Unreality of the Duggar Reality

As requested, a place to list the unreality of the Duggar show.


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Buckeye said...

I love the concept of this thread because it has the potential of sparking more complex, therefore more interesting, discussion than mere banter about mundane Duggar detail and their manufactured drama.

IMO, top on the list of Duggar UNreality is a supreme being who cares one twit whether couples in love hold hands prior to engagement or enjoy premarital kissing. It's also impossible for me to imagine a God who is offended at humans self determining the size family they can handle.

Next on my list is the Duggar/Quiverful concept that only traditional gender roles are 'holy'. Additionally, the
Gothard-brand nonsense that college attendance is ethically risky, with its corollary that a one blue collar income family,wherein both parents have achieved only a Duggar-style home schooled G.E.D.,is likely to enjoy success in earning sufficient income to support a dozen-plus children is even more ludicrous.

The idea that women are responsible for having to keep constant male lust at bay is insulting to both genders, as is requiring chaperones until marriage.

Another non-reality is the Gothard/Duggar belief that premarital male-female socialization somehow cheats a later marital partner because it, by definition, is defined as 'giving away pieces of your heart',

And, I could go on, but I'll end here by stating that looking to a supposedly celibate, unmarried man (who is alleged to be Percy with young, naive females) for all the answers to Life's complexities is beyond unrealistic. It is downright dumb.


Ruby said...

A Duggar Unreality--they call their show a "ministry", yet make a very handsome profit from it.

Teddy gram said...

They act so pure yet talk about sex almost nonstop. It is ALWAYS on Jim Bob's mind and on the tip of his tongue.

70'schild said...

Well the Duggars are the poster family for Untealistic Reality. They have become a joke. With the Duggars their original objective was the "ministry" as we all know, no ministry exists. Above all, first & foremost it's now about anything short of selling out $$$$. TLC is not creative. TOO many reruns & people are bored. Viewers are bored with the courtships & continual pregnancies. Hey Duggars, the women in your Cult are not the only women in the USA who've given birth. I prefer to watch Bringing Up Bates as this program is Definitely more honest & the Bates parents do not project an air of needing constant attention from thevTV cameras. The Bates parents are authentic & rarely if at all contradict themselves. Gil & Kelly Bates are a wonderful REFRESHING breath of air vs the Stale Wound up tight Duggars. The Bates appear to be more Reality vs Unreality.

70'schild said...

Teddy Gram, you are correct about the Perv Jim Bob. I find it fascinating the ability Jim Bob has to talk about sex but never says the word "sex". JB always states "physical side" vs "sex". There's just Nothing credible or authentic about Jim Bob, Michelle, Josh, Jill & now Derick.

Erin said...

1.Buy used and save the difference.
2. All the pretentious titles....concert pianist, authors.....(help me out here, on these you all)
3. Amy is a nanny.
4. I married my best friend.
5. Jill stole something from her mama.
6. The Duggars donated all that money THEY made at their flea market. They may have taken all the credit but lots of people donated junk to it AND time. In reality, they had many hands cleaning out their junk barn at no cost to the Duggars. I suppose that is what they turned into the guesthouse.

What deceptions have you seen?

70'schild said...

Ruby, we all know the Duggars are NO ministry. If it were a ministry the Duggars would be respectful of other religious faiths. We all know the Duggars Target El Salvador to separate the Catholics via Fear from their faith. I don't understand why Jim Bob (because it begins with this jerk) despises the Catholic Faith. Could it be that JB is intimidated by or is fearful of the Catholic faith. I am a Catholic. Since many Catholics have become aware of the Duggars so called "missions" to El Salvadorr, the Catholic charities have begun stepping up providing practical items very much needed to the good people of El Salvador. Several Priesrs, Nuns & Volunteers have committed 1 to 2 years on sight in El Salvador. I really respect the work of Catholic charities & the remarkable & effective work they do as they are making a positive difference throughout the country of El Sakvador. Unlike the Duggars who bring candy & toys to El Sakvador & consider the trip a vacation staying two weeks to perhaps one month.

Hoosier said...

Buckeye. I am cheering your comment. You've written an outstanding message. I wish the Duggars read this blog.

cat said...

It stopped being a ministry, (if it ever really was) a long time ago. They no longer show them saving by going to thrift shops, they went to a real shoe store for Jill's wedding, yet nobody wore the same shoes anyhow. Michelle uses a Coach purse! I doubt they make their own soap, you see tide bottles in the laundry room. I agree about the sex talk, i dont know many Christians that talk like they do or even act out, cant do this, golf game...

79'schild said...

In the past, Michelle & Anna have logged on to Twitter & expressed their disdain that gay people should never adopt or through surrogacy have children. Anna expressed every child needs a Mother & Father & not have the same genitalia. Michelle has attempted to lobby against same sex marriage. There's so much more but will not go on. I am confident TLC is aware of these comments made by Michelle & Anna. The fact that TLC is aware in a way approves the ignorance if these two women. This alone is cause to cancel 19 Kids. I am a straight woman. Regardless of same gender, I believe it's every persons right to marry the person with whom they love & to be Hapoy. I have several gay friends & one couple who adopted a child. This child is secure, loved & happy. It is not the business of Michelle or Anna to pass judgment. It is for this reason, I only watch the "cliff notes" version of 19 Kids.

79'schild said...

I just googled Bill Gothard & a flood of information displayed. Many young teen girls Gothard has sexually harassed. One 16 year old girl almost took her life because her parents (avid followers of Gothard) didn't believe her when she went to them about Gothard harassing her. This young woman's story was quite compelling & I cried when I read about her experience working at the Gothard HQ in Chicago. There are several other similar stories about young teen girls who worked for Gothard & their experiences of Harrassment. After reading the first story previously mentioned, this brave young woman wrote "now I know why Gothard never married". This young woman referred to Gothard as a sexual predator. The ATI movement re homeschooling was founded by Gothard. The Duggars still follow this guys teaching. This is the main reason I don't respect the Duggars. Clearly Gothard is a False Profit the Bible speaks about False Ptofits. Gothard does not approve of a college education. So, this is the reason the Duggars discourage college. Clearly & long ago, Jim Bob drank the Gothard Kool aid, met & married Michelle & has now created his own private Cult. This Gothard guy just gives me a creepy feeling.





70'schild said...

Erin, the trips to El Salvador in an attempt to convert the Cstholics through fear
Jill's fake studying anatomy
CollegePlus doesn't offer a class in anatomy
Jill's a certified midwife NOT
Josh is in law school (LOL)
Josh is a graphic artist??
Jinger is a Prof photographer?
Jana is a concert pianist?
Michelle is a caring hands on Mom?
Jim Bob owns a constrution co.?

GJJ's mom said...

In regards to Erin's comment

Josh is a graphic designer
Jinger is a professional photographer and now JoyAnna will be a wedding planner

Rudy Tecat said...

"79'schild said...
I just googled Bill Gothard & a flood of information displayed. Many young teen girls Gothard has sexually harassed. One 16 year old girl almost took her life because her parents (avid followers of Gothard) didn't believe her when she went to them about Gothard harassing her. This young woman's story was quite compelling & I cried when I read about her experience working at the Gothard HQ in Chicago. There are several other similar stories about young teen girls who worked for Gothard & their experiences of Harrassment. After reading the first story previously mentioned, this brave young woman wrote "now I know why Gothard never married". This young woman referred to Gothard as a sexual predator. The ATI movement re homeschooling was founded by Gothard. The Duggars still follow this guys teaching. This is the main reason I don't respect the Duggars. Clearly Gothard is a False Profit the Bible speaks about False Ptofits. Gothard does not approve of a college education. So, this is the reason the Duggars discourage college. Clearly & long ago, Jim Bob drank the Gothard Kool aid, met & married Michelle & has now created his own private Cult. This Gothard guy just gives me a creepy feeling."

I like that you talk about Gothard being a "false Profit". Whether you meant to spell it that way or not, Gothard and his ilk are all about profits and not about prophets.

Etin said...

I appreciate those who are keeping it to just a sentence or two on this thread. It makes it so much easier for people to scan and see deception after deception very quickly without having to read a lot to find the one deception within the paragraph.



It hope The National Enquirer sees this list

Gidget Gadget said...

The Duggars don't eat Pork. Yet in England they ate bangers which ARE pork. Also, just this morning there was a re-run on where the Duggars had a guest who brought the meal with her. Along with Chicken and Beef, it was stated that she brought 2 lbs of pork. They most certainly showed Grandma Duggar dishing herself up some pork.

I know there are more instances where they have clearly been eating pork but I can't recall which episodes.

gen said...

All those apple devises in that family! For gay bashing people there is an awful lot of Apple stuff around.

For thrifty people, there is an awful lot of the latest apple devices around...

Ruby said...

Don't talk to me about purity and have your face splashed all over "People" magazine.

Kaykay said...

Oh! Don't even get me started on the whole flea market deal! It was nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing act! They didn't really care about the hospital. It was nothing more than an excuse to look good and get a tax break off of selling other peoples junk! Think about it....It is always about them, money and sex.

Jane said...

Buckeye, I totally agree with the Duggar Unreality of the constant male lust and insinuating that there's nothing the men can do about it so its up to the women to dress and live in such a way as not to tempt them. What? So basically they are incapable of controlling themselves? If they are true Christians, isn't that what God is supposed to help them with? Doesn't that come under the concept of one of the fruits of the spirit, "self control"?

Erin said...

Jim Bob's ride along with John-David. first of all JD is not paid and even has to buy his own uniform.

Jim Bob paid to have the Bates home added onto.

Jilly Muffin asking to go see the guy she was in love with but never met. Jill deceived us again. There was a sign up On her room that showed how many days until she went there. And did she have to get shots to travel there???? If so how did she handle it when she carried on so about her wisdom teeth.

The idiotic show about them considering having a farm. Jim Bob is way too lazy got that so most of us saw through it.

The cake that needed a cake doctor. Funny how it even changed color magically when they shied the cameras away.

Letting Hannie crawl up and sit with her legs positioned on either side around Mr. Jim's neck yet claiming to be so modest

MCL said...

The kids get to choose their courtship rules.

Jill's birth story.

Judy said...

Just the issue that they are Gothardites yet its never mentioned.

Josh's job -- what kind of job is never mentioned



j-anon said...

- Little kids "chaperone" unmarried adults, even though there are camera people present through the whole "date."

- Buddy moms raise their siblings, while Michelle and Jim Bob get applause for having so many children.

- Buy used and save the difference! Except when it's a freebie or purchased by TLC.

- Having to be an unnaturally cheery caricature at all times, no matter the personal cost.

- Staged parental bonding, which looks awkward and phony.

- Jurisdictions treated as character building, when in reality it allows people to make a mess that a sibling has to clean.

- Michelle and Jim Bob portrayed as hard workers, when a toddler drags their dirty laundry away and another child cleans their room.

- Blathering on about purity and modesty, while Jim Bob constantly makes insinuations about sex.

- Honor thy mother and thy father. Unless you are Jim Bob.

- All the fake or exaggerated jobs, when media outlets (magazines, television) are the major family business.

Buckeye said...

1. Public school attendance poses a threat to children's ethical under pinnings.

2. Michelle Duggar, unlikely the brightest bulb in her high school class, provides a superior education with Gothard curricula than college-educated and trained educators with public school standards and curricula.

3. the Duggars have even the most remote understanding of science and math (& lord knows their verbal skills and command of the English language are an obvious American embarrassment).

And, the word describing Gothard in my initial post in this thread was auto corrected - the word is not "Percy", but, rather, "pervy".

Elspeth said...

Miscarriage called a stillbirth.

Instead of pre-eclampsia causing an emergency c-section for Josie, Michelle now claims it was early labor from a gallbladder attack.

Irene said...

Like Judy said, it's never mentioned that they are Gothardites.
If this really is a ministry, they would be upfront about that, and tell all. But they don't, and that is very telling! They know the Gothatdite rules would never wash with the healthy thinking public.
They know there would be questions asked that might be uncomfortable for them, and the are just not willing to answer those. It would show JB&M for who they really are!
I just can't help myself following from the sidelines, waiting what might happen. One day, I hope in the not too distant future, people will see them for what they really are.

Esther said...

Hopefuly, Irene if we all post the things we have seen that don't make sense some who believe this silliness will wake up.

They follow the Bible that says to honor your father and mother yet on national tv Jim Bob and later Jessa and/or Jill are on there bad-mouthing his dad, after his death.

All the kids want to share a room. (At 25 I had been on my own for 7 yrs and would not want to share a room with siblings on a day to day basis!)Now you stay sweet, Jana as that is what you are REQUIRED to do.

Anna and Josh took that toad trip with the kids, without any help. Shame on you, Anna for telling that whopper. We saw Jana.

A party for Jill attended by babies (referred to as babies she HELPED deliver) My stars and garters, she was simply an apprentice mid-wife yet TLC has them show up...for what..... to say thank you to Jilly Muffin for being in the house when they were born? I'd love to see the people at TLC who come up with these asinine ideas. Oh, wait was it Jim Bob?


Fake voices- Michelle and Jill.

70'schild said...

Re the Duggar parents it's as if TLC sanctions or promotes Fraud with this family. The last time I watched 19 Kids I thought I am watching true liars & changed the channel.

Bobbi said...

Here's an idea.. TLC should change the title of 19 Kids to 16 Kids & decreasing or 16 Kids & shrinking or 16 Kids moving on. What are your comments?

Incredulous said...

the Duggar daughters write about elationships when none of them had any emotional relationship with a potential mate.

simba said...

Do the Duggars even read People magazine? Jill is pictured on the cover with a Gay, Rock Hudson, a lifestyle they dont approve of!

70'schild said...

Lets face it the Duggars are all about Sex, Lies, Babies & Bogus jobs all of which TLC promotes. When will Jim Bob & Michelle come clean about their involvement in the Gothard Cult?

Bobbi said...

Read the synopsis of Growing Up Duggar. It's a joke. The book did not receive great reviews. They should have entitled the book Growing up in pretend land or fantasyland. It would have been an honest approach.

Mary said...

Hi

I am convienced that Jessa and boy toy are not in love (the way most think of love) its all about lust and sex

Mary

Erin said...

Jim Bob and TLC using county government equipment to make money for his big, fat bank account. (i.e. Racing along to be pulled over and handcuffed for the camera
to catch your overacting) How do you like
that taxpayers in Arkansas? Sounds to me
like the Duggars live "off the government, afterall.










ARE living off of the government

70'schild said...

Oh did you watch the episode when the older Duggar girls were interviewed about their book? Of course motor mouth Saint Jill said no one should read romance novels because its not realistic. Well Saint Jill neither is writing a book about relationships when NO Duggar girl had ever DATED! The Duggars are just an enigma & clueless.

70'schild said...

The Duggar family most irritating voices include,.,Michelle, Jill & Josh. Just refuse to listen to these three speak. Mute is such a wonderful option for the remote.

IUHOOSIER said...

Does anyone who chats at this blog believe TLC or People's mag read these posts? Or does Jill, Jessa, Josh & now Josiah read these posts?

cat said...

How about plain, mousy michelle at the nail party saying she is all about sparkle and bling, really michelle?

sandi said...

simba said...
Do the Duggars even read People magazine? Jill is pictured on the cover with a Gay, Rock Hudson, a lifestyle they dont approve of!
--------------------------------

But she got the check,that's all that matters!

Bobbi said...

Michelle Duggar is the Queen of Minnie Mouse voice, rumpled clothing, ugly black stockings, ugly shoes & horrible split ends hair. I guess this is bling to Michelle.

Erin said...

They claim to be authors, celebrities and more. Bad actors or entertainers is more like it. Well, doesn't it entertain us to watch the latest idiotic things they do.... Like walking on counters and licking the floor....I see them right up there with HoneyBoo Boo.


It is a ministry?? What is it they are trying to teach us....The love of self, money and fame? That deceiving people with the untruths shown on their show? I believe some of what they say is good but it is spun with bad and some see only the good And assume everything they do must be correct. Check out Matthew 7:15-18

Tammy C said...

Show shouldn't change their name due to the fact many are getting married.The 3 married people are still on the show as part of the 19 kids and counting.


One part of the unreality is sometimes us.You really don';t hear them say buy used and save the difference or talk about making their homemade soap.People I guess still think they are portraying themselves as that and they sure are not at all'

Murphy said...

Ha the comment about the Jill/Rock Hudson People cover reminded me that every time the show airs I see a suggestive commercial for ladies razors (they trim tree bushes in to shapes in the commercial)

Buckeye said...

That there is a direct proportion between the degree of conservatism and morality (not that I'd expect the Duggars to understand a basic math concept such as direct vs indirect proportion).

That, if liberals have any "family values" at all, they are, by definition, inferior to those of the uber conservatives.

that, therefore, it is most ethical to completely isolate one's children from any one with moderate or (gasp!) liberal sensibilities.

Erin said...

They always seem to have lots of good friends when there is work to be done......
Do they even know their names?

Esther said...



I thought the scene where Jim Bob and Michelle's bedroom door was closed but Jill wanted to tell them she wanted to go see him was fake. Who in their right mind would be willing to interrupt Jim Bob and Michelle....the parents of 19 Kids and Counting....who are doing who knows what in there? Secondly since all of her communication with Derick was heavily monitored they would have already know. I call BS on this one.

I'd love to read what other faked reality scenes were obvious to others.


hello said...

It's a total lie that the kids make their own rules when they enter into a courtship. Jimboob and Mullet make the rules for them and they are expectes to follow them. When Jillymuffin met Derickdillard at the airport, she gave him a full frontal hug and Mullet said that they would make sure that didn't happen again. Jessa and Benseewald did a frontal hig when they got engaged, but Jimboob and Mullet weren't in the room with them. I wonder if they said something about it to her when either Jinger told on them or they saw the film footage. The kids are encouraged to tattle on their siblings if they see them breaking any of the courtship rules while they are chaperoning.

IUHOOSIER said...

Buckeye, correct observation. Every mode of the manner in which JB & M manage or pretend to manage mirrors that of the FLDS cult. Isolating ones children to me is criminal. Once all Duggar children are grown & hopefully out of that house, they will realize the error their parents made. At that time, anger against JB & M could become an issue. I've seen this situation occur in my family with overly religious relatives. In later life the adult children rebelled & a few of them no longer communicate or pursue a relationship with their parents.

Rob said...

First phoneyism I abhor: at Josh's wedding off screen producer asking JandM now that Josh is married will they continue to support him and Michelle proclaiming "oh no! Married means you're on your own buster." Then later in the series not only is JB documented as the property owner of Josh's Auto Dealership but is co-owner in the business and representative of it when trying to get a zoning variance to expand.

#2 the multi person van they use in the first few seasons just happens to be in that lot after they buy "used and save the difference" of another one.

#3 all those trips and excursions to places like the baseball game and Dollywood and Pigeon Forge TN where they lap up fantastic accomondations and freebies proudly boasted by JB as having "been invited to do so".

#4 the fact that may of the side trip excursions they take to camgrounds and other outdoor adventures are owned by and in communion with extreme fundamentist Christian organizations. This TLC Duggar Christian version of product placement is nauseating.

Virginia said...

One commenter said we don't really hear them say the buy used save the difference anymore. Oh yes we do. I heard Anna say it on the RV trip when she was shopping with Priscilla. Also one of the older girls said it recently too.

simba said...

I still think the Jubilee episode was fake! The 'acting' was so obvious, they probably had lost the baby a few weeks before. Please refresh my memory, but did Jimbob make those kids dig the grave?

Syndee said...

"Well, doesn't it entertain us to watch the latest idiotic things they do.... "

Actually, yeah. :) Me at least. I'm totally entertained by the antics.

But as far as what are they trying to teach us, ya got me...

mickey said...

Bobbi. Minnie Mouse always wear big black shoes. So I guess Minnie Michelle is right on track with her ugly ones!

sandi said...

Unreality..JB and M saying they have an open door policy to their kids at night,and then having a big bolt lock on that door!

70'schild said...

Ok ref 2 episodes 19 Kids.. #1 Michelle's said after she married Jim Bob The Lord convicted her to stop wearing pants & only wear dresses & skirts because its more modest. I say BS it was JB who sent her on the guilt trip to convert to dresses & skirts. We Michelke said she was obedient then removed the pants & shorts from her close t & tossed them. Why didn't Michelle give this clothing to a second hand or thrift store? This act of not thinking was wasteful. #2... The homeschooling episode with Michelle pretending to teach the children ages 5 through 9 about bankruptcy law. I had to laugh because clearly children ages 5 through 9 would never understand the concept of bankruptcy law. So basically Michelke gathered the younger children to the table so that the TLC cameras could film an episode of homeschooling. I just find it extremely incredible that JB & M truly believe the views of 19 Kids actually believe their lies. I also find it incredible that TLC believes the lies of JB & M. When will the Duggars be confronted about their false ministry, pretend homeschooling & a plethora of other issues?

IUHOOSIER said...

True re courtships the Duggar sibling chaperones are suppose to te JB & M if one or more of the rules are violated. When my 2 sisters & I were growing up early on & particularly during the teen years we made a pact never to tattle on one another. For us this pact worked. It's a code that wasn't betrayed. Re courtships & the absurd rules, because JB & M believe tattling is a good thing in reality they are teaching their kids that betrayal is correct behavior & it is not. I am curious as to what other lessons JB & M have taught their kids that is probably incorrect & senseless. Anyway, I don't believe Jinger told JB & M about Jessa & Ben's frontal hug after they became engaged. I hope at least one older Duggar daughter had the back of her sister. It would be refreshing. Had that been Jill the outcome & telling JB & M would have been blown out of proportion as well as highly exaggerated because them, the attention would have reverted to Saint Jill.

Ruth Anne said...

Their favorite word.....precious. Makes me want to hurl, especially when you look at all their supporters use of it on FB.

rosebud said...

Not so long ago I read somewhere that People Magazine pays $100,000.00 or more for the cover. Since most of the covers are of real movie stars, they donate the money to their favorite charity. Hear that Jill & Derik....

Bobbi said...

Mickey, thanks for the hearty laugh. I hadn't made the connection of Minnie's black shoes with Michelle's. Too funny.

Mary said...

Oh yes they buy 2nd hand. None of those cloth's those kids are 2nd hand. How many of them have tablets 2nd hand Yeah sure. that camera and lens all 2nd hand? yep!!! So many more. On another board they are saying the duggar men are all balding.. Some wonder if Jimmboob hair is fake

Erin said...

At one time they claimed to not know the gender of the baby that Michelle lost due to taking "the pill". Now they say his name was Caleb.

When did they learn the gender? And why doesn't that son's name start with a J?

70'schild said...

Jim Bob & Michelle are Minus desgression, decency & especially dignity.

Wampascat said...

I think Jim Bob has his hair. The boys are inheriting their bald gene from Michelle's line.

Rob said...

Simba asked "Please refresh my memory, but did Jimbob make those kids dig the grave?" Actually the kids were seen filling the grave up with dirt at the end of the burial service. It use to be common practice in the days of church yard cemeterys to help out the Sexton but that was no churchyard it was a commercial cemetery where the opening and closing of the grave is part of the fee charged and there are actual employees who do so. And here I wonder if having the kids close the grave was yet another example of JB trying to save a buck and use the FREE LABOR FORCE known as his kids. In my mind that is a terrible psych trauma to put on kids..."here put lots of dirt on your dead sister".

sandi said...

I think helping to cover the grave is symbolic of caring for the person in some cultures,even if it's just a handful of dirt tossed onto it.It's sort of like putting flowers on the grave to some;it means you care.I'm guessing the Duggars took that one to heart.

Andrea said...

Michelle's complete and total dis-interest in her grandchildren.

For someone who is such a great Mom, (ok, we know that's a total lie) she should be totally into her grandchildren. When Jill announced her pregnancy, she smiled a little, but also continued eating when it appeared she wasn't on camera. Very odd women. She's just not maternal as far as I can tell, despite the fact she had that many children. Josh and Anne's children don't even appear to exist to her.

No Gothard for me! said...

When they passed out class, Jim Bob said did you say glass & can I have mine filled. Class & the Duggars should never be quoted in a sentence.

cat said...

Michelle does not care for her grandchildren, as the attention is no longer on her.I pray she doesn't have anymore, i know they said she has started menopause, but could still happen or they may try invitro. I would love to see Michelle totally lose it, cut off her hair, rip the long hem off her skirt, get a boob job and a red convertible and drive away...

Stephanie said...

Big fake re enacting scenes there are so many but my favorites are
"I think im in love with someone I've never met"
But the topped that fake scene with the "I kinda stole something"
Jim Bob has a particular fake acting face when he is re enacting and I hate it. It happened in both scenes and after the "fake face" is "what do you think Mama?

Stephanie said...

The word "kiddos"
Precious
modesty
the word pops it used to be daddy
I call my parents mama and daddy southern thinf maybe but tjey used to be mama and daddy no :pops

Stephanie said...

Jana fake scene leaving for journey od the heart and wearing same clothes and driving off. Totally fake and "acted"
But even worse was the production titles it Duggar on her Own.

roddma said...

"Gil & Kelly Bates are a wonderful REFRESHING breath of air vs the Stale Wound up tight Duggars. The Bates appear to be more Reality vs Unreality."
They are all cut from the same cloth IMO. Gil is on the board of directors at ATI. Erin was afraid of meeting someone with green hair in secular college. I think Gil started his own church.
They also go on 'mission trips' as seen on the blog. All three married Bates kids were married/pregnant in less than 6 months. They have likely studied what works and doesnt work on TV. They are great grifters like the Duggars. For a supposedly struggling fmaily, there were nice honeymoon trips.
The only positive is Alyssa started wearing pants. I still dont see many of the Bates kids departing from their parents ways much.

Stephanie said...

Jana fake scene leaving for journey od the heart and wearing same clothes and driving off. Totally fake and "acted"
But even worse was the production titles it Duggar on her Own.

70'schild said...

Did further research about Gothsrd. This guy takes scripture out of context to suit his purpose. Re piano keys. Gothard said the white keys are wholesome & the black keys are carnal, WHAT? It's as if during the 60's Gothard went on a bad LSD trip & never recovered. The idea Jim Bob & Michelle have fallen for this bunk speaks volumes about their level of intelligence & lack of logic.


Erin said...

How they learn a new word and Jill will "run it into the ground". Derek said "surreal" and boy, have they worn out that word. I heard Michelle saying it.

"Crazy" is another overused word.

Erin said...

Was ol Gothard hanging around when Jana had to go up to that Journey of the Heart thing? She seems so sad now.

Someone asked why she doesn't leave that mess. She might not know that she can she is
brainwashed. What would the poor thing be able to do on the outside
to make enough money to live?
Would she have any idea where to
even start looking for help?

wampascat said...

Yes,Gothard was present when Jana was sent to Journey of the Heart. I'm sure she was a favorite
The Bates are exactly like the Duggars. They are just getting a good edit because the producers of the UP network are savvy to the crazy the Duggars have put out over the years. Therefore, the Bates family are trying to hide their crazy like most southern families . Oh, but it's there in abundance. They are cut from the same Gothard cloth. Yesiree...

Girlsrule said...

Well as Jill & Michelle would say.. Just precious, Like, Like, Like Totally So surreal. Totally. Just showing off that GED. LOL.

Wheez said...

All this talk about modesty and JB humps Moochelle at the golf course in front of his kid, the camera crew for the whole world to see. How modest is that? Bet the kids have already seen plenty.

simba said...

Yes the Bates and Duggars follow the same thing, but the Bates seem more nurturing and caring and actually show real love for their kids. I have never seen them go in for a hug to only turn away, they hug their kids..

funtally said...

Yeah that supposed "bankruptcy" lesson was ridiculous! What does MEchelle know about law? Besides bankruptcy law changes constantly, so why would young children need to k ow what it is now?

Erin said...

I have seen Jill stop as her mouth is motoring right along and say ... "and yeah...." like someone just whispered in her ear. I have seen Michelle do it, also.

Esther said...

Not only WHAT would Michelle know about bankruptcy law" but WHY would she know about it and why did she feel like it was important to teach it to little kids?

Esther said...

Michelle said: "WE graduated high school in May of 1984 and were married in July. I was 17 and Jim Bob was 19."

It looks like he had just turned 19 after they graduated but it appears he was still a year behind. I am certainly not making fun of him but simply wonder if this is why he has to be the ruler of his little empire.





Esther said...

Oh, lands.....

This is from a Michelle interview around the time when Josh "marred" Anna:

You don't get a reward for nothing, but you do get rewarded for hard work, such as one-on-one time with mom for a big goal. I might take them to the store, and get ice cream and go shopping together. I may keep candy around the house and will reward them with three skittles for something they've accomplished.

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Yippee, Skippy....one on one time with Michelle or three Skittles.

No Gothard junk for me said...

Here's some unreality.. What's up with this "authority" junk? I recall before Josh & Anna's wedding, Mr Keller said his authority over Anna now passes to Josh. Seriously? We are supposedly equal. I would never last in Gothard land. With 2 incomes in my family my spouse & I are equal partners. I f he began believing he had authority over me, we would be driving to divorce court. I guess in Gothard land if a couple believes this tripe then the woman gives up all of her rights & freedom & in a word becomes the slave in every aspect of marriage, no questions asked. This is really disturbing on so many levels. I don't believe Josh is a nice guy. I am convinced of it when he showed his true colors during his wedding reception after his cousin Amy teased him then he threw a handful of cake on to her dress. I thought are you mature enough to be married? The behavior reminded me of a 12 year old throwing food in a school cafeteria. Josh just a jerk. Hopefully he's not abusive with Anna. We wouldn't know because TLC only allows viewers to watch edited versions of 29 kids. However, there is something off about Josh & I've believed this to be true since the beginning of 19 Kids.

wampascat said...

The bankruptcy lesson came out of their wisdom books (Gothard).

Rob said...

Here's another totally fake moment in Duggarville. Derik asking Jimboob if he can marry Jill. Marry not court. But wait oh well let's include BOTH events. Jimboob acting all surprised and astounded then mumbleing some false concern question about his ability to care for her properly. Let's just hope the TV audience is stupid and ignores the fact he's been monitoring and CONTROLING the whole relationship from day one and knows this dude better than the dude knows himself.

Syndee said...

I'll take the Skittles

Loving Life said...

The misfortune or chance to pursue career opportunities for the Duggar kids is discouraged by the Duggar parents. Think about this.. The Duggar Kids are raised with limited education, from birth they are encouraged to marry early & begin producing babies ASAP. They are also relegated to living at home until marriage. These are Gothard principles & to me it's not only imprisoning the Kids on a physical level but mentally as well. Some of the Duggar girls Jana & Jennifer seem sad & lost. I really can't address issues with the boys because little attention is given them. If the Duggar kids had been allowed a strong educational basis K through 12, I believe they could have gone on to college & made a positive impact on society. It's basically when one stops learning, one stops living.

Girlsrule said...

Esther, excellent point. I believe Jim Bob didn't do all that well in HS. It's obvious with his constant need to be front & center, to crack inappropriate jokes. & to pursue camera time that he's insecure & ill at ease withi himself. I am not making excuses for him. However, I believe Jim Bob is a control freak & will do anything to retain the position of self appointed King over everyone of his kids lives & that includes his married daughters & their spouses. It's sick but it's reality.

Stephanie said...

My favorite"lesson" was when they were using child labor to build their house Michelle said :perpendicular" amd made the kids repeat. She's come along way from those days
She was pregnant and looked worn out im those days

Girlsrule said...

Wampascat, ok wisdom & creepy Gothard in the same sentence. Interesting.

70'schild said...

I am astounded as to the blind followers aka worshipers of the Duggars, "blind faith" ignorance or both. History has proven WW2 the ramifications of blind faith & it's results.

Buckeye said...

Re: Skittles
If Michelle were a brighter woman, she'd have extended her "3 skittles for your reward" to her husband, rather than going along with his Gothard- style wifely duty of sex on demand.

Buckeye said...

EXCELLENT point made by "70's child" 4/21, 8:24 am about the ramifications of blind faith and allegiance, as in WW2 Germany.

Though, along with a dearth of math & science knowledge, it's highly doubtful the Duggars' grasp of history is anything beyond cursory.

midwest mom said...

I am an evangelical Christian who spent time many years ago in a church that was big into Bill Gothard and his Institute of Basic Life Principles. (Luckily I moved to another state before they went whole hog following that program, otherwise I shudder to think what my life might look like today.) Just once I would like to see Jim Bob and Michelle answer some serious questions, including: 1) Why did you initially decide to accept TLC's offer to produce and air "19 Kids and Counting"? 2) Why have you continued with the show for all these years? 3) Is there any difference between these two answers? If so, please explain. 4) What makes your show a 'ministry'? 5) Do you have any say in how the episodes are edited? Do you watch your show each week? If so, how do you feel about the way you are portrayed? 6) Are you at all aware of public perception in some quarters that you have 'sold out' your family, faith and privacy for the sake of money? If you disagree with this perception, please explain how it is untrue.

I know it's a foolish hope that someday the Duggar parents will let us have honest answers to questions like these, but as a fellow Christian I would like to know if they have considered the way their faith is portrayed. Jesus said we are his witnesses in the world and the church is his body. Do the Duggars give any thought to the image people form of Jesus as they look at their family?

Mary said...

this family has no shame. Showing a baby have a siezure if horrible


Mary

IUHOOSIER said...

Buckeye, it's definitely paramount that during the school years one learns & is equipped with the resource tools that science & math skills provide throughout life. Regarding history; it's very important to learn the lessons that history teaches to avoid repeating circumstances or errors of the past. Buckeye, I very much appreciate your insight & analysis of the Duggars behavior it's always quite interesting & accurate.

MelodyJ said...

Midwest Mom, I believe you ask some good questions about the Duggars and their motives. Since they are in the media so much, I'm concerned that they are fast becoming too concerned about money and media attention. I think the Duggars need our prayers that God will guide them to make the right decisions. I often ponder what will become of them when the show will end and someday it will because nothing lasts forever. Someday the money will dry up too.

Music Lover said...

Did further research about Gothsrd. This guy takes scripture out of context to suit his purpose. Re piano keys. Gothard said the white keys are wholesome & the black keys are carnal, WHAT? It's as if during the 60's Gothard went on a bad LSD trip & never recovered. The idea Jim Bob & Michelle have fallen for this bunk speaks volumes about their level of intelligence & lack of logic.
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Maybe Gothard doesn't realize that pretty much every Negro spiritual as well as white spirituals (like "Amazing Grace") only use the black notes of the scale.

Dawniedawn said...

I love that the Duggars have always preached on how they limit their kids' access to the internet, but now they are all over Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Hypocritical much?

70'schild said...

Seriously, there's zero wisdom from Gothard only restrictions & how to live an imprisoned life of course under the guise of religiosity.

Bobbi said...

Erin, true Jill is a motor mouth. Jill's expressions when she speaks & butchers the English language is nauseating. When Jill is on screen, I either MUTE tthe remote, change the channel or walk to another room. I just cannot stomach Jill.

Never Gothard for me said...

I cannot believe that Jim Bob once held a political office in Arkansas. I know when he ran the 2nd time he lost the election. Perhaps his true colors surfaced during his time in office. I would enjoy learning the opinions of Jim Bob's former colleagues I am sure it would be interesting. The behavior of Jim Bob is he exhibits that of one who doesn't Listen, has his own agenda, has little if any regard as to the respect of others. Jim Bob is the epitome of a narcissist. It's difficult to watch Jim Bob he's just disgusting.

simba said...

From the looks of the article, people magazine is featuring some of the girls and Michelle in a 2015 beautiful women issue. It said People magazine went to their house and glamored them up. Too bad they are not allowed to wear normal clothes, michelle really looked nice, but her hair probably went back to the rat nest mullet as soon as they left.

Sara said...

Jim Bob Duggar is well respected in state Republican politics.

Sara

Wheez said...

"Holding hands" when one is engaged... Fine, if that is what you choose, but hold hands already. Not wallow all over your betrothed's arm (Jill) like a dog after somebody's leg.

simba said...

The hand holding between Josh and Anna was the worst, it was gross

No Creepy Gothard For Me said...

Sara, so Jim Bob was successful to FOOL his Republican colleagues. Why am I not surprised.

Edith Ann said...

Simba, watching Josh & Anna holding & groping hands during their engagement I wanted to shout "get a room already" their behavior was nauseating.

Edith Ann said...

The Duggars are no ministry. They are the epitome of promoting (without saying) in a subtle way to convert viewers to the Gothard CULT way if life. For those who are easily swayed, they will drink the Kool Aid & dive head first into this sick lifestyle. For those of us who analyze, research & approach life logically, we find this Gothard CULT to be an imprisonment of body, mind & soul & pity the people who unfortunately embrace it because those who do especially the children, will have no voice, will have no choice.

Girlsrule said...

Re Jim Bob & Michelle, there's an old saying.. "In order to act morally, one must act as if the whole world is watching ". With Jim Bob's sexual innuendo comments that's not projecting sound moral ethics. Again, the 19 Kids program is just about flaunting physical intimacy & the end results.

griffin said...

We know things are staged, but it was never so obvious to me as Anna's announcement this week. Boob calls everyone to the living room, and when they are all settled around, what does he say? " well Mama, we have 19 kids, two son in laws,(that should be sons-in-law) one daughter in law.. blah blah blah" listing their family members. Who does that? What a stupid thing to talk about. Let's all gather round and count up our relatives. It was such an obvious prompt for Anna to speak up. They had to know already.

Bobbi said...

The Gothard rule (again minimizing women) that women are responsible to maintain constant male lust at bay is insulting to both Sexes as is requiring young adults over the age of 18 & more to be chaperoned. It's ludicrous.

Kristiana said...

Syndee, I think I'd rather have the Skittles too!

My husband & I also have both noticed the lack of maternal instinct in Michelle (other than just to give birth). Do you think the younger kids are bonded more closely to their "buddies" than to their actual parents?

Regarding Jana, I think she looks so incredibly sad on the show—ever since Gothard got his hands on her. It must be very painful to watch her bedroom emptying, and being the oldest daughter—with no education, no prospects for a better life, and as previously mentioned, no idea how to escape the life by which Gothard's teachings have imprisoned her. I wish I could find a way to free her from the Duggar "compound/prison." She could come to my daughter's wedding in June, meet some normal guys, and see how the rest of us live. Maybe one of those guys would appreciate her for more than just her uterus and free her from her over-sexed father's creepy clutches!

Rob, when you called him "Jimboob" I literally LOL!! Thanks!

Virginia said...

This is a reply to the comment about the Duggars on the Internet etc. I was just thinking the same thing. They control (I will not say limit as it is all about control) TV and Internet consumption by their kids yet they are plastered all over itultiple times a day. Doesn't make sense.

Edith Anne said...

So Joseph Duggar is a college student enrolled at Crown College. I am shocked that Jim Bob & Michelle would permit this decision to go forward as they have always projected the opinion that no one needs to go to college. My question so Doctor's, Dentist's, Attorney's shouldn't 't have pursued a college degree? Duh! Since Jim Bob & Michelle never attended college, I am not surprised they have the opinion no one should go to college. Since Joseph is now in college & thankfully away from the Duggar nuttown, I hope once he graduates that he moves even further away from Dumb & Dumber. Erin Bates-Paine is a graduate of Crown College. Jim Bob & Michelle NEED to encourage their daughters to go to college & pursue a degree. Hey remaining Duggar girls living on the family compound, please pursue go to college & pursue a career. You don't have to limit yourselves to forced marriage & become a baby factory. Enough is Enough. Please pull the shades from your eyes & realize Gothard is a false profit & his rules for living imprison especially women.

Kristiana said...

My husband and I have both noticed that Michelle doesn't seem to have much maternal instinct in her, except for giving birth. The only children she seems to be genuinely interested in are the ones inside her uterus. I wonder if the younger children are more closely bonded to their "buddy" brother or sister and they are too "mama and daddy?" That must be emotionally difficult for them when their buddy gets married and moves away, Where is their support system then?

My daughter is getting married in June. She and her fiancé dated for 4 yrs and have been engaged for a year. They chose to remain chaste, but don't require chaperones to remain committed to their ideals. If you need chaperones (Jessa and Ben) because sexual desire has overtaken the desire to truly know the other person's heart, you're probably too immature to even be considering marriage. I suspect Jessa inherited Jimboob's lusty nature & narcissism which is going to be a real challenge when that baby is born. Maybe she's planning on having poor little Hannie or Joy take care of it while she primps and demands Ben's undivided attention. Those episodes will be carefully edited, I'm sure. We've seen a few episodes that showed Jessa's true nature and it wasn't pretty. I shudder to think how disrespectfully she will treat Ben before long.

70'schild said...

Re Josh Duggar: I did some further research & learned that Josh is now the Executive Ditector of the Family Research Council Action in DC. This organization promotes family, marriage & other conservative issues under the banner of Christian values.

Syndee said...

Yes Kristiana I'm sure the children are bonded to the older siblings more than Michelle. My grandmother (youngest of 12) said she barely knew her own mother, one of her sisters was like the mother. And this was in a family where the mother actually tried to mother them, not just purposely assign a "buddy." Add another 7 siblings and a full time job (TV show) for the mother, and the younger ones have no hope.

I also wondered about the internet issue. If they plaster themselves all over with Instagram etc, don't they bother to read the comments? How can they control what Jessa may read when she is posting selfies all the time?

Anyone know what people of that cult do if they don't have kids? That may be part of the pressure to have at least the first right away, there is nothing to do at home otherwise.

simba said...

Michelle has never shown any maternal feeling, even when nursing, she covers the baby, i always made eye contact with each of my son's while feeding. There was an episode when Michelle and one of the older girls were leaving, one of the little girls was crying and hugging, i think it was jill, she didnt cry for her mom.It is really sad to watch

Always said...

RE:70's child comment on Josh's job with the Family research Group. I hate to sound mean but where have you been? We have been talking about this for going on 2 years. He took that job before Marcus was born, that's why they moved to DC immediately following Marcus' birth. It was talked about ad nauseam. How Josh wasn't qualified for the job all the other employees that had college degrees were passed over. He got that job so the Duggar family would bring their fame to the FRC & would show up at all the rallies & they haven't disappointed the FRC. They have been there with Josh & his group ever since they hired Josh.

70'schild said...

Always, I am quite aware that Josh accepted a position with the FRC. The post I wrote was to a poster who Was Unaware that Josh is employed & working in DC. Sorry you were offended.

Erin said...

Anna announcing to Josh was all staged. The cameras were there to film it, yet Josh was not in on it but everyone else does. And he didn't act upset that the cameras came right in to his bedroom. If it was real most people would be a bit shook up to wake up and see a whole production crew and your family there. Imagine if it were real and they caught his heinie uncovered.

Girlsrule said...

Question, the Duggars are HUGE fans of the Arkansas Razorbacks as is evident from the U of A clothing they often wear. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful choice for Joseph to go to a real college & experience college life & everything that goes with it instead, Joseph is a student a Crown College with all of its restrictions & rigid rules. Oh but I guess that's similar to his life at home on the Duggar compound. I am still surprised the Duggars "love" U of Arkansas it's a non religious school with a Greek system, college kids who drink & engage in other activities of which the Duggar parents do not approve. I know one thing, college kids at
U of A do not Court they Date. I am sure when good ole Derick Dillard was a student at OK State Univ he dated. I know he joined a fraternity. Hmmm I wonder if King Jim Bob is aware of Derick's fraternal experience when he was in college? Still can't believe that Derick couldn't find a nice college girl who was educated so that they could relate to one another on an intellectual level. Now he's married to LIKE & TOTALLY Jill & a new Father.

buckeye said...

the FRC can create whatever title they want for Josh - they can call him The King of Conservative or CEO for Christ - it doesn't matter, because giving a Duggar-homeschooled GED recipient any kind of real job is a joke. Josh Duggar having any concept of RESEARCH is a farce.

Memo to the FRC: contrary to all your piety and prideful assumption that conservatives own the market on familly and morality, you remain clueless.

Gothardites and groups like the FRC, including the Duggars, are cartoonish.

Bobbi said...

During 19 Kids show, why are the Duggars afraid to mention they are followers of the Prophet Gothard? It's obvious they follow this guy ATI homeschooling founded by Gothard the other absurd rules that limit & imprison people. I am just curious why Jim Bob does not acknowledge the loyalty to Gothard. Any comments?

Loving Life said...

Just read Josh Duggars LinkedIn profile. It was definitely embellished. I was surprised that Josh chose to use a photo from his wedding which was unprofessional. Then, I saw another photo of Josh by himself which was I suppose more appropriate. Basically, Josh's LinkedIn profile was a bit nebulous.

May said...

Regarding Jennifer Duggar--many have commented on her seeming lack of happiness as we rarely see her smile on the show or in pictures. The Duggars explain this by saying that she just has a serious personality, etc. A friend of mine is a social worker and was describing Reactive Attachment Disorder to me and my mind immediately went to Jenni. Now, I know I am not a doctor or psychologist and am not saying Jenni absolutely has this disorder. I just found it interesting/sad that she came to my mind so quickly. So for those interested...

Reactive Attachment Disorder is defined as a condition where an infant or child doesn't establish healthy attachments to their parents. Symptoms include sad or listless appearance, failure to smile, watching others but not participating in social interaction, and withdrawl, sadness, or fear that can not be readily explained.

One of the risk factors listed for this disorder is the child is part of an unusually large family, such that parental time is scarce or available unequally or rarely.

(All info from mayoclinic.org)

Mary said...

Hi

Next week they are showing Josie Seizure. Does Tlc have a camera person there 24/7? Does this family have no shame.. I find this family shneful nothing is private. Excet there so called modesty.Its ok to see a small child in distress. did Jim BOOB laugh? where was the mother At queen Jilly home.

MaryG

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Margaret B. said...

Shut the cameras off and let the paramedics do their work. This medical emergency should not be fodder for TV ratings. Sounds like Jana is more of a mother to precious Josie than MOTY Michelle is.

Sadie said...

Regarding the preview of the Josie seizure episode, Michelle's headshot makes her appear to be excited about the whole thing - how inappropriate! I'd rather blame poor editing than think she really did react that way after the fact.

Bertha said...

I am not surprised they filmed Josie having a seizure. They filmed a dying Grandpa,and his funeral, toilet births, Johanna getting stitches, Jubilee's funeral, the kids vomiting many times, and the time one of the boys fell off stage and broke his jaw. The last thing I would do in any of these situations is grab a camera. They are really getting desperate for material. Jump the shark already.

Bobbi said...

Forgot one more detail.. The Duggar kids are not allowed to express themselves through dance. In the Bible David danced before The Lord. I am sure old Jim Bobwoukd say "we don't dance in Arkansas" thereby assuming no resident in the state of Arkansas dances. Another arrogant, idiotic & ignorant from self absorbed Jim Bob.

simba said...

I think Michelle loves the attention she gets with a sick or injured child, remember when one of the boys got hurt, the first thing she did was pull out her phone and record it with a smile the whole time. She is scary.

Edith Anne said...

I feel so bad for little Josie. This wonderful little girl doesn't have a chance with these stupid parents. From the clip that was shown, I've never seen Jana so visibly upset. Then I saw JB & M who clearly took the cavalier approach about the serious medical issue of their youngest child. Again I write, why doesn't someone report JB & M to Arkansas child services. Everyone knows they are imprisoning their children. In the past the insanity of the way the FLDS children were being abused was reported & the state of CO intervened. FLDS & Gothard CULTS are bedfellows.

Linda said...

If Jennifer does have that particular disorder, then perhaps one day she will be the one to author that tell-all book we want to see?

Girlsrule said...

MaryG, obviously TLC has no FILTER when filming the Duggars. Anything to maintain ratings. Really duplicitous behavior.

Pam said...

Yes, Sadie. In the previews, Jana looks very distressed, but Michelle is nowhere to be seen. When we see the shot of Michelle talking, she does not seem to be concerned in the least. It looked like one of the brothers carrying Josie to the ambulance. No Michelle anywhere. And was that a camera guy trying to help when Jana had Josie on the counter in the first scene?

Always said...

To 70's child. Oh I'm so sorry I didn't see the post you were referring to & just couldn't believe anyone that followed the Duggars didn't realize what a huge joke Josh is. Again I am not offended just sorry I missed the original post you were responding too.

Callie said...

Simba, excellent point. When a Mother enjoys the attention of a sick or injured child isn't that referred to as the mhnchousin syndrome? I could be incorrect but believe this is the correct term for this behavior by a Mother.

Virginia said...

I too saw the Josie preview. What was so telling was that it was Jana who was right there holding her and crying, obviously very upset and worried. Where was Michelle? Usially it is the mother who responds that way.

Girlsrule said...

Linda, wouldn't it be incredible if it were Jana to write a tell all book about her experiences growing up in that nuthouse. At least the book would be released sooner with Jana vs younger sister Jennifer who could write the sequal.

Syndee said...

Why blame TLC? If I had a production company where I made money by bringing viewers, and some idiot family is going, Film me! Film me! Please, please please!! and they signed all the consents, etc. sure I'd film them all the time.

I think though I'd draw the line where I might tell the crewmen to call in paramedics in some of those cases. But maybe they were the ones who did call the paramedics.

KK said...

#2... The homeschooling episode with Michelle pretending to teach the children ages 5 through 9 about bankruptcy law. I had to laugh because clearly children ages 5 through 9 would never understand the concept of bankruptcy law. So basically Michelke gathered the younger children to the table so that the TLC cameras could film an episode of homeschooling.

^^^^^

In regards to the above, perhaps that was legitimately what they were learning - without the cameras there - spun in such a way to show that "any evil debt" would lead them to NOTHING / Bankrupcy. Maybe?

70'schild said...

Always, no problem. I find it laughable that Joke & Josh both begin with letter "J". Ok then.

KatieP said...

The Freedom of the Duggar kids is absolutely limited. Basically NO to the way they dress, go to school, no college (except for boys), no listening to music other than hymns or classical, no dancing, No DATING only courting, marriage & a plethora of babies. No careers outside of home (especially girls), just always "sweet". It's ridiculous.

Linda said...

Girls rule..
It would be great if Jana would write it, and then Jennifer wrote a follow-up from her perspective. Then we'd have the story from beginning to end. Jana just looks so beat down by life in that compound...sort of like an indentured servant who knows the price of freedom in her life will just be trading one authority figure (parents) for another (husband and subsequent children). Do any of you think they have a clue that we feel this way?

Girlsrule said...

Linda, I've often pondered your last question. However, I think Jim Bob & Michelle have done such an excellent job of Gothard brainwashing that the Duggar kids are oblivious to any real reality outside of the Duggar compound. Even though the Duggar kids have cell phones, Internet access, IPods, etc. that technology is very closely monitored by the stupid Duggar prison guard parents. As I've posted before, clearly the basic rights of Freedom for the Duggar kids is non existent. That includes the married Duggar daughters & spouses. Jim Bob owns the homes of the Dillards & Seewalds this is his method of continual control. Once the remaining Duggar boys marry, I don't believe Jim Bob will control their homes or lives as obviously he doesn't with Josh & Anna. I could be incorrect however, from watching the majority of 19 Kids, it's clear to me the boys have far more Freedom vs the girls.


Girlsrule said...

Hey Linda, you are correct about Jana as an indentured servant. Perhaps this is the reason Jana isn't at this time, interested in courting, marriage or pregnancy. At age 25 the longer she postpones the aforementioned, the less children her body will allow her to produce. As women we only have so much time to become Mother's. I've never heard Jana remark that she wants as many children as God gives. BTW I've always thought that comment was just well ridiculous & absurd & it's from the Cult of Gothard.

Wheez said...

Unrealities.. Meechelle yelling "Good job!" sarcastically when one of the boys accidentally broke a pic frame in Jessa's house. Oops, not all sugary sweet, are we. The truth is dhoeing thru and it's ugly. I didn't see her doing any work.
Another unreality, the staged pigeon scene in Venice. People don't yell and scream and "put on a show" like that. Most don't even feed the nasty pigeons.

Callie said...

Ok need some enlightenment...re Derick Dillard.. Ok this guy graduated from a secular college OK State Univ & while a student, joined a fraternity. Ok I am sure the guy went on a few dates I mean he's not ugly. Derick graduated with a degree in accounting & is now employed with the corporate office of Walmart as an accountant. Ok first mistake, the guy contacted Jim Bob to become his prayer partner while he was doing humanitarian (not mission) work in Nepal. So Jim Bob decides to hook up Derick with Jill. Why not more grounded & not needy Jana? I really thought As an educated man, Derick was more logical & could see that Jill has the maturity of a 12 year old. Did Derick just want a doormat for a wife with limited intelligence? Because, he definitely got one. I can't believe he agreed to the no birth control part of marriage. I mean the guy graduated from a State school. Why couldn't he have found a better class of girl at OSU? I am really perplexed about this marriage. I believe that eventually, Jill's lack of education & limited life's experiences will cause Derick to lose interest & perhaps seek a woman who is more his equal & challenging intellectually.

Girlsrule said...

Hello, Jim Bob & Michelle at age 25, Jana Is An Adult & doesn't Need to court. Please accept this Fact. Leave Jana alone & allow her some Freedom from performing the duties of a Mother of which Michelle should have always been doing. Jim Bob & Michelle please just once in your lives, do the decent thing & let Jana decide & choose her path in life & the person she will select to date & marry.

Wheez said...

Re Callie's Q: why did JB hook Derick up with Jill and not Jana?
Because jillymuzzle is his favorite. She parrots him word for word. She is the female version of him.

KatieP said...

I just don't see that Derick & Jill have much in common. Recently, Jill upgraded her vocabulary to include the word surreal. This must have been quite an accomplishment from TOTALLY, LIKE & AWESOME. Well Jill "golf clap"!

Dar said...

Now that Meechelle will not be birthin' no mo' babies, isn't is about time she assumed some responsibility for the last four little girls. The only one she does anything for is Josie and as the clip regarding Tuesday night's show reveals, most of that responsibility lands in Jana's hands. Hannie, Jennifer and Jordyn get absolutely noo attention from her. Poor Jana, it is such a crime that she has to be the one responsible for a very sick little girl when the mother swans around with her married children acting like a teenage with that clown of a husband. Talk of adoption. What a laugh. Is there nothing she won't do to garner attention on that show?

Buckeye said...

Speaking of UNrealities in Duggarland, how about the tears Michelle ekes out when trying to legislate the entire planet into prohibition. You know, "for the chiiiildren.

And the on-cue tears when doing public speaking gigs about her first miscarriage and it supposedly was her sin for using that tool of the devil, contraception.

And, finally, the whole big hooptydo funeral episode, exploiting Jubilee's death to promote their anti choice agenda? One wonders where the big, over the top, funeral for "Caleb" and/or Anna's miscarriage???

and, while I'm on this subject, burying a fetus in a gun cartridge box is beyond inappropriate.

These people's strangeness is eclipsed only by their phoniness.


Buckeye said...

Since Derrick,no doubt, dated pre-JillyMuffin, I guess poor little Jilly gets gyped out of those "pieces of his heart". Everyone should be dateless until marriage like Jim Bob, who, I'm sure, has never been a babe magnet.

Erin said...

It was Derek Dillard who taught Jill Duggar DillarD and her whole family that big word "surreal". Maybe Jim Bob Duggar had someone read him the posts and decided somehow he needed to get some help for their lack of education. It couldn't be obvious so why not find someone who had gone to college and get him to quickly marry into the family and teach them some big words. He searched and found someone on the other side of the world who would do it in exchange for a McMansion .....and when the first boy was born he would be rewarded with braces!

When Derek Dillard met, married and became a dad in no time he said "it is all so surreal". And that is why we have heard Jill Duggar Dillard overuse the word. Michelle Duggar, Ben Seewald and Jess Duggar Sewald now all use that big word a lot.

Girlsrule said...

Wheez, wow, we definitely know that DIGNITY & CLASS will Never Define Jim Bob & Michelle.

Kimmie H said...

Please in the future, No Chaperones for Jana & one day John David. Please Jim Bob & Michelle just your absence is required.

IUHOOSIER said...

What was the real reason that motivated Derick Dillard to contact Jim Bob in the first place a person whom he'd never met as a prayer partner? Really? Was there another agenda? Perhaps Derick was interested in appearing on reality TV? This guy was the total opposite of what Jim Bob would have chosen for St Jill because he was educated n public schools & graduated from a secular college. The fact that Derick is college educated would have Jim Bob's red flag up because Michelle & Jim Bob despise higher education. It's still an enigma to me as to why Derick & Jill married in the first place? They just seem so mismatched & uncomfortable with each other. Well, they've had a child so perhaps not so much.

IUHOOSIER said...

Buckeye. I love your incredible sense of humor & your talent for writing. Your portrayal of Jim Bob as a non Babe Magnet was outrageously funny. The comment about Derick sharing pieces of his heart when he was in college just really cool. I wonder if Derick was quizzed by Jim Bob & Jill as to his experiences dating in college or fraternity life? Do you think JB & J would be curious? I am still convinced the marriage between Derick & Jill was arranged. I still believe that Jim Bob paid off Derick in the form of that mansion & opportunities to appear on TV. Do you believe the marriage between Derick & Jill is long term? Please share. Thanks.

Erin said...

I remember Jana making some remark about weirdos contacting them wanting to date them. Maybe Derek Dillard was being subtle when he didn't come right out and email Jim Bob to see if he could end up getting into that family.

Michelle did get on Jana and I don't think I have heard Jana talking much since then.

But they sure encourage clueless Jill to talk on and on.

But I digress...
Many have wondered if Jana wasn't interested in Derek Dillard so next up was Jill whom he let's lead him around (and drive him) llike she is his sister mom

IUHOOSIER said...

Since college, I've often used the word surreal when writing or general communication. Basically it means unusual or similar to a dream. I am surprised the Duggars had never learned of this word. Does this mean Derick will be providing lessons to the Duggars in grammar, vocabulary & definitions as well? Again, it's obvious that Detick & Jill are mismatched. Jill would have been a better match for a guy who attends ATI conferences or perhaps one of the Bates boys who I am sure would love to procreate & produce a child with a wife every nine months.

Rob said...

Edith Anne's comment..."So Joseph Duggar is a college student enrolled at Crown College. I am shocked that Jim Bob & Michelle would permit this decision to go forward as they have always projected the opinion that no one needs to go to college." Not much to worry about on that issue because Crown College in Tennesee's web site indicates it is a very conservative Bible college with strict rules on student conduct up to and including suit coat and tie on male students and the skirts for girls which Mama and Daddy Duggar have already been enforcing. The school is part of the Independent Baptist realm of Christianity (what the Duggars are) and follows Gothard practices nearly to the letter. Also the vast majority of programs are religion oriented with a scant few being of a more worldly view (accounting, trades) but again with emphasis on taking those skills into faith based carreers not the secular world. No doubt Gil Bates who lives near by and sits on the Gothard Board Of Directors had a hand in selecting this school for Joseph. In short by attending this school Joseph is NOT expanding his horizons as one normally does at college/university but staying corralled into the prison of belief that has been his life from birth. Jimboob and Meesshell have nothing to fear. Good for them, lousy for Joseph.

Now inregards to theories Meeshhell has a penchant for liking her children to be ill as it gets HER attention, the proper term for that personality disorder is Munchausen's By Proxy. Muuchausen Syndrome is the disorder where a person makes his or herself ill to get attention By Proxy means they revel in the illness of a child or other family member for the sympathy attention they the parent gets. This is why as I stated on one of the other threads here I'm very interested in seeing the episode of Josie's seizure. How is Josie treated by her mom? How is the issue of her now undeniable Epileptic disorder going to be documented? I believe seeing an actual seizure going down is great to use for education on how to treat it properly but not if the attention is on a parent instead of the patient.

Linda said...

I have a "not so nice" theory about why it was Jill paired with Derick and not one of the other girls. First, I don't think the other girls will ever have a problem finding guys who are interested in meeting, courting, and marrying them. Of the eligible girls, Jill was the "plain" one...and maybe needed Daddy's help in scoring a mate. Since she is his perceived favorite, he made sure Derrick's choice was narrowed down to Jill. This is just my opinion, but it seems most likely to me.
As for Derick...I think it was a calculated move on his part to be part of the whole Duggar package. Court a Duggar...score some cash (upon marriage)!

Girlsrule said...

Seriously, Jubilee was laid to rest in a gun carriage box? You are very observant. I would have never recognized the coffin as a gun box. That's really sick. These Duggars will do anything to remain on TV. What's next for these parents the selling of one of their least favorite children?

IUHOOSIER said...

Rob, thank you for providing the clarification & correct definition of the condition mhchnhoidin by Proxy vs syndrome. I embrace learning. Thank you.

Syndee said...

"believe that eventually, Jill's lack of education & limited life's experiences will cause Derick to lose interest & perhaps seek a woman who is more his equal & challenging intellectually"

Maybe that's why they pushed for the covenant marriage, the one that makes it harder to divorce

Girlsrule said...

Sydnee, the covenant marriage well if Derick loses interest in Jill & it could happen especially if she insists on becoming a baby factory. I don't believe Derick wants 19 plus kids. I just have a feeling Derick is not in for the long haul. However, once 19 Kids ends & the money is long we'll see. It's a blessing that Derick is educated & gainfully employed. One day, Derick may choose to pursue a CPA much different & more money vs a standard accountant.

Girlsrule said...

One more thing. As an accountant employed with the corporate office of Walmart, Derick will probably interact with educated & attractive women co-workers who communicate in words other than TOTALLY, LIKE & AWESOME. Amazing.

Erin said...

Derek Dillard worked hard to be in the limelight at OSU as Pistol Pete. There was an application fee to tryout. There are always two Pistol Petes each year so he and Josh Bailey were Pistol Pete in 2009-2010.

Jill acted like he was the only one EVER. Why is she so proud since it was related to his time in that horrible thing the Duggars hate.....college!

Their wedding site says Derick dilliard stopped by their home in December 2011 while out caroling. Gee, I wonder how the Duggar house was chosen. Anywho, not long after that Derek Dillard contacted Jim Bob to see if he would be his prayer partner.


Hmmm.....so the Pistol Pete gig was over in about May 2010. In Dec 2011 did he see an opportunity to get some celebrity status again, if he played his cards right?

Kimmie H said...

I still believe that Jill's boring immaturity & lack of common sense & other characteristics will eventually be the demise of her marriage to Derick its evitable they are mismatched. Although, perhaps the reason Jill became immediately pregnant was her way of insuring Derick will not leave. Just a thought.

KatieP said...

Very interesting. Derick is educated & intelligent. If he has a propensity to seek game, perhaps with this marriage to Jill, he's placating the Duggars. Derick is smarter than Jim Bob (well that doesn't take much). I just have doubts as to the success of this marriage between Derick & Jill. Frankly, I believe Jessa & Ben have a better chance at a successful marriage that is if Jessa doesn't outgrow & become bored with Ben.



Erin said...

I think Derick will stay with her no matter how clingy and clueless she is. What I don't get is how he is educated and has gone alone to another country, yet he acts like a whipped pup around her. She talks and he sits there like a lump. He tries to talk and her mouth is hanging open ready to jump in and take over to finish the thought he was attempting to verbalize. She just has to be in control and he runs follows along (example: to that home school conference where they had no business being)....except to get their mugs on tv and scarf a check from TLC.

Virginia said...

I hope that one of these days one of the son-in-laws realizes that the strings that come attached to the homes that JumBoob provides isn't worth it and I do believe that will happen sooner or later.

Melissa said...

Wow so I have watched some of the Duggar episodes on you tube (I hope that watching them on you tube does not contribute to overall ratings in any way). I think that indeed the Duggars are reading this blog because they make a point to change their behaviors based on criticisms that are pointed out. For example, many of us were genuinely concerned about Anna's labor and delivery with Michael. For Marcus, Anna makes a point to exclaim how great of a delivery and post partum recovery that she had with him. The "Bubba" dog episode,in my opinion, was taped and edited in quickly for viewers AFTER the cat incident. This is their "subtle" way to demonstrate that they really do care for animals! Also Jessa had to chuckle and laugh on that silly radio interview that the "cat was FINE. It was an ACCIDENT" (yeah right, Jessa Blessa, we are not stupid).
I will say that when I watched the episode of Josh and Anna moving to DC, I was pleased to see that Josh is treating Anna better. He also seems to be doing a good job at parenting. Seeing Michael cry for his dad when Josh left for work does indicate to me that Josh is spending some quality time with his kids. Perhaps, the last 6 years have humbled Josh and made him grow up a bit. He doesn't appear to be quite as arrogant.
As for Jana and John David, I think they're smarter than the rest of the gang, and they know if they delay marriage, it will decrease their potential family size (10 is much better than 15-20 kids) Also I think Jana probably sees from her every day life how much SHE is NEEDED for those little ones since Michelle only seems to be interested in Josie. I agree with others that Michelle does not have much of a maternal instinct. Maybe I am missing something, but I think it is obvious from them relaying their "story" that she and Jim Bob were guilted into a large family because they felt like they "murdered" Caleb. The Bates family on the other hand wanted a big family because they genuinely wanted a big family.
At any rate, Kudos to Jana for staying around longer as she is very much needed especially for the younger girls who seem to be ignored. Although,I also feel like all the boys (other than Josh) were pretty much ignored by Michelle. Again, maybe I am misjudging from what I have seen on the episodes. But it seems like she doesn't do much with any of them. I find it funny though that now TLC and Michelle are pointing out the episodes where she spends "one on one time" with each of her kids- again they may have picked up on some of our comments that we notice the Bates do special things with each child and also take vacations with the older kids.
Glad that UP introduces the Bates family surrounding a song that says "It's all about family" unlike the weird TLC introduction for 19 Kids that has Michelle gloating about how "Yes IIIII delivered EVERY one of them!"
Sorry for the rant

KatieP said...

Melissa, it was a great rant & excellent analysis of the weirdo Duggar family. If in fact the a duggars do read this blog, I am curious as to their opinions we have expressed on the way they dress, courting, education or lack thereof, etc...

Kimmie H said...

Hey Duggars if you really do read the comments posted at this blog. We Are NOT impressed with the rules of courting. We are NOT impressed with continual pregnancies & the fact that the Duggars attempt to project the women in the family are the only ones in this earth who've ever given birth. It's insulting to those of us who choose to use birth control & to plan when we want to begin a family. News Flash birth control is not a sin. Also, wake up & smell the coffee, the Gothard organization is a Cult. Any person who is educated & intelligent has concluded this obvious situation. Please stop imorisoning & deleting the Freedom of your children particularly the girls. Michelle, please begin to become a Mother to your younger children. It's not the job of a "Buddy" to become surrogate Mothers. Dating is much smarter than 18th century courting. Please, please, please cut & style your hideous hair as well as your daughters. It's no sin or crime to have shorter hair. Jeans, long pants & shorts for the girls. One piece swimsuits vs that ugly swimwear the Duggars currently choose to wear its horrible.

Syndee said...

I don't think they were quilted into anything .. I believe it is all very deliberate to have dozens of kids, both families. the religion dictates it, and it is giving those men tremendous power. they are both high up in that Gothard structure, and they are both very good at keeping it quiet.

I thought the guilt thing first when I first saw Michelle express desire for the next kid, whatever the number, and I was waiting for JB to say, no way you are nuts, then instead he's agreeing??! and I realized something unusual was going on.

I'm totally convinced they're having children whether they like it or not, to build this huge following for the organization and they are incredibly successful so far, while we all sit and watch and go, how cute, look at the big loving family.

Callie said...

Derick seized the opportunity to hopefully begin a career on TV. His efforts to initiate a relationship with Jim Bob & eventually Jill, could be perceived as one who's has a not so nice agenda.

Afternoon Delight said...

I think Derick could be a charlatan. His low laid back personality may be just a ruse. He just doesn't fit the Hick dim witted persona of the Duggars. However, Ben with his limited brain capacity fits quite well.

Cedric said...

Erin, do you think Derick's whipped pup behaving as a lump around Jill is an act? I am just very dubious about Derick. There's just no way Derick would be intiimidated by half baked motor mouth Jill. Is this message surreal for you Jill? I hope Jill enjoys using her new word improperly which I am TOTALLY LIKE AWESOME convinced that she will do so. Very impressed with that ATI education. Duh!

Cedric said...

Hey Jill, Dictionary & Thesaurus. Learn! I am sure Derick has minimal interest to teach remedial vocabulary & grammar to your Duggar family & you.

Pleased to Share said...

So Gothard is clever when he dictates the rules of continual pregnancy & the pathetic limitations of the ATI method of homeschooling. Gothard's objective is to promote dim witted & ignorant followers because of "blind faith" they will Never question his direction. Gothard could never manage, handle or dictate those of us who are educated & intelligent because we question & research to seek valid & proven results. Gothard's intelligence is limited however as the leader of a Cult, he's managed to achieve success through fear, reprocussiin & intimidation. The insistence that Gothard women abstain from birth control will definitely seal the deal to produce & increase the number of his followers. With that written, I believe the more people produced & the fact that the ATI method is very poorly established, will create a plethora of idiotic & or moronic citizens within our Country. This is dangerous. Example; Josh Duggar & his future plan to run for office. This guy has tunnel vision, is ultra conservative. Josh wants to remove a woman's right to choose, eliminate public schools & force the Gothard agenda on to the people of America. The FRC of which Josh is employed is radical enough to begin promoting that he run for office & may initially fund his campaign. Josh is an excellent example of one who is uneducated & ignorant concerning important issues effecting the USA. Could Josh get elected? Well if he runs in Arkansas that's a possibility with the Fundie Gothard people who would drink the Kool Aid & never question. & they are numerous. My Dad always said beware of & never argue with ignorant people as its a never ending continuous cycle going no where.

Cedric said...

Sydnee, I believe once Derick completes his agenda with the Duggars to his satisfaction, he will cut & bolt. This controlled, limited freedom & fundie way of life will eventually bore the heck out if Derick. Derick is an intelligent person. It's difficult to live with people of limited frontal lobe capacity.

KatieP said...

If the Duggars believe we who post comments at this blog are unaware that they are embedded with the Gothard Cult then Jim Bob should purchase property in Fantasy Land. We definitely are aware of the Duggar loyalty to that creep Cult leader Gothard. We are a group of intelligent & logical people who will not be swayed by the absurdity of this moronic Cult. Duggars please grasp this concept. Duggars the deceased cult leader Jim Jones began his pseudo ministry under a similar guise as Gothard & as we all know, his followers too, drank the Kool Aid & sadly, we learned the horrific results. Duggars beware Gothard is not the person he pretends to convey to his followers.

Cedric said...

I am finding the research on Bill Gothsrd intriguing. This guy is a grad of Wheaton College in Illinois & earned a PhD from that school. Gothard write the 7 Basic Principles of Life & after reading the BPL, I concluded it was a bunch of double talk. As you know Gothard founded the ATI homeschooling & after reading about the ATI, I now realize why the Duggar kids are academically challenged. In Tyler, TX, Gothard founded the ALERT a militaristic Academy for boys to brainwash them. The Alert system is basically sadistic. Jim Bob once said the Alert Academy was similar to the Boy Scouts & it is not even close in comparison. Again, one of Jim Bob's idiotic remarks. The Gothard pseudo ministry disrespects every aspect of a woman/girls life. Gothard continually writes about the "Authority" of men over women/girls to the point of entrapment that women must be 100% subservient (doormat) to their husbands. Re birth control, well I won't go there it's too ridiculous. Gothard also wrote that slits in a woman's skirt or dress is a Sin. I am curious as to which passage this was retrieved from the Bible. Gothard refuses to interview with the media or any one who disagrees with his pseudo ministry. After reading several articles about Gothard & the fact that several executives resigned from his organization because they quickly learned where this ministry was headed & because of Gothard's inappropriate behavior with teen girls, it almost made me ill. Yet, the Duggars continue to blindly follow & teach their children this is the way to conduct ones life. It's mind boggling that Jim Bob & Michelle cannot comprehend the danger of this Gothard Cult.

Syndee said...

Pleased to Share, yeah I hear ya. I also agree it's dangerous. People talk about how, in ~50 yrs, how many new Bates and Duggars can be created. Those older kids will have great grandchildren by then and there will be thousands born just of those two families. It scares me to think of it. Get them all into politics and we should all be afraid.

Kimmie H said...

Perhaps the anti Christ will come from this hideous Gothard cult or one of the Fundie families? That is if one believes in the anti Christ?

Melissa said...

Syndee, I definitely agree that the Duggars are fully engrossed now in the Gothard/Quiverall party line (especially since it has made them rich from a reality show). However, based on interviews and reading their books, it seems like in that in between space of having Josh and the twins, they were more along the lines of just conservative Baptists. Then they spoke with their pastor who explained that the birth control may have contributed to the miscarriage of Caleb (which who knows? He may have been miscarried anyway). Then after the miscarriage, they also attended the conference that led them to go full fledged into Gothard's ways.. Also, in their first four years of marriage, they waited to have children (thank Goodness! It scares me to think of Marjorie and Si possibly getting married soon and Marjorie having a child still as a teenager). All that to say, I think once TLC started footing the bill, they were even more motivated to have as many kids as they could. Then it became, "My girls know when I am most fertile and are asking if I am pregnant this month!" Gag me.
I watched an episode last night on TLC (one with the flea market?) Michelle was rambling on about how YES she would still love MORE children as she is frying an egg at the stove and she is so busy talking to the camera man that she keeps moving around the same piece of scrambled egg on the side of the skillet (not even paying attention to what she is doing). I think this has been such a way of life for them and it has made them famous, that Michelle is having a very difficult time adjusting. She even admits in one of the talking head segments "that it will taking some getting used to this new season of life that I am entering"
I know I compare a lot to the Bates, but I think Kelly is so fully engrossed in the family that she has right now that she and Gil seem to be OK with not having more (even though I do think it is odd that Gil is a board member for Gothard- that is disappointing)

KatieP said...

Melissa, thanks for this history of the Duggars before they entered the cult of Gothard. It makes sense.

Girlsrule said...

How sad to live in a country that is Free yet the circumstances where you live isn't free but restrictive because of a scumbag cult leader who lives in Chicago. That's the reality of the Duggar kids & the stupidity of their parents.

Esther said...

I doubt the Duggar kids have ever heard of Jonestown Massacre to even know what "drinking the Kool-Aid" means and how dangerous it is to follow along blindly. It was 1978 so Jim Bob was 13.

Do you think that was in any history book the kids were taught from that might clue them in that they are going down the same road?


On another note....If Josh was born in 1988 and the twins Jana and John-David in 1990 wasn't "the-child-whose-gender-they-do- not-know-but-choose-to-call-Caleb" born between those years, which would be 1989. Michelle was 23. Hmmmm.....Whose idea was it to follow the Gothard teaching? I was impressionable at 23 and don't think the same way now as I did back then.

Jim Bob said she was a brand new Christian the day he met her. He prayed at the doorway: "Lord, I would love to be her spiritual leader. Can she be mine?" (He didn't know her but this was his prayer the day he met her??)

Girlsrule said...

Does anyone believe that Jana will meet a man & begin (unfortunately) courting? Will Jim Bob arrange an opportunity for Jana to meet a man develop a friendship & eventually court? Will Jana forever be a prisoner of the Duggar compound? Is there anyone who could intervene on Jana's behalf? Jana is obviously oppressed. I just want her to realize there is a better way & a better life for her. If Jana were to escape she may require several sessions of
deprogramming as do most people who exit a cult. What are your thoughts?

Esther said...

I saw a picture of Derick Dillard out shopping with Josh Duggar. Jill had dressed him in an ugly shirt that was way too big and cut his hair. The poor thing looked like a scarecrow. (I had hoped he'd put on some weight when he returned from Nepal. He does not look healthy....but I guess stress will do that to you.)

She is keeping other women from wanting him, just like her Dad makes sure no man would dare be interested in Michelle the way he insists her to dress.

Jessa has enough self-confidence that she wants her man to look great.

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