Free Discussion, May, 2015

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zebracrossing said...

If you want to watch the Duggars perform at First Baptist Church Bentonville...you can google the church andclick on the Duggars May 3 and watch the service as JB painfully introduces everyone. Anna looks like she doesn't feel well and looks swollen. I haven't watched the whole thing. Guess they eventually start singing...

zebracrossing said...

http://livestream.com/accounts/1340795/events/4022656 FBC Bentonville....Duggars

KatieP said...

Can no longer tolerate watching 19 Kids. For me it's too sad to watch the imprisonment of these kids who's parents are committed to the destruction & removal of the joy & independent thinking of their kids. Clearly this abuse. Over this past weekend, I researched the information & the many points that define a Cult. Jim Bob & Michelle's manner in which they are raising their kids met every one of the criteria. In the USA there are many programs in place to intervene on behalf of children to maintain their safety, to encourage them to become the people/adults they are meant to be. The Duggars are definitely in a CULT. The CULT of Gothard & his psycho & sick rules that ROB basically women & children if their Freedom in every aspect of their lives. There just has to be a way to bring attention to this CULT. Unfortunately the 19 Kids program is not doing the job it's perpetuating this CULT to many people who will follow anything & not think before acting. This is the type of person a CULT such as the one the Duggars are in the leaders seek. They do so in a subtle manner to lure these people. I believe the staff at TLC is quite aware the Duggars are a CULT yet they continue with 19 Kids program. They do not care about the message Jim Bob projects to viewers. Their only motivation is $$$. I believe many people have become bored & tired of the repetitive story lines many of which minimize women encouraging them to become skaves & subservient to their husbands & to become pregnant most of their lives. We are not living in the 18th century. Thank God women of today have many choices. We are women who run companies, hold positions in political office, Doctors, Attorneys & many other careers. The world is our oyster. We accomplish many things & run our homes & families with much success. To be told the only function of women is to be married & produce a number of children is ridiculous & insane. Jim Bob is sending the wrong message to women. My niece who is an Attorney, will not permit her young daughters to watch 19 Kids she believes it's a joke & dishonest. I agree. Duggars no more.

Janice said...

The controversy over the Duggar cult beliefs & place in society is the very reason, I believe, that TLC continues to air the program. The show gets people to talk about important family & relationship topics, with the ultimate conclusion (hopefully) that we can do it better & the Duggars are ridiculous!

DJ said...

Question: If Jim Bob should pass away, who will become the "head of household"? The oldest boy home? Or would Michelle finally get to be the authority figure? Would Michelle ever be allowed to re-marry?
On a similiar note, since they are young, if Josh should pass away, would Ana be expected to return home or would she be "allowed" to raise the kids on her own without a male head-of-household figure?

Olivia said...

Jim Bob takes on the role of a pied piper & for those people easily swayed, will follow the Duggar Gothard CULT without thinking. So sad.

KatieP said...

One more detail, my niece said to watch the Duggars is a commercial for unhealthy living from their food, dress, shoes (used) to their ludicrous religion to their obsession with pregnancy. It's abnormal.

Charlotte said...

Question: If Jim Bob should pass away, who will become the "head of household"? The oldest boy home? Or would Michelle finally get to be the authority figure? Would Michelle ever be allowed to re-marry?
On a similiar note, since they are young, if Josh should pass away, would Ana be expected to return home or would she be "allowed" to raise the kids on her own without a male head-of-household figure?
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I highly doubt a widowed Duggar woman would be permitted by their cult leader Gothard to be the head of her family. Since they seem so fond of old Bible customs & Jewish laws, maybe they'd do some weird Old Testament Levirate marriage and Anna would get passed off to John David should anything happen to Josh the Golden Boy.

Esther said...

I think the Duggar females have Stockholm syndrome and by having that it is easy to mold them into being Stepford Wives.

Esther said...

RE: Derick and that silly looking "scruff" on his face which seems to have bald spots....that Jilly Muffin loves:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/04/beard-swab-results/26861943/

Esther said...

RE: the outfit Jill Duggar Dillard put together for her picnic with her man and their chaperone. (I remember Michelle Duggar saying her girls wore leggings because they had their legs "splattered" all over the place. I laughed at that image. So did she suggest Jilly Muffin wear them in this lovely picture?

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2014/09/11/19-kids-counting-650x450.jpg

Esther said...

Other sites are reporting that the midwife Jill and Jana were working with lost her license so Jill and Jana are no longer certified?

Anyone know if that is true or just another rumor?

I know Jana and Jill were on here a few months ago and their LayMidwife Apprentices permits were good until Aug of this year. As of the April 22, 2015 list I don't see them any more yet Debora Query is still on there: http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Pages/LayMidwifery.aspx

Did they have a different supervisor than Debora Query has?

JenTru said...

When they do the birthing special tomorrow night I'm curious to see if they blur out Michelle's stomach this time (during her c section with Jackson). Although I did watch the rerun of 14 Kids and Pregnant Again and they didn't alter the rerun of that. Wonder if Jill will show her belly? Hopefully someone had enough sense not to allow the film crew in the OR for an emergency section but when is the last time anything that made sense was done on this show?

Watching that special was a trip. Michelle's 70's disco makeup, a MALE ultrasound tech touching Michelle, 16 yr old Josh talking about dating, the horrible matching dresses, Jana's awkward stage, Joy Anna with life in her eyes. Wonder whatever happened to the Holt family that they used to socialize and homechurch with? There was some discrepancy about giving away pieces of your heart but now I can't remember it. So many questions. So many lies to keep track of.

Pam said...

I am watching the planning meeting for Jessa's wedding when they were meeting with the ladies from the church. Why was Jim Bib sitting in the back? Did he not think the women could handle it? My dad let my mom and me handle everything for my wedding. He just wrote the checks and showed up. I did show him my dress though.

Patricia A said...

zebracrossing...I watched a little of the service from the First Baptist Church and I agree that Anna has gotten big all of a sudden. I didn't think she looked well, but she seems to be in good hands with her midwife.

Carol said...

Some posted last week about Michele's black skirt, black stockings and black shoes. I've always thought that fashion trend started after visiting New York and she's copying orthodox Jewish women. Some really pull it off and look great but alot end up looking frumpy. Apparently Michelle aimed for the latter.

Bobbi said...

Carol, since Jennifer's birth Michelle became full on frumpy. Ya know the black stockings & shoes do remind me of the manner in which some Women of the Jewish faith choose to dress. However this choice does not work for Michelle. Re clothing choices & style, Michelle will never get it & dimwit Jim Bob will never permit her to dress in a modern style. Jim Bob a real piece of work & that's definitely not a compliment.





simba said...

Im watching Jill's gender reveal, Michelle has that crazy look about her while discussing kathy not being able to be there with them, she looks thrilled! Big eyes and that weird smile/ laugh

70'schild said...

Just watched Derick as Pistol Pete for OSU. At the end if this episode Derick mentioned if there kids want to go to college or Purdue a career they will allow it. Then, Jill said maybe one will become Pistol Pete. I was shocked his couple expressed a forward thinking thought.

Dee said...

Ugh, next week is Anna and Josh's baby gender reveal. Poor Anna looks rough....very swollen.
Also, we are once again treated to another Sierra Special, where the would be (she doesn't have any kind of formal training in event planning) coordinator takes over the episode.
Why is she featured so much now?
Maybe Jim Bob is thinking she's pretty cute and still has some child bearing years left in her....

Confused in Germany said...

So, yesterday - on German TV - the "Dry-Humping-Scene" was shown. And it was just as horrible, as described. BUT: due to the fact, that it was partly synchronized, one could not really hear Meechelles Baby-Voice. That was a relieve. I saw some parts on YouTube, so I know the Original.
At any rate: it was hard'n heavy..

Willow said...

I will not be watching next week to see the party planner again. Ugh. She's worse than Amy. At least Amy was real family. Plus, I think Sierra is a little bit too bossy with the little Duggar kids. I don't like her attitude at all and am surprised Jim Bob and Michelle are giving her so much access to their family. I heard she is homeschooling the little kids now. Really? With all these new "careers", who is watching her home/kids/husband? Just sayin'.

Also, my question is, why the big gender reveal for Josh and Anna when they did the little cupcake thing on t.v. with their children months ago, to reveal it was a girl? Yawn.

Kari said...

My favorite part of all the Duggar episodes is definitely when the pastor questioned Jessa and Ben about their ridiculous kissing rules.(He didn't say ridiculous but by his tone and look he gave them, he might as well!). Then the best part when he looks at them and says in the Bible there is no where, where it says kissing is a sin or should be abstained from until marriage. I swear the look on Jessa's face was like she had been dubbed all her life. Like, we didn't have to wait after all??? Loved that part!! Maybe Jessa will tell her siblings the truth now and about dancing too.

Always said...

Maybe Sierra did whatever she did for the girl's weddings in exchange for some camera time, instead of cash from Jim Bob. Most "wedding coordinators," get paid a fee but she supposedly was doing it because she was a friend. One hand washes the other.

Judy said...

This is one of the longest "seasons" the Duggars have ever had. They've been running new episodes since February. I had assumed that Jill's birth special would be the end of the season but it looks like they're going a couple more weeks.

Judy said...

The glimpses of Anna in Jill's birth special are a little concerning. She looks fully nine months pregnant and at the time, she still had about three months to go!

Olivia said...

Sierra is really POOF Sierra as she stated planning Jessa's wedding sitting on one of the Duggsr sofas with such big eyes & oh my FLARE stated that if things didn't get done everything would go POIOF So I've labeled her POOF Sierra. I know Sierra will make a big deal (she over embellishes everything) about the Josh & Anna gender reveal. We all know the baby is a Girl. TLC really scraping for credible & interesting story lines. I for one will not watch POOF Sierra plan this event because she's not an authentic event planner & because she's really annoying.

KatieP said...

BTW: POOF Sierra has five children. Wonder who watches her kids when she's out PLAYING pretend event planner?

Bobbi said...

Hey everyone, I just logged on to TLC.com clicked feedback & wrote my opinion about TLC's repetitive Duggar episodes, narcissistic & camera needy Jim Bob the absurd & NON Mother Michelle. The abuse of Jana. & many other issues I believed needed addressed.

Erin said...

I thought Vanessa Giron was the midwife that Jill was assisting. I see her Facebook page A Mommy's Butterfly midwifery shows Jill and
Venessa and a girl who looks
Amish. I don't see Venessa listed on the Arkansas professional
licenses website for midwifery.

What happened?


Anyone know if that rumor is true that she lost her license and with her losing hers now Jill and Jana are no longer certified? They aren't shown as apprentices any longer.



If so, it looks like this recently

Zebracrossing said...

I went back to 2008 of this website under Discuss the Dugger Family Website. Someone posts a comment on seeing Anna and Josh's wedding registry at Walmart. Lol. Guess what was on there? Pringles, Sprite and beef jerky. I guess the ridiculous started with j & a after all.

Esther said...

Just ran across this on the internet:

http://start.cortera.com/company/research/l5n7oqk5j/duggar-automotive/

Look who it is and where the address is.

Olivia said...

With every episode of 19 Kids, clearly Jim Bob Duggar & golden child Josh Duggar continually prove by their behavior & words they are impressed with their own ignorance. This is a dangerous mindset.

cat said...

Anna said she needed Sierra's help planning the gender reveal, after 3 of them, she cant figure it out by herself or with one of Josh's family members? I feel bad for Anna's mom, i wonder if they still have a relationship

Esther said...

People talk about Michelle's baby talk. I think she thinks it is an attempt to stay sweet or sound like it. Michelle, you are a very pretty lady (when you do something about the rats nest hair) but you are scaring 50 and the mother of 19. It ain't working....
Deceiving us with the fake voice, makes us look for other deceptions.

Esther said...

zebracrossing said...

http://livestream.com/accounts/1340795/events/4022656 FBC Bentonville....Duggars

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I am so glad this church let the Duggars sell their book in the church.

Esther said...

http://livestream.com/accounts/1340795/events/4022656

Michelle is telling people to to not watch tv....even though they are on it.


I doubt they really mean that though, as they wouldn't be making a fortune if we weren't watching.


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Oh,my goodness....Michelle just sang a bit. She has a BEAUTIFUL voice. It is nothing at all like the baby voice.

Esther said...

I am still listening to the Duggars at FBC on May 3, 2015.

They said for 13 years Mrs. Anderson (they call her Nana)came to their house twice a week and did their laundry! (13 YEARS!) Now Grandma Duggar does it.

Bobbi said...

Dee, oh precious joy Sierra the pretend event planner & now homeschool instructor. This woman is way over the top POOF about everything in the planet. Sierra should job shadiow a authentic & established event planner. Suerra would be amazed at the number of criteria is accomplished by a true event planner who's not overwhelmed & sits on a sofa saying POOF! Geez Sierra what a concept.

auntliddy said...

Pam- i think JimBob is just a yenta- he has to be in on everything! Lol

auntliddy said...

Patricia- ana never really looks well. Shes very sweet and works hard with house and kids, but she seems, i dont know, anemic or something.

KimmieH said...

Many episodes ago when the Duggars visited the Bates, Jim Bob & Michelle rode with Kelly, Erin & Alyssa & several of the Bates children to some pace I don't recall. Kelly needed to use the restroom so she pulled into parking place next to an ice cream shop. Kelky, Erin & Akyssa got out if the van & walked into the ice cream shoppe to use the facility & to buy ice cream. Shortly thereafter, Jim Bob jumped into the drivers side of the van & drove away. Kelly saw this & was agast & clearly upset because she thought her children had been kidnapped. The crew filming knew what Jim Bob had done but chose not to share the info with Kelly. Then Jim Bob returned with the van laughing. Kelly was still upset. Jim Bob has zero empathy for no one. The crew filming should have been chastised for causing Kelly grief. Jim Bob & his sick jokes are never funny. This guy has no filter & pounds his chest as the greatest Christian on the planet. BTW Michelle was really embarrassed about that incident. If I had been Kelky, I would have refused future filming of my family. The fact that this film crew was in on the Jim Bob joke was reprehensible & they should have been called to task.

KimmieH said...

BTW Jim Bob never apologized to Kelly. Why am I not surprised. This guy has the judgment level of a 5 year old & no manners or class.

KatieP said...

Re POOF Sierra the pseudo event planner & now Duggar homeschool instructor. One my friends who is an established & business owner event planner suggested the following for Sierra... Check out on line classes in hospitality & event planning as these courses addresse every aspect of scocial event planning such as weddings, barmitzvas, children's parties, catering advice, advance preparedness, funerals, business events, etc. These classes are very thorough & teach future event planners to deal calmly with many varied scenarios. If she's serious or interested, Sierra will benefit from enrolling in these classes.

Olivia said...

Esther, OMG, is Michelle really that addle? Is she completely daft? Does Jim Bob & Michelle really believe the population of the USA will follow their advice & stop watching TV? If they believe this then they are truly insane. Is Michelle so stupid she doesn't realize if everyone in the USA stopped watching TV that would include 19 Kids the moneymaker for the Duggars. I am still shocked that Michelle made such a dumb remark. Well I guess I really shouldn't be surprised.

Annie said...

I was reading Erin and Chad Paine's Instagram when she was giving the longwinded explanation of why they were naming their son Charles Phillip. He will be the III and is named after Chad's father. Erin commented that maybe having this baby born will "tug on his grandfather's heartstrings" and make him want to move to Tennessee. Does anyone else think that is a little odd? First, Chad's father is a Medical Doctor and probably still has a practice in Oklahoma whereas Chad just works at a lumberyard. Why don't they simply move closer to them? Why is it necessary for everyone to move closer to them? This always confuses me...

Cindy said...

I do not understand why Sierra is teaching the younger children. Michelle should be teaching her own children. I am a home school mom of six. Two have graduated and are IN college, one adult autistic son, and three still in school. It's her responsibility! Sorry, it really upsets me.

katie's Mom said...

Sharla, Many thanks for posting the numbers for the big, "Jill's Special Delivery Episode." It appears that the, "Nesting & Room RE-Do" had higher numbers & rating. Also very close to the,"Family Dinner." That was a surprise to me, but pleased to see that people appear to have had their fill of Jill's delivery after it was splashed all over "People Magazine," etc.

somewhereinny315 said...

People have revered to Sierra as POOF. What does that even mean?

Pretty Red Rose said...

I like wedding planner Sierra. It was her POOF that I liked best. She has spunk and personality. And I especially liked the episode where she was just sitting on the couch with the 3 little girls and giving them attention. The girls really lack this type of attention from an adult. Not sure if Sierra made veils for the girls, but it was a cute dress up moment for them. I wish Michelle would give them these type of attention.

Beth Anne said...

Regarding Sierra and being "surprised Jim Bob and Michelle are giving her so much access to their family."

Sierra is just over-the-top eager to be a part of the royal Duggar circus and attach herself to this famous family, and JimBob and Michelle are oh-too-willing to hand their parental responsibilities over to an eager fan. I think ANYONE could have stepped up and volunteered to do homeschooling and Michelle would've said yes right away, because she is too busy polishing her mother-of-the-year awards, which in a fair world would be awarded to a mother who actually engages in the hands-on care (including homeschooling) of her children. No reference checks, no extensive interviews about educational qualifications, etc. Michelle saw an opportunity to get out of a parental chore, once again, and took full advantage of it!

coleen said...

Here are some pics of Josh and Anna's new house.

http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/

Wampascat said...

I think Michelle sports the dark stockings because she's probably a mass of varicose veins after carrying baby after baby. I also think she'd be a great spokesperson for Depends. She must be wearing some sort of incontinence brief. Her bladder, among other things, must be shot! Does that turn you on, Jim Bob?

Bailey M. said...

Looks like the episode with Josie's medical emergency tacked on at the end got more viewers than the 2 shows all about Duggars giving birth -- like that's something unique only these broodmares can do. I guess that's proof that viewers are slowly starting to lose interest in this trainwreck. We all know it's hard to look away at an accident scene.

Jana (well, actually all of the adult "kids") will need help escaping the compound like those guys on "Breaking the Faith". JB & Michelle didn't arrive until after the emergency was over so they downplayed the whole incident and Jana got "consoling" side hugs as a reward. Those parental side hugs are just bizarre -- same as hugs I give my new husband's male family & friends that I'm not very familiar with yet. Seems like they didn't even try getting on the first available flight home like any normal, concerned parent should be.

KatieP said...

Bill Gothard cultivated a system & atmosphere of absolute male authority built on the whims of an old man (Gothard) with too much money & power. Basically Gothard had way too much time on his hands the Duggars bought into this crap that began with Gothard ATI homeschooling & then the Alert academy. Gothard never learned that an idol mind is a devils workshop or words similar written in the Bible. Gothard is now age 80 years. Perhaps his perverted ways have become dormant? One could only hope.

Dee said...

Bobbi -
I simply cannot watch the Sierra-centric episodes.
I just find it really suspicious that she is featured so much.
Amy was one thing; she's family. It's so odd to me that all of a sudden there is this (semi) attractive little blonde gal being highlighted on the show, especially in light of Jim Bob's increased griping about Michelle's 'failure' to conceive.
I'm probably just being awful, but having grown up around Jim Bob like males who pretty much think they're invincible and god like, I have this feeling that something dark could possibly be going on behind the scenes.
Time will tell.

auntliddy said...

I dont think yhey think of Josie as theirs, but rather as Jana's, so they are removed emotionally. Of course it outrageous they didnt come right home. And these side hugs are a fairly recent thing. Its like they think ANY kiss or hug will lead directly to the act of sex. So self punitive, so sad, so stupid.

Olivia said...

Somewhereinmy315, re Sierra the pretend event planner & now Duggar homeschool instructor. During the planning of Jessa's wedding of which Sierra coordinated, Sierra blew things out of proportion in overreacting about the enormity of Jessa's wedding. While sitting on one of the Duggar Sofa's she remarked to volunteers about getting everything in place because soon everything would go POOF. Most credible & established event planners regardless of the event employ a staff of professional people to follow through to ensure the event is successful. For example. An outdoor reception in the month of November as was Jessa's would require portable heaters, tents & seating. None of f these issues were previously planned or addressed by Sierra until the actual day of the wedding. Clesrly, Sierra is Not a professional event planner or coordinator. its just obvious & a fact & she's annoying.

KimmieH said...

Each AM, I continue to log on to TLC.com then a photo of Dim Bukb & baby voice Michelle displays. Then In a red box I click reply & no holes barred express my thoughts to TLC about the Duggars & boring re runs, continual pregnancies, courtship & the moronic cult atmosphere of the Duggars & Jim Bob's futile attempt to convert viewers to the Gothard Fundie way life. I plead with TLC to create a new storyline or if they aren't equal to the task to simply replace 19 Kids with a program intelligent people will find interesting & want to watch.

Wampascat said...

Annie, I agree with you about Bates family comment. I recall the older boys ganging up on one of the fiances and telling them that they had better stay in Tennessee. I think it was Michaela's beau. It's so weird to me. It's not like they have a compound like the Duggar family or have houses to hand out like Jim Bob does for his kids. I thought the man is supposed to be the head of his own house? Alyssa and John are very lucky to have gotten away. I just hope they keep a lid on the baby factory, but I'm not holding my breath.

Edith Anne said...

Cindy, I too am confused as to why Sierra the pretend POOF event planner & now Duggar homeschool instructor will be teaching the kids? What teaching credentials & or certificattions qualify Sierra to teach the younger Duggar children? My guess is probably none. Sierra does not project an image of one who is very bright. Example Jessa's wedding. A November wedding reception should have included portable heaters, tents & adequate seating. These issues should have been initially addressed. Smart wedding event planners would have addressed this issue. Calling 40 vendors on the day of the wedding to commandeer portable heaters was ridiculous & spoke volumes of a person who was clearly out of their league & a Novice in planning a wedding of that size. This is why I am dubious as to the ability of Sierra to correctly teach the Duggar children. I am just not enamored with Sierra. My opinion.

70'schild said...

Yes Sierra is too eager & impressed with herself. Her behavior is annoying & boring. Perhaps Sierra is lobbying TLC to create a POOF show for her. I won't be watching.

KatieP said...

Seriously come on, Michelle actually told viewers not to watch TV? Does she not realize her family is on TLC in a reality show? Where is the Logic in Michelle's statement? It's ridiculous, absurd, not well thought out & Nuts. Obviously Michelle believes money must fall from heaven? Does she not realize TLC is paying a healthy salary to air a program about the 19 Kids? Is Michelle that self absorbed to believe the entire population of the USA will Stop watching TV simply because she advised as such? Not happening Michelle. Please Michelle THINK before speaking otherwise you appear addle. Geez.

Buckeye said...

to those of us who are normal, front hugs are affectionate, but not at all sexually erotic.

Why do Gothard women have to end up being frumpy/dumpy?

Gothard and his ilk have serious ISSUES.

Syndee said...

I watched part of this. For those who say Free Jana, I don't see it ever happening. Look at her around 14 min. She is nodding and smiling at everything Michelle says, and I believe she is genuine because she is not the main person being filmed and probably isn't aware she's being filmed too. So I bet she really agrees with this nonsense.

I wonder why, for all the web presence these guys have, they don't ever get into online conversations or debates. Instead they just declare something on INstagram or whatever and then apparently not even read the comments.

Kelsey said...

Apparently if you piss off Ben enough on Instagran he will respond. I have no idea why I was looking at his holier-than-though account, but I believe we have the beginnings of an argument over creationism.

Mary said...

Hi

Just wondering How much time (Vacation) that Derick gets. Just changing channels and he and He and Jilly at Josn's home.. I guess that must have a lot of air miles.


Maryg

4 and Counting said...

RE: The gender reveal for Josh & Anna's baby. Sierra, dear this is not a difficult task. These are the Duggars...the baby is a girl. All you need to do is line up a group of, "Merry Maids" or women from a like service, march them in, pink uniforms, carrying pink balloons & pink dust rags of & POOF you're done!
Mackenzie already knows this will be her first assistant. Anyone notice when Michael said he wanted 10 boys & 1 girl. I thought Mackenzie would faint. She saw her future & she didn't like it. I don't blame her a bit.

Mary said...

Hi

I am waiting for Serra's book to come out


Mary G

Mary said...

Hi

I have a few questions on Josie. Why was she missing the bottom half of her clothes??

I forgot my other question

Also does people know the Duggar's live across the of a town landfill and dump


Maryg

Wheez said...

"Lick n stick" Josie is starting to remind me of honey boo boo...

Melissa said...

Oh wow I hope there is nothing weird going on with the Sierra thing. I do wonder why Michelle can't homeschool the little ones? Especially as the older kids have their various activities, surely Michelle would have the time to focus on the little ones now? It would make sense if they need special training in a particular subject such as music, but his makes no sense. The only thing I can think of is Sierra needs income for her family and Duggars are trying to help her out.

Always said...

I asked this question some time ago but it seems even more pertinent now. Just exactly how many courtships,engagements, wedding, pregnancies & let's not forget the exciting "gender reveals," are viewers going to continue to tune into TLC to watch? There is never anything new with this show/ministry. Perhaps people are more enthralled with Jim Bob's sense of humor or his PDA's than I thought. Enough TLC. Unlike the scarecrow in the"Wizard of OZ," people actually do have a brain. They don't need to be transported to either OZ or in this case, Springdale AR. I beseech viewers heed Michelle Duggars advise & stop watching TV, or at least this particular show & ministry.

auntliddy said...

Always- i think they always get new viewers who arent used to their schickt, so they will just keep rolling with iy.

Dar said...

Please, please, producers or directors of this show, stop showing that middle-aged clown trying to garner attention by sucking his wife's face every chance he gets. It is getting nauseating. He has absolutely no talent, no brains and no personality. It is getting embarrassing watching him. The worst thing is that his children think it is cute and are following in his footsteps. Someone please tell them that showing love is what you do when no one but your partner is watching. Grandstanding for cameras looks to me like compensating for something lacking. Behaving respectfully towards his wife in front of his children would be a better example of his so-called "Love" PERV. JMHO

Dee said...

Good point about the side hugs. I noticed that too in a recent episode. The girls were giving Michelle side hugs and I thought, "Why would you hug your mom like that?"
I've noticed that people of this ilk seem to focus on erotic stuff way more than is necessary.

Dar said...

Happy Mothers' Day to all you posters. Enjoy reading your thoughts and opinions, even when we don't agree.

Happy Mothers' Day, Sharla. Thank you for what for your work on this blog.

Mary said...

Melissa really now you want Mullet to homeschool her childre? They do not listen to her now. Plus she must be at the readt for the call of JimBoob for some bed room action.

I can't wait for dierra new show on TLC.
How I handle multi tasking.
As a mom of 5 kids
teacher to Duggar kids
Wedding planner
Event planner
Nurse in NIC united
home designer
I know I missed some... Duggars we are not stupid. Mullet either cut your hair and girls hair or buy a brush and comb and use it. The also have elastics to ty it back. Why are all the males in you home hair so neat take lessons from them. How care if JimBoob likes long hait tell hi to let his get long. Still think he is balding and has a rug

Marites H. said...

Oh wow I hope there is nothing weird going on with the Sierra thing. I do wonder why Michelle can't homeschool the little ones? Especially as the older kids have their various activities, surely Michelle would have the time to focus on the little ones now? It would make sense if they need special training in a particular subject such as music, but his makes no sense. The only thing I can think of is Sierra needs income for her family and Duggars are trying to help her out.
**********************************I'm pretty sure Sierra has a bundle of her own kids. Who'd be looking after them while Sierra is teaching at the dining room table and JB & M are locked up in their room "fellowshipping"?

Answer: Jana, of course! She's always SO happy to take care of other people's children.

Sunshine said...

Melissa, That was a very kind thought you had, that the Duggars might be helping Sierra out financially, but let me assure you the Duggars never help anyone out financially. The Duggars take care of the Duggars. That's it! I do think it's just some camera time, for whatever work(?)she did on the girl's weddings. As was previously mentioned one hand washes the other..no money would need to change hand from Jim Boob to Sierra if she gets what she considers some good PR. Who cares for her own 5 kids? Her kids can't be very old as she's a young woman. Also she's a working woman which I thought was against the Duggars belief system.

Ginger said...

Olivia, you're absolutely correct that credible& established planners employ a staff that follows through on all the details. However that would require money. This staff would receive a salary & with the Dugars it's always volunteers & friends who think highly of themselves or at least the Duggars think highly of them. Basically, the most important part of their wedding planner & her staff is, it isn't going to cost them anything. As always, you get what you pay for!

Mindi said...

RE: Bailey M's comments on Josie's medical emergency. A side hug for Jana was a disgrace. If it hadn't been for her Josie might have died. The last time when she had a seizure & they were away they actually acted like Jana over reacted. Michelle saying when she arrived at the hospital all she saw was a happy healthy little girl playing & enjoying all the attention. There was no big thanks to Jana at that time either. My heart breaks for her as I'm sure if Josie hadn't survived Jana would have always blamed herself. That young woman gets no credit from her parents or her sisters either. She really is a modern day Cinderella. Jim Bob & Michelle not coming home immediately speaks volumes about who they really are as people, parents & good Christians. I also have a family member who works for a commercial airline & believe me in an emergency such as Josie's they would get the Duggars on the very first plane. I actually wondered if they only had room for one of them, if that was why they didn't come home immediately. Michelle & Jim Bob have to be together at all times.

Erin said...

Second comment on here gave the link to the Duggars performance at FBC. Michelle also gave her testimony. Did anyone listen to it? Maybe that is why she uses the fake over- the- top sweet voice.


She talks about how she was a wild child. When she got caught after stealing from a woman at the swimming pool she felt bad and decided to be as nice as she could.She made cheerleader.

I'm seeing a connection with the eating disorder, the desire to appear perfect, being "chosen" by this wonderful husband and tring to keep up the really nice (sweet) act.

Erin said...

Sierra seems to be part of the "big family" wannabes that Jim Bob has on just enouh that they get a nice fat check from TLC to help finance their big families.

Sierra seems to think she is a great actress. She is entertaining because so many people have commented on her overacting with those bugged out eyes and silly things she says and does.

Carol said...

If TLC wants an interesting show they should research recoveringgrace.org. It's dedicated to people surviving the ATI cult. They might find real people with real stories.

Pam said...

Ugh! Jill is in People again using her favorite new word. "It feels surreal."

KatieP said...

Pam, ugh why? Did Saint Jill also overuse "Like" & "Totally" as well? Jill behaves as a 10 year old. Poor Derick.

Bobbi said...

If anyone wants to express their opinions about any member of the Duggars, just log in to TLC.com the wait briefly see photo of JB & M acted box with word Feedback appears. Click Feedback & post your opinion. One may choose to remain Anon or one may post an email address. I've contacted TLC several times & expressed my opinion about the Duggars, Dillards, Seewalds & Sierra.

Dee said...

"Michelle and Jim Bob have to be together at all times. "
Personally, I think this is because there isn't an ounce of trust in this family.
The parents don't trust the kids and JB and Michelle don't trust each other.
There is a huge disconnect if constant contact is required.
In Michelle's case I think it's justified. She knows JB is overly amorous and also disappointed with her inability to conceive any longer.
He definitely warrants watching, but not at the expense of their poor little daughter.
What a sick situation.

Andrea said...

Syndee wrote: "I watched part of this. For those who say Free Jana, I don't see it ever happening. Look at her around 14 min. She is nodding and smiling at everything Michelle says, and I believe she is genuine because she is not the main person being filmed and probably isn't aware she's being filmed too. So I bet she really agrees with this nonsense."

I wanted to add, that it's really hard to judge Jana based on her actions on stage. She may not have been the main person being filmed, but she knew she was in the eye of an audience. That said, we really don't know what is going on. I feel bad for her. She's 25, never been kissed, can't even be allow with a member of the opposite sex and lives in a room with 5 little girls. She's a perpetual camp counsellor for a summer which never ends!

cat said...

What bugs me about the side hugs is the way they go in for the hug and turn their whole body sideways, like eww, dont touch me!

Beth Anne said...

Regarding JimBob and Michelle having to be together at all times...

I might be in the minority, but I just don't see JimBob as a cheater. I think he tries to play the patriarchal authority figure to the hilt, but is actually too much of a doofus to do it well and that he is actually an insecure man who wants his wife by him at all times.

Heck, the entire family basically "has" to be together at all times. It's like a big co-dependent nightmare, and JimBob and Michelle have created this whole family identity around being a Christian mom and dad with 19 kids and counting, so they need to act as one humongous 42-legged creature, with not one individual truly independent of the others. Josh has come the closest, but even he is running back to mommy and daddy's house as often as possible.

Always said...

What's up with Josh lately with the sunglasses all the time, even in the house? Seems he's become; "Josh Hollywood!"

Annabelle said...

RE: The Duggars not coming home immediately when Josie had her medical emergency. My husband traveled for many years for his work, always by airline travel. He said they constantly ask in an emergency situation for anyone who will give up their seat on the planes, as someone has an emergency. He said he often did this, & was always compensated with another ticket for future use. I have to wonder why they didn't come home to their "precious addition Josie."

Wednesday said...

The side hug is the one thing I really agree with the Duggars about. I'm really not a hugger - I hate when people I barely know feel the need to hug me to say hello. But unless your in a rush or your arms are full family should always get a full front hug.

KatieP said...

Jana Duggar the eternal Cinderella. Very sad.

Missy said...

Bobbi, Thanks for the info on contacting TLC with regard to criticism of the Duggars. I truly ask this question as a matter of info for myself: Did you choose to remain anonymous with your comments? If not, have you ever received a reply from TLC based on your comments? Just curious if they even taken any of these comments seriously.

Missy said...

I too have read the comments about, "Free Jana." I also think it's highly unlikely that there is even a remote possibility that she will ever live what most consider a normal life. She would require a great deal of deprogramming by a professional. I cannot remember her birthdate, but feel she must be approaching 26, although I could be wrong she may have just reached 25. But think about what you were doing at that age. It reminds me of something that I remember from my childhood: The old maid aunt that remained at home to care for her parents. In this case due to all the little girls, she has the responsibility for more than just her parents to deal with, she has those little ones to raise. This is a heartbreaking situation to me. I agree that Michelle must have cared for some of her firstborn children. I'm not really sure when Michelle actually turned over the care of her babies to her older daughters & would really like to know exactly how young they were when this responsibility was placed on their shoulders. We know by their own admission & pictures we've seen, that Jill was a caregiver to Joy. To me it's severe abuse. They have taken away the life Jana is entitled to. I will always remember when the bridesmaids dresses needed alterations & Jill just handed that job over to Jana, never asked for Jana's help just "Jana will do it wont you Jana?" And she did. Right there, Jill was already following in her mom's footsteps. Then all of them right down to Josie enjoyed a wonderful celebration, a fancy tea, to celebrate finding the dresses, as Jana was at the sewing machine. I have to wonder about extended family such as; Jim Bob's sister, Amy & any of Michelle's relatives Doesn't anyone care about this beautiful young woman? Sorry about this long rant but it makes me furious.

Warm Wishes said...

I really like Derick's Mom and am so very sorry that she has been dealing with cancer. I am a nurse who's entire career has been spent in the Oncology field. Even the nursing school I attended was affiliated with a hospital that only treated cancer patients. It breaks my heart to say this, but I truly don't think Cathy has beaten her cancer. I know they are saying she's in remission. I have seen so many patient's who are in remission but sadly, sometimes that only lasts a month or two. I'm sure she had make-up on for her appearances at the baby shower & when Israel was born. We know the Duggars always have make-up on for any filming. Still she looked extremely pale & frail during her interview times. I know she's going through a recovery period & believe me I hope & pray for a return to good health for her. I'm so happy that she was able to be on scene for the arrival of her 1st grandchild. At the baby shower when she gave Derick the gift of a letter his dad wrote about the first time he felt Derick kick when he was in Cathy's abdomen,as well as the book with pictures of Derick & his dad it was extremely moving. But when Cathy explained that Derick was the first person she was ever related to by blood, due to he fact that she was adopted I just shed tears. I pray for this wonderful woman, who I know is still in a fight for her life. God bless her.

Rob said...

In regards to this quote from Missy " I'm not really sure when Michelle actually turned over the care of her babies to her older daughters & would really like to know" Meeeshell stated in one of the episodes that once the child is weaned it then becomes the juristiction/buddy of an older sibling. My question would be when does Meeshell stop breastfeeding but pump so that the child can be bottle fed by the sibling? Of course now that Josie is way beyond needing breast or bottle it's rather a mute point.

Ginger said...

RE: Wednesday's comments on the Duggars side-hugs. I think almost everyone that has commented has made mention of the fact that they side- hug their own children. It's understandable to not want to receive a hug from someone who is merely an acquaintance or perhaps, they are a distant relative that you don't know & never see. I understand not wanting to be on the receiving end of a hug from someone you hardly know. But to not greet your own children with a sincere & loving hug is something I don't understand. Josh & Anna don't even live in the same state & yet when they arrive at the Duggars there is no real hug, i.e. I love you & am so happy you're here. We never seen them hug their grandchildren either. I also notice that Michelle at least, often "frontal hugs," the various women who introduce them at these church or venues where they are performing & giving their testimony. When you love your family members & are happy to see them you give them a frontal hug & hold them for at least a few seconds.

Buckeye said...

IF the Duggars read the news, I'm guessing the latest Pew results will make them want to double down on their evangelizing. and just WAIT til the formerly minority religions begin to flex their political muscle - the Duggar mentality of legislating the entire country according to their specific religious whims will NOT be extended by the Duggars to any other religions. Because only THEY know what true morality is.

Bobbi said...

Middy, Re TLC... I have replied both via email & Anon. I have not received a response from TLC. I hope TLC reviews the emails & anon replies otherwise, the feedback option is just wasting the time of viewes who post or giving us breeze. Frankly, I don't believe the executives who manage TLC are operating with a full deck mainly because of the annoying re runs about weddings, too many pregnancies & the moronic comments & behavior of Jim Bob, Michelle, Jill & Josh the Duggar clan.

No Longer Anonymous said...

I have some questions:

These young adults always need an accountability partner but do they allow a brother and sister to go somewhere alone? May sound absurd, but if they all side hug they must not trust themselves with close physical contact.

After showing Grandpa Duggar so very sick at the end of his life, Josie's early months in the hospital, Jubilee's funeral, and Josie's seizure, nothing is sacred with this family. If one of the kids was diagnosed with a terminal illness, would they continue to shoot this show, putting the almighty dollar and public attention ahead of their child.

This last one is a comment, not a question. Many of us believe this family is a cult and we wish someone would escape in the hope that it might lead other siblings to follow. The problem is that they have not ever been exposed to any other way of living, and the abuse is more subtle than some other cults IMO.

I cannot tolerate more than five minutes of an episode, but I sure would miss this blog if the show got cancelled.

Jak&Jil said...

Missy on 5/12/15 at 2:13 AM, that was a very poignant piece you wrote. You made me see what a sad situation Jana is in, her more than the others because of her age. It seems everything is stacked against her. You talked about what others are doing at her age, and here she is at 25 not even able to go to the local CVS by herself to buy a candy bar.

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. Jim Bob and Michelle are the most selfish people/parents on the planet. They want nothing for their children (except babies). Ten years from now, nothing in this family will have changed, except more babies.

Pamela S said...

This may have been answered elsewhere, but I wondering what does Josh do for a living? He seems to have an awful lot of time to travel for things that are family-related. The average person could not be away from the ofc on personal business as much as he seems to. Is his job a sham? Just wondering. . .

Pamela S said...

What's with 200 flamingos on the front lawn? That is a horrible waste of money, especially for a family that preaches thrift, buying used, etc!

simba said...

Watching the recap with the film crew, they are just as bad as the duggars, why would you film Josie running across the kitchen counter, any drop of water, she could have slipped and really gotten hurt, were they hoping for that for more drama? This episode shows even more those kids have no real supervision or anyone teaching manners and right from wrong..

Pam said...

Well said, Warm Wishes. I hope Cathy is able to beat the cancer. She is the only normal that baby Izzy and however many of his
siblings will know.

nightmomma said...

I'm new to the "blanket-training" but to me it looks like Jill is starting early. In the mothers day video the baby is wrapped up tight and he is wanting to move his arms but can't, then she posted a video on her instagram of the baby having hiccups but again he is tightly wrapped up in the blanket. I guess you can call it swaddled but I know my three kids HATED to be swaddled...I'm no expert on babies (like Michelle) but babies need to move and experience life, even at the young age of 1 month.

Also, someone else commented that Isreal does not have the wide eyed amazement of the world like most babies (well like mine did). I honestly hope he looks more alert in the pictures they don't post. Poor baby, even if something was wrong because of a traumatic incubation period/delivery I doubt he'd get the treatment he would need.

Sunshine said...

RE: The comment about Josh & his sunglasses. When Josh & Anna returned to AR from their trip to CA, as they drove to the Duggars house on a cold, overcast, gray day, where they had just had snow flurries, Josh was indeed wearing his sunglasses, even though there was not a trace of sun or even a clear sky. It actually looked like it was almost evening that's how dark the sky was. Then he burst into the house still wearing his "shades." Yes,indeed he's Josh Hollywood!

Sharon Digiovanni said...

As far as the Josie seizure episode...they own an airline, 2 planes and John David is a pilot. No excuse

ShanL said...

I have a serious love hate relationship with the Duggar show. I can't look away.

I truly hope one of these kids gets "out" and the youngers follow suit. How sad that they don't actually parent their children anymore.
Jana will never be "free"

Dee said...

Hmm, I saw the previews for next week's show. That should be interesting.
Jim Bob talking about he and Michelle kissed a lot during their courtship/dating time and how Michelle used to wear a bikini to mow the lawn.
This guy just loves to shame her for her wicked, wicked ways.
She and Jana both need to break free and go live in New York.
Now THAT would be some show!
'Mullet and Cinderella Hit the Town'.

Buckeye said...

Dumb & Dumber Duggar: It's a too-close-to-call competition in Arkansas! First, of course, we have The Patriarch, that supposed real estate phenom, who can't provide a decent abode for his clown car fam until TLC rolls up and gets The Tinkertoy House FINALLY completed so as to exploit these yokels for a shameless ratings grab. but with The Patriarch's real estate genius in full swing, the site chosen for The Tinkertoy House is adjacent to the city dump. he must've been somewhere in a prayer closet the day real estatin' school covered the basic concept of "Location, Location, Location".

Next up we have The Patriarch, V2, who in his usual blathering way, instructs us all that neither the issue of gay nor abortion rights is 'decided' (all Supreme Court decision evidence to the contrary). Of course it is to that brain trust, the Duggars, to whom I always turn when wondering what it is Gawd wants and expects.

Ah & now we have Benjie/Bozo Seewald, a Duggar via he olde timely covenant marriage, who does his powerfully insightful You Tube 'interview' with that real science thought leader (& Director of "Research" at the scientifically-acclaimed 'Institute For Creation Research'). Benjie/Bozo's You Tube effort could effortlessly glide its way onward to an SNL skit parodying Why Worms Don't Attempt Real Research/Science.

Dumb & Dumber Duggar - The Trifecta of Ignorance.

simba said...

The worst part was when Josie pooped her pants and the camera did a shot of it, that is abusive and horrible to show that on Tv!

coleen said...

I thought some of us commenters might enjoy this blast from the past TLC promo.

https://vimeo.com/37022552

Awww...simpler times!

Ginger said...

RE: nightmomma's comments about the way Jill has Israel wrapped in the blanket. I don't believe that's what they mean when it comes to "blanket training." Apparently when the child is able to sit up they are placed on a blanket with a toy & when they reach it, the toy is then moved further away, but they are not allowed to get off the blanket to retrieve it. I absolutely could be wrong about it involving a toy, but I do know it involves the child placed on a blanket & made to stay on it. They are disciplined if they get off the blanket. Yes the baby is disciplined for getting off a blanket.

Missy said...

RE: Pamela S comment. On what does Josh do or a living? Well Pamela if you don't know, sit down for this one. Josh Duggar with an education consisting of a "GED", from the School of the Dinning Room Table, taught by Michelle Duggar is: Executive Director of FRC Action Group, in Washington DC. A hate group known to hate Gay & Lesbian people, as well as against abortion. He makes speeches at various venues & travels around supporting various politicians who also are against homosexuals & abortions. He usually has the entire Duggar traveling circus with him. Many people feel this job was handed to him for the publicity the Duggars bring to any cause.It's been said that he receives extremely large fees for speeches, travel expenses, etc. I'm have no idea if that's true, but someone is picking up the tab for all the plane trips for him as well as the frequent trips when he takes his entire fmily back to AR. He has a beautiful home in MD ,a rental I belive & it seems he has a new car in every episode. It's been said that many college educated people were passed over for this position in favor of Josh for the publicity he brings to the job not necessarily the knowledge.You can look this up for any details I don't know or forgot to list.

Beth said...

wow Coleen, that was quite the blast from the past, back when everything seemed so wholesome

Missy said...

Forgot to add that according to the internet, Josh's receives a six figure salary, not included in the other benefits mentioned.

Coleen said...

Here's the link to the Duggar fam. performance on May 3.

http://livestream.com/fbcbentonville/events/4022656

Marjorie performs with the fam. I guess she and Si are getting married.

mel said...

Just saw a post on instagram of Si and Marjorie and she was *gasp* wearing jeans!!

Olivia said...

Oh yeah the Josie poop accident why did TLC believe viewers would find this interesting? TLC's ability to create new story lines definitely falling through the Cracks!

70'schild said...

Buckeye, I applaud your insightful commentary. You have an eloquent style of expressing the absolute truth about the Duggars. Very refreshing thank you. I find it laughable that Josh Duggar really believes he alone will overturn gay rights & Roe vs Wade & do so with his pathetic GED & Pillsbury Dough Boy mentality. Yeah baby that's not going to happen!

KatieP said...

And we're off on yet another boring episode of re runs. Evidentially, the messages I've posted to TLC.com via Feedback is a way TLC has chosen to waste the time of viewers who've posted messages about the Duggars. TLC is not fooling anyone other than themselves.

Wednesday said...

I think its ok that their still swaddling. Some babies really love being swaddled. My 1st daughter loved being swaddled until she was almost a year. My second daughter hated it after a week.

hello said...

After reading this I could hear Michelle saying-- we will make sure that doesn't happen again. As soon as they become engaged the pants will disappear and she will start wearing a long denim skirt and flip flops.

Buckeye said...

Marjorie posing in a pillory - what a perfect representation of her life as a Duggar woman. it is a preview of coming attractions for poor, teenaged Marjorie (and her about-to-beome-over-used uterus). Run, Marjorie! Run fast! Run far!

Dee said...

Re: blanket training. I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but am aware that the baby is disciplined for getting off the blanket.
This has always confused me because it seems like Michelle really espouses this method, obviously starting early in training her kids to be obedient, but I have never seen a more unruly bunch of little hooligans in my life.
Perhaps it's just a matter of caregivers being grossly outnumbered by their charges, but any time they show an at home scene it just seems like it's total chaos. Kids running and screaming, up walking on the kitchen counter, riding scooters indoors, etc.
And totally off topic, but Jackson is constantly picking his nose on camera, at least in the older episodes.
The beloved blanket training doesn't seem to go very far in developing lasting effects.

Missy said...

Thanks go out to Bobbi for answering my question about any replies from TLC, in connection with her comments regarding the Duggars. I am not really surprised that you didn't receive any answers. Guess I won't waste any time trying to get their attention, as obviously they don't care what the viewers think. You hit the nail on the head re: the executives who manage TLC.

Sunshine said...

Anyone notice that when they showed the segment with "Josie's poop," Michelle actualy sat her down on the counter, while trying to decide what to do with her? She tried to hand her off to Jim Bob, who took her for a minute & then handed her off to Joy & Jinger to clean her up. Of course, he made a point of thanking them for, "offering," to take her & clean her up.

Olivia said...

Sunshine, I am amazed as to the serious LACK of parenting by Jim Bob & Michelle both are such incredible self absorbed jerks MINUS ANY DIGNITY!

KatieP said...

Clearly blanket training is serious abuse of an infant. TLC approves of this abuse because they continue to film Jim Bob & Michelle & their hideous cult!

Bertha said...

JB needs to stop talking about Michelle's "past" it has nothing to do with him. What happened in the past is done, so give it a rest. He is so jealous of her, he is abusive-keeping her isolated from friends and family, can only go out with a chaperone, making her wear what he wants.She has to keep her hair long the way he likes it, regardless of what she likes. has no control over the money. He always verbally bashes her for her past, making her feel inadequate. It is verbal and mental abuse, I think she is so brainwashed, she could never tell him to stop the nonsense. So sad t see women in these kind of abusive relationships. He is setting a poor example for his children.

Kay said...

Wow, I missed a lot over that last three days- Erin Bates had her baby, Ben graduated from college (woah, I had no faith that any of them would walk across a stage for a diploma- regardless of my opinions of the duggars, good for him) and Josiah is showing of his jeans wearing girlfriend. Are the last two perhaps signs that the duggar way of life may be in jeopardy in the future? I mean, if they can't get the dumbest person they know to give up education, or get a girl to bend to their will regarding a very basic thing like dress code, what else will they have trouble keeping up as more people join their family?

auntliddy said...

I feel fir Josiah. Ithink he was trying to be free so they sent him to that brainwashing school. Now they want to marry him off at 17 so he has no time to think independently. Its tragic. As fir Ben's college degree- please! Its an associate degree in a christian school with restricted teachings. What is he trained for? Same thing he is now, lawnmower for jim boob. He does like to pontificate, so maybe josh can get him a job at that hate org he works for.

Elspeth said...

I thought Ben's "degree" was an AA from National Park community college which is completely public and not religious at all.

Over IT said...

I watched only the part of the Duggars performance(& I do mean performance) at Bentonville Baptist Church on May 3rd where the kids recited various Bible verses accompanied by the hand movements. That was: "Theater," plain & simple! I just have to wonder if the kids could learn to recite all these verses & do all the hand movements, why can't they put the time & energy into learning: math,phonics, history, geography? I suppose they were paid a tidy sum of money for that performance, but those kids need a basic education. I don't know how the older ones ever passed the requirements for their GED.

auntliddy said...

If so i am wring and thanks for correcting me.

auntliddy said...

She was a thief?! Ka-boom! Mind blown!

auntliddy said...

To be fair, he may having issues with his eyes.

Apple60 said...

So I have seen the previews for the 2-hour season finale. So Michelle and JimBob kissed a lot while dating and she wore a bikini mowing the lawn. And the sin was..... what again. When I was a teenager I wore my suit too mow the three acres the house sat on and no one cared.
JimBob - Michelle was a teenager - typical behavior - why is this still discussed. oh - no one cares about their courtship 30-years ago. Like the Kardashians - look at me - it's all about me! please go away.

Mandy said...

Really who cares what a teen age Michelle wore while mowing the lawn or any of the other things she did as a teen, i.e. cheerleading?Jim Bob knew about all these, "sins" in her past but he still married her. Now everyone has to listen to what a 50 yr. old woman did as a teen. I can 't remember what I wore to mow the lawn when I was a teen. Now all the girls in the family have to pay for Michelle's "sinfully past." These people are nuts & the daughters should not be paying for something that was normal teen behavior & obviously no problem for Saint Jim Bob back in the day. I can't believe how they just decide after many, many yrs that, "oh maybe that behavior was defrauding & now we should make it an important issue in our lives at age 50." After all Jim Bob: Michelle has been washed in the blood of the lamb. Doesn't that mean she's already been forgiven by someone far more important than you?

Olivia said...

Question.. Does anyone who posts at this blog believe Jim Bob & Michelle could handle a true & honest no holes barred interview with a reporter such as someone such as Dianne Sawyer or another respected TV Journslist? I believe they could not face the truth or answers questions honestly. I believe they would run or sprint for the nearest Exit. In other words, particularly Jim Bob would definitely take the Cowards Aporoach. Just the way I see it.

KatieP said...

Mandy. Great post but have to write that Jim Bob will never cease from belittling Michelle about her teenage years because with his limited brain capacity & intelligence, that's the best he's got! I really believe Jim Bob is envious of Michelle's teenage years & perhaps that's the reason he continues to travel that road. Jim Bob is clearly a narcissist & self absorbed. Jim Bob is abusive particularly with his daughters controlling every aspect of their lives including the married daughters as their landlord. Jim Bob & his sexual innuendo is disgusting & inappropriate. He touts the 19 Kids program is a ministry clearly it is not. It's all about the $$$$. Continually Jim Bob insults the viewers of 19 Kids. Jim Bob has fooled himself to believe he's converting the viewing public as to the Gothard Fundie way of life. Not Smart but that's Jim Bob, NOT SMART! Is anyone surprised. I am not.

KimmieH said...

Clearly Jim Bob's mission in life is to become the leader of a cult. Well basically he's already achieved that goal as he!s the leader of the Duggar cult. Because clearly the Duggars are a sick Cult! It's despicable & reprehensible. I continue to write TLC pleading with them to edit Jim Bob, stop the re runs, develop new story lines, Tell Jim Bob to cease discussing the teenage years of Michelle, to ask Jim Bob & Michelle to finally Grow Up! Finally, I ask TLC if they can't or refuse to chane the format of 19 Kids to just cancel the show.

Willow said...

Beautifully said Mandy! We have to remember, after all these years, we realize these people have a very limited brain. They can only retain a few incidents or information, so they have to discuss the same things over and over. Their minds never expand. I am perhaps being a little harsh, but I think it could be true. I am speaking of Jim Bob mostly, but also Michelle. It comes off as if they worked really hard to memorize a few things and can't, or won't, add any updates to their list of "talking points". Michelle needs to put her foot down and tell Jim Bob to stop talking about her past. What can he do about it? He's not going to leave her over it. Please Michelle, THINK.

Mandy said...

Katie P & Kimmie H. You both have hit the nail on the head. Both of you had awesome posts re: Jim Bob & his obnoxious ways. I think the longer the show/ministry has been on the air the worse he's become. Sort of pushing the edges of the envelope.
Kimmie,I think you're wasting time & effort writing to TLC it's obvious to me by what other posters have written, that they don't care about the viewers one bit. As always, it's one of those shows that just has to run it's course & make money for them. Once the money isn't rolling in you won't be seeing the Duggars, at least not on TV. TLC is out for the big bucks plain & simple. In my opinion there's not much more they can show that will be new. It's the same with People magazine. More courting, with different couples, more engagements-different couples, more weddings-different couples, more pregnancies-different couples. Then repeat of pregnancies.

Mindi said...

Olivia, the short answer to your question: Does anyone who posts on this blog think that Jim Bob & Michelle could handle a true & honest no holds barred interview with a respected TV Journalist? The answer is: NO

sandi said...

I also hate when JB puts down Michelle's past.If he would think for a moment,when Jesus died on the cross,He said "It is finished". Guess what JB? IT IS FINISHED!
Get over it and move on

sandi said...

I don't thinkl JB could handle a political debate,either.Imo this is why he ducked out of politics.He isn't willing to answer the hard q's about his radical beleifs and lifestyle,and he isn't willing to compromise on being a bit loose on those in order to move to a higher position than he had last time as state rep.Not to mention,I don't think he could get the votes.And that is despite him being more well known now.JMO

Smokey said...

Jim Bob is such a douche bag. He is constantly griping about Michelle and her baggage just because he was a nerd who couldn't get anyone else to date him and was unpopular. Get over it Jim Bob. Because of your jealousy and your wife's SINFUL WAYS you made your kid's life a nightmare. Even though I don't care much for Dr. Phil, he would have a field day slamming you for constantly bringing up your wife's baggage. Like everyone else said let it go and let your kids live their own lives. You are emotionally abusing your wife every time you do that to her. What a creep.

Smokey said...

I used to love this show now I am so bored with it. Now all you see is trips, weddings, and babies. BORING. Even Josiah's courtship is boring. He never looks really happy in any of the pictures with Marjorie. If he actually is I will be surprised. I do think they are good friends though. I think it is time to cancel this snoozefest. It is all scripted anymore anyway.

Summertime said...

I'm guessing that Auntllidy's comment,"to be fair he might be having issues with his eyes," is in response to a post about the kids appearing tired & rubbing their eyes all the time. It's not just one of the kids. Many of the young ones are either tired or having problems with their eyes. If so, by now that problem should have been addressed by taking them to an eye DR. We would have seen that as we see them going to other appointment, i;e; dentist.

Always said...

RE:The couple of post I've seen where a poster refers to Israel as :Izzy. You just know that whether he's homeschooled or not that's going to become his nickname. It didn't take long for MacKenzie to become:Kenzie.

Missy said...

I just saw part of the episode where the crew was interviewed along with various Duggar family members. Anyone else catch Joy saying how nice it was to have the crew around so much, "as it gives us someone to talk to." That speaks volumes about how isolated those kids are.

Andrea said...

Below is snippets of Ben's mother's day rant on Instagram next to a photo of his Mom and Dad:

"A little late in posting, but I had a wonderful Mother's day with my Mom and wife! I want to give a shout out to my Mom and Dad . . While many parents are abusing their children, earning the condemnation of God, my parents have always been protective of us and by God's grace have made our home a safe haven . . . I realize they're not perfect. No parents are. Yet over the years, as their oldest, I've seen them grow and mature, humble themselves before God and us children and ask forgiveness when they've ever been in the wrong."

This guys is so absolutely arrogant he is a perfect fit with the Duggar family. If I was his mother I'd want to call him out and say "Shout the Front Door. Over the years, you've seen us mature. Who are you to stay that to me as your mother?!" There was absolutely nothing respectful to his parents in that post. Also the mention of child abuse was just bizarre. Here's a hint Ben: Next mother's day write: "Mom I love you! You and Dad are the best." That's all the general public needs to know and all you should have to say about your parents.

sandi said...

Josh is looking more and more like a tater tot.Puffy,round and greasy.JMO

Olivia said...

Sandi, loved the post. Josh should contact Pillsbury & ask to audition as the Pillsbury Dough Boy. I bet he'd be immediately hired.

Bella said...

Hey, Josh Duggar could also become the Michelin Man for Michelin Tires.

Summertime said...

I'm just wondering now about Auntilly's comment: "To be fair he might be having issues with his eyes." That might have been in reference to a poster that mentioned something about baby Israel's not focusing well in pictures. It is perhaps a little early to think anything could be wrong with an infants eyes. Wonder how old he's was when he had his first "well baby check-up?" Being born in the hospital he would have at least been seen by the pediatrician on call.

Autumn Leaves said...

Jim Bob can't keep up with intelligent people who may run for office. He's an idiot. He's not polished, is vocabulary & grammatically challenged, too repetitive, & in essence just a big BORE! No one would vote for him. I just hope Pillsbury Dough Boy Josh never runs for office. This guy is arrogant & unintelligent & also a BORE!

Autumn Leaves said...

Saw a recent photo of Jill, Derick & Israel. Derick was holding Israel Jill seemed detached. Perhaps Jill is a clone of Michelle after all.

KatieP said...

Ben's poor writing & grammar skills absolutely pathetic.

Olivia said...

Re Duggars & homeschooling... Well, Duggars method of homeschooling is a JOKE! Perhaps the Arkansas & DC Borads of Education could initiate & investigation. When episodes of Michelle & Anna homeschooling is aired it's complete & utter chaos & zero control of the class. I don't know how these children learn any important subjects such as, vocabulary/grammar, spelling, math, American history, geography & science. All of these subjects are crucial. My guess is the only subject addressed is Bible stories.

Olivia said...

One more detail... Each of the younger Duggar children definitely are in need of speech therapy. This includes the children of Josh & Anna as well.

Just Wondering said...

RE: Katie P's comment on Ben's poor writing & grammar skills. Please don't you realize your talking about a College Graduate now. Now exactly what type of college is that he just graduated from? Anyone know what he studied there? I saw that they award both Associated Degrees & Certificates. Did he receive an associate Degree?

70'schild said...

Jim Bob's asinine behavior is ridiculous & therefore, I choose to boycot the 19 Kids program. Cleaning closets & preparing items to give away to charity businesses is more interesting.

Ginny said...

RE: Ben's Mother's Day post. What kid writes about his parents not being perfect & how he's seen them mature over the years. Who does this kid think he is? I'm afraid he's already starting to become a clone of Jim Bob & how many more of those can this world take?

Lemon Drop said...

"Issues with his eyes". I think is in reference to Josh and his sunglasses

Autumn Leaves said...

To me everything about Jim Bob & Josh Duggar is repulsive.

Autumn Leaves said...

Recently read that Ben Seewald had a birthday & is now age 20. Also Ben graduated college with an Associate Business (2 years) degree. I wonder if Saint Jim Bob permitted Ben to graduate in ceremony wearing cap & gown since everyone knows Jim Bob despises college & that no one should ever consider college. Jim Bob ahhh the Fool we all know him to be.

KimmieH said...

Several friends & I have chosen to boycot the purchase of People magazine. We will continue to boycot until Prople magazine ceases to promote the Duggars in every publication.

Olivia said...

Yes Ben is arrogant & not very smart. How does that work? I am perplexed.

Sue said...

In almost every picture of Jill since the birth she is lying down. If she's with the baby, he is kind of draped over her and she's not really holding him. She does seem very detached from her baby. Derick seems like he is doing all the work, plus is working at his day job again. Since when does giving birth to a baby make you a queen to be waited upon hand and foot? If Dad is working a real job during the day, why is he obligated to get up in the middle of the night to change the diapers if Mama has to get up anyway to feed the baby? She couldn't cook while she was pregnant, she does't change any diapers???? What kind of a strange and spoiled world does she live in? If she can't, or won't, take care of the baby why in the world did she want to get pregnant for in the first place. These people make no sense.

Sarah said...

Re-watching Jessa's wedding to Bengerman. Why do some posters keep referring to Sierra as "Poof Sierra?" Just curious about that.

Annabelle said...

In a repeat episode today Josh was giving instructions to Derick on how to install a car seat for an infant. Josh was totally wrong in the advise he gave Derick. Marcus should be in a car seat facing backwards until June of 2015. He was born in June 2013 so he won't be 2 yrs old until then. Regulations state the child must be 2 before they can be in a car seat facing forward. Just where does Josh glean all this information from? All he needs to do is follow the instructions or look it up on the internet. He was really degrading Derick for not know the correct way.Derick himself has admitted he hasn't been around babies or small children very often. Also when Jill was assisting at all those births didn't she see some of those babies put in car seats in the proper manner?

Andrea said...

To Sue comment: She does seem very detached from her baby. Derick seems like he is doing all the work, plus is working at his day job again. Since when does giving birth to a baby make you a queen to be waited upon hand and foot? If Dad is working a real job during the day, why is he obligated to get up in the middle of the night to change the diapers if Mama has to get up anyway to feed the baby?

What? Where did you read she doesn't change diapers? I too had a long labour which ended in a c-section and felt completely and total drained and uninterested when my son was finally born. DOn't worry I love my son! Can't fault the girl for the pictures while she is still in the hospital

Buckeye said...

In their usual ignorance, it seems doubtful the Duggars would honestly acknowledge the reality of just how intense and dangerous post partum depression can be and that it does not indicate feminine ungodliness and/or ingratitude to gawd for the new little 'blessing'.

Coleen said...

So...has anyone else read this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3088407/Josh-Duggar-subject-molestation-claims-2005-turned-father-Jim-Bob.html

Sarah said...

Colleen I came here to post exactly that. WTH. That makes me seriously worried for his younger sisters. On the one hand I'm impressed that JimBob turned him in. For someone so concerned with his image I'm relieved to see that he would do the right thing no matter what.

Bella said...

Just watched little Josie Duggar sing. What a sweetheart. It's too bad she has dopes for parents.

KatieP said...

Sarah, the POOF Sierra is derived from an episode when Sierra was sitting on one of the Duggar sofas expressing as usual in her over the top attitude that with Jessa's wedding & the many details to complete everything could go POOF. With great over the top facial expression & hand gestures Surrra made this comment. Frankly, a professional event planner would not come unglued but would roll with the planning as most professional event planners (or the one I worked with for my daughter's wedding) employ staff & things run smoothly. During the planning of my daughters wedding the event planner & staff maintained professional decorum & no one said POOF! The wedding was successful including the reception & Dancing!!

Autumn Leaves said...

Just Wondering, I believe Ben graduated from a college with the names North Park or something of that nature. I am not clear as to the degree Ben earned. The school from which Ben graduated may be a community college. However, when listening to Ben speak he continues to use incorrect grammar. For example... Me & Jessa. (Incorrect) rather Jessa & me or Jessa & I is correct. Hopefully, this information is helpful.

AmieeH said...

Just Wondering, I am a college graduate & earned a Bachelors degree in English/Journalism, (four years) from a reputable State University. Ben's degree is only an Associate degree (two years). Therein lies the difference. However, It's obvious Ben continues to use poor grammar when he speaks. Perhaps when Ben was a college student he didn't attend a class in English or that class wasn't a requirement. I doubt that Ben may have "tested out" of a class in English. Frankly every Duggar including Derick Dillard a grad of OK State Univ where he earned a four year degree in accounting definitely destroy the English language & it's despicable.

Elspeth said...

Ben got an AA from National Park community college in Hot Springs, AR.

Nellie Olson said...

Sarah, Wow Jim Bob turned his son Josh into the police because of inappropriate behavior with a minor. What was the result of this action? I am still surprised to learn this information.

Sunshine said...

Funny that Josh never had a problem with his eyes before. If he is wearing sunglasses in Church during a wedding then he desperately needs to see a Dr. I stand by my post that he thinks he's:Josh Hollywood!

ThisShowIsGettingOldButCan'tStopWatching said...

Total speculation:

I wonder if Jill is maybe going through some postpartum depression or something. She seems like she is in a daze or just going through the motions or something.

I've worked with some labor and delivery nurses who have said that there are some moms who have reported feeling like they can't connect to their babies after having an unplanned c-section. These were often moms that had detailed birth plans that left little wiggle room for alterations in plans should an emergency/complication arise.

Again, this is purely speculation based on the edited clips of what we see into their lives. Hard to really assess the situation when we don't see them 24/7.

NellieO said...

Elspeth, I wonder was Ben allowed to receive his college degree in ceremony wearing a cap & gown? Or did nosey self imposed saint Jim Bob get involved? Just curious.

Not a Mocker said...

Me & Jessa. (Incorrect) rather Jessa & me or Jessa & I is correct.
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Actually it depends on the sentance.
For example:

'Jessa and I went to the store' is correct.
Where as 'Jesse and me went to the store' or 'Me and Jessa went to the store'

But

'The dog belongs to Jessa and me' is correct.
And while it sounds correct 'The dog belongs to Jessa and I' is not.

The trick is to take out then other name. Whatever tense your pronoun (I or me) would be without the other name is the pronoun you'll be using with the name.
And then its as simple as "Name and I" or "Me and Name"


Now I'm not saying Ben's grammar is correct, as I don't know the sentence he uses "Jessa and me" in, or if he uses it exclusively.

Bella said...

Annabelle, oh yeah Josh Duggar the encyclopedia & expert on everything in life. Just ask him. This guy makes me want to Hurl! I just don't like egotistical, self absorbed & elitist Josh Duggar. He's just creepy.

NellieO said...

Annabelle, Clearly Josh has no Filter, no class, no manners, does not know when to keep his mouth closed. Josh definitely exhibits that of one who is a narcissist just as Jim Bob is a narcissist.

Zoey said...

For all we know, the woman in the case may have been the aggressor in jim bobs eyes and josh the victim.

Aimee said...

I think Jill may have some postpartum depression. It is VERY common for mothers, especially after a delivery that did not go the way they planned. She does seem very withdrawn from the baby and everyone else. If this is the case, I am glad that Derick is stepping in to help more than many new fathers. I also pray that she would be allowed time to recover instead of having to "keep sweet" about it all. It may also be that she has had some physical complications after a c-section. A friend of mine who had an emergency c-section, after a long labor, was in the hospital for more than two weeks with infection and pain. Again, if this is the case I hope that Jill receives the medical care that she needs and support from her family. I am sure she is just now realizing that having her own baby is very different than helping delivery other babies or caring for younger siblings.

Esther said...

Regarding Josh Duggar molesting his sister. First of all I do not care for Josh but let's be fair and think this through.

10 years ago Josh was 27 and that was the year Jackson was born (May 23). Thus, the only girls at that time were Jana (15), Jill(14), Jessa(12), Jinger(11) and Joy(7).

They were still in the old house at that time as their home was completed on January 20, 2006.
Thus, they were in the small house with 14 kids, 2 adults and a baby on the way. With so many people and so little room I doubt he could do a thing without everyone knowing.

Plus, if Jim Bob had already had one show on TLC (or was in negotiations) I don't think he would sully his reputation by turning in his son.

I checked the Arkansa courts and there is not one thing on there about Josh or Jim Bob: https://caseinfo.aoc.arkansas.gov/cconnect/PROD/public/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx

Esther said...

Maybe Jill is going through post partum depression. She seems quieter and she wasn't mugging for the camera

Derick wasn't there as he had had surgery and didn't feel up to it...of course she still has him get up in the night to change the diapers since she had a C-section before he had his surgery. She seems to mug more and put on the over-the-top "we are so in love" act when Derick is there for her to hang on to.

I thought back before she had her apprentice midwife certification revoked she knew everything....yet she said she calls her mom and asks her if certain things are normal.

Uh...she is asking that of Michelle who herself seems like she has suffered with post-partum depression for years, if those feelings are normal...what else cold Michelle say?

Dar said...

According to the Daily Mail on Line, JimBob caught Josh coming out of a young girl's bedroom and learned something inappropriate happened. The trooper who took the information never followed up and was, himself, arrested and convicted on Child pornography charges. When Josh' case was looked again, by the Crimes against Children force, the statute of limitations had passed.

There was no further information given as to who was the young child involved. These are only allegations from the Daily Mail. I heard a few years ago about something involving one of the boys, but nothing was substantiated. One would think that if any of this was untrue, there would be a big lawsuit coming from JimBob regarding his son. It is a horrible accusation, and if it were my son, and my name was involved, I would certainly be up in arms and rush to clear it all up. On the other hand, Josh might have being involved in something absolutely innocent and JimBob blew it all out of proportion. To these people, a hug is tabu. I don't particularly like Josh, but I wouldn't want anyone to have that accusation against him if it were not true. It is something that will follow him if he doesn't clear his name. unfortunately.

Bertha said...

I hope Jill doesn't have post partum depression, she would never be allowed to admit it or get treatment. She did plan a natural home birth, and she got an emergency c-section instead. Now she will likely need a c-section for any future children, they are very reluctant to have vaginal births after c-sections due to the liability risk.

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