT and they don't carry that channel.

mom in texas said...

Although I know the Bates are similar to the Duggars in their beliefs, something about them makes them come across as more endearing. This first episode makes them seem more real and less self righteous than the Duggars. Even their interactions with one another seem less forced and robotic. In watching the Bates family over the years I have never got the impression that they were putting on or trying to impress anyone with their "holier than thou Christian values". I know they are not perfect but definitely more tolerable at this point.

My heart goes out to Erin. I can absolutely relate to her trouble conceiving but I can't imagine the pain of having so many miscarriages this close together. It's also doubly hard when you are surrounded by pregnancy. Erin has been taught her whole life that a woman's main goal in life is to reproduce and now she is struggling to do so. There sometimes is conflict in your beliefs. As Christian you don't want to blame God but you feel lost. I hope Erin and Chad are blessed with a child. Seeing how hurt they looked nearly broke my heart. Despite their personal beliefs, it's still hard to see people who want to be parents struggle through infertility.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed the show and I've always liked the Bates family. I know Erin's hurting about the miscarriages and it's sad that she's been brought up to have babies babies babies. That's so much pressure in itself. Add to that the fact that her sister-in-law and sister had no problems conceiving and carrying the baby and I'm sure it's hard. I was impressed to see her so engaged in the shower and so happy for Whitney and Alyssa. They seem to be a family who genuinely love each other and enjoy spending time together. As has been said, the seem much more normal and enjoy each other more than the Duggars.

Carol said...

I'll never forget seeing the Bateses for the first time on the duggars. They were wearing "western wear." The duggar girls looked a little horrified and tried to put on a good face. (Of course the duggar girls were still into wearing rugby shirts which are their own type if horrifying but didn't realize it). The show is the only reason they met. Glad to see their fashion sense has improved. I doubt the show will last though because they're not nuts like the duggars. They have more education and real jobs. Not sure being relatively normal will help the ratings.

Anonymous said...

One says somethings along the lines of, "If you don't like my cooking, then you can go cook your own, otherwise, sit down, shut your mouth, and eat." I was cracking up!! You would never hear the Duggars say that because it isn't "sweet". I loved that she just said it and didn't think twice about it. That they are allowed to be normal in their interactions. So real.

^^^^Yea this. Meant to mention as well. The "children" all seem to interact as normal siblings. I don't think it's just the Duggars being more used to cameras and "acting" I think that the Duggars are a special breed of fundie that basically discourages any normal interaction even between siblings. The Bates girls had me laughing in that moment, I think it was Tori who said that, and it was clear those kids can just SAY what they are THINKING (within reason as any polite humans of course) rather than only use certain words like the Duggars (ie fellowship, fun, sweet, testimony etc). "Sit down, shut your mouth and eat" is a phrase more common for a teen to utter!

Anonymous said...

Years ago before fertility clinics,I had many miscarriages. Turned out it was a hormonal deficiency at the start of the pregnancy. I was given hormones the first three months and had a normal pregnancy. Went back to the doctors for my second child. My last two came without any intervention. I know how hard it is to want a child and be disappointed. I hope things turn around for them. They are such a nice couple.

Anonymous said...

The full first episode of Bringing up Bates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETS8GalLkns

Anonymous said...

The Bates family seems much more intelligent than the Duggar family. The mother seems to interact with the children much more than Michelle.

Rudy Tecat said...

I think the big thing that makes this show more appealing than 19K&C is that all the religious talk was absent from the BUB show. And, while there was some talk about how big a family they are, all the drama seemed to be based on the personalities of the few who were featured. Of course, Gil is "Mr. Personality", much more self effacing and humorous than old JBD. There were some awkward "made for TV" segments, like Carlin and Erin at the store, but Kelly looked genuinely upset when she heard her son had gotten in an accident, and Erin's husband's crying was real. Let's see how long they can go on without taking the family on a bus trip, or Lawson filling up 17 grocery carts at the grocery store are shown.

taurus0385 said...

I cried every time I heard Erin talk about her miscarriages. It's heartbreaking as I am almost 30 and have not had a successful pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

I re-watched the Bateses show today and I didn't hear Erin refer to but one miscarriage. She said that she was married about one year when that was taped. Did I miss something? I thought she lost only one pregnancy? Did she experience two more? If so, that girl needs an appointment with a real ob/gyn and soon.

Anonymous said...

How is it that the Bates daughters don't have southern accents like their parents?

Anonymous said...

There was a clip in the show or the previews where Erin said she'd seen Dr. X and he was saying we think we've found the reason for your miscarriages.

Anonymous said...

I finally saw the show and I really liked it. They act like a real family that agree, disagree. Kelly even mentioned that one of the daughters cooking not out of desire but out a need. The Duggar kids would never admit that. Erin and Chad broke my heart.
SN: why does everyone keep saying she needs to go to a real OBGYN, what leads you to believe otherwise? They seem to have no real problem with technology, modern medicine just have conservative values. I really enjoy them.

Anonymous said...

They used to all have strong accents....I used to go to church with them and their accents sounded so put on (think early episodes of Erin and Zach on 19kK&C.) Guess I was right because they've toned them down a LOT!

sandi said...

I did like the show and I thought UP did a much better job with the family than TLC ever did.They didn't harp on homeschooling,etc.,they just showed them about their daily life.
As far as college,they are not quite mainstream on that.Recall that Erin attended an unaccredited college for an unaccredited degree,and had to have an escort until the day she got married.

Jeannine Denton said...

I really enjoyed this show. My husband and I are going through the same exact thing as Erin and Chad; a couple miscarriages, sister AND sister-in-law pregnant. I feel their pain and I even started to cry a little when Chad was explaining how hard it was to see how upset Erin is over everything that is going on. They looked more real in that less than a minute interview than the Duggars did at all during the funeral for Jubilee. Even when Michelle first found out that she had passed, she didn't seem too upset, and then to let TLC film it. I hope the fame doesn't go to the Bates' heads, because they seem like a really nice family.

LAMcp said...

The first few episodes and specials featuring the Duggars always had a sense of how they were superior to the rest of us because they didn't allow their kids to watch tv, dressed certain ways, made the kids do chores, etc. It was very off putting to me when I first watched them. I watched mainly out of interest for how they managed things like grocery shopping, cooking etc, but their holier than though attitude annoyed me and I didn't watch them again until the past year.

With the Bates, I don't get the same feeling that they are holding up their lifestyle as better than anyone else. They seem to project more of a "It works for us, it might not work for you" attitude.

This of course could be completely calculated because they have years of the Duggars to watch and learn from, but still it did seem like they don't feel the need to convert people to their life and religion like the Duggars do

celestrialangie said...

I love Bring up Bates!!!
I feel that they are real!!
That they love there children and they know each one so well!!

My heart breaks for Erin and Chad.
It is hard when everyone seems to be having a baby and your not !!
I went through that!!
Soon as I gave up; One my 35 birthday; I found out I was having a baby. That was 17 years ago!! I have loved every minute of it. I pray for Erin and Chad and that they will have a wonderful baby of their own !!!

Allison said...

Personally I think the Bates family have the same beliefs as the Duggars, since they attend the same homeschool conferences and promote the same resources. But I think the family has been more open with things that aren't perfect (Zach's failed courtship, Erin's miscarriages), the kids work outside the home (Michaela is a full-time nanny, the girls go to college -- albeit a Christian school, but still, it's out with other people and not online). So those things I like about the family.

I've also enjoyed reading Kelly's blog. I don't agree with everything she posts, but I feel like she is just nicer about everything. I hope they don't become too famous because Kelly just seems like the person you could really have a conversation with, whereas Michelle just gives the same pat answers that are so boring now.

Judy said...

I didn't watch the show but I have several thoughts on the miscarriages.

1. Are they allowed to seek medical help for miscarriages? Kelly used progesterone for her last few pregnancies, which were already established, but what about miscarriages that can only be resolved by something like IVF, where they hand pick the embryos to avoid miscarriage? Could you imagine if they weren't allowed to seek medical help but they also were not able to use birth control, so the woman would just miscarry multiple times a year for twenty years?

2. I hope they are allowed to express pain and sorrow for the miscarriages. In the Duggar family, it seems like you're supposed to be grateful for whatever you get and never show sadness.

Anonymous said...

I love this family! And, although it's irrelevant, those children are all STUNNINGLY good-looking!

Anonymous said...

I feel so sad for Erin. I am in sort of the same position. My husband and I lost our first baby, and almost immediately became pregnant with our son, now 7. We are experiencing secondary infertility, having tried for 4 years to have a second child, and it's so hard when everyone around us is getting pregnant. It really hurts when you want so badly to be pregnant too. I think Erin is doing a great job keeping her head up.

Jozie said...

I just finished watching the show. I really like this family. They seem like an average, southern family that jus happen to have a lot of children. Kelly and Gil seem really, genuinely happy together, like they're really good friends. I have never got that impression from Michelle and Jim Bob. i could see going to their house and just having an old fashioned good time. There's no awkwardness. Even Erin seemed less awkward during that baby shower than the Duggar girls seem at any given moment. I apreciated how open and sincere Erin and Chad were and my heart went out to them when Chad was asking about how hard it is for him to see his wife in pain.....I also really enjoyed the scene in the nursery with Gil and Zack. Gil is such a good dad and I loved the advice he gave his son. It wasn't a pre rehearsed sermon, but rather a real father/son chat with lots of friendly banter. Had that been Jim Bob and Josh it would have just been a competition to see who could tape the fastest followed by a very scripted lecture on making sure they never use birth control. ...amd finally, I didn't feel like the Bateses had an agenda they were pushing. They just want to show what life is like in a big family. .....oh, and just to add, when the one son was in the accident, I actually saw people helping him, not pulling out their IPhones to record it.

Aimee said...

I think what really surprised me was how shocked and almost worried they all seemed about Alyssa expecting. She courted her husband and Gil must have given his blessing for the marriage and since the family, clearly, does not believe in using birth control what did they expect? I like that there was real concern from Gil and Kelly about how young she is. Instead of forcing their children into things, like the Duggars, it is obvious that these children have more freedom. Their clothing is less regulated, the teenagers seem to have their own phones, the sisters mentioned texting their friends about Alyssa's baby...all age appropriate things. Oh Duggars, please look and learn!

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to the full episode uploaded on YouTube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk0ZEAPhGjM

Alberta Rose said...

Different families have different ways of bringing up their children. Two children can go to the same school and be raised completely different ways, regardless of whether it's public, private or home school. The Duggars and Bates focus on the things they have in common, not the differences; hence the reason why they visit back and forth. On the other hand, the differences might be why the kids want to be just friends with each other, with no interest in courting.

roddma said...

Just because the Bateses do some things differently does not change the fact they are still super Patriarchal.Gil is on the board of directors at Gothard's organization and the two sons-in-law are heavily involved as well. Whitney quit her job and Erin quit college after marriage.I don't think being a nanny is really outside the box for them.

Quiverfull type families come in all shapes and sizes. Some allow a religious college, tv, and the females even wear pants while others do not. I wish I could tell Erin you dont need a baby to be a complete person.It's sad they are only taught marriage and babies.

The Bateses may be slightly more likable, but I still see another family trying to make money form their kids.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are so messed up because they are not truly following Christian biblical teaching in the first place. If they were, the majority of Christian mainstream faiths would live like they do; but we don't. They are an extreme offshoot of a belief system invented by that Gothard guy. Gil Bates works for that man's organization, so they believe just like the Duggars do, they only hide it better,IMO, and this is just my opinion based on what I have seen on TV and read about these two families.

Elspeth said...

Erin didn't quit college after marriage, she graduated. Pictures are on their blog.

Patrice said...

I only slightly like the Bateses better, mainly because they are easier on the eyes, and the females don't talk in Minnie Mouse voices. However, I still think the most insane thing is when Zach met Whitney, who was a normal, pants wearing, working and going to tech school girl until she became involved with him. The Bates parents "convicted" her to only wear skirts and fall into their lifestyle. What happens if a future girlfriend refuses that order? Will the Bates boy be forced to choose between his parents and his girl? What if the tables were turned? What if a Bates girl marries into a family who is very outdoorsy and athletic and they tell a Bates girl she is not allowed to wear skirts under any circumstance, due to the nature of whatever activity they are doing? Would she comply and begin wearing pants or would Kelly and Gil yank her away from the relationship and relegate her to SAHD status forever? So wrong...I would never in a million years let my in-laws dictate my clothing choices...never!

Anonymous said...

None of these kids would ever be in a situation where their husbands or their in-laws would require them to "modernize" because any family who believes as such would not ever be approved by either Gil Bates OR Jim Bob Duggar; only like-minded courtships are approved here. Sad, but so true. Where are Whit's parents? Why did they let their daughter fall into that lifestyle?

Anonymous said...

Not sure if this has been said yet or not, but the next episode's preview (which followed the premiere) did say that Erin & Chad visit a doctor who said he was able to "find a reason for the miscarriages". I paid special attention to this because I've had 5 miscarriages, and finally got a doctor to listen to me and now have two healthy little ones under the age of 3 :)

Wampascat said...

Episode Two: The crazy is coming out! Yeah, Duggars 2.0

Anonymous said...

There are pictures on tumblr of Alyssa (Bates) Webster wearing jeans. Also, if Whitney didn't want to stop wearing pants she didn't have to. Maybe their lifestyle was attractive to her for reasons we know nothing about. Believe it or not, some young women choose to wear only skirts without being told. Females who wear pants aren't more of a woman than those who choose not to.

mom in texas said...

It's pretty refreshing to see the Bates admit to not being squeaky clean. I am sure it's part of the spin to set them apart from the Duggars but I kind of like it. Zach and Whitney admitting to kissing before marriage, Michael(a) and Brandon hugging affectionately, Alyssa stating that she does things differently in her house (ears pierced, sleeveless tops, etc.) continues to make the Bates seem more human.
Michael,in my opinion, is gorgeous. It's funny to see her so full of light and so talkative when she discussed her relationship with Brandon. I remember how mousy and quite she used to be with the braided hair and hand sewn prairie dresses. I hope it works out for Brandon and Michael. It's great to see her out of her shell.

tulip said...

I imagine Bringing Up Bates could refer to bringing up any one Bates, esp. since it sounds more catchy than Bringing Up Bateses Lol. I noticed in the end credits Jen Stocks is the supervising producer, who I assume is the same that was for Jon & Kate Plus 8 first years & seasons.

I liked watching the show even though I am fully aware Bateses & Duggars are cut from the same cloth. I just enjoy watching Kelly being a REAL mom to ALL her kids & Gil looking like he's a much more normal Dad with real emotions. I also like watching the kids. They too seem much more real then any Duggar kids. Not to mention, after seeing how the older boys have much better looks, it makes me realize how greasy and old looking the older Duggar boys appear (yuck) & esp. w/ all of them suddenly feeling the need to ditch their razors (gross) The younger Bates boys are also a lot easier to watch as well then the annoying & cockiness of their Duggar counterparts.

I liked when Kelly said laundry was "a nightmare" and how one of the girls stepped up to help with the cooking not because she liked it but because she saw a need and truly wanted to help. I'm sure this is where Michelle would be insisting that everything is a joy and that the kids are able to find "the joy" in everything even in something as small as sweeping up crumbs. Refreshing to see Gil doing actual work unlike JB who walks around in his polo and iphone clipped to his belt pointing and assigning duties. Erin & Chad are an all around nice couple and I will be interested to see what happens with their fertility. Kind of hard for me to get used to Alyssa because her mouth and face when she talks reminds me of one of those marionette dolls, but overall she is a pretty girl and appears to have a spunk in her own personality. Her husband John seems like he's very independent. Same with Chad. Unfortunately I can't give the same opinion about Derick who still looks like he's Jill & JB's puppet, and well Ben, haha, I won't even go there.

I do still think the Bateses are selling out to be on TV, but so far I'm giving them a chance only because I haven't seen the same pridefulness & narcissism that is more than evident w/ the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

anyone watch the bates last night. kelly said that zach and whtieny kissed before they married and were honest about it. they were not mad imange if that was one of the duggars they would have been killed or something. this family is so much better.

Anonymous said...

Someone asked if Alyssa decided to wear pants, how would they feel? Kelly responded we would love her as we always have. Wearing skirts is a conviction, if Whitney wanted to continue wearing pants I don't think it would be a problem because that's how he meet her. It's obvious the Bates kids have differing opinions and can voice them. And that's why I like them. Even though they are very conservative they don't pretend that all things work the same for all their kids.

Rudy Tecat said...

Was it me or did Alyssa look overly subdued, frightened, quiet in the first episode of BUB? She didn't seem to be too excited about her upcoming baby.

Kathy said...

I like the Bates. They seem more normal and loving than the Duggars. I will continue to watch this new show and see how it goes.

Anonymous said...

If Whit "can wear pants", they why haven't we seen her in any? Who is she and who are her parents and what are their beliefs? Is she mainstream?

Anonymous said...

I think she is just working on her public appearance. She was what I used to consider the '"cheerleader" in her family complete with the cute southern drawl. Now she is sounding more mature and little is left of her southern belle voice. It's actually incredibly irritating these days! Hope she changes it again and SOON!!

mindy said...

I think she may have still been pretty sick from the pregnancy, as she led onto in the 2nd show. Sounds to me like she's having a hard time realizing why her mom went through pregnancy 19 times!

Ashley said...

"Was it me or did Alyssa look overly subdued, frightened, quiet in the first episode of BUB? She didn't seem to be too excited about her upcoming baby."

They are fairly new to TV-- it was probably kind of weird to have her pregnancy announcement to my family recorded for TV. I know I would have found that awkward.

Anonymous said...

Zach and Whitney admitted they kissed before marriage..so what? Are they going to hell for it? Is that what the Bates Family believes, or is it really OK to do so? They seem to be happily married, and by a preacher, so, what's the big deal? I would think that Kelly and Gil would have felt pretty silly making anything about that matter at all. I would like to hear from them what they think that would result for their children in the afterlife? If it's no sin, why have such "rules",, and why do the Duggar family behave as if it goes against the 10 Commandments are one is doomed to hell for it? Don't they all feel pretty sill about that?

Courtney said...

Watched the second episode. Loving them. As I said before, so real. I love the pierced ears, kissing before marriage, big hugs, etc. And Whitney and Erin went to a male doctor. I think Alyssa too, I thought heard her say "him" when referring to her upcoming appointment.

Goodman Gorski said...

Zach and Whitney kissed before they got married, Michaella and her "boyfriend" do full frontal hugs, Gil and Kelly admit they didn't follow the rules before they got married...but still they cling to that set of rules about holding hands, hugging, kissing, etc before marriage (fed to them by that alleged pedophile in Chicago). If all those relationships weren't doomed by a little innocent intimacy, then why bother?

mom in texas said...

Anonymous said:
Zach and Whitney admitted they kissed before marriage..so what? Are they going to hell for it? Is that what the Bates Family believes, or is it really OK to do so? They seem to be happily married, and by a preacher, so, what's the big deal?
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In the episode Kelly and Gill state that while they were disappointed, they were proud that Zach and Whitney were honest and told the truth. There was no condemnation, according to the parents. Was it against their personal beliefs? Yes but a big deal was not made of it. The point is the Bates family seems to have allow a slight bit more freedom when it comes to the children making their own choices in regards to courtships/relationships. I don't think the Bates are perfect, nor do I see them as being far off from Gothard belief system but they are being portrayed in a more realistic light. There is the understanding that you can raise children a certain way but they will still make their own decisions, good, bad or indifferent. I personally enjoy how open the family comes across in the series. There is not the feeling of whitewashing that the Duggars and TLC portray.

Anonymous said...

I still suspect that Jessa and Ben kissed before their wedding. This is why there was no kiss at the alter. So this rule is stupid and should never be in place for engagement or courtship periods. The Bates are just like the Duggars in every way. They communicate more easily and Kelly is more intelligent than Michelle and Jim Boob. All the rest is the same....old.....stuff.....

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where we can watch episode 2 online?

Anonymous said...

You would think frontal hugging would be worse than holding hands, at least with their beliefs.

Anonymous said...

Can someone please tell me what exactly Papa Bill said at the 58 second mark of this Bringing up bates clip ?

http://www.uptv.com/videos/bringing-up-bates-web-exclusive-0#ooid=40ZzVqcjraM0Y56z4bk8iSYQ8rf3xDGH

Thanks

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed the second episode. "Spin" for TV a bit or not, I like the Bates. Yes, same basic belief system as the Duggars, but more of a genuine family love and a family full of INDIVIDUALS not drones. The smiles from the Bates kids seem REAL and not forced like the Duggars. I will admit, I kind of saw what Kelly was saying about the kissing. Kissing, when alone (she said) can lead to other things quickly. I kinda agree, although obviously you can teach RESTRAINT as well (I certainly kissed boys as a teen and didn't have sex until I was an adult, but I get where the feelings come from). It's not that they will "go to hell" if they kiss before marriage, and they did seem to accept that Whit and Zach did and appreciated their honesty despite I'm sure a twinge of disappointment, but it's the 'hard line' that no kissing puts all the other stuff 'off limits'. Would I set such boundaries for my kids? No, not at all. But do I sort of get it? Yes, I suppose I do.

Chad seems like an amazingly loving and real husband to Erin, such a contrast from Derekdillard and Benseewald. Michael hugging her boyfriend / potential fiance like she loves him, which she does. Heck, when Jill "front hugged" Derek after not seeing him for months it was a BFD with Michelle talking about how that "won't happen again" or when an almost engaged Bessa held hands to pray, the nervous giggles and the angry eyes etc. At LEAST the Bates are more realistic about that stuff - AND they ADMIT that they set the rules (and those rules are for their homes only and they follow acknowledge the rules may change a bit once kids are good). Good, I hate the Duggars "the kids set their own relationship rules" drivel. All things I have enjoyed hearing.

I will add one more though. LOL at Alyssa baking cookies with her niece and nephews, and getting out the not even a mix, but premade cookie dough already in pieces from the fridge. LOL. Don't get me wrong, I am a (newly divorced) single working career mom to 2 kids, I buy that stuff sometimes in a pinch to have around, but Alyssa is basically doing "nothing" all day right now (and does seem a bit bored) and that's her go to? Haha. Just made me giggle.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Can someone please tell me what exactly Papa Bill said at the 58 second mark of this Bringing up bates clip ?

1/10/2015 4:53 PM

He said, "Breastfeeding."

Anonymous said...

I only got to see the first episode but enjoyed it very much. It was so sweet to see the Bates guys comment about their concern for Erin having to go through the pain of planning & attending Whitney's baby shower. I recently miscarried my first baby and know I'd come up with any excuse not to attend or be involved in an event like this.

In the intro, Gil & Kelly say a little bit about each child. They are each unique individuals. I don't think JB could name all his kids. There have been a couple 19K&C episodes where the family goes out to eat and the kids need to be grouped by age for different price ranges. JB needed the sister moms to sort everyone out. Michelle just looks up at him with that look of awe & adoration every time he speaks and completely ignores her 19 blessings.

Unknown said...

Does Alyssa wear pants now? Saw a picture of her on a hayride with the Webster family and she was wearing jeans and boots

LAMcp said...

Re: Alyssa's store bought cookie dough: She probably can and would make homemade cookies when she has more time, but in the episode she had a friend drop by and was looking for a quick snack. I keep some of those in my fridge for that exact reason. If my kids bring a friend home spur of the moment, they can turn on the oven and have a few quick, warm and fresh cookies. And when I have more time, I make great cookies from scratch. My kids are teens now, so they are also able to make their own cookies, but again, sometimes they have friends over and they are just stopping by for a short time, while they are all waiting to out our head off to another friend's house. It is just nice to be able to give them a few cookies in about 10 minutes or less.

Also my kids love those Pillsbury seasonal and holiday themed sugar cookies. Even though they are older teens, they still get excited when I bring those home from the store. I think they taste terrible and I imagine they are very unhealthy, but it is a treat to them that I am willing to do on special occasions.

Beth Anne said...

Re:
In the intro, Gil & Kelly say a little bit about each child.

I remember one of the many, many Duggar "looking back on our lives" special episodes where JimBob and Michelle were supposedly reflecting upon each of their children coming into their lives. Yet, honest-to-Pete, Michelle talked about her pregnancy and delivery with each one, rather than saying, "well, John David was a quiet baby and child" or "Joy Anna has the pleasant personality that lives up to her name," or ANYTHING that really spoke to each child's unique attributes. I thought that spoke volumes of where her energy and attention is focused. Yes, yes, I know they sometimes throw things out, like "Jessa was a willful child," but it all sounds like garbage and pre-canned stuff they've pulled from their ATI language book.

Allison said...

Does Alyssa wear pants now? Saw a picture of her on a hayride with the Webster family and she was wearing jeans and boots

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Those jeans and boots belong to John, who was sitting next to her. Alyssa was wearing little white shoes. You can't see her legs in the picture. If you count the feet and the heads, you'll see how they line up.

Anonymous said...

It's been my experience when ANY of the Duggars speak, they have no original thought of their own. Most of the things they say are pre-packaged and canned platitudes, quotes from the Gothard/fundamentalist publications etc. Except when Jim Bob tries to be "sexy" and "edgy", then it's simply disgusting.

Anonymous said...

I think Michelle loved being pregnant and new babies, once they were weaned or she got pregnant again, they were moved into the big girl room. It's really sad, reminds me of people that love kittens or puppies, once they are big, they don't like them anymore. Im glad that Gil and Kelly dont talk about having more babies and genuinely look forward to grandchildren.

roddma said...

"Females who wear pants aren't more of a woman than those who choose not to."
Women who wear skirts all the time aren't more of a woman,either, Being woman has nil to do with clothes.

As far as the Bateses being more living, it seems to be only among themselves. Do the kids have friends outside their siblings? I don't see how regretting kissing before marriage is freedom. If they were really 'free', they would not need to regret anything.
It could be seen as more freedom letting their kids marry and have outside jobs, but we have to keep in mind they aren't as well off financially as the Duggars. A married child is one less mouth to feed.Some of the kids do not have health insurance. IMO, the Duggars kids are at a greater advantage since they get to travel and be exposed to other cultures.

Carol said...

Can someone summariZe what Erin's issue is? I got to see the pilot but it was free teaser week for Up and I'm blocked from more eps. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

No, there is a picture of her sitting without her husband, and there are the jeans and boots. You can see for sure that they are hers. Then there is a picture of her with him, and again, jeans and boots. They are obviously hers.

Allison said...

No, there is a picture of her sitting without her husband, and there are the jeans and boots. You can see for sure that they are hers. Then there is a picture of her with him, and again, jeans and boots. They are obviously hers.

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I didn't see anything on her Instagram but maybe I missed the photo. Do you have a link or the date it was taken?

Leigh Ann said...

You know, I read something about the history of trousers. They were invented for men and women to wear while riding horses. Roman men rejected them because they though they were too feminine. In the fourth century Western women started wearing them but men though they weren't manly enough. Clothing all boils down to culture. The Bible says women shouldn't wear men's clothing but they all wore tunics, there were men's tunics and women's tunics. When a woman did the laundry and spread the clothes out on the bushes to dry, you could tell which tunics were men and which were women's. I'm pretty sure that verse is talking about cross-dressing. And we have unisex clothes, like t-shirts. Controlling what the women wear is just another method of controlling them.

Dory said...

Carol, the doctor didn't go into much detail, he just said Erin had a couple of clotting factor issues, one related to folic acid and one related to something called P.A.I. He put her on aspirin and an increased amount of folic acid.

Having gone through a host of fertility treatments myself, I can only say that this is pretty basic stuff, and that if she continues to miscarry I really hope he refers her to a reproductive endocrinologist for a bigger workup and help.

At any rate, I wish them the best! I just love this family in general.

Anonymous said...

I saw it on the tumblr page jillandderickdillard. I'm not sure where that picture originated. I think it was taken during her father-in-law's campaign because it looks like they are in some kind of truck or trailer with political signs on it. In one of the pictures you can easily tell that she is the one wearing the jeans and boots.

zebracrossing said...

tumblr page Alyssa in jeans...she looks cute and modest.

http://www.tumblr.com/search/jillandderickdillard

Anonymous said...

I agree, Leigh Ann. When the Bible says for women not to dress like it men, it means not to be what we refer to as a "cross dresser." It does not mean a woman cannot wear pants. There were no pants when those scriptures were written.

Leigh Ann said...

Actually, there were pants! Archaeologists found a pair in China they carbon-dated to 3,000 years ago. Here is something interesting about Romans and pants. http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/roman-clothing/roman-trousers-and-breeches.htm

But to keeps this on-topic, it's a cultural thing. The culture that the New Testament was written in and for did not wear pants, men or women. It's all cultural. In Scotland men wear kilts and in Asia men and women wear sarongs. Indian women are very feminine in pants. You just can't beat a beautiful sari draped over a pair of pants. And in other cultures men and women wear the same clothes. You could make a case for a woman not buying a men's suit but a woman's pant suit is designed specifically for a woman.

Allison said...

I love the personalities of all the Bates kids. They just seem so real, much more spunky and alive. The Duggar kids always sound so rehearsed. Maybe it's the experience they have on camera? I don't know. The kids just seemed like actually siblings, joking around and squabbling. The Duggar kids just seem way too poised and agreeable with each other. Drives me crazy.

Leigh Ann said...

Wow! Big difference between the Bates packing for a trip and the Duggars packing. The kids were all helping but mom had everything under control. She could probably run a Fortune 500 company. Of course Jana Duggar probably could, too!

Rudy Tecat said...

Ok, I'm out. I officially can't stand the Bates Family on their new show. Boring people. Not offensive, but nothing really happens there. Tori and Carlin don't help any by being so giddy and childish, either.

zebracrossing said...

http://instagram.com/p/x5N472Mbvp/?modal=true

Picture of Bates family from 1994. As far as I can tell...they ALL have on shorts! Wonder when the modest dressing began?

Anonymous said...

I liked the camping trip episode up to the point where they wend on the canoe trip down the river. Kelly had their next youngest son, is it Judson??, in the canoe with Gil and her. The poor kid looked terrified by the end of the trip down stream...and the tipped over too with poor Judson. Real nice way to make a child have a fear of water.
Why didn't the child stay back with his sister who was minding the younger children on the church trip?

Anonymous said...

Anyone know where I can watch the episodes? ATT uverse doesn't carry UP.

Anonymous said...

I was really surprised that except for Judson, no one was wearing a life jacket. Kelly had mentioned the fast moving, cold water and being nervous about it, but they had nothing to help keep them safe. I also was wondering how they got back to camp because canoeing against the current of a swift river is not an easy feat, especially for people that have not gone canoeing before.

Mandee said...

I enjoy the Bates very much. The Duggars not so much. The Bates are so down to earth. The Duggars are so fake in comparison. It's truly sad to see how a family raised with the same beliefs is so different and in comparison the Duggars seem plastic with no real emotions just what is programmed into them. I hate Michelle's fake voice and how everything has to be about her. Michelle could learn a lot from the Bates Family. Especially how to raise your own family the way that mom has. The kids just seem so much happier!

Courtney said...

Here is a photo of Alyssa in the jeans/boots without her husband

https://www.facebook.com/RepWebster/photos/pb.188572961157305.-2207520000.1421694530./963547310326529/?type=1&theater

Katies Mom said...

I just saw the Bates episode where they went camping. When they went canoeing,I could not believe all those young kids & young adults were out on the water without any life vests. What's wrong with them? The kids were all fooling around as any kids would, but no life vests? Also when they were leaving their home in the cars, the young girl who was driving((don't know her name) was laughing & carrying on, as she was driving. A couple of them in the car had seat belts on, but some did not. The one driving had just received her license & believe me I don't know how. The driving was all a big joke to them. I hate to call them hillbillies, but that's exactly how the were acting. They are extremely reckless the way they were driving those vehicles! I really don't know how they got their drivers licenses. It's one thing if the parents want to let them drive on their property, but to go out on a public roadway. It made me sick to think of want could have happened, especially after one of the boys just had an accident on the previous episode & it was admittedly his fault for speeding. I thought Gill & Kelly were acting like kids themselves & not responsible parents & soon to be grndparents. Are they going to let their kids drive around with the grandchildren in the cars the same way with everyone laughing & carrying on? I know they were going on a fun family weekend, but still please stop & think about the safety of your family. Put some rules in place so they'll all come home safely

Missy said...

I absolutely agree, yes Gill & Kelly were really irresponsible letting the kids go canoeing without life jackets. They just seem to be acting like kids themselves. I also can't understand how they allowed their son that had the accident due to speeding, to just walk away from any responsibility for that accident. In my home there would have been some serious repercussions for flipping a car. He just went on to the baby shower with the rest of the family & was shown driving in the next episode. In fact he was one of the boys teaching his sister to drive. There's one for the books....let the kid that flipped a car help teach his sisters to drive, as the sisters just laugh & hoot & holler. The police at the scene of the accident didn't appear to meet out any punishment either, as Gill was telling them that they had a baby shower to get to. WTF? No wonder people might refer to them as hillbillies. You flip a car because you were speeding & then go on to attend a baby shower & later on teach your sisters how to drive. All the Bates kids that are old enough to drive were shown driving recklessly in this past weeks' episode. All Kelly could say was that she wouldn't teach this one or that one to drive, as she was too nervous, so she let their brothers take them for the driving lessons & it was all fun & games, nobody took it seriously. When they were leaving their house to attend the baby shower, one of the girls actually backed into another vehicle & that just brought gales of laughter from everyone in the car including Kelly. I understand that as parents when our kids are involved in an accident, at first we are beside ourselves with worry, but that's one of those situations that once you see that they are ok & that the accident was clearly their fault i.e. flipping a car due to excessive speed, you start thinking immediately about their punishment. Not the Bates, they must have received a safety manual from the Duggars!

Anonymous said...

Have the Bates family ever heard of a professional DRIVING SCHOOL INSTRUCTOR? I started my boys off with homemade lessons for some basics in our small town where there wasn't any traffic, then signed them up for professional lessons...one of the best things I ever did for them.
I think the Bates are just as "homemade" as the Duggars.
I also believe that any marriages between any of their children would change the dynamics of their friendship in a negative way. The Bates parents, DO, seem to let go and allow their married kids to make their own decisions and rules about their own household without any repercussions, unlike the Duggars who still want control with 'emotional blackmail'. IMO, a Duggar/Bates marriage wouldn't work well.

sandi said...

For those who didn't see it,Alyssa is expecting a girl,due April 10th,and her name is Allie Jane. (I hope I spelled that right).

Patrice said...

I have never understood the lack of education in safety matters in these people. Do they really think because they are "religious" that they have more protection that the average joe? Or do they figure if anything happens to a kid, they still have 18 to spare? It is a parent's job to protect their kids, not just send them out all helter skelter and hope they come back ok. Whenever I think of all those Duggar moments of the parents walking hand in hand and the 19 ducklings behind them, trying to keep up-especially when they were in NYC- it is crngeworthy. Who's to say one of those smaller kids wouldn't run in the street, fall into the gutter or be snatched by a stranger? Did the parents really not think of that? And the Bateses thinking driver education should be taught by an equally inept sibling...SMH. Maybe if they went to school, they would learn all about the graduated driving laws and how to be safe when you are in control of a 2000 pound potential weapon! How do they get their licenses? Or is this another thing that they sneak by without because of their "fame"?

Anonymous said...

"The police at the scene of the accident didn't appear to meet out any punishment either, as Gill was telling them that they had a baby shower to get to. WTF? No wonder people might refer to them as hillbillies. You flip a car because you were speeding & then go on to attend a baby shower & later on teach your sisters how to drive"


This is just small town USA. Nothing to get excited about. Things like that happen in my neck of the woods too, and I live nowhere near the Bates or the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

"Do they really think because they are "religious" that they have more protection that the average joe?"

No, not because they are religious, but because they have a relationship with and honor God. Its amazing what you are protected from by simply doing that!

Anonymous said...

So, the people who have a relationship with and honor God have easy lives? Jesus said that following Him WASN'T easy. There's a contradiction for you. Life happens to everyone, from saint to sinner. I pray for God's protection, but we don't always get it as it isn't always the best thing for us, some things, we have to walk through to come out stronger on the other end, so He allows it.

Anonymous said...

So happy for Erin and Chad with their pregnancy news

Erin M. said...

So thrilled to hear that Erin & Chad Paine are expecting again. If they have already heard the heartbeat, she's about 10-12 weeks along. Praying that the rest of the pregnancy will be uneventful.

lizzy10 said...

Good luck to Erin and Chad. Nice to hear good news.

Anonymous said...

Re: The comment about it just being small town USA & nothing to get excited about. I guess that may be true in some areas, but I think if the police are on scene they could have at least given that young man a warning or told Gill to have a talk with him after they were finished with the baby shower. It didn't need to be anything he was cited for, but just a few words of wisdom from the police that see very different outcomes when kids drive in such a reckless manner. Perhaps they did do that, but it wasn't shown & it would have been nice to see Gill have a heart to heart talk to the boy about his careless driving.

Anonymous said...

Praying all goes well for Erin and Chad.

zebracrossing said...

This is what I like about the Bates: their children's names don't all start with the same letter. I mean if you have two or three children...it is cute...19 though- that is ridiculous. 19 J's. Annoying. I hope Anna and Josh start with another letter for their number 4. Now wouldn't that be exciting.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice the comments Michaela made? Methinks she may be the Jilly Muffin equivalent.
She stated how much she LOVED all those rules growing up and loves following them. She loves children and can't wait to have as many as she can, although she does hug her boyfriend, unlike poor Jilly who wasn't allowed to.Honestly, I didn't like hearing those things from that girl...she sure has been served gallons of kool aid. Like I posted earlier, the Bates, IMO,when compared to the Duggars are Coke and Pepsi. The Bates family hides it better.
Any subtle differences between families I chalk up to the fact that Kelly and Gil attended and graduated from college, therefore marrying a bit older than dear old JB and Michelle, who stopped maturing at 19 and 17 yrs old respectively. The Bates parents have a few years on them. (But they did admit that they are getting old and have softened up in "their old age" with the kids). I don't think we'll EVER hear the Duggar parents admit to such a thing as aging.

Anonymous said...

I do like the way they treat each chikd, both parents seem to give attention to all the kids, unlike the duggars who toss the blessing into the big girls room when they are weaned.

Tammy C said...

We don't know what happened at the accident scene.We probably saw the scene long after it happened as far as TV editing goes.

What did you think of the little one running around the flower/gift shop.My son and I laughed so loud.

I like that the kids pack for themselves.

Anonymous said...

I dont think the Bateses are any looser with their rules. Though I like they admitted Zach and Whitney kissed but then expressed wanting to make certain none of the others were 'tempted'. The married couples all started having babies immediately. None have expressed any different plans. I hope things go well for Erin, but her only lot in life is to be wife and mother. I agree with they are like Coke and Pepsi comment.

Missy said...

I do agree with Tammy C. that we probably don't' see everything with the editing that takes place on these shows. I was just trying to make the point that it would have been a good choice to show that the Bates are indeed very interested in safety especially when it comes to their kids driving. Aside from the accident it really bothered me how the girls were just laughing, hooting & hollering during their driving lesson, as well as when the girl (don't know her name ) backed into another vehicle. That girl had just received her license. We may not know how long she's been driving, but she herself was saying she just received her license & Kelly was asking who was brave enough to drive with her. I still think Kelly, who was in the car when the girl backed into the other vehicle should have said something instead of just laughing it off as she did.

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone think that it was funny to see a child of any age running around a flower/gift shop where items could have been damaged or he could have been hurt? I would have told my son it's nothing to laugh at when you act that way in a store. Your never too young to learn to respect other peoples property. Not funny at all in my opinion.

Aimee said...

People.com has an interview with Erin in regards to their pregnancy. I was SO thankful that the end of the article is Erin stating that they realize they are high risk and that they just want a healthy pregnancy and healthy baby and that they are going to take it one at a time. They want to do what is medically best. FINALLY! Someone with a lick of sense! Michelle Duggar would never say such a thing even after Josie and Jubilee.

Londonbridges said...

I, too, read the article about Erin's pregnancy. I was glad when she indicated that they realize it is a high-risk pregnancy, and they want to do everything possible to ensure a healthy baby. Someone, finally, in these families, is making sense! JMHO.

Anonymous said...

Erin and Chad will be welcoming their first child on June 8, 2015!

Anonymous said...

Just watched last weeks, I love that they are so much more on hands with their kids, unlike the duggars. They actually take responsibility for their kids and talk to them, not pass them off to another child.

Anonymous said...

Just watched the new episode, 2 things i noticed, Lawson went to Nashville alone, no chaperone and i saw a flat screen Tv in their living room.

Rudy Tecat said...

I think I would have been happier to hear that Erin had a real job and a real career, as opposed to being pregnant.

Anonymous said...

Why would you want to hear that Erin has a job and a career?? She is in her mid-20's, happily married and this is the time that most women begin their families...she can work if she wishes after her children are older.
At least she went to college and has a REAL college degree.

Anonymous said...

I've read somewhere that Erin teaches piano and would assume that is her job

Anonymous said...

I don't think Lawson had a chaperone because he is a male. Females require chaperones whenever they step off the family compound as they can't be trusted to "keep pure", plain and simple.
After all, a male must venture out alone as they must work and support their broods.

Anonymous said...

I can understand Gil and Kelly having "rules" for their house and those kids abide by them. Having said that, why is it that once their kids turn 18, and are adults in their own right, they STILL have to abide by those rules? ie, Zach having to apologize about kissing his future wife before marriage? It seems a bit silly to me. I also think that UP, etal, have studied how the Duggars are perceived by their viewing audience and the Bates family works hard on camera not to be perceived like that even though they have the same rules and Gil works for the Gothard outfit. Not one syllable about his "other job". Notice?

Rudy Tecat said...

I was not impressed with Lawson's singing voice. They must have employed a bunch of studio tricks to get his voice to sound right on the recordings. He didn't even know how to breathe right!

Anonymous said...

Kelly Bates used progesterone to sustain her last full term pregnancy

Anonymous said...

I would like to know who paid for those progesterone treatments for Kelly Jo when they have no health insurance? My position is she, too, like Michelle Duggar already had 18 kids...why work hard for even more? That isn't leaving it up to God, nor is it responsible health management for Kelly IMO. Once again, posters, I state that this is my opinion only. Having said that, I am happy that Bates #19 is a healthy and happy child. I hope they have more sense in their heads now to not tempt God and fate by procreating irresponsibly at their ages. "Avoiding conception" isn't such a bad idea and sleep in separate beds if you have to.

Anonymous said...

I really thought I was going to like this show, after the first 5 minutes though, I think i have changed my mind.

sandi said...

It is nice to see the family showing gratitude for those who serve our country.Lawson can sing without the added electronis,and I thought he sounded just fine.
Now if only they would allow their offspring to actually enter the service to serve our country!

Anonymous said...

Lawson is a bit dull for TV and even on stage he better be able to rely on cutting grass

Stephanie said...

I think the boys have more freedom and the girls have a little more freedom than Diggers. The older girls are BEAUTIFUL. Look like Kelly when she was young. Now I know why they aren't hooking up with Duggars boys. They can get better and they meet more people they aren't hidden. Alyssa is marries to a LONG term US Congressmen son. Awesome. He's probably educated and comes from money and fell in love.

Too bad Duggars girls couldn't get to know the Santorum staff but Jumbo was probably a jerk to every guy who tried to even speak to them.

I like the opening. They baby girl is sweet. Tori said the word "frog" in two syllables which was cute she said "f-rog". Made me laugh. They have no filter whereas Duggars are constantly on guard with their words.

Stephanie said...

I don't like that they sit around the house waiting for their man to come home and impregnate them. They could do volunteer work or something.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed the show tonight. Just another way episode that shows the differences in them and the Duggars. They would never allow their family to have a epidural. Kelly was so supportive without needing all the attention on her.

Anonymous said...

But didn't Jessa state that they don't sit around the house eating bon-bons waiting for Prince Charming to find them in their castle or as wives just sit around the house waiting for impregnation that night? These girls said just how busy they are and what a great life they have cooking, cleaning up after and raising their siblings for their mother... Sad, that they will never know what joys life does have to offer if you are allowed to leave the family property.

Anonymous said...

So a random question.....Whitney parents that came to the hospital for the birth were different than the parents who were at the wedding. I am so confused. Where were her wedding parents?

Anonymous said...

From what I gathered in the Bates last episode of then Zach and Whit's baby was born, both of them are scared to death at where they are in life. I believe it all happened too quickly for them and they went like the Duggar kids, from isolated chastity to a wedding night bed all in a few months time. Whitney seems like a nice girl, but is still so young and immature for being married and a mother already. (I don't mean "immature" in a bad way, she just seems like she is still too inexperienced in life and still a girl). I like her, I think she is a nice girl, but both of them are over their heads too quickly. I'm not happy that their parents don't notice this very important element in their own kids lives and emotional development. Anyone else notice this?

Anonymous said...

Let's not make assumptions....how do we know Kelly has no medical insurance?

Erin teaches piano and Michaela is a full time nanny WITHOUT having an accountability partner. The boys have jobs working in the family business and Lawson has his lawncare job. It seems that they are more productive than the Duggars.

They don't seem as fearful and controlling either. The modesty issue keeps being pushed down out throats and the Bates never mention it. Also the Bates let their children have emotions an d personalities as opposed to th Duggers who all seem the same to me.

Anonymous said...

How do you know they wouldn't allow their girls to have epidurals?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I have to say that there is something perverted about that purity ring ritual.
First of all, that girl acted like she was being asked to the prom by the cutest guy in school; or she won a lottery.
Secondly, why does it look like an engagement ring?
Your parents should NOT present that belief system in such a way as they do. It is merely part of an on-going morals guideline that was taught to them from infancy. Why make such a big deal out of it?
The Bates are no different from the Duggars except for Kelly being a more hands on housewife and mother...that's IT IMO.
A father should not put himself into his daughter's vagina. I think it immodest and inappropriate. Better to have a private talk with your mother.
Why don't the sons receive the same ring? It can be masculine in style...aren't the ones who tempt the girls to stray and kiss?
Did Whitney come from a background in which gave purity rings? We know nothing about her family and upbringing. She and Zach seem quite overwhelmed with where they are their relationship and in their lives...married and parents already? They didn't keep to the "first kiss nonsense" and yet they had no "consequences" from it. Silly people, silly unnecessarily severe rules and beliefs.
They are only a bit more entertaining as they hide their extremism better than the Duggars do and TLC/UP have studied up on how the Duggars are perceived in order to better coach the Bates family as to how to appear on TV to the viewers.
Remember, Gil Bates in a big wig in the Gothard system...they fail to mention that TOTALLY...

Anonymous said...

Re the Bates family and medical insurance: We know they don't have any insurance for many years now as the parents stated on TV that since he left his good job at Nabisco to pursue this lifestyle, they simply go to the emergency room for everything and are treated for FREE...Can you imagine that? This was before Obamacare and his appointment high up in the Gothard camp. If they have insurance now, it is recent because of one of these two things, but they have gone without it for many years...we paid for it all through our own health insurance premiums rising and taxes to support public hospitals and the ED being abused by people like this..sorry to say.

MCL said...

For awhile there on the latest episode, I thought I was watching a Digiorno pizza infomercial. That was strange...

zebracrossing said...

I have watched the Duggars' show and the Bates' shows....the advice and guidelines are rather strict for dating and keeping pure...yet on another TLC show, the dad was telling his daughters' boyfriends they shouldn't go past second base (which he described as heavy petting). Oh my...what a difference. Maybe the Dug/Bates way IS better. I can't imagine giving permission to teenage boys to grope and molest my daughters. Hmmm. Two extremes, it seems.

Anonymous said...

In the first place, that purity ring crap is just sicko, IMO. To these people, and the Duggars as well, remaining "PURE" doesn't simply mean remaining a virgin until your wedding night; it means actually being untouched by anyone until engagement hand holding is allowed and "THAT'S ALL". They have very different weird definitions in their make believe Godly world. Simply unrealistic to uphold.
Zack and Whit kissed before marriage and "confessed it" to his parents''are they going to hell for it? Certainly NOT. Talk about Catholic guilt? these people can lay it on thick... They all need a de-programming if you ask me. That girl's silly over-the-top reaction in having a new dress and flowers sent to her BY HER PARENTS is strange and weird...sick-ohs....

Jak&Jil said...

I agree with everyone about the creepiness of the "purity" ring, especially when Kelly talked about "her" goals for Carlin. If Carlin never leaves the house alone and will be chaperoned until her wedding day, there's really little chance of her "losing" her purity.

I would have liked it if Carlin told her parents what her future "goals" are - furthering her education for a degree in journalism, nursing, teaching, engineering, medical research, etc. There are 38 children between the Bateses and Duggars, and it's so sad that none will have furthered their education, unless you count Erin Paine's music degree from Crown College. The only goals for the children are getting married and having babies.

Please, will one of you break the mold, go out on your own, further your education and have a real career.

Anonymous said...

In the first place I thought all these parents left the "goals" up to the individual and not themselves? So, the parents do dictate everything as we already knew...It's their definitions that bother me;;; purity is being a virgin; not what they intend; not to hold hands or show affection at all until engagement then marriage. Just over the top and unnecessary. Jut how guarded do these people have to be to be trusted to maintain standards they claim are their own in the first place?

Willow said...

Remember the recent episode where the Bates family decided to "clean up" their storage room and Chad had to help them? It just dawned on me that they may have fixed it up for Joe Duggar (kind of like JB did with Ben). I just have a feeling that is the reason. The timing seems to fit.

sandi said...

Would Joe be required to live on campus at Crown College the 1st yr,anyone know? I know a lot of colleges require that.
Otherwise,am thinking Willow may be right about Joe staying with the Bateses after they cleaned up.

Anonymous said...

'Bringing Up Bates' Renewed for Season 2 by UP TV
Written By Sara Bibel
March 4th, 2015

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/03/04/bringing-up-bates-renewed-for-season-2-by-up-tv/371061/

Anonymous said...

Is the current season over? It was only eight eps.

Anonymous said...

The show premiered Jan 1. Last nights episode was number 10 and they had previews for next week.

Heart in Florida said...

I actually enjoyed the episode last night, 3/5/15. It was nice to see that Gil's parents are normal, his mother has short hair, wears pants, and can't take all of the grandkids there at once...Like a normal grandmother...I also think his siblings are NOT like Gil and Kelly either, as they all had pants on. We should see Michelle visit her family like that...yeah, soon to happen, I'm sure.

ellen said...

Interesting to see the Bates kids dancing too, i thought it wasnt allowed?

Heart in Florida said...

I thought the grandparents were dancing?

Willow said...

The grandparents and Nathan were dancing. Well, Nathan was "trying". It was cute.

ellen said...

It would have been cute to see them all get up and dance, but at least they enjoyed it, remember when Derrick Dillard had that man sing to them, Jill just stood there, it was weird

Heart in Florida said...

Jill had never been allowed to listen to music like that for her "engagement surprise" so she didn't even recognize that the song was about them! She had been taught not to listen to lyrics that are ungodly and "tune them out". I'm sure she was doing that at first, then derickdillard made her realize it was for her..it was a waste of time for him to have done so.
I also would like an explanation from the Bateses as to why they say they don't dance in public, yet some of them did that in this episode? I would also like to hear just how they differ, if any, from the Duggars and their lifestyle beliefs and practices...that would make for an interesting episode, IMO

puddin' said...

I enjoy seeing the Bates Family. It was good to see the Grandparents dancing & Nate attempting too..per Duggars its not allowed. The Bates looked like there were having a great time and the dancing didn't look evil..just fun. I wish Duggars would let up on their Blessings...all they seem to zero in on is the sexual side of what may happen. Boob always talking about his kids being pure til marriage...every episode and more than a couple times he zeros in on this..its just down right creepy. I was rather grossed out with Carlin *i think thats her name* walking around on the table where they were to eat..like it was no big deal. SMH on that one.

Laura Smith said...

I had to laugh when Zach said next Thanksgiving, Bradley might have a little sister. Whitney looked at him like he was out of his mind.

Heart in Florida said...

Re: Laura Smith commenting on Zach Bates comment about another grandchild sooooonnnn...Well, what did Whitney expect? She married in to a family who do not believe in ANY birth control...step up to the plate, girl, and let YOUR wishes be known...

Stella said...

I was wondering if the suitors and husbands (Chad, , John and Brandon, of the girls scribe to the teaching of Gothard. There is a photo supposedly at Erin's and Chad's wedding that has Mr. Gothard in the far corner near Mr. Bates. Just curious, if the suitors need to believe and follow the same principals.

Willow said...

Stella - Chad and Brandon are Gothardites. Chad's father is on the Board of Directors as is Gil Bates. They had a birthday cake for Bill Gothard at Chad and Erin's wedding. I'm not sure if John is technically in the Gothard movement; however I read that one of his sisters-in-law is a niece of Bill Gothard, so I would think it is possible he is a Gothardite as well. Maybe someone else knows more about the Websters and can tell us.

Stella said...

Willow-- Thx for the insight. It appears all are interconnect. Either the Bates are more low key of their associations, you don't get the sense other than conservative viewpoints. Their interaction seems genuine with each other and not forced. The fact that Allyssa seems to be standing up for herself moving away, wearing pants and even not wanting everyone over at the birth is a big deal regarding their gothardite principals, they appear to be a lot more likable for now!

ellen said...

Remember when jill made her pregnancy announcement to the family, jimbob said, hey michelle, they must have paid attention to our pointers, eww!!

Kathy said...

I actually am liking this show. I love Gil's Mom as she seems so normal when constantly commenting on how having them visit is too much for her! lol!
The Bates just come off as more likeable than the Duggars.

Heart in Florida said...

I think the Duggars need to take lessons from Alyssa. She seems to be living a real adult life for her belief system in Florida and has made the adjustments well. She also has proven that measuring down your recipes from 20 to 2 is not a rocket science lesson, JILL, I'M LOOKING AT YOU...
However, I also noticed the Bates family at Clearwater Beach. What do they think they are going to find there? Even a decent swimsuit is immodest to them...looking for a "modest area" in which to hang out is ridiculous. If you're going to the beach, expect others to be around...swimming in your clothing, ie JEANS, is a dangerous thing to do, also the salt water will ruin your clothes. A person needs to develop self control when in the world, and the beach is NOT a place in which you will find someone clothed "neck to knees"...loosen up and realize a decent bathing suit is not immodest. Kelly seems to be a real grown up woman and takes charge of and cares for her children. What in blue blazes does she have in common with Michelle Duggar? Michelle is nothing like her, has only birthed the same number of kids.Kelly must feel like she is speaking to one of her younger daughters...

Stella said...

Did anyone else observe the Bates sisters had more issues with the one month hiatus of not seeing the new baby. Kelly appeared to be understanding and respectful of her wishes. Can only imagine the distance is difficult for the family but making it wor. Can't blame the younger sisters for wanting to be with Alyssa that is what they know -- we must be there. Yet Alyssa is carving a life for heself and family. She appears to like the less hectic and fewer people lifestyle.

sandi said...

I'm glad Alyssa is standing up for herself,however,once she sees how demanding a newborn can be,she might appreciate having some help from her family.

Stella said...

I may not agree with their lifestyle but again do find the Bates likable. Kelly is engaging and genuine from what is portrayed. Compared to the Duggars at least the Bates parental unit is a little bit more reasonable just a little.

Heart in Florida said...

I find the older Bates daughters' reaction to not being there when Alyssa delivers as being childish. What 20 year old, or teen aged girl has their sister's delivery wrapped up completely in their lives? I just don't think all that "jumping and excitement" is age appropriate..A sister can be quite close to each other and want to be there, but it shows me a lack of boundaries. Alyssa is getting pressure from her sisters when she wants to have her own space as any young married 20something woman would and should have...Like I have stated earlier, I think the Bates family is very much like the Duggars, they simply hide it better..also the networks know how the Duggars are portrayed and how they are received by their audience and I am sure this family has been coached in how to appear and more importantly, in how NOT to appear on TV. Yes, I do think that they are warmer and more involved parents than their Duggar counterparts, for I do believe that Kelly simply is a better more loving mother and genuinely has a natural love for her children,as where Michelle Duggar didn't and doesn't "have a heart for children", but felt it was her spiritual obligation to continue to procreate in retribution for her "birth control sin". She just doesn't enjoy being a mother.. if she did,, she would have been one and remained so.

Stella said...

You make good points Heart in Florida. I wonder what the connection is with the Webster Family and if they ascribe to the same principals. As I noted before if the sister's don't know anything different their expectation is they must be there. Allyssa in a way might break some of their expectations not for the bad but for the good. Everyone of them should make their own choices for what will work for their family and not feel it is expected. To each their own!

Manda said...

The Websters are ATI also.

Stella said...

Thank you for the 411 on the Webster's. All is very interesting yet it makes sense it is interconnected. I wonder if West Orlando Baptist is ATI connected. Alyssa had a photo of her and John going to service at the church. Good for Alyssa making her own steps.

Bobbi said...

I am Catholic. Our faith definitely not as close to or near the Duggars or Bates. Remember this purity crap is from the ruler Gothard who has never married & who also was called to task for sexual harassment by some women. I compare Gothard with Warren Jeffs who thankfully is incarcerated for Life.

Bobbi said...

The Bates kids pack for themselves however, Trace needs to know the hang up bag he packed is a Garment bag.

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