Free Discussion, April, 2015

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Dilly watcher said...

One, for some reason I am INCREDIBLY happy that Baby Dilly didn't arrive in March. Two, I'd be even happier if the little guy arrived today, April 1st! Three, I think because Jill has been anticipating this arrival and is going to have it filmed, her body is not as relaxed as her face appears in pictures and all the unknowns about the process is subconsciously stalling labor. Four, I REALLY hope he doesn't arrive on April 5th since that was her alternate due date she gave herself.

Pieces Of Me said...

In response to "Dilly watcher"... I just hope she doesn't give birth on Easter, or we will NEVER hear the end of it.

mommadog said...

I saw Derick and his mom taking turns holding Josie on their laps, during the ceremony. I think Cathy is going to be a wonderful grammy to her first g/child.

Boo's Mom said...

Why do I get the sinking feeling that Jill is going to end up at the hospital? Not wishing any ill toward her or the pup but I just can't shake the feeling the baby is breech or bigger than she can expects. Hmmm Regardless, hope she delivers soon, for her sake.

Evil Pants Wearin' College Educated Feminazi said...

Long time lurker, first time commenter.

I was one of those last year who was hoping Derick would come in and "rescue" Jill from JimBoob's patriarchal QF clutches by allowing her to get proper midwife training and education, and/or better yet taking her around the world to do missionary work.

I know most who were rooting for that outcome gave up hope when Jill got pregnant right away, I was disappointed myself. However I'm still clinging onto a little hope, thinking the immediate pregnancy could be in response to his mother's cancer and death sentence.

I know a number of well educated couples (one for example being my next door neighbor growing up in CO who met her husband at Emery Riddle where they both graduated and became commercial pilots) who got married relatively young (mid 20s/right out of undergrad) and even more surprisingly got pregnant right away because of a parent battling cancer who wasn't given much time to live. They wanted their parent to meet their grandchild (often their first like with derek's mother) and vice versa, to give their child the chance to meet their grandparent. Even if the child doesn't remember, pictures and videos provide lifelong memories. Hopefully this was Derrick's primary motivation, getting the Duggar in laws off his back a bit just being a bonus. Since he'll never come out and say, only time will tell. Hopefully the baby helps Jill mature and Derrick can move them further away from the Gothard cult influence be it not popping out baby after baby, Jill persuing more legitimate education, doing international missionary work, anything along these lines.

NotAuthorizedToDisclose... said...

Tonight's the night! She wants to wait till the 2nd so it's not an April Fools Baby!

MicheleM said...

Anyone know why Ben German kept saluting at the wedding? I noticed this several times and am curious???

Rosalie said...

Jill is HUGE, whoa.

Wednesday said...

Evil Pants

I just have to respectfully disagree with the view that Derrick is the knight in shining armor who is going to save Jill. He isn't there to save Jull, he is there because he believes what she believes. Maybe if this was a movie....but in real life Derrick is deeply buried in Gothard and the $$ it brings in. He may have an education, but that doesn't mean he is smart or mainstream.

funtally said...

Love your name, Evil! You know I don't think any of those kids have much of a chance of having a productive career. After all, neither of their parents have provided much of an example.

Dar said...

Michele M - I, too, saw Ben saluting. I am not completely sure if he did it correctly. Since none of these young men or women have any intention to serve in the military, I think it is a little insulting for him to do that. I am not picking on him, but I was a little shocked. I guess he is so immature and has a lot of growing up to to, but it is unfortunate that it has to be done on National television.

Something else that occurred to me. There was so much talk about how two girls have left the "girls" room. I have never seen the "boy's" room. Has it ever been shown? Just sort of free-range thinking...

Stephanie said...

He did salute twice and the reason ot looked wrong was simple. Both times he did it with his left hand.

Even when my daughter does a dance completion (yes like dance moms) if you salute left handed the judges will call you out on it. It a kind of a pet peeve. It didn't go unnoticed by me either.

Elizabeth said...

Ben looks like a stoner to me. In selfies his eyes have a glazed over look. I can not believe Jim Bob approves of this lazy teen for his daughter!

simba said...

I recall only seeing the boys room when they first built the house. Michelle explained then they all wanted to share a room and thats why they made them so large, but you have to wonder about the oldest kids now, does Janna really like sharing the room with the little girls? How many bedrooms does that huge house have? I also wonder if josie sleeps in a crib in her parents room as they dont seem to want her to grow up.

Mindi said...

Oh yes the boys room has been shown when they were having evening devotions there. Although strangely this morning in a repeat where poor Michelle was left home to care for the youngest 7 kids with only the full time help of Anna's sister Priscilla & Amy they were putting the kids to bed in the ;GIRLS ROOM. It said Jana's bed, Jessa bed, etc. I don't know why as there were many boys in the youngest 7. What I do remember from the boys room was that there were not enough beds for all the boys, some were sleeping on the floor & no sheets or blankets.

Ginger said...

Re: simba'a comment about if Josie sleeps in a crib. We have seen her run into the big girls room to go to bed after the evening devotions. I thought she was quite young when she started sleeping in the girls room as she does seem to have a problem with seizures. She appeared to sleep in one of those pack & play travel beds.

Leigh Ann said...

Exactly, Simba. They had fewer kids and the kids were younger. They never imagined they'd be 20, sharing a room with a three-year-old sister and how they would feel about it from the perspective of a young adult. I'm sure those rooms could partitioned. Of course they still have to share with someone, after all, they might be in their room doing something they shouldn't.

coleen said...

per "Pieces Of Me said...
In response to "Dilly watcher"... I just hope she doesn't give birth on Easter, or we will NEVER hear the end of it."

Pieces, I never thought of that! I think you may be right about an Easter Baby!

Wheez said...

Simba, I remember hearing that Josie and Jennifer(?) slept in I think it was Jill's bed with Jill. That was probably mentioned during the many discussions of Jill leaving

Bobbi said...

Simba, I've never for one moment believed the Duggar kids wanted to share a room. I believe JB & M Told the kids they would share a room. JB & M are not that kind or respectful of the older Duggar kids. Each week they prove this to be the case.

Bobbi said...

I've concluded as I am sure many of you may agree, the absurd Rukes JB & M have established for their kids is to prevent them from having sex before marriage. That's the hidden agenda. Early on JB proved he has a dirty mind. He never says exactly why these rules must work he just alludes to prevention of sex. Jana & John David are approaching age 26. If they meet that special person with whom they connect & plan to marry, why in this earth do they need to court? Why do they need a chaperone? At age 26 we are fully grown adults. I just want to shake JB & M & tell them Please Leave Your Adult Kids ALONE! Let them make their own decisions in life. JB & M please go away!!!

funtally said...

I remember seeing something about the reason that none of the kids had their own room was to keep them "accountable." Apparently they cannot be trusted to be alone, either!

sandi said...

Did Jill and Jessa take their beds with them when they married,anyone know? If not then there are 2 beds there with their names on them.Recall they are engraved at the top,at least for the older girls.
My son was born on Easter,'92,and we just alluded to the easter bunny bringing him.I supposed there will be no mention of evil easter bunny if that happens to Jill though.

No Longer Anonymous said...

Now that you mention it, I'm sure they would view an Easter birth as the second coming...my niece gave birth on Easter a few years ago and they cut apart a large plastic egg and carefully placed the new babe in the egg and captioned the birth announcement, "Look who hatched on Easter." We like many others are a Christian family but also enjoy the Easter bunny, Santa, Halloween, etc. How sad to think that the Duggar kids have probably never colored Easter eggs, participated in an Easter egg hunt, or compared who got what from the Easter bunny. I'd like to take all the younger kids from Jackson on down and give them an Easter basket full of chocolate eggs and Peeps.

Rosie Banks said...

My daughters birthday is easter. Its just a day. Considering it changes yearly.
Surely any importance should be Jesus. Not their child. Hmmmm.

19Kids That's it! said...

In this past weeks episode the little girls were all in the big girls room the night before the wedding & a couple of them were in a bed with Jill's name carved on the headboard. Regardless of who's bed it is, I think any of them sleep anywhere they want to. I thought the blogger that said her niece gave birth on Easter & they placed the baby in a large plastic egg with the caption "look who hatched on Easter," was really cute. Won't happen with the Duggars it will be the second coming.

Kerstin said...

I agree with Wednesday. Derrick apparently contacted Jim Bob to be his praying partner. He wouldn't have done that if he wouldn't have the same believe as the Duggars, would he? Besides, college education doesn't mean that you don't follow Gothard teachings (p.ex. Bates).
If someone "frees" one of the daughters, it's rather Ben. I feel like he went to the church because he was attracted to Jessa (even though he too is religious).

Judy said...

Since the Duggars don't really allow independent thought, I'm sure that if the kids said they all wanted to sleep together, it was because the Duggars taught them to think that way.

Willow said...

Regarding the several posts about the girls' room: All the babies move to the girls' room as soon as they are weaned. In the new house, I believe that was only Hannie on down, so don't know for sure about boy babies going to their room, but have to assume they did, although things could have been a little different in the older houses, just have to guess.

The little girls that didn't have "big" beds slept in a variety of "beds", mostly the pack n plays at first, or so it seemed. I think Josie went in there fairly young, but she may have stayed with Michelle a little longer due to her preemie status. Can't remember for sure.as Jana and Jill took care of her a lot right from the beginning - and probably did a better job than Michelle anyway. I have always felt so bad for the girls. They not only can't have a room, they can't even have a bed of their own. Jim Bob and Michelle just have to carry everything to extreme extreme-ness. It is so shameful, IMO. Sorry if this was too redundant.

Bobbi said...

True Ben. & Jessa are religious but they also appear to have a realistic view of their parents (especislly JB & M) & don't believe they will aspire to that way of life meaning 75k children.

Leigh Ann said...

Jessa definitely has a mind of her own.

Leecy said...

I think it is time that either the Duggers quit saying "Buy Used/Save the difference OR TLC needs to cut them saying it out of the footage. Why? Because they are hypocrites for saying it given the fact that they are multi-millionaires by now.

The bus they have is probably 200,00 at least, and airplane, unemployed newlyweds that honeymoon in France, etc....... It is ridiculous now.

Oh, and did anyone notice in the Jessa wedding footage (at the parking lot reception, that one of the little girls (maybe Josie) was running around barefoot? They only showed it for a few seconds but barefoot indeed.

Wampascat said...

If I remember correctly, the names on the beds are the peel and stick kind. I remember it from the special when the designer was decorating the girl's room. I remember seeing some of the letters had come off in one of the past episodes.

Wampascat said...

I've also noticed there are not enough beds for the boys, let alone bed linens or blankets. They have shown beds without any bedding at all, leading me to believe they have bed wetters? And I believe some of the kids stay up until all hours and fall asleep wherever they land. Duggar time, you know?

no1 said...

In my opinion, Jim Bob's favorite is absolutely Jill and Michelle's is without question Josh. Everyone else is just a number until you get to Josie. She's the "money child" (in addition to miracle and forever-baby).

no1 said...

I also always notice the lack of sheets on the beds and it makes me squirm. If kids are wetting as proposed by Wampascat, surely they have other sets of bed linens?!

Maybe that accounts for many of Grandma Mary's weekly laundry loads.

pretty girl said...

anyone notice where ben and jessa are going on the honeymoon to eroupe. pretty pricy for a couple who has no jobs. and just had a super large wedding. I would love to know the budget for that wedding. but tlc flip the bill for that one so free.

pretty girl said...

also I think Jessa is a rebel and we will see that she does not have any kids for a while. she will make money for the family by doing these speaking engaments.

simba said...

I have never seen bedding, just a blanket, does anyone remember when the girls would go to bed wearing the 1800's bonnets on their heads in the first special?

Bobbi said...

When Derick initially contacted Jim Bob to become prayer partners, previously in a past episode Derick said he was aware of the Duggar daughters. Perhaps Derick had a hidden agenda to be on TV? Also I don't know if Derick had seen one or more of the Duggar daughters until he became prayer partners with Dim Bulb. I still believe Jana would have been better for Derick.

LAMcp said...

I have said the same thing Bobby. I think Derick was actively looking to hook up with a duggar daughter. I think he is a good match with Jill, but I think he would have been open to any of the 4 oldest girls.

Heart in Florida said...

Jim Bob has a lot of nerve going on camera and saying how much the cost of renting tables and chairs are, and those kids went to Europe for their honeymoon,. YOu know quite well, neither of those two had the money themselves to go and I highly doubt that the Seewald could pay for a trip like that either. Either TLC paid for that trip or Jim Bob paid for it. IF it was filmed by TLC, we know TLC paid, so Jim Bob has no excuse for treating the wedding guests like dirt by not providing ANYTHING to eat (ice cream isn't "food") nor a place to even sit during that cheap parking lot "reception".

Jordyn Fan said...

I think Josie went into the girls room fairly soon after they got home from Little Rock, since she was deemed lactose intolerant & was on a bottle even in the hospital, Michelle wasn't nursing her. Michelle was just furious that all the milk she expressed & saved for Josie could not be used for her & was supposed to be used for other sickly babies at the hospital. This week in a repeat, Jill was shown minding Josie for the first time. As she was making up a bottle for Josie, she was measuring, & said out loud, "and "8 millimeters of breast milk." So Michelle did what she wanted to do as far as making sure Josie had breast milk. Although Josie is indeed the "Miracle Child," & very spoiled, I believe if Jubilee had survived, she would indeed be the "Miracle Child." Whatever baby is Michelle's last will always be: Special & Spoiled. It's almost as if Michelle never gave a thought to the fact that someday she would not be able to keep reproducing. After all, she has that wonderful(stud) husband Jim Bob & when he say's "Be Fruitful & Multiply," by God he means it! That's all any women would need to keep on getting pregnant. It's as if God himself is speaking when Jim Bob makes an announcement or gives an order.

celestrialangie said...

"Heart in Florida"

I believe TLC paid for it.
Since Jessa is 22 I think she got her money or told TLC this how I would like to be paid. The girl is smart. I think Josh and Ann when to a beach resort and I can't remember were Jill and Derick went. But Jessa is very smart and I believe she is learning how to get what she wants.

Kay said...

Since the Duggars/other such fundies believe sex is only for procreation, does that mean they abstain once they find out their wives are pregnant? Or is it only for procreation, *except* when the hubby wants to get frisky?

Elspeth said...

The Duggars don't believe sex is just for procreation. This is another falsehood put upon them. They do believe that sex is only for within marriage though.

Mandy said...

RE: Wampascat's comment about the names on the girls bed. I don't mean to disagree, I thought they were are carved into the wood but just saw a repeat & noticed that they are actually painted on in gold color paint. I do think your idea about the stick on ones makes more sense in the case of the Duggar girls as the little ones will probably now take over the older girls beds.
Also I noticed in the episode: All About Jessa, when they were playing the football game & the ladies were rooting for their favorite team that Ben's sister Danielle, was wearing jeans...& not a jean skirt.

Bobbi said...

Yes Jessa is a rebel & will do things her way. Good for her. I hope she's on birth control or is well versed in the rhythm method.

Bobbi said...

Suggestion.. When Michelle.& her Minnie Mouse voice are on screen, I just MUTE the sound until Michelle is off screen. Works for me. Because I cannot deal with this woman & her annoying voice & persona.

Kate said...

Just watched the wedding episode, good LAWD that is some aggressive piano playing! Was it Erin Bates? I couldn't see. It was actually painful to listen to, I can't imagine how loud it was being blasted over those speakers.

Kate said...

Another thing I noticed in the wedding special, Jinger is rocking some high wedges! And they are striped, which I wouldn't think Jessa would approve of.

I got the sense when Jinger was crying about Jessa leaving that she was really crying because Jessa isn't as mindless and is pretty sassy. I feel for Jana but she doesn't come across as very interesting and I think Joy has a lot of self esteem issues that are holding her back. Poor Jinge will be all alone in a circus house.

Kate said...

Last comment on the wedding, I swear. Did anyone else find it a little creepy how the brothers were watching BenGermaine and Jessa kiss? I mean, I guess it isn't as creepy when you think that they are mid puberty with hormones pumping so any kissing is fascinating, but they were watching a little too intently for my comfort.

Bobbi said...

Question was Josiah banned to the Alert Academy? Reminds me of the Twilight Zone when a little kid would send a person into the cornfield if they didn't think good thoughts or agree with him. I believe Joseph or Jihn David was once banned to the Alert Academy as well. Jim Bob I behaves as a wannabe dictator & he's a lousy hurtful Dad.

Lizbet said...

Finally watched the Jessa/Ben wedding. It was difficult. I had to keep pausing, go do something, come back.
First, Jessa looked lovely! I didn't get the groomsmen outfits, at all. But, whatever, tight?
What I found jarring, and sorry if it was brought up here, already, is the minister referring to Ben as 'BenjeRmin', and a few times to Jessa as 'JesseR'. I give Jessa, especially, tons of credit for never missing a beat over that.

hello said...

Josh and Anna had a house on the beach for their honeymoon. I believe Jill and Derrick also went to the beach. I believe when Jessa and Ben got engaged, Michelle said in an interview that they shouldn't go to the beach for their honeymoon since there could be girls in bathing suits t and could be a temptation for Ben. I have no doubt that TLC footed the bill for their honeymoon in Paris since they were there filming them.

wampascat said...

Wow,I agree that Erin sure knows how to beat the tar out of a piano!
Also,just a random thought,I wonder if Jim Bob ever started experiencing prostate problems,would they show him going to the doctor for help? Fair is fair,after all and he is entering that season of life. Hahaha.

Wheez said...

Funny how they adhere to certain fundie type rules and not others. Seems a lot of those folks wear long skirts and hair but also reject tight clothes, pierced ears, makeup etc. me chelle said once something like they wear makeup to accentuate what God gave them. Should be interesting when one of the kids accentuates what Godcgavevthem with a tattoo or other piercing or a long scruffy beard on one of the boys.

Wonder how they reconcile Rule #1 Be fruitful and multiply with effectively preventing Jana from possibly ever doing so.

Was that cousin Amy sitting behind Grandma duggar at Jessa's wedding, with hair in an up do and gray dress on?

Theresa said...

I've never been to a "duggar type" wedding as I live in NJ and weddings here are done differently. Is it normal in other circles to not provide seats to wedding guests? What about the elderly or people who need to sit for medical reasons? Excuse my ignorance, but are stand around receptions a norm as well?

Tomboy's Mom said...

Re: Wampascat's comment.No way is Jim Bob ever going to admit to any physical or any other type of problem, after all he's Jim Bob Duggar. Doesn't get any better than that...just ask Jim Bob Duggar.
RE: Kate's comments on Joy. Joy was always full of self confidence & loved the outdoors, climbing trees, all the things that are considered being a "tomboy," by some, especially Michelle. Michelle mentioned quite a number of times that as Joy was entering "womanhood," she needed to talk with her about being more ladylike giving up this business of trying o keep up with the boys. It was so sad to me. I have a daughter now grown & married that was a tomboy & I saw nothing wrong with that & never would with any girl. Michelle has now gone the same route with Hannie who was a lot like Joy. Hannie now sits there, almost trance'like as opposed to the lively outgoing girl who could take on Jackson anytime. It's a shame & Michelle should be a ashamed of herself.

Elspeth said...

Yes, in the Duggar social circle, standing around wedding receptions are rather normal. The event is the wedding NOT the reception. It's incidental. Chairs are provided around the edge or in the church social hall. TLC chose not to show that.

Annabelle said...

The ladies from the church told Jessa, Ben & Sierra that there was no way they could accommodate the guests in the church social hall . Just way too many people. The women who were in charge of booking the church & hall were just shocked when they were told how many guests the Duggars were expecting. I remember they also said the first of November would most likely be rather cold to have an outdoor reception. The Duggars did what they wanted & then there were complaints even from the bridesmaids about how cold they were even just having their pictures taken.

mom in texas said...

I have said the same thing Bobby. I think Derick was actively looking to hook up with a duggar daughter. I think he is a good match with Jill, but I think he would have been open to any of the 4 oldest girls.
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Agreed. I said this same thing the other night about Derick. I think he contacted Jim Bob with the intentions of getting his foot in the door. He didn't care which girl so long as it was a Duggar. Jana may have been off limits or not interested, even though she was closer to his age. Jessa was already with Ben and Jinger was too young and way too spunky for him. Jill would be the perfect, dutiful consolation prize. She would be too naive to notice if it was genuine love or not. Jill was ready to front hug so Derick said he'd take her!

Bobbi said...

Mom in Texas.. Te Derick wanting to hook up with a Duggar girl very true. When I watched Jessa & Ben together, I saw love & passion in their demeanor. With Jill & Derick it appeared to be somewhat rehearsed & insincere. I could be mistaken however this was the image both projected. They always appeared to be a bit ill at ease with one another. However currently with a child soon to be born, they've overcome the awkwardnes. Jill will soon be taking care of an infant. I hope finally, she grows up.

Emily said...

Jill directly states on the dillard family blog that she doesn't plan on practicing midwifery while she has little ones at home (check the about us section). I guess that answers the question as to whether or not she is still pursuing midwifery.

katieann said...

Bobbi, re: using the mute button during Michelle's talking head segments, I do the same thing! Her singsong baby talk and squeaky laugh are like nails on a chalkboard.

Catsandra said...

Did anyone else see the video Jessa posted on Instagram of Marcus dancing with headphones on? Have they changed their minds about dancing, or is Josh just allowing it with his family?

mom in texas said...

Did anyone else see the video Jessa posted on Instagram of Marcus dancing with headphones on? Have they changed their minds about dancing, or is Josh just allowing it with his family?
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Just by looking at the picture you can't tell what Marcus is listening to but I will say "buy used, saved the difference" is out. Those headphones are Beats by Dr. Dre and they are expensive. I can't imagine the Duggars even know who Dr. Dre is, lol.

Susie said...

I think it is past time for Dim Bulb to provide a proper bed with linens for each of his daughters and each of his sons. They should be taught to change into their "night clothes" and to sleep in their own beds. They should be taught to make up their beds each morning. I think renovating the bunk rooms into two seperate bedrooms each is also needed. The older boys and older girls (adults) need privacy from the little ones.

Luci said...

Did anyone see the news report saying that Josh and Anna owe 14,000 in back taxes to state and federal gov., you would think that big hate group job he has and the TV show would give him more then enough to pay!! Wonder how this will be spun in Duggarland?

cat said...

I read about Josh and Anna oweing over $14k in back taxes for 4 years. I wonder if they will even bring it up on the show, if its true.. If so, doesnt sound like they filed taxes, its a pretty serious thing

funtally said...

I have read somewhere online that Jana has had a couple of young men interested in courting her, but she declined because she is rather "picky." Good for her!

stupididiotshutup said...

If these rumors of Josh and Anna owing $14K in back taxes is true then WOW!

Beth Anne said...

Re: If these rumors of Josh and Anna owing $14K in back taxes is true then WOW!

Actually, it makes him a perfect fit to get into politics! I think most of our esteemed government officials have criminal pasts, owe tax money, have "missing" records, etc. He'll fit right in!

coleen said...

Here's the link to Toddler Marcus rockin' out! I'm glad he's allowed to dance!

Tina in Baltimore said...

Hi, all. Been lurking for a bit & had a thought I wanted to throw out there. There has been mention several times of Ben & Jessa adopting. Could it be possible Jessa has been diagnosed with health issues that affect fertility & it's being kept quiet ?

Mary said...

Hi

I noticed in boys room all the beds had plastic sheets on them. hardle any sheets or blankets. So it does appear the boys wet the bed. They need to be seen by a doctor Mary

Bobbi said...

Sometimes when I watched the Duggars, I thought this program reminds me of the film Pleasantville. It was unrealistic until it became realistic. Originally the message of the Duggars was to share the experience of living in a large family. However with each episode their was always a hidden meaning about their religious beliefs & if we the viewing public didn't believe as the Duggars or JB we were wrong or a heretic. Often when JB would tout his message about religion as a Catholic, I was offended. Throughout these many years since 19 Kids aired many changes have occurred particularly in the manner in which the Duggars dress, the jurisdictions which are gone, the ignoring of little children by Michelle, the abuse of Jana by her parents, the obvious favoritism of JB with Jill, the obvious favoritism of Josh from Michelle. The many trips overseas that I don't believe would have been possible without the funding of TLC. The charade of missions specifically to El Sakvador to separate the horrible Catholics & frighten these people into the hideous Gothard cult. 19 Kids is no longer about "buy used & save the difference" if in fact it ever was. The program has become hypocritical & nonsensical. Each Duggar is now of the opinion they've become "pseudo royalty" & that's not Reality. This program will not continue forever. I wonder what will happen to the younger Duggar children when TLC pulls the plug? Since JB & M believe or rather discourage college education or for that matter, a trade school, I fear for the Duggar kids just trapped in an unrealistic Gothard cult. Perhaps one day the law or a social entity will intervene.

sandi said...

IMO I think Jim Bob has taught the Duggar girls well in milking their lives for all they're worth.I suspect Jessa did not get pregnant quickly on purpose,as she knows Jill's birth would take away from any attention her pregnancy would get.So I do think the ladies are going to stagger their births,so they can milk them for all they're worth.Once Baby Dilly's birth dies down,I expect we might be hearing from Jessa on pregnancy.JMO

Bobbi said...

OMG Really hope Jessa the true rebel she appears to be will wait for a long time before starting a family. I am sure JB & M may apply guilt, pressure or both on Jessa to quickly start a family but I believe she is in control of herself & could shrug off any pressure the crazy nutcase parents may inflict. Also Ben is a bit immature to become a Dad he doesn't have a real job other than the handy man to JB's demands. I just hope Jessa & Ben wait to have a family & hope Jessa is on birth control.

Annabelle said...

Jim Bob's grammar has always driven me crazy. He so often will say me & Michelle instead of Michelle & I. But today in a repeat he was taking the kids to clean out the Stony Brook house as well as some commercial real estate property he had. On two different occasions he said, it was going to be the "funnest" day of the kids lives. Jim Bob there is no such word as funnest!

cat said...

I am also watching the cleaning of the Stony Brook house episode, look at the kids faces as he tells them about the 'fun' projects they get to do. The tenant of the place said it best, Free Labor!!! Do the girls really enjoy it Jimbob or do they have to enjoy it??

KK said...

I don't know what to make of Jessa not being pregnant yet. It just depends. I would argue that they are probably having "plenty of practice" but perhaps it just hasn't happened yet. Perhaps she read up on charting and the rhythm method and is going that route. Anna Duggar took what 3 months to get pregnant and it was a BIG deal to her. Maybe Jessa is more mature then we thought to "go with the flow" in this regard.

Allison said...

Maybe Jessa is more mature then we thought to "go with the flow" in this regard.

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The thing is, we'll never know. The Duggar kids aren't allowed to share an opinion other than the "party line." If she's not getting pregnant, the only thing she's allowed to feel is upset. I don't think she would ever admit that she is relieved to anyone aside from maybe Ben and Jinger. And that's a big maybe.

sunny side up said...

Not everyone who doesn't use birth control gets pregnant right away. My husband and I didn't try to purposely get pregnant, and we didn't try not to. It was about six month before we did. Not unusual. Maybe they are really leaving it up to God and not charting to conceive or not conceive.

Amanda said...

Does anyone know if Anna Duggar takes Pure Barre classes? I took one when I was in the DC area visiting a friend and I'm now on their mailing list. There was a huge push in March for all Pure Barre members to take 20 classes in 31 days and today they emailed out the list of who accomplished it. The name "Anna Duggar" was on the list.

Bobbi said...

Sharla or someone please answer this question... Why piano vs organ music at Duggar weddings? Most churches have an organ? For a wedding, organ music is more refined, classy & dignified. Curious. Thanks.

Bobbi said...

I say Bravo to Jessa not immediately becoming pregnant good for her. I hope Ben & she wait a long time.

Mary said...

Ok next baby will be call India
then Ireland, Iceland,Iran, italy,indonesia,iraq,then when she runs out of countries she can go with US states, then cities


Mary

WisdomWoman said...

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I believe that when spouses, male or female, agree to marry a Duggar, they agree to Jim Bob and Michelle's extremest views. None of the in-law families have the huge number of children. I think that once they have proven that they will continue the baby making traditions, they can move away from the "Host" free to live and breed. I think moving the girls and their new husbands near to the main house is strategic. How else can you explain allowing a man to marry your daughter who does not have a job? What are Ben's skills? Why wasn't this a concern? It is almost as if Ben's parents turned Ben in to Jim Bob for him to mold. I wish that they would trust that after they have raised their children, they will do the right thing instead of controlling them well into adulthood and "grooming" their daughter's husbands.

Tater Tot said...

I have to say, I really don't care to watch the upcoming 1-hour How Duggars Do Weddings special. Sorry. Wedding-ed out here.

To Mary on the "I" country names - ha ha ha!

I was thinking to myself, "I don't think they're going to do the Duggar first initial thing."

Can't wait to see Benessa in Europe/Paris. Hope they don't look like stoopid Americans... :)

sandi said...

Jordan is next to Israel,so I predict that for the next baby.Or maybe Judah or Samaria.
Let's just hope they don't go for Gaza Strip!
City names,I think they would go for Bethlehem or Nazareth.

Sadie said...

Oh, come on, TLC. Really - having JB & Michelle stage another wedding? We turned into the show originally for real life scenarios, not non-stop weddings! Maybe they'll follow with a "honeymoon" baby for Michelle?

funtally said...

Why didn't they get braces for John David? His teeth are so crooked, they're a mess! I know at least 2 of the girls had braces.
And poor Josiah. He will be bald at 25!

Mindi said...

Wisdom Woman you are right about Ben being handed over to Jim Bob to be molded. The strange part is we all got to see Jim Bob quiz Derrick about, "how will you support my daughter what will you do if your car breaks down, will you go into debt?" Derick was a college graduate with a full-time job & yet Jim Bob was un-merciful in his questioning about finances etc.

Ginger said...

RE: Bobbie's question about why they are having the piano played instead of a organ. I have noticed that most churches I've been to for any type of service they have played the piano..no more organ, although these churches have very expensive & beautiful organs. At my own church ours in never used & it was brought over here from England at a very hefty price. I have not been able to find out why it's not used just the piano. Was thinking it might be that is what the young people want. I hate it when the piano is used at funerals. Guess I'm just used to the "old order."

Honey said...

It looked like the churches that Jill and Jessa were married in were property new or at least updated. They probably didns't have an organ at the church. I imagine some denominations or older churches have organs but I don't think they are very common in newer buildings.

It looks like Jill and Derek aren't necessarily going to use I names since they had chosen Selah for a girl.

Skeptical viewer said...

Ok, I know baby Dilly is beginning to be old news, but why the secrecy on how Jill ended up in the hospital? Derrick very opening believed that Jill was in labor on Saturday and told the news, so why not with the real deal? Some may think it is not my business and I say they made it everyone's business by telling the media in her first trimester that they were planning a homebirth. They made a BIG deal about all of Jill's midwifery training for the past 7 + months andI have kept everyone up to date very regularly her entire pregnancy. So why the tight lips now? Is Jill or her family ashamed of the outcome? Or (more realistically) are they trying to decide on an angle to spin the story? Was her hospitalization a result of her being too overdue? Low amniotic fluid? The baby's heartrate not consistent? All of those are fairly common and not too big a worry if caught on time and action taken. Or do none of those sound dramatic enough for TV and they have to corroborate their stories? I know that is a pill to swallow, but if it had been a normal homebirth I believe we would know by now the length of Jill's labor and the amazing effort she and her husband put into this child's delivery. But as of my typing this, not a word about his arrival except that he's here and it was in a hospital.

Sharon said...

I read that Jill went into labor Sunday night so there must have been problem that occurred that resulted in a hospital transfer. For her sake I'm glad she went into labor on her own if the report is true.

Sharon said...

My guess for no organ at the wedding is that there was no volunteer organist. Organists are expensive and becoming less and less common. Newer churches don't bother installing organs because it's too hard to get a permanent organist.

Just my thoughts said...

Anna posted a picture of herself and Grandma Duggar-they had the same colors on-they are standing in a kitchen. I think it may be the house Josh is rumored to have bought. It's not the Duggar kitchen. It is small but does not
look like their old place and now Jessa and Ben's place, no granite counter tops. There also appears to be a dining room behind the kitchen.

Bobbi said...

Mindi. True that Dereck is gainfully employed. When JB questioned him as to how he would support Jill I thought you idiot needing attention yet again. JB couldn't get into college or probably spell the word college or university.

funtally said...

Yes, Sharon is correct. It is much easier to find a pianist than an organist.

Bobbi said...

In one of the earlier posts, I read that Josh is in law school. I fell off my sofa laughing. How does someone with only a GED get into law school? My niece is a young attorney in DC & first she earned a 4 year Bachelor's degree, took the LSAT law school aptitude test, scored high, applied to 3 law schools got into the one she was hoping to be admitted, completed the 3 years & graduated with honors. Seriously Josh Duggar in law school? Perhaps Josh did homeschooling for college? Hey Josh First it's 4 years of college then apply to law schools. Duh!

Sharla said...

Elspeth, please select another user name. We already have an Elspeth.

Beth Anne said...

RE: but why the secrecy on how Jill ended up in the hospital?

I posted on another thread about this same topic, and I think it comes down to, "JimBob sold his soul and family out to TLC and People magazine and his obedient children are now obligated to not talk or take any actions that are not pre-approved or contracted for."

Basically, Jill is being a good girl and saving the story for the T.V. "birth special" so that her selfish dad can ensure the viewer numbers go up, the money keeps rolling in, and he can continue to brag that he has the number one reality show on T.V.

Wheez said...

I had the closed captioning on and when they said if it was a girl she would've been named.... the word that came across my screen was "ISAELA." Female form of Israel, maybe? Or a misspelling? Just curious.

mom in texas said...

Just My Thoughts said:
Anna posted a picture of herself and Grandma Duggar-they had the same colors on-they are standing in a kitchen. I think it may be the house Josh is rumored to have bought.
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It is Jim Bob and Michelle's home they are in. Look at the back splash(I guess you'd call it that), it's the same one in their home. Look a few weeks back at the picture of Anna and Jill with their baby bumps. It's a different angle but you can see it's the same kitchen. Anna has been back in Arkansas a lot. Is there some truth to she and Josh having moved back there?

Bobbi said...

So many posts about Michelle. Definitely agree Michelle looking far older than her years. Michelle appears to be shrinking. All those pregnancies tough on a woman's bones. Michelle should consider going to her Doctor to receive a bone density test. My guess she may already have osteoporosis. The lines in Michelle's face are becoming more prominent. Then at Jessa's wedding, JB the idiot as we know makes this stupid comment that Michelle & Jessa look lle sisters. They look nothing alike. JB insulting Jessa on her wedding day. Dim Bulb is pathetic.

mom in texas said...

Ok, kind of answered my own question. They were there for the Easter holiday. But I am curious to know if Josh and Anna are moving back before M4's birth.

funtally said...

That's hysterical! You're correct, we have lawyers in the family and even getting ACCEPTED into law school is an arduous process! A home schooled law student with a GED and no college? Not happening!

funtally said...

I'm watching an old episode that I haven't seen where they go to Niagara Falls. Several things: Jinger discussing the plastic bins with the packed clothes, including one that contained pajamas; the kids went swimming in a neighbor's pool and their swimsuits were shorts, but they all wore floating or life vests. Apparently none of the kids are strong swimmers, if they can swim at all!

InVA said...

Jana went to Mexico with the Bates! Free Jana! :-)

http://thebatesfamily.com/mexico/

Linda said...

Wheez
Most likely the stenographer responsible for typing the captions misheard the name Selah and typed in Isaela by mistake. Derrick gave the definition for the name Selah as "pause and reflect" which is a possible definition given for the word Selah used in the Bible.

InVA said...

Sadly JimBob, Michelle and Josie were also in Mexico. Jana remains in captivity. :-(

Wheez said...

Linda, thank you for the clarification on the would-be girl name.

Carrie M. said...

Sadly JimBob, Michelle and Josie were also in Mexico. Jana remains in captivity. :-(
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MOTY Michelle couldn't bear being away from precious baby Josie (age 5) so Jana tagged along for babysitting when JB & M got bored of her and instead they enjoyed vacationing in Mexico. But Jana is SO very happy about all the family togetherness 24/7/365. You can tell by the sweet smile. The "Mona Lisa" also smiles, but is she happy? Nobody really knows.

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

About the comment about Michelle looking old. I agree that she needs to be aware of bone density problems - our bodies aren't made to handle 20+ pregnancies! As far as wrinkles - well she is closing in on 50. Probably not a big sunscreen user. Probably those pregnancies are prematurely aging her though. Not the stress of RAISING 19 kids though, since that isn't happening!

Tizzy said...

I wonder if one of the girls got an embroidery machine and made the headband and onesie. Maybe it was on one of their registries -- a gift for Jana so she could spend more time working for the rest of the family.

Beth said...

I actually just posted this in the Baby Dilly thread as that's where I was when I thought of it, but it's really more a general discussion thing so...

I know people have commented in this blog previously how they think Derick purposely sought out JB to be 'prayer partners' to get hooked up with one of the girls, I really do think there is something to this, this also means that he fully agreed with their philosophy or JB wouldn't have agreed to introduce them, one of the reasons that i really believe this just came out the other day with the birth of 'Dilly', one of the videos/articles i saw was of Derick explaining where they came up with the name Israel, he said he knew Jill had taken a trip there a few years ago and had really enjoyed it and that when he was on his way back from Nepal he stopped in Israel to buy her engagement ring

so.... JB introduced them over email and they talked for a few week online while he was in Nepal, Jill just fell head over heels for him (what do you expect when you're not ever allowed to have a school girl crush & learn all the lessons that come from that), she runs off to Nepal to see him, spends a few days to a week and by the last day he asks to court her, he was only in Nepal about another month before he came home, so he already knew then he was going to propose & bought the ring on the way back?? i mean he had only physically known her a few days!! i mean we all knew it went fast but i was still under the impression that they spent like 2 months together back home before they got engaged, the timeline of this all to me just further supports that this was Derick's intention from the beginning when he emailed JB

so all these people who had hope that Derick would 'save' Jill... i don't think any evidence supports that he's any different than JB, i mean he's even starting to act like him! (that episode w/the birthing class was horrible, his trying to be funny, each one of those so could have been something JB would have said in the same situation, always inappropriate timing and never really funny)

Beth said...

to InVA re: Bates trip to Mexico

if you notice in the one picture Josie is there w/Jana, so it seems the only way Jana was allowed out of the house is if she took Josie with her since her mother couldn't seem to care for her??? so not surprising but unfortunately not the getaway for Jana that you were probably thinking

Beth said...

Oops InVA, after posting about Josie I read further down and saw you posted again after you noticed as well :)

Beth said...

Carrie - lol i loved your comparison of Jana's smiles to the Mona Lisa, so spot on!

Erin said...

Jim bob did say Jessa and Michelle looked like sisters. I haven't gone back and re-watched it to confirm this but didn't he stick his foot in his mouth by telling Jessa that SHE was the most beautiful bride? He'd almost have to say something like that so his wife didn't feel bad. Who knows if he said it before or after his faux pas as TLC always rearranges sequence of events.

Special Ed Lady said...

Kind of surprised Jim Bob and Michelle would leave the country so close to Jill's due date.

Syndee said...

Geez, Mom, you do not look like Jessa, let your daughter have her day. Do you always have to be the star, can't you let your daughters outshine you now that they are young and beautiful.

Maybe it was JB who was scared Michelle would feel left out or be jealous, so he headed that off by complimenting her.

Sadie said...

Regarding JB's comments about Jessa being THE most beautiful bride. Any parent with more than one child learns early on that one has to be very careful singling out any one child as THE best or most anything. Once said, all other siblings are second place at best. With so many children, one would think he'd be very practiced at avoiding those types of adjectives.

Bobbi said...

I believe Dim Bulb may have expressed the same sentiment to Jill. Although, I could be incorrect. Dim Bulb is always complimenting Michelle but I believe his compliments to Michelle are insincere & false. There's absolutely nothing sincere, respectful or honest about Jim Bob

Erin said...

We think some of the Duggars must be reading the comments here. Some things people have commented on they seemed to have taken to heart, such as the rude way that Jill would cut DerickDillard off when he was talking and she'd yammer away. I wish now she wouldn't sit there looking at him with her mouth hanging open (slack jawed), just waiting to jump in to add something so she gets the last word.

Bobbi said...

Most educated & or intelligent parents ensure the day of their daughters wedding is just all about the daughter. My parents had three daughters. When my sisters & I married our parents made sure each wedding was about the daughter at that time getting married & made sure our weddings were special with the focus on the bride & groom.

Bobbi said...

On purpose, I chose to boycott purchasing the "growing up Duggar" book authored by the older Duggar daughters. I did so when I saw the girls on TV promoting their book stating it focused on relationships & dating. I almost fell yet again, off my sofa. First of all how can these girls write a book about relationships & dating when they hadn 't dated & were not in a courtship? Mind boggling. I bet old greedy JB took the profits from the book. I 'll bet he insisted on it saying it was a revelation from Giod that he secure the profits. He's that much of a jerk.

Bobbi said...

If Michelle were secure in her own mind she wouldn't be jealous of one of her daughters on their wedding day. But Michelle is high maintenance & requires a plethora of attention.

London bridges said...

In the perfect Duggar world they would be able to get back to be at the birth. Who else would be able to orchestrate the birth? They probably didn't give two thoughts about going away so close to the due date(s). JMHO.

sunny side up said...

Beth, actually, Derick was in Nepal for three months after Jill visited, and then home for three months before he proposed. So, that's a total of six months, not including the time they Skyped before she went. I know it was all very unusual, and I can't say I'm a fan of the completely chaperoned courtships and engagements. Seems like they need some privacy to develop a real relationship and learn eachother's true thoughts, dreams, and personality. Anyway, they are married, and I pray that they work through any issues that may asrise as a result of their short, overly supervised courtship and engagement.

Sadie said...

The Duggars may or may not be reading all the social media blogs about them. TLC for sure is, so they know how to edit differently to sell more shows. TLC ultimately controls how we see & perceive the Duggars.

Stella said...

Just saw the commercial for the Duggar special tonight on TLC. The commercial noted that the family has a special announcement. Wonder what that could be..... Anyone have any ideas?

Carol said...

Just read that Derrick is getting braces put on. I think he had them before. All he and his brother really need though is a decent haircut. Honestly his brother looks Amish with that semi bowl cut and Derick needs to hide Jill's scissors.

Pam said...

I aggree, Bobbi. I found it laughable that these girls were supposedly writing about relationships when none of them had even been in one. They don't know a thing about being in a relationship. The only experience they have had was controlled with no privacy.

NC citizen said...

As a organist myself (educated and trained), I take issue with that we are "expensive." Some churches in my area try to pay someone what I received 25 years ago when I started college. It was ridiculous then and super ridiculous now. The reason behind the lack of organs, organist, and quality music is the contemporary worship movement of the past 20 years. As worship services became more performance focused, quality music led and played was thrown to the wayside. Some churches are trying to turn back after years of declining attendance and giving much less the decline of biblical teaching.

NC citizen said...

Remember when Anna and Michelle were pregnant at the same time. Anna announced first and then Michelle. Felt like she stole Anna's deserved limelight. I personally think Michelle has some serious issues. You continue to try to get pregnant given what happened the past two times? It's time to stop

Kay said...

I saw a photo Anna posted on Instagram on easter. She's due in July, so she's about six months along. Am I just used to Jill being so large, or is Anna very small? I've never been pregnant myself, so I'm genuinely unsure.

coleen said...

per "Stella said...
Just saw the commercial for the Duggar special tonight on TLC. The commercial noted that the family has a special announcement. Wonder what that could be..... Anyone have any ideas?

4/10/2015 8:17 AM"

I think Jessa is pregnant, she hasn't posted any selfies in a while.

stupididiotshutup said...

The second ultra sound lady at Jill's appointment looks mighty familiar. Was she the same one who was there during the Jubilee ultra sound? Or am I straight up trippin'?!

Bobbi said...

Stella, tonight's. 4/10 episode was a repeat of Tues 4/07 episode. Thought I would tune in. Then, I quickly changed channels. Here's a suggestion... Jim Bob & Michelle should change their mission statement too...
IN GOTHARD WE TRUST. This would be more honest a concept new to JB & M.

Bobbi said...

Pam, very true. The Older Duggar girls lives always controlled never privacy. I believe these rules extend into Jill & Jessa's marriages as well. Because we know Jim Bob sticks his nose (with the exception of Josh) into every Duggar daughters business.

Erin said...

Jill said they had a ghost writer in Georgia for their books. I wonder how much a ghost writer does for them. I cannot imagine Jill could write a book on her own without LOTS of help.

Erin said...

The baby looks a lot like his grandpa Jim Bob. I'd like to see a baby picture of Jim Bob next to the baby.

An older gentleman in our city Was named Israel. Everyone always called him Izzy. He had that on his business cards.

Helen Crump said...

Since the extent of Jill's vocabulary consists of words such as "like", "totally", and "surreal", I'm quite sure the ghost writer did 99% of the book FOR them. They merely explained what their lifestyle beliefs were most likely in one interview and the professional writer took it from there....so obvious to me.

pretty girl said...

anyone know what this big announcment will be on tuesday night will be. hope it is not jessa going to have a kid. she is the one i hope would rebel. notice also joisah is back with the family.

Syndee said...

"I cannot imagine Jill could write a book on her own without LOTS of help."

Maybe because she, like, never read a book?...

Londonbridges said...

Was there another big announcement? I may have slept through it. Just curious.

Erin said...

I am assuming that Jim Bob and Michelle also have a ghost writer. Otherwise the book would be full of Michelle and me.....
And Michelle and I used in the wrong places

Does the REAL author of their books ever
get any credit or will Jim bob always take credit and unearned praise? The title of author is another untruth, just like "concert pianist".

Erin said...

Googled to see what their BIG announcement was that hooked people in to watching the other night. I didn't see anything. Hmmmm..... false advertising?
Saw Jessa and Ben are taking a trip and on Jessa's instagram she posted a recipe for scones that someone gave her. She said Jana came over and and made them.

Elspeth said...

The announcement is for this coming Tuesday - April 13.

Disgusted said...

I'd like to know just how Josh & Anna got away with not paying their taxes. All of us poor working people have to pay ours & with no delays, or else we would pay more in interest. Did he learn any special tricks from his dad?. I wouldn't doubt that for a moment. Josh & Anna are living a wonderful life, they have a nice home to live in (even if it's a rental) a lot better that the 3rd floor apartment my hubby & I started out with. They are always hopping on a plane to go back to AR or to support a political candidate. Beautiful cars, etc. I don't really care about what he does for a living, but if they care so much about this country, as they are always spouting about at various rallies, I think they own the government their fair share of taxes just the way the rest of us do.

pretty girl said...

re london bridges the big annoucment is suppose to be made this coming tuesday.

Elspeth said...

Josh and Anna didn't get away without paying their taxes. The notices show that they will have to either pay or prove that they don't owe the taxes or negotiate.

Annabelle said...

We don't know if they will get away without paying the full amount owed.If they negotiate, it means they will end up paying only half of what they owe. I work in the tax field & that's the way it goes. The government always feels something is better than nothing. So I'm sue that's what they'll do. The real question here is why haven't they paid their taxes for so many years? A young couple with children who have jobs or at least one has a job is going to have to pay taxes. Wouldn't we all like to get away without paying our taxes? I know I would but my goverment say's "no way pay up." What an example they are setting.

Missy said...

When it comes to whether Josh & Anna actually pay their back taxes, it will depend on if they have a good lawyer to get them out of this mess or if they negotiate they will then probably pay only half what they owe. Either way it's a disgrace.

Erin said...

On the arcountydata.com which would be county taxes it shows Josh is delinquent under Great Americar Trading Co (Duggar Automotive) for several years. Are those taxes the ones you are referring to? Didn't he marri in 2006, the first year it shows they were delinquent?

midwest mom said...

I wonder if Jill and Derrick have considered the downside of their prominence on reality TV, People magazine, and social media: namely, "stars" like them can attract unwanted attention from kooks. If I were Derrick, I'd be nervous about leaving Jill alone all day in that big house that anyone could find if they want to badly enough. Sure, she'll probably have one of her sisters there helping her, but an extra young woman doesn't offer much protection. I hope the couple has considered this and taken appropriate measures--a home security system, a big dog (maybe Bubba is available!), whatever.

Alberta Rose said...

I just checked CollegePlus's website. Josh could have very easily been taking the necessary courses to become a lawyer.

Heart in Florida said...

Since Crown College in Unaccredited, how is it that Josh can "become a lawyer" from that school? Do they have a law school? Not so easily done, my friend. One needs to take entrance exame to get in college, 4 years, then get INTO an accredited law school, exams, etc. upon acceptance, then 3 years of law school, exams to graduate from there, and THEN, the State Bar Exam..where is he really in this pursuit with a homeschooled education? Does he have a GED?

Disgusted said...

Josh will always be a lawyer in his own mind. I don't really care about College Plus, or Crown College neither is accredited. It's amazing to me that when people want to find something such, as necessary courses to become a lawyer, how educated & skilled Jill is as a midwife they are always able to find what they want the answer to be.

Bobbi said...

Heart In FL, yes Josh has a GED as does Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger & I believe John David & some of the other older boys. A High School diploma vs a GED? A 4 Year High School diploma trumps a GED every time.

Bobbi said...

Alberta Rose, CollegePlus is a joke. Credits from
CP will not transfer into an accredited college. CP is expensive & the mission of CP is to separate one from their finances.

sunny side up said...

Heart in Florida-Ugh. If you don't think the Duggar children are well educated, that's one thing, but PLEASE don't put down all homeschooling. There are homeschooled children who have become doctors, lawyers, National Merit scholars, etc. Not all homeschooling is "unschooling".

Bobbi said...

sunny Side Up, I agree with Heart In FL, I am not a fan of homeschooling. Fact the only example of homeschooling from which I can draw is that of the Duggars & I am not impressed. I don't believe Josh Duggar was admitted into law school because I don't believe he took the LSAT the Law School Aptitude Test a Requirement of every law school to gain admittance. There are authorized & credible & practicing attorneys in my family. I definitely know the procedure... High School diploma, four year college degree, take the LSAT,score high, apply to several law schools, gain admittance into a law school, graduate law school, take the Law Bar Exam, become hired by a law office. Josh Duggar will not be given a pass to disregard 4 years of college, NOT take the LSAT NOT take the Bar Exam walk into a law office & expect to be hired. FYI: the Bar Exam is required in every state. For example if an attorney has passed the Bar in Arkansas then moves to California, then that attorney must pass the Bar in California. There is NO Universal Bar Exam ithat covers all of the 50 States.

sandi said...

I think I recall one of the girls (Jinger?) has a HS diploma,which must have come from an online or correspondence course.That can be done nowadays,and IMO,sounds a lot better than just a GED.

Kay said...

Can someone either explain, or point me in the direction of an explanation, why the Duggars/other evangelicals hate Catholics? I was raised catholic (now an atheist). Of course I was taught about the Protestant reformation, but I've never noticed any real modern issues with other denominations, especially nothing like the intolerance the evangelicals show Catholics. Are they like this with other Christian religions as well?

Bobbi said...

Kay, your point is excellent. I am a former Baptist (a cult) now a Catholic. Yes the Duggars believe they are the chosen & the rest of us are going to blazes. This sick belief is born out of the horrid Bill Gothard cult who disrespects women believing women are below a man & that women without question should always be subservient to a man always please & mert a mans every need, women should out themselves last. Women should never use birth control. The Gothard Cult is comparable to the FLDS The Cult Warren Jeffs who is now in prison for life for sexual assault with little girls. & teenagers. Jim Bob Duggar & Michelle do not have both oars in the water. The Duggars believe via their TV show will encourage people to follow their religious beliefs JB & M refer to their TV program as a "ministry" & it isn't. Their kids are not allowed to take a breath without the permission ofvJB & M. It's all a bunch of BS, the homeschooling, the BOGUS kids in law school, certified midwife, a photographer, graphic artist, floriist wannabe's it's just a pathetic ruse that the some people who believe this junk are minus a functioning frontal lobe. The majority of the people that post at this blog really get the Duggars facade & post comments often referencing TLC to begin making realistic changes to the Duggar TV program or cancel it altogether.

HistorianMom said...

I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state parents can submit a transcript and a portfolio of the student work and the school district will evaluate it and issue a diploma if warranted.

Baby Mama said...

Alyssa Bates had her baby yesterday without all the royal hoopla of Baby Dilly's babywatch. No photos yet.

lizzy10 said...

I'm going to rant, be forwarned. The children (kiddos) deserve no blame, not the youngest or the oldest. Children live what they learn and if blanket training is true, they have learned not to question their parents authority. Insulated from the real world, they have learned "daddy" knows best. If you are told daily that the sky is red, you have learned it's red. I no more blame Josh or Jill for their actions then I do Hannie or Jennifer. They are the sum of their parents indoctrination, to be pitied, not belittled. It seems if you try to "run" you get sent to Alert camp to be re-indoctrinated. Try and imagine that. The parents deserve all the scorn I've read here; the kids from Josh to Josie should have nothing but our prayers for freedom.

Disgusted said...

The Duggars would be crowing from the highest post if Josh was ever admitted to law school. He is not in any type of law school online or anything else anyone dreams up.

Elspeth said...

John's father posted a pic of him holding the baby.

Wednesday said...

OK, so Josh can bypass the LSAT requirement of a real law school and go to Crown College or College Plus. This would not make him a lawyer though. He would still have to sit for the Bar Exam in order to become a lawyer. In order to sit for the Bar in Arkansas he would have to have a degree from an American Bar Association Accredited law school.

Wednesday said...

For Washington DC Josh would not need to go to an accredited school to sit for the Bar Exam. He can also be admitted to the DC Bar without examination by Special Motion or as a Special Legal Consultant.

Scary low standards when just about the rest of the country mandates JD Degrees from accredited law schools.

Erin said...

Reading the new Dillard family website on the "about" page I was surprised as I realized that Jim Bob had Jill talk Briefly to derekDillard in March 2013 and then in August Jim Bob gave DerekDillard her number. A little over 2 months later hewhat her on a plane taking her to Nepal to meet DerekDillard. As they were leaving he asked to begin courting her. Two months later he bought her a ring, while on his way back to the US. He got back in January and proposed in Feb.

So he met her in Nov, asked of they could court but didn't see her again until Jan and already had a ring before he saw her for the second time....and proposed the next month.

Elspeth said...

College Plus isn't a college and doesn't grant degrees. It's a glorified testing assistance program.

Wednesday said...

Is it me or does it seem that Jessa goes through great lengths to say things like "where is my man", "I love my man", "me and my man"....Almost like she is trying to drill in our heads that he is a man and not the little unemployed teenager many perceive him to be.

Carol S. said...

According to the fan page on Facebook, he Bateses had a baby shower for Erin. She looks so radiant and stylish in her maternity clothes -- unlike Jill. After going through a miscarriage myself, I am so happy she & Chad are nearing the end of their pregnancy journey.

Bobbi said...

Wow Wednesday this is scary that Josh could become an attorney via special motion. If this scenario were to occur, Josh & the Duggars would have a field day with it & blow it up out of proportion. Josh as a lawyer would further his already overly inflated ego. A lawyer with only a GED wow so impressed NOT! Is there any truth that Josh is planning to run for Congress? I feel sorry for the state of Arkansas. If true, what next a run for the Presidency? Don't believe he would get elected.

Syndee said...

"He can also be admitted to the DC Bar without examination by Special Motion or as a Special Legal Consultant. "

I'm imagining the SNL church lady going "Isn't that special" :)

Heart in Florida said...

sunny side up: This is Heart in Florida....please, NO WAY did I mean all real homeschooled children receive an inferior education...quite the opposite. My children have known some home schooled children and I find that they are ahead of most public schools; please take note, all posters here, that when I refer to the homeschooling/homefooling..it is the Duggar brand of education. I have a lot of respect for proper homeschooled students. I always am referring to the low level Duggars...hope that cleared it up for you...

Heart in Florida said...

Years ago, I remember that more states allowed a lawyer to "motion in" and apply for bar membership in their state if the state the lawyer already was admitted to had that agreement between states. That was 215-30 years ago. As I understand now, states are becoming more strict in allowing this..More and more states are requiring their state bar exam regardless if you already hold a law license in another state. I know, as I was married to a lawyer for 30 years and he looked in to "motioning in" in various states. They are tightening up their requirements. I am surprised that DC would be so laxed in their requirements being that they are our nation's capital...I highly doubt that Josh Duggar would ever be a full fledged lawyer...he may aspire to become a legal research assistant, law clerk, etc...but even those require a real, "above board" education with real exams.

Skeptical viewer said...

Why do the Duggars announce that a "special announcement" will air after the next episode, only to have that news PRINTED in People magazine the day before? They did this with Josh and Anna's pregnancy announcement too. Double dipping much?

Mommy in PA said...

People magazine has an article up this morning that says Josiah is now courting. Her name is Marjorie Jackson and he met her while taking Spanish lessons. She was also with them during their El Salvador trip in December.

Pam said...

Did anyone see that Josiah is courting a girl named Marjorie? Good for him. I'm still praying it will be Jana soon.

Mommy in PA said...

Josiah courting is the special announcement this Tuesday, the People article said Josiah and Marjorie will have a message for viewers.

Londonbridges said...

I wonder if the experience of Israel's birth will help Jill and Derick decide to postpone the next baby? Obviously this birth was much more than anticipated. Surely it wouldn't be expected that she will go through this every year or so. I know the next one may be easy and simple, but it may not. JMHO.

Kari said...

I was thinking the same thing regarding their special announcements and People magazine. They must have sold all exclusive rights such as special announcements to People for big money. They're already under with TLC for regular episodes, so JB probably thought why not sell exclusive info to magazines now that we are celebrities?

Londonbridges said...

What help did Jill need while in the hospital? Did she mean help with the baby? As a Canadian, I'm not sure of the U.S. hospital procedures. I feel for the sister-mommies, as they will be with the Dillards for the unseen future. Time to raise the next generation. JMHO.

Elspeth said...

Article on Alyssa and Allie:
http://okmagazine.com/photos/alyssa-john-webster-bringing-up-bates-baby-girl-pics/photo/1001237051/

Caitrin said...

I don't think the Duggars understand the concept of over exposure....

Beth said...

I have a feeling DerJill will have episodes making it look like they are caring for this baby all alone but in reality will have a sister/buddy living there helping out but will not make mention of it (or downplay it) on the show, just like they had Anna do on the roadtrip episode where they purposely pretended like Jana wasn't there helping

attyinfo said...

Admission on motion is the admission process for a person licensed as an attorney in another state - generally, this means attendance at an accredited law school and a certain number of years of practice. Once you have those years of practice, you can get licensed in additional states without taking more bar exams other than your first one. This is common in most states; 30+ and counting now.

Admission as a special consultant is for a person licensed as an attorney in another country.

These standards are typical and not an indication of lax standards in DC.

Kay said...

It seems that Josiah is the first Duggar kid to follow cousin Amy on social media.

funtally said...

Either Jill or Jessa, in one of the talking head shots said, "Us four older girls wrote a book." US WROTE A BOOK?????? I'm sure that they had help since none of them know enough about either English grammar or relationships to write a book!

Teacher Mommy said...

Ok, I am a Baptist, raised in the Baptist church, and I can honestly say that it's a bit presumptuous to call it a "cult". I wear pants, go to the beach in a bathing suit, cut and color my hair, attended public school and college, and have a master's degree in secondary education. I dated - not courted- before marrying my husband. Our child goes to public school and particulates in sports with people in our community. I work as a teacher (gasp) in a real public school. Don't lump all Baptists in with the Gothardites, it's not accurate or fair. Rant over.

Bobbi said...

Teacher Mommy, I apologize to you. You are correct in that not all Baptists are a cult. Unfortunately the Baptist faith I grew up was headed in the direction similar to the Duggars form of a Baptist. After college (I went to a State school), I BOLTED from that Baptist faith. Throughout the years because of my decision, my relationship was always strained with my parents. I really believe this Duggar Baptist faith is Not really Bsptist. All things on the Duggar program clearly point to a CULT. I have taken the time to research Bill Gothard & learned this guy is a creep, a wolf in sheep's clothing, he's all about controlling, particularly minimizing women if which he has zero respect & views women as only a slave to their husbands, blind obedience, never questioning husbands demands. Gothard preaches that a man has absolute authority over a woman. In today's world that doesn't work for the majority of we women with the exception of course Michelle Duggar & other women who chose to drink the Kool aid of the Gothard cult. Again, I apologize for placing all Baptists into one basket. Lesson learned.

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