Josh Duggar, The Continuing Saga

Since the Josh story continues you may begin bringing further news here.

Interview where it says there may have been 20 instances.

GMA.

How churches are complicit.

Heading back to Arkansas  June 9

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cali-girl said...

So, WOW! Maybe TWENTY instances of molestation!!!!
Perhaps now I understand why all the girls sleep together and why the children wear clothes, instead of pajamas.

On another note, I don't think I've read comments on here about what seems, to me, a VERY STRANGE turn of events. Several articles have said that a family friend, at the time of the abuse, wrote a letter, put it in a book, the book was loaned out years later, the letter was discovered in 2006, and reported to police. All this was related to the police by Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar! WHAT???

All I can think of was that one of the victims wrote the letter, in the hope that the story would get out there somehow. Unless writing a letter and putting it away was a form of "therapy" for the victim?

There is something particularly heinous, too, about Josh creeping in while the victims were sleeping to molest them.

If the family excuses Josh's behavior because he was a young teenager, why wasn't there any recognition that he was molesting CHILDREN???

Wondering if much of this goes back to everything is the girls' fault--dress modestly, so not to attract the attention/advances of boys who can't help themselves? Shout "Nike" so your brothers don't see anything on a woman they are not supposed to see. Yet those same boys get to hear over and over again Jim Bob talking about Michelle mowing the lawn in a bikini.

I cannot believe that TLC can even consider continuing the show, just without Josh. Those parents were complicit in the attacks on their young daughters by not reporting their son to the police immediately, and for considering Josh working on a construction site (!!!) his "therapy."

acorn said...

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive". All Jim Bob's and Josh's chicken are coming home to roost. It's time for them to exit stage left and give their poor children some privacy. I am so ready for them to go away. Hope this doesn't drag out too long. I have better things to do with my time but I just can't look away. It's been said before, but it is like rubbernecking to see an accident on the side of the road -- just can't look away.

Bertha said...

I wonder if Michelle's family knew about this scandal. I wonder if that is why we never see them on the show. What does JB's sister think? DId Grandma know?

Suzie said...

Hey, hey, hey, Jim Bob, maybe the hokie pokie IS what it's all about!

Francis said...

Agree with Cali-girl--this Duggar cult promotes the idea that boys/ men can't control themselves sexually. Not only are they treated as such, by all this NIKE nonsense, but they act it out in the home. Jim Bob cant control his mouth or his urges. Josh was sneaking around at night satisfying his curiosity at the expense of his own sisters. YUCK! YUCK! YUCK! This is SICK.

Annie said...

Unless the molester gets treatment and is monitored he/she will continue to molest. It is a fact. Josh needs to stay away from all minors for the rest of his life . PERIOD. he can just skype or write cards for holidays. I doubt his victims will miss his presence. I have been wondering if more instances would surface. Looks like Karma is real after all and will chase him until he is buried. Good.

Have the Keller's made a statement? Where do they stand in all this? They knew all about it supposedly... i wonder if they regret Approving Joshua now.. after all Anna's dad had to pray for a whole month to give permission for a serious relationship between the two of them. Anyone remember that?

Leslie said...

Bertha...You mentioned Jim Bob's sister, Deanna, and Michelle's family and what they may or may not have known. I've wondered the same thing about her, Amy, the Bateses, Grandma and Grandpa Duggar, and plenty of others we've seen around the family. That's one reason why I can't support this show continuing in any form, even if it were just Jill, Derick, Jessa, Ben, and their respective families. Because, while I'd love to know how they (As well as Jana, Jinger, and Joy Anna...) fare through all of this, and while I'd love to see at least some of them try to make a break for it, I know that pretty much everyone would pop up at some point or another. And I'm just as disgusted with Jim Bob, Michelle, and anyone else who knew what was happening and did nothing as I am with Josh! I don't think I can stand to look at any of them at this point!

MCL said...

Could Josh Duggar, parents face jail time?:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/05/26/19-kids-counting-duggar-scandal-molestation?cid=H57183a10


So the SOL does not run out until the victim is 21? hmm...

Tammy C said...

I have to admit I laughed when I saw the joke about going on a double date with his brother and sister when it was first on in 2008.We used to say who do you take to a homeschool prom?it would be your sibling since most of these people are secluded.Thankfully the many homeschoolers I now know are in a coo=op so they meet many others.On that note can you imagine what it was like for the 2 opposite sexed siblings to have been chaperons and portraying that they are dating.

Sad situation that will never be forgotten by anyone soon.

cat said...

20 times? I didnt hear about that, but wow! I hope they dont bring them back, you wouldn't be able to believe anything they had to say, and just looking at them, knowing what happened to those girls and J& m, not doing anything for them.

Susie said...

I wish these Duggars would watch TV. They would learn so much.

Buckeye said...

Wait. we, the grossly unholy from whom Duggard-types must be protected and insulated, are, to repeat Huckabee's sentiment, blood thirsty for revenge against poor, repentent, and, so, forgiven, Josh Duggar? What happened to that industrial strength 'accountability' the Duggars so piously tout? Where is that supreme accountability in this matter?

and what about their just God, whom the Duggars constantly remind us, MUST punish us, the worldly sinners, in order to provide that justice? I guess their God only 'sees fit' to deliver forgiveness and justice to the men folk of this incredibly twisted and ignorant sect (read 'CULT'), while we temptress women must be accountable for all, INCLUDING the male perversions we endure at their hands. That is quite an odd God. I now laugh that I formerly thought the gods of Greek mythology had the corner on the STRANGE GOD market,

What have we learned, class? Let's start with: show me a family utterly obsessed about all things sexual, and I'll show you perversion hiding behind their public showiness of ethical superiority. The more complete the control of any church by a male-only population, the more responsibility and blame for all sin will be immediately placed on the women folk - failure to forgive a male for even the most heinous behavior will be summed up and defined NOT by the manly sin, but, rather, by some ambiguous womanly failure that CAUSED the male to sin - then the woman's obvious guilt will be exponentially multiplied If she is unable/unwilling to forgive those manly transgressions. keep 'Em ignorant (college is far too worldly and sinners hide in every bush, just waiting to steal virtue from 'believers'), followed by complete subservience and 'availability' to their husband coupled with a very strong dose of scientifically-bogus 'birth control causes spontaneous abortion', tack on the expectation of total isolation from all except like-minded lay holy 'believers', and one need not be a statistician to figure the oh-so-slim odds of womanly fulfillment of individual potential.

I already knew politicians were disingenuous, self serving profiteers (Mike Huckabee, I'm talking to you), and now I can add to this disgusting category, without a single second of further contemplation, those, like the Duggars, who so proudly judge others as sinful, while hiding their own sins in the bottom of their homemade soap box.

PS - thanks, Sharla especially for the cited article on the blatant hypocrisy of some churches - SO SADLY TRUE.

Bonnie Washington said...

Child abuse and molestation is so damaging that it causes changes in the victims all the way down to the genetic level. It changes the very signature of who you are forever. Josh and his parents say he made teenage mistakes and repented his sins, just as any other teenager that maybe shoplifters a candy bar. He even got counseling by doing manual labor. Wow he can do something so grievous it could change the victim's own genetic makeup but all he needed to do to make it right is to pray and learn to use a hammer. If his parents are so blind to the danger their daughters were in what else are they blind to.

Another thing that is so wrong about this is the lack of opportunities the victims had to let someone else know what happened. The isolation these kids lived in by being homeschool, home churches and prevented from being with other people without proper chaperones gave them little to no recourse. All states have mandatory reporting laws, but if your mom is your teacher and your dad is your minister and you don't go anywhere without your family constantly around how do you get help? A victim can forgive their abuser but that doesn't mean that you don't require the abuser to be accountable and pay for the crime. If making everything better by asking God for forgiveness, then living a Christian life is all that a person should do then we wouldn't need to spend as much as we do on prisons. Can you imagine the number of people sitting in prison for 5,10, 15 years for possession of pot and Josh got a choice job at FRC and kids of his own.

Sharon said...

I need it explained to me how molestation changes genetic encoding.

Beth Anne said...

RE: If the family excuses Josh's behavior because he was a young teenager, why wasn't there any recognition that he was molesting CHILDREN???

I am absolutely appalled as well, but JB and Michelle are emphatically claiming that Josh was redeemed fully and, in essence, born again, and therein lies somewhat of a dilemma. I cannot be in Josh's heart, and his relationship with God is his and his alone, so maybe he did have a miraculous recovery and is fully, completely healed of all sexually deviant tendencies. But, he just seems to smug for his own good, all the time, and I think if he were truly a "reformed" man, he would literally have manned up and done his penance (i.e., juvenile detention or other legal punishment) rather than continue on his merry way, acting holier than thou at his wedding about his first kiss and spewing all that purity talk.

And JB and Michelle may, to a degree, be successfully pulling the "he was fully reformed" card over some of the masses, but certainly not all. And I think they know, deep, deep in their hearts, that Josh is not fully reformed, but they keep putting on the facade of a perfect Christian family.

Bonnie Washington said...

Shannon-

"I need it explained to me how molestation changes genetic encoding."

There are several web sites that discuss the studies verifying the subject. It basically has something to do with the hormone cortisol that is produced during times of stress. The changes occur in the RNA not DNA but these changes leaves the victims to higher chances of mental health problems, heart disease, cancers and many other illness. Type in genetic changes in childhood abuse and you get many sites that help explain. Some are easier to understand and some are geared to more advanced health professionals. I'm a survivor of childhood abuse and when I became a parent I worked really hard at making sure I understood what I went through and how to protect my children from it.

Sharon said...

Ah, what came up is understandable: epigenetic is not the same as genetic.

Wowsas said...

Just re-watched Digging In with the Fuggars with this new "lens". Ben looks like he's about to spring up out of his seat to throttle Josh, especially when Josh attempts to tease him about diapers. Ben seems totally tense and angry. Anna is clinging to Josh the whole time like he's about to slip down a drain or something. Jessa seems disgusted by the M name thing. Jinger and Jessa just seem meek and a little broken. Then, Jill's appearance is just weird. It seems like she's holding someone else's baby and she just seems sad and as though she doesn't want to be there. What kind of dental surgery did Derrick have that laid him up so bad that on the second day he was unable to just sit there or hold Israel. The cracks are becoming visible in that family in their season finale.

Sharla said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-molestation-case-another-bombshell-revealed-josh-sued-the-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201

coleen said...

Daily Mail article regarding why Josh was absent in his sisters' wedding parties.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099475/Jill-Duggar-wedding-mystery-solved-thought-odd-Josh-s-family-served-position-wedding-party-left-makes-sense-guest-reveals.html

Too Tragic said...

If TLC creates a spinoff showcasing the girls and their families, and the girls and husbands agree to do it, they will have learned nothing from these events, and will be making the same irreversible, fundamental, selfish, egregious error in judgment that Jim Bob and Michelle made when they first sold out their family's privacy for mega dollars. The husbands should be saying to the media, "No more articles, statements, interviews, photo ops, videos, or shows. We understand your interest, but please allow us privacy as we reevaluate our way of life, make changes, and recover from traumatic events." When the babies are eighteen and want to be on TV, okay. They can live with the consequences of their decision. For now, it is their parents' job to protect them and their privacy and not use them as cash cows which is what a spinoff would amount to.

The announcement I want to hear is that Jim Bob is giving each of his adult children $200,000 to start independent lives; the younger children are enrolled in public or private school; the girls may cut their hair and wear pants; Jim Bob donates a million dollars to organizations that help abused children; Josh and Jim Bob pay their just penalties for breaking laws; all ties with Gothard institutions and Gothardite friends are severed immediately; and everyone is in professional counseling. For starters. They can still be Christians.

This tragedy will only turn around if the Duggars have access to people outside their faith (Gothardism) who can advise and deprogram them, and they, especially Jim Bob, listen and act upon counsel. Not likely to happen, but one can hope.

Elspeth said...

Jim Bob owes them a lot more than $200K each.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/josh-duggar-sued-the-state-of-arkansas-when-it-began-investigating-him-for-sexual-assault/

Pearl Girl said...

Buckeye,
EVERYTHING you wrote was completely on point!

Pearl Girl said...

Wowsas,
I saw the finale from the same lens you did. "I'm pregnant. I cry," Anna said. I doubt that's why she had tears in her eyes. Jill showing up, at the end, without Derick, was also very telling. She looked completely distant from the family. Josh's comment about Jessa not being able to keep secrets, and wiggling his eyebrows at her was just...gross. These people need to get off TV and stay off. The facade has cracked, and the party is over. Go home to the compound, Duggars. We see the real you, now.

Bonnie Washington said...

Just read the police report regarding Josh molesting young girls and in the report it states that when JimBoob found out he went to the church elders and asked for suggestions in how to help. One of men it was stated was a chaplain at the Piney Ridge program at the Vista Hospital. If this man was a legit chaplain (JimBoob inflated things sometimes) then again there was another person legally obligated to report this to the police. The law states that 14 and older sex abuse is reported to the police. This man in addition worked in a rehab program that worked with youth like this. He was in a position to know the law and the consequences of kids like this needing the counseling. There are so many people in this story that covered up for the Duggars. These are Christianns? There's a passage in the Bible that says that Satan will appear as an angel of light and his followers will quote from the Bible. I think some people need to take a hard look at who they are really following.

Patsy said...

I hope TLC kept out 15% of $$$ paid to JB for the minor kids show participation as required by law (?). The married kids I am sure had their own $$$ contract with TLC. The adult/majority age "kids" in the Duggar compound should have had separate contracts but I doubt it. All monies earned by the Duggars need to be audited/accounted for now and $$$ distributed to the adults still living at home or put into accounts (if not already)for the minor kids.

This is something that JB can be held accountable for and can give the "kids" the means to make choices for themselves in the future.

Elspeth said...

There is no "Coogan" law in Arkansas. It is not a federal law, but one in California that New York and Pennsylvania have modeled one after.

Curious said...

It would be interesting to see Jim Bob's tax returns for the last 10 years.

Wowsas said...

CNN had a few very interesting stories on tonight about the Duggars, including a rep from Recovering Grace who said without a hint of doubt in his voice that there is no way that Josh got actual counseling because of the Gothard skepticism of professional counseling. Gothard after all has claimed to be a counselor and is not. Also, Dr. Drew Pinsky railed against the family for keeping the victims under the same roof as Josh and for not getting him treatment. He said for some molestation is a sexual orientation and how would you know in this case. Very interesting commentary. If there is any "silver lining" here it is that this is putting a spotlight on ATI, Gothard, etc. the same discussions that have been happening quietly for years here in DWOP and Free Jinger are seeing the light of day in the popular press.

cat said...

Derricks brother came out with a statement, he is fully supporting Josh and the Duggars. I thought that would have been the family that would help them, Im shocked, well, not really

somewhere in virginia said...

with sponsors pulling out and more bad news coming every day if probably to better off to 19 kids and counting.

Phoenix said...

Just watched a small segment (the opening) of 14 Kids and Counting on YouTube. Apparently, it was one of the first specials that aired in 2005 (Wikipedia), when the abuse was for sure happening/happened. It's one thing to read how the "younger" sisters were abused; however, that episode really captures just saw young the sisters were at that time, the dark circles around the eyes, the keeping "sweet" smiles, it just broke my heart. Then it made me angry to see the parents and Josh hungry for the cameras. It's disgusting. It's also so sad that it has been leaked out that it was probably his sisters. They are possibly reliving the trauma and their religion doesn't allow them to seek proper counseling or truly internalize that this is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form. I really feel bad for the innocent family members.

As a separate thought, I really think that this show now needs to be a wake-up call for the limits of reality television when children are involved.

Theresa Gill said...

Excellent article to read on Josh Duggars a-not-pology

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-and-the-anatomy-of-a-not-pology/

Willow said...

I think Josh was taunting Jana and Jessa in that final episode because he blames them for something (telling on him, whatever it might be). He was disgusting and I felt something was wrong that night when I watched it. As many have said, looking back on it, it is just creepy. I think the Duggars and TLC knew for some amount of time that the jig was probably up. If In Touch mag had investigators, as they said they did, you know the word got out around NW Arkansas. I think TLC threw together those last couple of episodes or so, to kind of smooth things over. Michelle's little speeches were a dead give-away. They tried to throw water on the fire with all the comments - again - about Michelle and her bikini, like "teenagers do things". Then she had the nerve to double-down about girls tempting guys. I think the episode of the crew talking was also odd and possibly thrown together for damage control. Also wonder why Jim wasn't on it when he was the most famous crew member. Could be coincidence, but it makes me wonder. I am just pondering on these issues and just my opinions of course.

One other thing I wanted to say. I think Jim Bob was WAY to gushy with both Jill and Jessa prior to them walking down the aisle. JMO. Especially Jill. It jumped out at me at the time but does even more so now. Not saying anything specific, or making any accusations, its just that they are an odd family compared to what I am used to.

CatMom said...

One of the few things I can figure on this is that the Duggars have always separated themselves from the rest of the world. They are Godly Christians and we are Worldly unbelievers. They believe that because they have "repented" from a serious sin publicly, that God forgives them, and they (Duggars and other fundamentalists) are only subject to God's law. If everyone in their small circle forgives them, then it's okay. They only feel attached to like-minded people because they believe they are morally better than the WORLD. The problem with this is that the real world is ruled by law. If I molested someone, I would ask the victim's forgiveness and God's as well. HOWEVER, I would certainly also expect to be punished in a juvenile facility, prison, probation, or whatever because I live in the WORLD with others...others whom I have wronged.

Stella said...

TLC'S '19 KIDS AND COUNTING'
If You're Betting ...
PUT $20 ON CANCELLATION
1 Hour Ago

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/05/28/19-kids-and-counting-tlc-cancellation-duggar

It is way more likely than not that TLC will cancel "19 Kids and Counting" ... this according to sources connected with the network.
As it was put to us, "If you're betting, you'd be wise to put money on the show getting cancelled."
Our sources say there are several reasons why sentiment inside the network leans in the direction of cancellation. First, TLC honchos feel betrayed that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar did not disclose the fact that Josh had confessed to molesting 5 young girls, some of whom were his sisters.
The other reality ... as TMZ reported, advertisers are bailing left and right, and the network is in the business of making money.
There's also a notion at TLC that they need to clear the decks of scandals. They did it swiftly with "Honey Boo Boo," and there's a strong feeling the right thing to do is cancel the Duggars as well.
When you combine anger with money, the fate of the show becomes pretty clear.

Pam said...

Just read on TMZ that Hulu pulled the show. Getting closer.

Karin said...

Just a few thoughts. I remember the look of fear on JimBob and Michelle's faces when Josh and Anna announced they were moving to D.C. Perhaps they were not only upset with losing their grandchildren but also feared this scandal would be brought up eventually.

Also, I know that teachers are mandated reporters for sexual abuse and parents are not. But Michelle was also telling the world how she is her children's teacher. She should be found disqualified to be a teacher from now on.

capslock said...

On the Dishing With The Duggars, Anna says to Ben that he needs to keep up with Jim Bob's tradition: "Mama takes care of the north end and Daddy takes care of the south end." Is this not sexual in some way?!

Susie said...

What does Dan Dillard do? In other words, how does he earn a living?

Linda said...

Thinking that perhaps Ben's family fears the loss of the cash cow that 19 Kids was, and that's why they've given their support. After all, they allowed young Ben to live on the compound being Jim Bob's errand boy for TV time. That's truly sad.
Also, the Dillard's support feels similar. There was a good thing going, until the truth started coming out into the open. The young marrieds had probably known that a spin off was possible... more money in the future. Now...the death throes have begun. In the future, when no more money is to be had, the stories might be different. Especially when they learn how much money could be made from a tell all book!

Leigh Ann said...

The 15% doesn't have to be saved for the future, it just has to be used to benefit the child that earned it. So that includes spending it on things like housing, clothes, food. But the Duggars don't spend that much on their kids. The house is paid for, clothes are second-hand and hand-me-downs, they get services (like music lessons)donated, anything that goes on while filming (outings, restaurant meals, etc.), is paid for by TLC. I suppose they have some school expenses, Switched On Schoolhouse and College Plus cost money. But I don't get the idea that Josh, Jill or Jessa started out their marriages with a nice nest-egg, either. Unless it's in a savings account and Jim Bob has brainwashed it into them not to spend a penny of it. But then again, they were all adults and earning their own checks before they got married. Those three have to be sitting on more money than let anyone believe. They'd just like people to believe they're newly weds just scraping by. Of course, having a good savings' account is a good idea, you never know when your past might come back to haunt you and you have to resign from your job.

If this show ends, no one in that family is going to be hungry or homeless. At least not in the immediate future. Josh and Ben are eventually going to have to get jobs but I think there's money to keep them all afloat.

I'd just like to see, when each child turns 18, from Jim Bob to hand over that child's share of the TLC money to do with it as they wish, including moving out and going to college or setting up their own home somewhere.

coleen said...

I agree with the other commenters, I believe '19 Kids' will be canceled too. But I think TLC will do the spin-offs after time has passed aka 'Kate plus 8' specials. For example, if the rumor mill about Derick and Jill moving is true, then TLC might wait a year until they are settled and shoot a special. The year will probably give Ben and Jessa time to 'grow-up' as well as the other adult children. A year can make a difference. The specials could show more mature young adults living lives they or the viewing audience could've never imagined for them.

coleen said...

Funny or Die just released their 'comments' on the Duggar scandal.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/funny-or-die-mocks-the-duggars-for-ignoring-their-daughters-in-family-sex-abuse-scandal/

KatieP said...

Pam, yeah!!! Cheers!!! Once the Duggars are permanently pulled, my friends & I will plan a "the Duggars are Done" party & we will be drinking cocktails to celebrate. Now, Jim Bob try to control that decision. You will NOT!!

CatMom said...

I was curious, so I found an old episode of "14 Children and Pregnant Again" on You Tube. In the last part where the Duggars are moving from their old house to a temporary new one before their most current home was finished, Josh has a severely shaved head. Could this have pointed to the supposed ALERT days after the molestation? When I saw how little Joy Anna was in that video, I almost cried to think of that baby and Josh touching her. Heartbreaking.

TotallyANanny said...

While I don't agree with Rick Santorum's political viewpoints, I have to applaud him for being one of the first politicians who used to be Duggar supported who spoke out saying that what happened is not right and that he feels for the victims/survivors.

Hopefully more politicians will see his example and copy.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyorley/rick-santorum-says-he-is-sickened-by-the-josh-duggar-sex-abu#.oeB7DxX6b

Cedric said...

I know! Generally when scandals break esoeciasly one of this magnitude, & the fact that Josh & Anna owed several years of back taxes, it wouldn't surprise me if the IRS will launch an investigation of Jim Bob & Michelle. I bet they will find many interesting things about this idiot. Jim Bob the sleeze that he is will probably convey to the IRS that his compound is a church & therefore he's tax exempt. I don't believe in this instance that lie will fly. Ole Jim Bob guess his water walking days are numbered.

KimmieH said...

How's that lame GED working for Josh now?

Dee said...

This situation is horrible. It is nice to have a place to come read news and opinions though. Thank you, Sharla, for allowing us to do this.
I will admit that I am spending more time than I should arguing with Duggar supporters on other sites. I try not to engage them, but if I make a stand alone comment and one of them starts in with their 'he was just a kid and he said he's sorry' or 'he's been forgiven, so who are we to judge' or the absolute most irritating ones coming from those who haven't bothered to read a full account of the incidents and keep saying things like 'it was probably just him fooling around with someone his own age and his parents freaked out...what's the big deal' well, I admit I will jump into the fray.
I feel like if I type the phrase 'Child molestation is not a mistake; it is a crime' one more time I'll go nuts.
I know I can't change these nimrod's minds and am not sure why I bother. If people can hear about little girls being sexually molested, some of them by their own brother, and simply brush it aside because the boy happens to come from a 'good Christian family' there really is very little hope for them. It both astounds me and makes me sad.
Anyway, thanks for listening.

Leigh Ann said...

"Perhaps they were not only upset with losing their grandchildren but also feared this scandal would be brought up eventually."

It would have been brought up if he'd decided to run for office. I don't think we need to worry about a President Duggar anytime soon. Maybe by the time Jackson is old enough it'll be an old enough story.

Mary said...

Hi

I wonder about the crew.. You know how children talk. Maybe these children saw a friend,protecter in the TLC crew



Mary

kdliberty said...

I have noticed it over and over again. Parents that control their children's lives as much as the Duggars end up with some pretty screwed up kids. I wonder how long until someone dies from a drug overdose? or one of the daughters turns up unmarried and pregnant? This turn of events doesn't surprise me...

Special Ed Lady said...

I really doubt Jim Bob and Michelle were upset about .osing their grandchildren. They do not seem to pay much attention to them. I think they were afraid all of the things about Josh would come up.

Think ahead said...

Jim Bob: Michelle, TLC just called and everyone loved our specials so much, they want to turn it into a regular show!
Michelle: Wow, our ministry could reach millions! Should we say yes?
Jim Bob: Absolutely! What could possibly go wrong?

Buckeye said...

Anyone who is as sick of the sanctimonious Duggars, as I, check out "Funny or Die Mocks the Duggar Scandal". this satire nails these two morons, including Michelle's animatronic eyes, roadkill 'do and baby doll voice along with Jim Bob's Howdy Doody pickin' & a'grinnin' used car salesman fake smile.

Arkansas, these people are embarrassing your state! they make me wonder if it really would be the worst thing ever to require passage of a very basic IQ test in order to earn voting privileges.

I have had so much more than my fill of the ignorance-of-impressive-degree Duggar Dogma. If TLC had any genuine integrity, they'd have permanently fired the entire Duggar clan as quickly as they ditched with that other brain trust show, "Honey Boo Boo".

Andrea said...

okay, their absences from Social Media is so telling. Even Amy hasn't posted anything! I mean, I cannot believe that nothing has been posted in days.

I wanted to point out that Derick last post on instagram likely pointed to the brewing scandal. Next to a photo of the baby and Jim Bob, he wrote:
Grandpa Duggar's first time to get to hold his grandson, Israel. #israeldaviddillard #grandpaduggar

This was on May 21st shortly before the scandal broke. In retrospect very telling why Derrick won't want his child around Jim Bob.

Esther said...

Dan Dillard posted this 16 weeks ago:
http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-458416866/justdand/photos/ig-911280400727092888_458416866

Wonder what he was talking about.

Esther said...

Anonymous Susie said...

What does Dan Dillard do? In other words, how does he earn a living?


Here is Dan Dillard's Facebook:

http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-458416866/justdand/photos
Hover over each picture.


http://www.westarkbsa.org/ViewMyPage.aspx?t=%2FypN1%2Bo6szvn5aYHs1e47q4q9TrcX9LMaiqIgKzEVrQ%3D

Eshter said...

Dr Drew.....Can Josh Duggar, Jim Bob Duggar and Michelle Duggar face jail time?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/05/26/19-kids-counting-duggar-scandal-molestation

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http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/05/27/19-kids-counting-josh-duggar-molestion-counseling

Chloe said...

Dee obviously the dimwits can't handle your intelligence. My Dad once said don't argue with ignorant uneducated people they'll never get it & you will leave feeling frustrated. It's your choice to continue working to educate these idiots but just wanted to share that piece of advice.

Esther said...

Anonymous Willow said...

I think Josh was taunting Jana and Jessa in that final episode because he blames them for something (telling on him, whatever it might be).

..... all the comments - again - about Michelle and her bikini, like "teenagers do things". Then she had the nerve to double-down about girls tempting guys.

I think Jim Bob was WAY to gushy with both Jill and Jessa prior to them walking down the aisle. Especially Jill.


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You mean when Josh Duggar told Jessa Duggar Seewalk she couldn't keep a secret. How about the time Josh Duggar said that Jill was a tattletale. Gee, Josh Duggar whatever could Jill Duggar Dillard have tattled on you for that makes you so unhappy?


Are you referring to Jim Bob Dugggar holding Jill Duggar's hand before she got married and she said something about it being like when she and Derick hold hands. (Puke.) And how Jim Bob Duggar told Jessa Duggar Seewald she was the most beautiful? (Hey, Michelle Duggar ...did you catch that?)

May said...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7432386?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 "Dear Duggar Family Children" from the Huffington Post. I thought this was well written and really quite lovely. I think we all feel for the Duggar children and hope that the older girls especially may find peace.

Esther said...

Why Josh wasn't in Jill's wedding ~ Mystery Solved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099475/Jill-Duggar-wedding-mystery-solved-thought-odd-Josh-s-family-served-position-wedding-party-left-makes-sense-guest-reveals.html

HistorianMom said...

You know the statistics say that about 90% of child molestors were themselves molested as children. My guess is that Josh was a victim before he was a perpetrator. That Gothard organization is full of child molestors, and what are the odds that Jim Bib's cop buddy turned out to be a pervert, too? The people need to keep a very close eye on who has access to the rest of their children.

Stella said...



Why hasn't '19 Kids and Counting' been canceled? It's complicated

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/28/media/tlc-19-kids-and-counting-scandal/index.html

Allison said...

Dan Dillard posted this 16 weeks ago:
http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-458416866/justdand/photos/ig-911280400727092888_458416866

Wonder what he was talking about.


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I think that's something Michelle Duggar posted on their FB page. I wouldn't think much of it. He probably just copied it down. And I believe she wrote it in response to being anti-gay marriage.

Maxine said...

I fully believe the girls will now go through another series of abuse. As the free fall continues, I believe the girls will be forced to come out in support of Josh. They will be made to share their "testimonies" of how they forgave their brother and they all grew closer to God.

Also, I wonder what the Batses knew. If they didn't know, they should be mad as hell that a sexual predator was welcomed into their home, or that they brought their young children into the home of a predator.

Finally, I'm not surprised by Michael Seewald's comments, but I am happy about his statement tell victims it is not their fault and encouraging them to tell someone. JimBob, Michelle and Josh have certainly said nothing of the sort publicly.

Sharla said...

Here's an evangelical perspective. Forgiveness does not equal trust.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/biblenewsradio/if-forgiving-josh-duggar-for-molesting-his-victims-is-all-it-takes-then-mike-huckabee-evangelism-explosion-ray-comfort-todd-friel-should-hire-him-to-be-the-face-of-their-ministries/

EB4ever said...

Money talks! So I went and bought a bunch of General Mills cereal and communicated on there website that the reason I did that was because they pulled advertising out from 19 kids. If there is a large amount of public support for companies that do this hopefully there will be no more advertisors left and they will have to cancel the show for good!

Esther said...

Andrea said...

I wanted to point out that Derick last post on instagram likely pointed to the brewing scandal. Next to a photo of the baby and Jim Bob, he wrote:
Grandpa Duggar's first time to get to hold his grandson, Israel. #israeldaviddillard #grandpaduggar

This was on May 21st shortly before the scandal broke. In retrospect very telling why Derrick won't want his child around Jim Bob.

5/28/2015 4:25 PM


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Good one, Andrea! He was born April 7th and that lame interview with Michelle holding Izzy away from her was when he was 4 weeks old. So Jim Bob was in the same room with him then but didn't hold him until later? (OR was that just an old picture Derick posted to have something ---anything--to post?)

Esther said...

I wonder how long the Duggars have known this was going to break.
Jill pointed out thta her baby's name means "God will prevail".

Esther said...

Anonymous Marily said...

May I ask a few questions to those who know?
1. Has Oprah made any public comment since the story broke?
2. She they were supposed to appear on Oprah back in 2006, was it widely known? Was there ever speculation as to why their appearance on her show was canceled?
3. Does anyone have any educated guesses as to who tipped off In Touch to request the police report? Thank you for any help.

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https://www.facebook.com/269181913180625/photos/pb.269181913180625.-2207520000.1432863054./747483938683751/?type=3&theater

(click forward to read the rest of the info.)


"a family friend wrote down the accusations in a letter that was then placed in a book in the Duggars’ home. Sometime during 2006, the Duggars loaned the book to another person and the letter was discovered."

If Jim Bob supposedly reported it in 2002 and it happened again in 2006, to the young lady, from their "homechurch",(to whom Josh was betrothed) when did said betrothed one ever report to the police what happened to her. Yes, the young girl's info is then included in the 33 page document with all of the victims in it that was brought about by Oprah receiving a letter. BUT, how did the police know to question the betrothed if she never filed a police report. Did they find out from Oprah? and if it was from Oprah how did Oprah know about the siblings? (An insider who told Oprah very well could have known....maybe someone in the homechurch who heard Josh's confession ?)

Could that someone be one who actually knew the family very well, like the betrothed girls family would have since they went to that homechurch and the betrothed was also a victim? (The dad of the betrothed and Jim Bob have been said to not only have gone to school together at the Shiloh Christian school since 7th grade, but the family was part of that tiny "homechurch" and even helped the Duggars move to the TTH.

Being such good friends, wouldn't they have heard Jim Bob bragging that they were going to be on Oprah? Wouldn't they also have known that (as that info in the link above stays) Mary and Josh got on the phones and call places, begging for donations?

If Josh confessed to his "homechurch" members about what he had previously done to his sisters then when he messed with his betrothed they realized he was continuing on that same pattern.

Could messing with that young girl be how so much insider info was known and sent to Oprah? (I don't think Oprah would have sent it to the authorities, unless they had proof...and someone who knew the story would have times, places, dates and more.)

Maybe not the parents of the betrothed or the young girl who notifyed Oprah, but someone who saw the hurt of the young girl and was mad as an old wet hen.

Esther said...

You all are doing great contacting the sponsors, using the CEO's linked in. (Please see previous list. I sent an update last night to the http://duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2015/05/free-discussion-may-2015.html on just the ones that I didn't have the linkedin information on, before.)

Arlene Lester, a spokeswoman for the insurer State Farm, said in an interview on Thursday that the company had removed advertising from “19 Kids and Counting” and any other Duggar-related shows that TLC might have, but would continue running ads on the network.

For now, however, many of the companies that have distanced themselves from “19 Kids and Counting” indicated that they would still advertise on TLC.

Syndee said...

"The more complete the control of any church by a male-only population, the more responsibility and blame for all sin will be immediately placed on the women folk - failure to forgive a male for even the most heinous behavior will be summed up and defined NOT by the manly sin, but, rather, by some ambiguous womanly failure that CAUSED the male to sin "

I don't know the bible that well, but isn't this the Adam and Eve story? Wasnt' it all her fault?

Beth said...

I think it's interesting how so many things that seemed odd or out of place before make soooo much sense now with this new information, things like Jinger's speech at the wedding rehearsal while crying about how Jessa helped her through her hardest times (at the time no one could fathom what hard thinks Jinger would have went through in her life, now we know), weird interactions w/Josh & siblings, I previously thought it was so strange how they were so nonchalant about Josh maybe not making it to Jessa's wedding (I mean normally you would think it would be very super important to be at a sibling's wedding), I could go on & on, I'm sure if someone wanted to take the time they could restart watching the series from the beginning & have a mile long list of things that now make sense with this new knowledge (not to mention a list of contradicts a few miles long)

Rosie Banks said...

Its like playing chess with a pigeon

Sharon said...

I have a vision of when the patriarchy followers and especially the leaders get to knocking on Heaven's door and in their accounting for their sins, the first mark is that they didn't treat their wives, daughters, and women in general as equals and with respect.

Sharla said...

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11295651_750412211724257_3909584871955356191_n.jpg?oh=0b881412fd96f04a0f56ee878af1b997&oe=55C41A4D

Josh apologists bingo card.

Chloe said...

In the sicko land of cultdom women are treated as objects & basically doormats. I wonder what type of women just merrily go along with these absurd rules that govern their lives. I think it could be women with limited education & ones who were abused in the past or women that may desire to be dominated or women just brainwashed (the Duggar girls) from childhood who do not know better, women who believe they have no other choice or women believing they are obeying God? I just can't understand in this 21st century where women have many opportunities why a woman would want to become engaged in a cult that minimizes & objectifies women? I just can't get my head around that concept as well as the continual procreation thing. It's really disturbing to me. Any thoughts?

Paul said...

My wife is a psychic sensitive and clairvoyant, meaning she "reads" people very quickly with "clear seeing.", and boy is she accurate!! Usually she will need to be In the presence of a person to get an accurate read on them. However, when we first starting watching the show, she immediately sensed a psychosexual disorder and narcissism with Josh. She's really good, but this time she hit it out of the park! When watching the the "Digging In" special we were BOTH disgusted when he teased Jessa about keeping secrets, and then trying to hijack most of the interview for attention on him. It was also very obvious that Jana and Jinger didn't appreciate his teasing about them not being in courtships. He was laughing and digging, but it was obvious they were not comfortable AT ALL.

We've both been disgusted by JB's overtly sexual innuendos and jokes, always followed by that ridiculous laugh. Maybe Grandma and Grandpa Duggar, and none of the TLC producers told him it's uncouth to laugh at your own "humor", especially when no one else is laughing. (Crickets) As a Christian man I was horrified when Michelle talked about how "that poor man across the street had to try not to look, or try to look away" when she was mowing the grass in her bikini (and THAT must be the reason that family didn't like hers). She's telling her daughters and all other impressionable girls that men can't control their sexual desires (enter Jim Bob and Josh), but we CAN!! My sister AND my wife mowed the grass in bikinis too. It was the 1970s and that was pretty par for the course.

It is NEVER the female's obligation to dress like spinster school marms and water ski in skirts to ensure they're not victims of sex crimes. It is the MALE 's obligation to control his urges and temptations! That is why we have laws against sexual abuse, but NOT laws against dressing in a flattering manner, or in a way appropriate for the event, like swimming. This family is as backward as any I've seen and it's embarrassing that they claim to be Christians like my family and me. I haven't read many male opinions on this blog, but I thought maybe you'd want to know one. My wife called Josh out years ago and I wish I'd really believed her then. (I kept watching every week, but she couldn't stomach it, especially if Josh was in it). I'm secure enough to say that i didn't fully believe her, but I was wrong. She nailed that creep within MINUTES of watching him on TV.

If our son had molested our daughters, he'd have been in juvie and in long-term counseling with a clinical child psychologist. Our daughters would have also received counseling with a child psychologist to help them deal with the long-term pain they'd experience if they were to stuff it and internalize it, believing THEY were in some way complicit. This family is a train wreck. I'm now agreeing with my wife and I'm done with them!

Esther said...

Two more advertisers have now back out! All State and Firehouse. You all are doing great!
They were ones we have had a way to directly reach the CEO! (info found in previous posthere on DWOP)


Cedric said...

Sharon in the land of Cults, women are thought of as lower than a dog or cat. It's sick. After thorough research regarding Cults in the USA, this was the general consensus of the manner in which a Cult functions. The positive outcome is most Cults eventually end. However many (as the past has shown) end tragically. I wonder what old man jerk Gothard is thinking about all of this publicity regarding one of his favorite families the Duggars & this scandal which I hope the man realizes is having a definite negative impact upon his Cult kingdom. I hope he feels it in his wallet. hope Gothard realizes the subliminal messages touted by Jim Bob & Michelle via 19 Kids pretend ministry is Not Working to convert viewers to the nasty Fundie lifestyle. I hope Gothard is aware of this blog. I hope Gothard is aware of the many petitions being circulated to permanently remove & dispose of 19 Kids & their moronic parents Jim Bob & Michelle from TLC & any other network Jim Bob is "courting " (ha ha) to reinstate his money train.

Erin said...

It would help if we had all the remaining advertisers on it's own post. That way we could keep better track when the next ones drop. We don't need to put pressure on sponsors who have already pulled out and keeping a list that can be updated when anyone learns of a fleeing advertiser would help. (plus it helps me as I want everyone I know to come here. If this is the only site that has the direct contact to the CEO of the sponsor it will be the go-to blog for people around the world.

Dee said...

I've been thinking a lot about TLC taking its time making a decision on the fate of 19 Kids and Counting. The CNN Money article that Stella posted a link to was excellent and really hit the nail squarely on the head.
It's a waiting game to see what direction the wind is blowing in relation to this.
I honestly think that TLC is hoping that America soon gets distracted by some other issue so they can 'quietly' reinstate reruns and then get on with producing either the original show or a spin off.
In addition to contacting the sponsors who have stated their intent of not advertising with this show to say 'Thank You' and 'Well done', I contact TLC/Discovery once every day just to write a few lines and ask them to pull the plug on the show.
I try to keep these messages as brief and positive as possible because I have seen the earmark of the fanatical right. Their rabid, oftentimes wildly abusive rhetoric is off putting to say the least. My goal is to communicate calmly and sensibly with TLC, hopefully making relevant points and encouraging them to do the right thing.
Today though I did go a bit outside of that perameter. I pointed out that the more time they take in making this decision, the more it points to ethical ambiguity.
I reminded them that America's memory can be very long and opinions have been and continue to be formed as to TLC's stance on this matter.
I'm just one person and likely the messages get deleted as quickly as they come in.
A tiny part of me hopes though that TLC is taking note and that they will eventually do the right thing...whether it is motivated by money or conscience (my bet would be on the former).
I guess we'll see.

*Chloe, thank you for the kind words.

KristiaƱa said...

Maxine,
Your comments about the Duggar girls being victimized all over again by being forced to publicly "forgive" Josh and stand behind him is spot-on! Josh obviously didn't receive any realistic counseling for his sexual perversions. Swinging a hammer and praying with another staff member from the Got-Hard "menistry" is a joke. But the girls were never given any kind of counseling — as far as I know.

I was the victim of childhood incest and this is not something the victim recovers from by forgiving her abuser(s), although it helps eventually. It follows you throughout life, creating a sense of guilt that you did something to cause it. The Duggars obviously reinforce that belief with their laughable wardrobe requirements & beliefs. The fact that Josh was allowed to return to their home would have caused tremendous anxiety for the girls, making their single bedroom understandable. That would have given them some sense of "safety in numbers." I remember Michelle explaining the reason they all slept in one room was "accountability." Do any of the rest of you remember that? I thought, Accountability for WHAT? What do they think these girls need their sisters next to them to keep them accountable for? Now I get it!! It was accountability for the perv!

Their "keep sweet" smiles should be replaced with honest sharing about their feelings instead of trying to jeep up appearances. My family, to this day, (I'm 51) don't want it discussed because appearances are more important & I'm expected to "keep sweet." Every time I express my true feelings as counseled to do for the last 30'years, I'm ostracized and actually un-invited to Christmas! I'm the black sheep & a trouble-maker while my abusers are protected. It's devastating and my heart aches for all of his victims.

The ONLY way this family MIGHT have a chance at genuine, honest sharing and healing, is If they give up the need for keeping up appearances. And that's never going to happen while they're on TV. TLC needs to cancel the show out of compassion for the victims that need to receive counseling away from this family, instead of being forced to keep sweet for the sake of the show & the almighty dollar. Hey Jim Bob, money is not the root of all evil, it's the LOVE of money! And you've had quite a love affair!! $$$

Bobbi said...

Kristiana, my heart breaks that as a child you were a victim of incest. In a way I can relate. My siblings & I were never victims of incest but victims of extreme physical abuse almost torture under the umbrella of Christian love. Until now I've never shared that info Pubically. It was your heartfelt message that inspired me. Thankfully my 3 siblings & me were successful to bolt from the what was a sick Baptist cult. We are all state college educated & gainfully employed. As the eldest, I am recently retired. I don't see the 19 Kids returning. I believe with continued Pressure applied to the execs of TLC & many advertisers sprinting from the 19 Kids show they will have no other recourse but to create a new program that's entertaining, attracts people who are intelligent & A show thats Notot repetitious or Boring.

Chloe said...

Does anyone know the name of the CEO at TLC or IU's the governing body of TLC managed by the Discovery Network? I want to contact this person or CEO by phone or email. Thanks.

Cedric said...

Paul, I am not a clairvoyant but can relate to the post about your wife's gift. From the beginning, I had a creepy feeling about Josh & Jim Bob. Then when JB began his sexual innuendo rants it was confirmed. I also realized Michelle was a just in passing Mom that her entire interest in becoming a Mom was about continual pregnancies, a new born until weened. I also believe Michelle was thrilled when she gave birth to a preemie because that meant the baby would require round the clock care & TLC would focus on Michelle pretending to be a caring Mom. I thought the funeral for a miscarried baby Jubilee was very over the top, inappropriate, should have been private & definitely not filmed. If TLC reinstated the Duggars they will receive many phone calls & emails from people who disagree & will again lobby to remove the Duggars from TV. I also don't believe the 19 Kids program is the most popular of all reality shows. It's basically the same old & I mean OLD boring story line. I want to see a public appearance of the Duggars on TV with a number of reporters interviewing them & firing difficult questions. I would watch that show.

Esther said...

Bobbi said...

Esther contacting the advertisers asking them to pull the commercials will hit TLC & 19 Kids in the bank. If one wants a TV program cancelled or dismissed, Initially, the smartest plan begins with contacting the Sponsors vs the Network. Esther, thanks again for the thirough list of companies to contact the advertisers.
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Bobbi, Thank you for your kind words and to Sharla who is allowing this to be posted.

Since I posted last Allstate, Firehouse Subs and Crayola have now pulled out. Let's continue to use linkedin or whatever we can to make reach the CEO of the shows advertisers! Thank you to DWOP fans who are taking action.


Here is the latest list as of 2:00 pm May 29, 2015






Remaining advertisers who have not promised to pull their ads
TLC is not going to #CancelTheDuggars as long as they have sponsors.


TLC is losing its financial incentive to keep the Duggars on their network.
More pressure can be applied by contacting the companies who still have not
committed to dumping 19 Kids.

"Companies and brands that advertise on any future Duggar programming will be financially supporting a family that covered up sexual abuse. Advertisers must be made aware that there will be a financial and reputation cost to supporting 19 Kids and Counting."http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/27/14-advertisers-dump-duggars-refuse-run-ads-19-kids-counting.html

If you want to go to the top and contact the CEOs, simply go through Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/

NOTE THAT BOTH GEICO AND BENJAMIN MOORE ARE BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY COMPANIES! (NAKED JUICE IS PART OF PEPSI. OSCAR MAYER AND PHILADELPHIA CREAM CHEESE ARE UNDER KRAFT)

Arm and Hammer: Church & Dwight- CEO James "Jim" R. Craigie contact him directly through linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-craigie/10/b49/167


Beauty Rest Mattress (Simmons Bedding Company) CEO Gary T. Fazio Simmons Bedding Company, CEO contact him directly at https://www.linkedin.com/pub/gary-fazio/5/883/556

Benjamin Moore & Co., a unit of Berkshire Hathaway(Michael Searles CEO) If you are on Linked in you can contact him directly at bottom of his page: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mike-searles/9/a50/762

Cortizone - Chattem CEO Zan Guerry contact him directly at https://www.linkedin.com/pub/zan-guerry/2b/1a9/72b

Discover- David Nelms, CEO davidnelms@discover.com 2500 Lake Cook Rd. Bannockburn, IL 60015 Phone: 224-405-0900 Fax: 224-405-4993

Frontline Plus Merial CEO Carsten Hellmann, contact him directly at https://fr.linkedin.com/pub/carsten-hellmann/5/719/513

End of Part 1 of 2 parts,

Esther said...

Part 2 of 2 parts

Notifying CEOs of the 19 Kids and Counting sponsors

GEICO- Berkshire Hathaway unit Olza M. (Tony) Nicely, Chairman and CEO; contact him directly https://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-nicely/82/17b/15b tnicely@geico.com Telephone (301) 986-2462 Website http://www.geico.com

Kohl's - Kevin Mansell CEO kevin.mansell@kohls.com. Phone: (262)-703-7000.

Listerine, bought by Johnson and Johnson in 2006 Alex Gorsky CEO. You can contact him directly if you area member of linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-gorsky/15/2aa/504

Lowes- Robert A. Niblock CEO First Vice Chairman, Chairman, President & CEO Lowe’s Companies, Inc. 1000 Lowe’s Blvd Mooresville, NC 28117 Phone: 704-758-2084 robert.a.niblock@lowes.com

McDonalds- contact Steve Easterbrook McDonald's, CEO Media Relations Office Press@us.mcd.com Write us. McDonald's Corporation, 2111 McDonald's Dr., Oak Brook, IL 60523 Call us. 1-800-244-6227 7 days a week 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. CST

Macy’s- Terry J. Lundgren Macy's Inc., CEO Jim Sluzewski, Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications & External Affairs jim.sluzewski@macys.com, 513-579-7764

Minute Maid- Coca-Cola Company, CEO Ahmet Muhtar Kent contact him directly via https://www.linkedin.com/in/muhtarkent

Naked Juice- (Pepsico) Indra Nooyi PepsiCo, CEO Voice a complaint: https://cu.pepsico.com/pepsi

Oscar Mayer and Philadelphia Cream Cheese (Kraft) John T. Cahill Kraft Foods, CEO Kraft Corporate Office & Headquarters 3 Lakes Dr. Northfield IL 60093 Kraft corporate phone number: (847) 646-2000 http://kraftfoods.custhelp.com/app/contact/sa/1/session/L3RpbWUvMTQzMjcwMzA3My9zaWQvNXlscGhtbm0%3D https://www.facebook.com/philadelphiacreamcheese


Panera https://www.panerabread.com/en-us/customer-service/contact-us.html panera Ronald M. Shaich Panera Bread, CEO contact him directly if you are on linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronshaich

Progressive insurance Glenn Renwick CEO 6300 Wilson Mills Rd Richmond Heights, OH 44143 440-461-5000

Wyndham Hotels and Resorts-Stephen P. Holmes Chairman/CEO 22 Sylvan Way Parsippany, NJ 07054 973-753-6000

Esther said...

Anonymous Chloe said...

Does anyone know the name of the CEO at TLC or IU's the governing body of TLC managed by the Discovery Network? I want to contact this person or CEO by phone or email. Thanks.

5/29/2015 11:06 AM

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TLC is owned by Discovery - David M. Zaslav CEO DCI World Headquarters One Discovery Place Silver Spring, MD 20910 Tel: 240.662.2000 (The number shown in whitepages for him in Silver Spring is 240-662-4747 https://www.facebook.com/DiscoveryComm




It also shows http://corporate.discovery.com/ (you can click on "contact" and then "producer" in case anyone wants to pitch a story idea. LOL!

Esther said...

Under David Zaslav's leadership, Discovery has rolled out TLC – now the most widely distributed female-targeted entertainment and lifestyle channel brand in media – to more than 190 global countries and territories and ID to more than 155 countries and territories markets, creating an unmatched international portfolio for viewers, advertisers and distributors. ~ http://corporate.discovery.com/leadership/david-zaslav/

Hey, David Zaslav, this female would rather watch a show on how to train a dog....you know like what SuperNanny and Nanny did with unruly kids. It would be entertaining, plus educational.

Maybe they should bring the Nanny to the Duggar compound and (attempt to) train Josh and Jim Bob how to act. Cut the innuendos, Jim Bob. We don't need to see you making those "demented circus monkey" faces*.

*Demented Circus Monkey is from King of Queens. Doug Heffernan,referring to Arthur Spooner

Esther said...


Discovery Communications did not have a good 2014. The stock lost nearly a quarter of its value. (WHILE JIM BOB WAS BRAGGING THAT THEY WERE THE #1 SHOW ON TLC.)

Discovery isn't off to a great start to 2015, either. The stock is down another 4% so far this year.

And the recent Josh Duggar scandal is another headache for the company, which owns the TLC network that airs the Duggar family's "19 Kids and Counting" reality show.




http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/26/investing/discovery-communications-stock-ceo-david-zaslav/

Esther said...

Stella said...

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/28/media/tlc-19-kids-and-counting-scandal/index.html
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People magazine reported a possible spin-off. A new plan may shift focus on newlyweds Jill and Derick Dillard, and Jessa and Ben Seewald.

A spin-off would keep the family in business with TLC. Both parties have made a whole lot of money from the relationship. "19 Kids" is one of TLC's highest-rated shows.

The executives involved are feeling the pressure from social media campaigns against the reality show.

Buckeye said...

thanks, Sharla, for the link to the evangelical side article about 'It's not about forgiveness, but, instead TRUST'. the author gives me a tiny Ray of Hope that not all evangelicals meet the Duggar standard of stupidity and hypocrisy. A previous on line polemic by a Rick Boyer, "homeschool advocate" had just about sealed my previous assessment that male weakness/insecurity and resultant major control issues and feminine lack of intelligence were the only qualifiers for membership into this right wing religious.

The article cited by Sharla makes some very valid points. It IS arrogant & presumptuous for the rest of us to assume our own ethical superiority for 'forgiving' pedophilia (but then is that not what pretty much DEFINES the Gothardites - a personal presumption of moral superiority over any and all not in their fold?). the issue of forgiveness is solely between the predator and his victims - WE do not enter into this equation, MUCHLESS earn bonus morality points by piously proclaiming OUR forgiveness of the abuser.

It is the Duggar hypocrisy that ranks highest as a gag factor. the absolute insulation of one's family from the larger world based on the bent belief in the gross sinfulness of all but their own ilk - WHERE is all that Christian forgiveness in creating a bubble to keep the rest of us assumed sinners from soiling the 'faithful'?

having daughters pretend, on camera, that theirs is the model of family values, despite their having endured sexual assault within those very confines, is cruel, and adds to the parental moral failure of epic proportion.

some of us have viewed the evangelical mindset with a skeptical eye due to the pretzel logic mentality and sanctimony as demonstrated by the Duggars. the Duggars and other Gothardites like the "home school advocate" noted above create an severely uphill climb for those of us putting forth Herculean effort to achieve and maintain objectivity on all things evangelical.

Esther said...

RE: List of CEOs to contact:

http://www.alan.com/2015/05/29/duggars-have-lost-19-40-sponsors-and-counting/#
is now reporting that Wyndham and Philadelphia Cream Cheese, Kohl's, Arm and Hammer are gone!

They have Discover right up next to Firehouse like it is gone. If that is correct then 5 more are now gone!

(I think that is 8 today, so far!)

Esther said...


Josh Duggar is scheduled to speak Saturday June 20th at Liberty University. He will be signing autographs afterwards.


http://www.alan.com/2015/05/29/josh-duggar-scheduled-to-speak-on-how-bible-is-lifes-owners-manual/

coleen said...

Article about Josh and Anna's move back to Ark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102594/Goodbye-Washington-D-C-hello-Siloam-Springs-Disgraced-Josh-Duggar-s-secret-plan-escape-50k-Arkansas-house-child-abuse-scandal-ruins-propects-political-career.html

Bobbi said...

The pressure with TLC prohibiting the Duggars return to TV eeds to remain Constant. A spin off with the Dillards & Seewalds would be a disaster as eventually, old Jim Bob & Michelle would somehow rangle their way back into the mix as well as Narcissistic & creepy Josh & his wife Anna. Not a smart plan TLC.

Chloe said...

Esther as usual you are always spot on & amazing. Thanks for providing this information to all of us.

Chloe

Autumn Leaves said...

A press conference with the Duggars on TV in front of God & everyone. That I would watch.

capslock said...

I don't see a point of a spin off w/ Jill & Jessa -- they are following in the footsteps of Michelle who will just continue to focus on getting pregnant and having babies. I hoped it would be different but it's not.

There is talk of keeping the Duggars on to see how the family deals with this crisis. Thing is, they will talk about it for 30 seconds, and then go back to making casserole and talking about more babies.

I really hope this show will be pulled - SOON.

cat said...

I will not watch it, we know everything they say are lies, I dont want to look at those poor girls, knowing what happened to them, and it would only be a matter of time before the whole family comes for dinner..

Sharla said...

The apology is not enough:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-pr-expert-says-josh-duggars-apology-is-not-enough-to-satisfy-sexual-molestation-scandal-139688/

Danielle Pate said...

Wasn't the rumor of josh molesting his sisters brought up on this blog once?

Esther said...

capslock said...


There is talk of keeping the Duggars on to see how the family deals with this crisis.

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It would be scripted.

Esther said...


RE: Liberty University where Josh Duggar is scheduled to speak Saturday June 20th and where he will be signing autographs afterwards. In case anyone wants to contact them.....

Liberty University
1971 University Boulevard
Lynchburg, Va. 24515
Switchboard (434) 582-2000
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Media Inquiries
emailmobible@liberty.edu
phone(434) 592-4955
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http://www.liberty.edu/news (in the search box at the top type in Duggars)

Bobbi said...

Liberty Univ is an extreme right wing school with Gothard type rules for students as is Crown College. So GED only no college experience elitist Josh Duggar is scheduled to speak at LU well, I am not surprised & then I suppose Crown College is next in this idiots speaking tour. So much for the credibility & authenticity of Liberty Univ. Geez.

Chloe said...

Buckeye, Your post as usual so logical & accurate about the Duggars. Have you written articles in the past? If so, I would enjoy the opportunity to read one. Today, I have signed many on line petitions to retain removal of the 19' Kids program it's a travesty & a plethora of lies & deception. I also read that elitist Josh & his family are Retreating in disgrace back to old Arkansas.

Esther said...

Bart Hester, a Republican state senator in Arkansas, called for the firing of the police chief who released the report about Josh Duggar’s molestations.

Bart Franklin Hester, is a real estate businessman in Bentonville, Arkansas.
Jim Bob Duggar is a real estate businessman in Bentonville, Arkansas.

Bart Franklin Hester is a Republican member of the Arkansas State Senate from District 1, which includes Benton County. (The Duggars have properties in Benton county.) Hester is a deacon of the First Baptist Church of Bentonville...and that is where Jessa was married!

Jim Bob Duggar, a Republican, served in the Arkansas House of Representatives for the sixth district, from 1999 to 2002, which included part of northern Washington County, Arkansas. Duggar was vice chair of the House Corrections and CRIMINAL Law Subcommittee.


March 2002: The 33-page police report reveals that Jim Bob Duggar tells police his son admits he fondled the breasts and genitals of several victims while they were sleeping in the family's home, and that similar incidents happened four to five times.
Yet two months later May 2002: During Jim Bob Duggar's 2002 US Senate GOP primary run, he said that rape and incest were crimes worthy of death. (Jim Bob Duggar lost the primary bid for the Republican Senate seat to Senator Tim Hutchinson in Arkansas.) (Go here and look at the dark blue box in the middle of the page: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/26/1387900/-Jim-Bob-Duggar-during-his-2002-ARSen-campaign-incest-and-rape-worthy-of-death# Duggar ran on a platform that "rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes." http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/timeline-josh-duggar-19-kids-and-counting-tlc-sex-abuse-scandal/28066229/


Esther said...

Judge Stacy Zimmerman's decision to order the police report destroyed.

How and why did Zimmerman hurriedly order an official record of a public policy agency destroyed, without apparent notice to anyone but whoever made the complaint?

Was the complainant Jim Bob Duggar, an old political ally of Mike Huckabee, to whom Zimmerman owes her place on the bench? The order came too late, of course, the report was already in wide circulation. http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/05/24/bart-hester-covering-madly-for-ally-the-duggars

Esther said...


JUDGE STACEY ZIMMERMAN: Who asked her to destroy the record of a police child molestation investigation? And on what legal basis did she make the decision to destroy a public record?

WHILE SHE DID THIS
Springdale Police told the AP that Judge Stacey Zimmerman ordered the 2006 offense report destroyed Thursday. "The judge ordered us yesterday to expunge that record," Lewis said. He added that similar records are usually kept indefinitely. "As far as the Springdale Police Department is concerned, this report doesn't exist." http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/josh-duggars-investigation-record-destroyed-797762
HOW DOES PROTECTING THE MOLESTER OF CHILDRENLINE UP WITH THIS:
Zimmerman began volunteer work representing children in juvenile court. "I really enjoyed it and I thought it was extremely worthwhile."
Ultimately, she believes helping one child is an accomplishment. "Then I feel that I've done my job, and I've helped not only the kid, but the community as well."
http://www.nwabusinessjournal.com/best-in-class/profile/80/stacey-a-zimmerman


Stacey Zimmerman County Government Office Address: 885 W Clydesdale Dr, Fayetteville, AR 72701 Phone:(479) 444-1739


Ruth said...

Sharla you are amazing for you all you do on this blog. I know it has been crazy in the last week.

Esther said...


RE: Senator Bart Hester who wants police chief fired over release of Josh Duggar report

P.O. Box 85, Cave Springs, 72718

Phone 479-531-4176
Email bart.hester@senate.ar.gov

Occupation Real Estate and Construction


By the way, the police chief has retired effective the end of June. (THIS IS SOOOO WRONG!!) Why are they protecting the perp?

Esther said...

Why doesn't this surprise me about Amy Jordan, the cousin to the Duggars, who often uses the last name Duggar:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/amy-duggar-fires-producer-jamie-slocum-reality-star-gets-new-show/

Lor said...

I wonder if josh bought the house in Arkansas because he knew his past would be coming to light?

Chloe said...

Does anyone recall an episode in which Michelle Duggar shelling out unsolicited advice to viewers recommending they stop watching TV & the absurdity of that comment. Michelle always clueless did not comprehend that the 19 Kids reality show was her families income. Duh! Well Michelle your wish was granted through your golden child Josh. Now 19 Kids is but a distant bell with no hope of returning to TV. It appears that Jim Bob & perhaps you Michelle may have to seek real employment. So Michelle we've heeded your advice & will still watch TV but no longer 19 Kids & Going Away. Thanks for the smart advice. Now, cut your hideous hair. Grow Ip Michelle & Jim Bob.

Bobbi said...

Esther, your activism & tenacity is a wonderful inspiration to everyone who posts at this blog. Thank you.

Sharon M said...

Years ago, I was in a Bible study with a group of women who were very loving and kind. In the book we were reading, the author told a story I had heard before. It was about a young man who got drunk one New Year's eve and drove his car, hitting and killing a young high school girl. The judge sentenced the young man to three years probation and an unusual proviso- every Friday, for the next 18 years, he had to write out a check to the parents, with the deceased girl's name as payee. Each check was for $1. The total for the 18 years of checks came to $936. The guilt of having to write out the girl's name every week got to the young man, and he stopped. The victim's parents took him back to court, forcing him to restart the weekly checks. After attempting to send the checks but finding it too emotional, the young man finally sat down and wrote out enough checks, all in one sitting, to fulfill his obligation. The parents refused to accept them. The parents of the girl said that they lost their daughter, and her entire life had been snuffed out. The kid was alive and kicking, while they missed out on graduations, weddings and grandchildren. He needed to finish the agreed upon punishment.

All of the woman in our group felt that the parents of the girl had extracted their pound of flesh from the kid and that they should just let the matter drop. The said that we are Christians, and we needed to forgive him, and that he was truly sorry. Every. single. woman. They all felt that way. I alone said that there is a huge difference between forgiveness and punishment. Just because we forgive people does not mean we have to forego punishment. If there are no consequences to our actions, many would offend again. You have to learn from what you did, and a pat in the wrist doesn't do that for many people. I think that Josh got away with something very wrong, and as we can all see, since he was not punished, he offended again. If this had been dealt with at the time in a more conventional manner (counseling for all from a LICENSED professional, removal from the home, etc.) I think people would still be upset when finding out about this, but I think they would at least feel that the parents had done the right thing in adding a punishment phase to the offense.

A link to the story mentioned above:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20117385,00.html

Esther said...

Bobbi said...

Esther, your activism & tenacity is a wonderful inspiration to everyone who posts at this blog. Thank you.

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Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that you do something with the info I post.

Esther said...

Bart Hester, Jim Bob's buddy who demanded that Kathy O'Kelly the police chief* be fired reminds me of Jim Bob when I see this picture:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bart-hester-fire-police-chief-duggar-report

*Bart Hester claims that he believed Springdale Police Chief Kathy O'Kelly compromised the identities of the eldest Duggar's alleged victims by releasing the police report. Mayor Doug Sprouse told KFSM that O'Kelly, who will retire June 30, had determined in consultation with Springdale's city attorney that the report had to be released in accordance with the law.

SOMETHING STINKS BADLY IN ARKANSAS!!!!!

CannedSoup said...

It sounds like the record in Springdale was ordered "expunged" which is not necessarily the same as being physically "destroyed." The record still exists in a physical form of some sort (e.g. hard copy, computer record) but it is as if it does not exist should their be a run-of-the-mill inquiry. It can still be accessed under certain circumstances by proper authorities should a judge allow it. I acknowledge that I am not familiar with the procedure in Arkansas, but that is the way it would be in my State. Expungement/Sealing of court records is not an everyday thing, but it is done and records concerning juveniles are treated much more circumspectly than adult records. While, again, I am not aware of Arkansas laws on the issue, this attorney assumes the judge who ordered the expungement did so within the law.

Esther said...

Anonymous Chloe said...

Does anyone recall an episode in which Michelle Duggar shelling out unsolicited advice to viewers recommending they stop watching TV & the absurdity of that comment.
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Yes, I do.

Esther said...

Vote here on if the Duggars show should be cancelled.

http://www.today.com/popculture/duggars-tlc-remain-quiet-advertisers-speak-out-t23511

Syndee said...

I didn't see anything about the Duggars presentation on the Liberty website in schedule of events.

I thought it interesting that the school doesn't seem as fundie as I would have thought. It has a department of biology and chemistry, and even started a graduate program in biology. They do stuff like genome sequencing. If they are sort of mainstream in the sciences wouldn't they be embarrassed to have the Duggars there? Think that's an old flyer?

Esther said...


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Springdale Police Chief Kathy O'Kelley- Chief of Police for Springdale, AR since December of 2005, has a Master's Degree in Public Administration and graduated in 1999 from the FBI National Academy Graduate – Quantico, Virginia :http://sheepdogia.org/kathy-okelly

This is who Arkansas Senator Bart Hester went after to get fired, for releasing the police report on Josh Duggar, of 19 Kids and Counting who admitted molesting children.

Calling for her termination Senator Bart Hester, claimed Ms. O'Kelly was reckless and irresponsible in releasing the police report, although Ms. O'Kelly had determined in consultation with Springdale's city attorney that the report had to be released in accordance with the law. The report was heavily redacted yet Hester stated that it compromised the identities of the victims.

Picture of Bart Hester http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bart-hester-fire-police-chief-duggar-report

O'Kelly, who will retire June 30 (Does that make Kathy O'Kelly more of Josh Duggar's Collateral Damage?)









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Duggar watcher said...

Duggars sitting down next week to be interviewed by Negyn Kelly. She can get pretty aggressive. Might be interesting!

Duggar watcher said...

Sorry that was Megyn!

Helen Crump said...

I put the responsibility squarely on Jim Bob and Michelle period. These two had either the stupidity or the arrogance to knowingly put themselves on television knowingly portraying themselves as "having figured it all out" before the rest of us as to how to raise a 'perfect family' all the while sheepishly and falsely modestly saying 'we aren't perfect'. The last thing Michelle should have done was to accept a Mother of the Year award! What a hypocrite and lover of herself! They both knew very well that they were asked to speak at meetings, churches and conventions to "render their wisdom" to the rest of us dumbbells whose families MUST be in chaos and in ungodly states.
The ironic thing about this is, also, that in sheltering, cloistering and stiefling their own children from this world and all those 'evil things and people' out in it, they had "sin" in their own home. One of the things they were trying to shelter their children from was present in their very own home. How, now, do they justify this cloistering? They failed at sealing their children in a pristine cocoon.
They exercise the very worst judgment as parents if you ask me generally across the board.

Dee said...

Esther, thank you so much for the valuable info you provide! I really appreciate it.

Stella said...

Just posted on family blog

Next Week
May 30, 2015
Next week we will sit down with Megyn Kelly on Fox News to share our hearts with you about the pain that we walked through as a family twelve years ago, the tears we all shed and the forgiveness that was given. We appreciate the outpouring of love and prayers for our family at this time.

-Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar
Permalink: http://www.duggarfamily.com/2015/5/next-week




Luci said...

Gil is on the board at ATI there is no way he didn't know. IMO

Mary said...

duggars on fox news

I hope they have a carton of tissures lets have Josie there and Meggyn ask hre or asny of the younger kids. lets not have the mullet cry a river.Megyn your a mother ASK the hard questuins if you can.


Mary

Stella said...

Duggar Parents Give Interview To Megyn Kelly On Fox News
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/duggar-parents-interview-megyn-kelly-143658460.html

Part of the article -- the rest see link

Megan Kelly has landed much chased interview with the Duggar parents, Jim Bob and Michelle for Wednesday night for Fox News Channel. The news division will turn around the interview quickly to air in Kelly’s timeslot, 9 PM ET. The bulk of the interview will air that night, but FNC also has planned a one hour special Kelly File special for Friday night.

News orgs had been chasing a Duggar interview since TLC pulled their reality series 19 Kids and Counting after In Touch magazine published a since-destroyed police report showing oldest son Josh had fondled several underage girls, including some of his sisters, in 2002-3 when he was 14-15.

Little more than a week ago, the Discovery Communications-owned TLC said it was “deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time,” as it announced it was taking the hit series off the air for the time being. The show had wrapped its latest season days earlier but was still running repeats.

JeannieBean said...

RE: next week's interview with Megyn Kelly.

I wonder if the Duggars are pre-approving the questions that will be asked....better yet, maybe they're going to write them themselves.

Mary said...

Suilly people Mullet and Jim Boob will anounce they are EXPECTING and the josh thing will be a monir part of show


Mary

cat said...

I just hope Jimbob doesn't get to hand pick questions Megyn is allowed to ask. She can be tough!

Beth Anne said...

RE: the pain that we walked through as a family twelve years ago...

Again, putting on the spin that the whole ordeal was limited to a span of time 12 years ago, and that the ordeal "ended" in a finite way 12 years ago, thereby completely dismissing any notion of their daughters (and the 5th victim) still dealing with emotional or other issues. I highly doubt ANY of those girls, especially the 5-year-old, could really process or wrap their heads around what was happening. Now, I believe in God, and I believe in spiritual healing and redemption, but probably all that was said was "Jesus saved Josh and he repented, so girls you say you forgive him, and all is fine! We are a perfect family again."

Again, I am not trying to dismiss the notion of changed hearts. I believe Jesus can and DOES save and that great things can come out of horrible tragedies, but this whole thing does not pass the smell test for me, particularly because there was no punitive follow through or particular "penance acts" that Josh partook of, and basically after the "I'm sorry's" and "we forgive you's," there was absolutely not further "counseling" of the offender.

Sharla said...

Story about recovering from sexual abuse while under Gothard influence:
http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/05/set-free-from-silence/#more%C2%A0

Living in Indy said...

Recovering from sexual abuse under the Githard cult well might as well throw caution to the wind. Bad decision will never happen. These victims NEED Professional Ciunseling. Are JB & M really that stupid?

Cedric said...

Visiting my sister who has a copy of Prople Magazine with the Duggars on the cover she bought out of curiousity. OMG I couldn't believe Josh's resemblebce to the Pillsbury Dough Boy it's amazing.

coleen said...

This is an interesting article. The Brown family are a famous musical, conservative family whose father is in jail for molesting them. The two daughters speak about the similarities between their life and the Duggars.

http://www.people.com/article/desirae-deondra-brown-speak-josh-duggar-scandal

Mary said...

Hi

I think people are missing a lot here. Josh was molesting his sisters in 2002 (he was cauught or someone told)
then in 2006 he cauguht again. I hate to think But I believe He was sstill doing it in 2003-2005 he has free reign over his sisters. Until one of the girls reported him again Probably Jill.Hince he calling her a tattletale. I thought we wwere always surpose to be nice and happy? I do not believe for a second that Josh has stopped touching. Now he has childrenof his own Where is CPS are the waiting for the girls to be indoctrinated by josh and his silly wife to tell the girls its ok. I have no confidence in Anna to proct her children. All she can think of is Josh. Josh the perfect man



Mary

Bobbi said...

When Megyn Kelly interviews JB & M Duggar I hope she gets to the root as to why the Duggars are clearly in a Cult. The subject of the Gothard Cult absolutely need to be addressd.

mom in texas said...

The Duggars being on Fox News is just another way for them to remain in the public eye, lying for sympathy from Fox's conservative viewers. I think it's all BS. There is no excuse for how Jim Bob and Michelle handled the abuse of their daughters at the hands of their own child. There is nothing they can say to justify any of this. Jim Bob was so afraid that his family would be exposed, that people would realize they weren't perfect after all, that HIS image would be tarnished, so much so that he has allowed his children to live a nightmare for the last 12 years. Jim Bob has spent his adult life trying to convince everyone that he is this super effective patriarch and he has failed. It's over. If Jim Bob and Michelle had any decency they would end their quest for fame, get their children (all of them) proper counseling using the money they have made throughout their lives, and allow them to live their lives in privacy.

Mary said...

hi

this was from Josh and anna's site before it was taken down

ja20 dot com/ourstory/

Josh: I was raised in a Christian home. As a young man, I was taught to wait for God’s best in my life partner. But as time went along and I grew older it was harder to keep my heart only for the one that God had for my life partner.
Anna: Like Joshua I was raised in a Christian home, and my parents encouraged me to save my whole heart & purity for the one that God had for me. As a young girl, my parents told me that it was normal to have desires & thoughts, but that it was my responsibility to commit my future to the Lord and trust God to lead me in His timing.
Josh: As I grew older, I began to realize that there were two different kinds of people in this world – men & women. My parents shared with me a story of a young girl who asked her father a question about ‘that’ subject. Her father replied by handing her his suitcase and asking her to carry it. As the little girl tried to pick up the suitcase she quickly said, ‘I’m not big enough to carry it, its too heavy for me!’ Her father had illustrated his point. He then told his daughter, ‘Some things are too heavy for you to carry right now, but when you are older you will be able to handle them.’ It was that father’s hope, and my parent’s desire that inspired them to train their children to guard their hearts and keep them pure – knowing that the day would come when they would be able to carry that ‘suitcase.’

Mary said...

part 2

family who was brought up so similar to the way our parents were training us, but never would I have dreamed what God had in store!
Josh: As I became a teenage young man I was constantly tempted to have lots of wrong thoughts, and often battled to keep my heart right. One of the greatest things that helped me in my struggles was my parent’s commitment to accountability. They were faithful to talk with each one of their children – if we were willing to share honestly & openly with them – to maintain a clear conscience. I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness. I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents. (1 John 1:9)
Anna: Growing up my parents, like Joshua’s, always took time aside from their busy schedule to take time to listen to each of their children and allow them to share their heart. Over time my two oldest sisters followed God’s principles and were happily married! It was so exciting to see the fruit of all those years of guarding their heart and trusting God to lead through their parents! I realized the importance of sharing with my parents and waiting for God’s very best for my life partner; a young man who was striving to do the same.
Josh: In early 2006, my Dad was campaigning for State Senate. We were a couple weeks from the Primary Election when my family took our annual trip to the ATI Conference. I was busy working with the A/V team, and had very little free time… but during one of the breaks I ended up talking through my lunch break with some new friends!…
Anna: …My siblings & I enjoyed meeting Joshua, and as we introduced ourselves I was amazed that Joshua was able to guess our ages right! Usually people would think I was 5 to 7 years older than I really was and it was getting quite embarrassing. We talked for a while about their family’s political campaign and about them moving into their new house. Josh mentioned that we would have to come over and visit them sometime. I was like, ‘That is so nice but we live all the way out in Florida… it would never happen.’ As our conversation came to an end I remember thinking… ‘I’ve never met anyone else like this before,’ but that was the extent of my thoughts.
Josh: My thoughts, however, were very different from Anna’s! As we talked, I felt God speak to my heart that this was the girl I was going to marry someday! I enjoyed our fellowship, and then resumed my schedule for the rest of the day. By that night I still could not get her off my mind! I went to my dad and told him what I felt like God had told me. He told me that he thought it could be a possibility, and then asked if I felt that I was ready to get into a relationship. I knew that I had a lot to get ready if I felt courting… or even marriage was in the near future.
Anna: I was surprised a few weeks later when my Dad announced to our family that we would be traveling to Arkansas to spend a few days with the Duggars! The first night at the Duggar’s home during Bible time, Joshua shared his testimony. I was encouraged to see that there really was a young man out there who was accountable to his parents and was striving to keep his heart pure. As a girl, my parents explained that it was normal to have desires for a relationship, especially when you see a young man that had the qualities you desired in a future life partner. While at the Duggars home, I noticed Joshua had many of the things I desired in a future partner. I began to commit those desires to the Lord, and reaffirmed my commitment to wait on Him to lead through my parents in that area. After all, my sisters & I were friends with the Duggar girls and my brothers were friends with the Duggar boys… that was the way things were supposed to be!
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Mary said...

missed up I\\its to long to post it all here I will go back and get the urrl

Too Tragic said...

It hasn't occurred to JB and M that going on television to explain the situation that was exacerbated for them by their presence on television is not a smart move. There are precious few comments they could make that could save them now and they all have to do with getting out of the cult, freeing their children, admitting they broke laws, and taking punishment for their crimes. Anything else will result in another backlash, I'm sure. I don't watch Fox, but I will read the transcript and the comments on other websites.

Joyce Timbue said...

JB is still after that money!

Leslie said...

Ok, admittedly, I'm about as politically conservative as they come, and I watch FOX News from time to time, so I've seen that Megyn Kelly can be tough. But, like most of you, I'm not expecting this to be a typical Megyn-style interview. As much as I'd like to see her tear them limb-from-limb, I'm sure it's going to be nothing but pre-approved, softball questions and the Duggars putting out more B.S. about how sorry and repentant Josh is (Yeah, right!) and how they've prayed it away! I'm sure they decided to do this particular interview thinking they'd find support and sympathy among the network's conservative viewership, but no dice here! They've done nothing but lie to the entire country for a decade now, so why would this be any different? Why can't TLC wake up, cancel this garbage, and force the whole lot of them to slither away into obscurity already!?!

Esther said...


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RE: Josh Duggar speaking at Liberty University on June 20, 2015.
It is still on http://www.alan.com/2015/05/29/josh-duggar-scheduled-to-speak-on-how-bible-is-lifes-owners-manual/

I also saw this: http://www.charismanews.com/us/41395-jim-bob-duggar-many-prominent-universities-falling-away-from-christian-roots

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Esther said...






Helen Crump said...

They.... were asked to speak at meetings, churches and conventions to "render their wisdom" to the rest of us....

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Isn't it nice that we have this to look at, where the story was spilled back in 2007:
https://www.facebook.com/269181913180625/photos/pb.269181913180625.-2207520000.1432863054./747483938683751/?type=3&permPage=1

(click forward or backward to read the rest of the info.)

Melissa said...

Mom in Texas, very well said!!! I agree 100%. Sharla, thank you for posting the links to various articles and all the work to post comments. It is greatly appreciated.

Esther said...

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP ABOUT MEGYN KELLY'S INTERVIEW WITH JIM BOB AND MICHELLE

Wed June 3rd (and additional portions Fri June 5th) both at 9p ET
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/30/tune-megyn-kelly-interviews-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-kelly-file-wednesday-june-3rd-9p-et

NOTICE: There is a place to COMMNETt, right below her article! (Maybe someone here on DWOP has a good question to ask that she hasn't thought of yet.)

Esther said...

Anonymous Dee said...

Esther, thank you so much for the valuable info you provide! I really appreciate it.

5/30/2015 7:21 AM

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Thank you for your kind words.

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Anonymous coleen said...

This is an interesting article. The Brown family are a famous musical, conservative family whose father is in jail for molesting them. The two daughters speak about the similarities between their life and the Duggars.

http://www.people.com/article/desirae-deondra-brown-speak-josh-duggar-scandal

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Excellent article. Someone needs to comment so Megyn Kelly sees it. WHERE COMMENTS CAN BE MADE IN ANTICIPATION OF MEGYN INTERVIEWING JIM BOB AND MICHELLE DUGGAR: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/30/tune-megyn-kelly-interviews-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-kelly-file-wednesday-june-3rd-9p-et




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Dee said...

I cannot image stomaching the Fox interview. An hour (or more?) of Mullet Mouse looking sorrowful and squeaking about pain and forgiveness. The piece de resistance though: Jim Bob.
He will AquaNet up his hair helmet in preparation for battle (although there is no battle; I'm sure they have final approval on all questions asked). He will put on his serious, sad face (complete with slightly quivering chin and crocodile tears brimming in his eyes) just like when Michelle was getting ready to go in to have her C-section with Josie. "Our lives are fixin' to change....forever" *cue dramatic music*
Someone on another site summed up the Duggar PR claptrap perfectly: Blather, Rinse, Repeat.

Mary said...

Hi

I hope Megyn interviews josh like he is a liberal.. Same for farents


Mary

Helen Crump said...

Jim Bob and Michelle are giving FOX news an interview? Why? Unless they are going to really answer the hard, tough questions, why bother? I don't think America wants to hear their overly used canned answers and sidestepping of questions and their fundy-vocabulary. I know this will most likely be a waste of time.
I wonder if Barbara Walters asked them for a real interview, would they turn HER down?
Since this family doesn't watch TV in the first place, how is it that Jim Bob agreed to do the interview with Fox News, a station that has hardly devoted any air time to this matter?

Helen Crump said...

The law is the law regarding expunging, purging or retaining police reports, etc. Either is was correct and within the law to do so, or it wasn't. There isn't any room for emotions about it. What does Arkansas law say about this "records incident"? Anyone know the law out there?
If the judge and sheriff acted within the law, there isn't any more to say about it.
No one should lose their job or retirement. I still look at Jim Bob and Michelle and the driving of their own publicity train...this family, as I have stated before, is their business plain and simple...ministry? My foot.

Too Tragic said...

A written statement, however long, would be more appropriate than continued exploitation of the Duggar children through television by Jim Bob and Michelle through an interview. What an unequivocally narcissistic, self-absorbed, selfish, poorly thought out, irresponsible decision on Jim Bob's part to go back on TV. There should be no more interviews on camera or TV for ANY reason. Period. This is just more evidence that he hasn't learned a single thing through this experience unless perhaps he plans to announce that they're giving up their cult life and sending their children out into the big bad world.

I've read articles that reference the Duggar's "empire" amassed as a result of TLC. Good word and it should be used often in this situation to emphasize Jim Bob's obsession with money and himself over his children's welfare.

I anticipate that they will talk about how they let down the crew whom they consider "family," (yep, you did) and their die-hard followers (maybe not so much), and their friends (I hope so).

Could God possibly be trying to tell you something, Jim Bob? Or is it possible that Jim Bob thinks he IS God?

Bobbi said...

FYI: the email address for Megyn Kelly at Fox News is..

Megynkelly@foxnews.com


I just sent an email to Megyn Kelly requesting she hold the Duggars feet to the fire when interviewing them & to inquire as to why they chose to raise their kids within the Gothard Cult. I provided the saving grace website & advised several former members of the Gothard cult post messages at that blog. I sent an email that was quite lengthy but to the point.

Bobbi said...

Ok so to avoid wasting anyone's time re contacting Megyn Kelly at Fox News the email address for Megyn was posted on line & I entered the address correctly however, the email returned as failure to send. So I am now clueless.

Esther said...

Anonymous Dee said...
... the Fox interview. An hour (or more?) of Mullet Mouse...squeaking about pain and forgiveness... Jim Bob..... will AquaNet up his hair helmet.... put on his serious, sad face (complete with slightly quivering chin and crocodile tears brimming in his eyes) ..."Our lives are fixin' to change....forever" *cue dramatic music*

5/30/2015 12:55 PM

Oh, my goodness....That is hysterical!

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Anonymous Helen Crump said...

What does Arkansas law say about this "records incident"? Anyone know the law out there?
If the judge and sheriff acted within the law, there isn't any more to say about it.
No one should lose their job or retirement.

5/30/2015 1:33 PM

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Springdale Mayor Doug Sprouse said O’Kelley and Springdale City Attorney Ernest Cate determined after researching the matter that the report had to be released under law.http://5newsonline.com/2015/05/23/senator-springdale-police-chief-should-be-fired-over-child-sex-crime-report/


P.S. When you open that link above cover from the eyebrows down on that face. Does that head look like Jim Bob, to you?

Acorn said...

For the life of me, I can't comprehend why Jim Bob and Michelle would WANT to be back on television after this public shameing and humiliation. No one can ever hear their name again without thinking of Josh and his perverted mess. Do they really want to just go on as if nothing happened? What kind of a fundie bubble world do they really live in?

Bobbi said...

Too Tragic: you nailed this creep & phony Jim Bob's personality. Of course doesn't everyone know Jim Bob believes he sits at the right hand of God or Gothard & he believes the rest of us are heathens who will not enter heaven unless we acquiesce to his Fundie Cult way of life. I hope Megyn Kelly does not back down from under educated JB & M.

Syndee said...

Do these guys have a agent or "handler" or someone like that? Like actors or musicians have who manages their public image. Or do they just wing it and say what they feel like saying when they want to?

Dar said...

Megan Kelly is a lawyer and one can but hope she will ask the hard questions and not let them go with the God forgives responses. In my opinion, there is no way anyone from Fox News is going to give them a hard time. They will be allowed to BS their way all through it. This is just a ploy for JimBoob and Meeschell to wiggle their way back into TV land. If they have any children with them, they will be let off the hook. JimBob must be getting the "Bends" by now, with the absence of a cheque or contract from TLC. These people should just gooooo Away.

Josh took a lot away from these young girls. The children in that home were probably afraid of a lot of things, when one considers that the parents preached that the outside world was a scary place with predators around every corner. Josh took away the security they should have felt in their own homes. They could not feel secure in in their own bedrooms. Molested children wrestle with the after effects for most of their lives, even with therapy. It is an insult for those girls to be told to forgive the creep.

There are people incarcerated on marijuana charges for long periods of time. I wonder if Josh were of another ethnic origin, if things would be different. What he did was criminal and no coverup by Jimboob and his brain donor will change that!

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Anonymous Bobbi said...

Ok so to avoid wasting anyone's time re contacting Megyn Kelly at Fox News the email address for Megyn was posted on line & I entered the address correctly however, the email returned as failure to send. So I am now clueless.

5/30/2015 2:32 PM

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It probably crashed her server with so many people sending her e-mail. That is great!

While this isn't perfect...COMMENTS CAN BE MADE IN ANTICIPATION OF MEGYN INTERVIEWING JIM BOB AND MICHELLE DUGGAR: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/30/tune-megyn-kelly-interviews-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-kelly-file-wednesday-june-3rd-9p-et


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Esther said...

Anonymous Syndee said...

Do these guys have a agent or "handler" or someone like that? Like actors or musicians have who manages their public image. Or do they just wing it and say what they feel like saying when they want to?

5/30/2015 3:58 PM





I figured Jim Bob handled everybody.



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17-year-old Josh narrates about the family’s transition to a larger home. Space is cramped at the rental house where the Duggars are staying. Given that some of the claims against Josh accuse him of touching minors inappropriately as they slept, the idea of him sharing sleeping quarters with his younger siblings is somewhat horrifying.

"There’s not even enough space for all of us to have our own bed!" Josh exclaims.
http://www.etonline.com/news/165311_5_uncomfortable_duggar_moments_from_the_family_s_life_the_spotlight/

coleen said...

Josh political cartoon

http://static4.worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/11336809_10153341940806880_7152211280917556021_o.jpg

Dee said...


From Too Tragic:
"Could God possibly be trying to tell you something, Jim Bob? Or is it possible that Jim Bob thinks he IS God?"

BINGO! Jim Bob doesn't listen to God because he thinks he is God. Case in point: well, practically every move he makes...but the whole Michelle not conceiving any longer issue. How many times have we heard him subtly jab at her this season for not getting pregnant?
"I don't know if it's my plumbing or hers...heh, heh." "We're trying, but...."
Here's the thing, JB, when a woman nears 50 her odds of conceiving are pretty darned slim. Seeing as how she has conceived 21 of your spawn and given you 19 'Warriors' for 'God's Army' I'd say she's done her duty...many times over.
Sometimes God's answer is 'No'. Are you listening? Nope, didn't think so.

Esther, glad I could give you a giggle.

Ginny said...

RE: Acorn's comment: For the life of me I can't comprehend why Jim Bob & Michelle would want to be back on television after this public shaming and humiliation. One word: Money! They have always been all about the dollar bills.

Bobbi said...

Rachel Menlo on CNN would love to watch her interview Jim Bob & Michelle now that would be an interesting show because she would not hold back.

Springtime said...

Jim Bob must be even more ticked off re: the police chief, as it's a woman:Cathy Kelley. She is highly educated, with training through the FBI.I can't imagine how this information could have remained buried, when someone knew about it, & it was able to be retrieved under the Freedom of Information Act. That's exactly what the FIA is for. It's quite a coincidence that in the past, they have shown the Duggar kids baking cookies for the police dept.& fire dept. there in Springdale at the holidays.

Mindi said...

It appears to me that the police chief did absolutely nothing wrong. She consulted with the City Attorney & it was determined that they had to release the information, under the rules of the FIA. I don't think she's all that worried about it,as she is going o retire at the end of June. Probably just some ploy on the Senator's part to try & effect her pension & benefits when she retires. The men must punish a woman with power somehow.

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Anonymous Ginny said...

RE: Acorn's comment: For the life of me I can't comprehend why Jim Bob & Michelle would want to be back on television after this public shaming and humiliation. One word: Money! They have always been all about the dollar bills.

5/30/2015 5:58 PM

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At the grocery store today there were three magazines with their pitiful looking faces. The picture on one looked like one taken when she miscarried Jubilee. Do they get paid for those? I have seen Kate Middleton on some and doubt they pay her but I'll betcha they are getting paid.

Esther said...

Sen. Bart Hester, who got the Springdale Sheriff fired, passed his bill in the Senate to cut property taxes on billboards. Was isn't that special.....Hester is a billboard owner. http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/03/10/worst-person-in-the-world-bart-hester

capslock said...

THE DUGGARS ARE TALKING!! Fox News, June 3rd, 9PM with Megyn Kelly - The Kelly Files. I can't imagine them saying anything other than the standard Duggarizations, but I'll be watching!!

Too Tragic said...

Questions for Megyn Kelly for starters:

1.As a former lawmaker, you do realize that in the eyes of the law ignorance is no excuse? The statute of limitations is in effect, but otherwise, are you willing to go to jail for having skirted or broken laws if for no other reason than to set an example for your children?
2. Do you intend to continue to kiss, dry hump and make sexual jokes in front of your young, impressionable children, a home where some people would say that they are imprisoned?
3. Are you able to verbalize the word 'sex' and if so, can you say it without snickering?
4. Why did you continue to procreate when you knew your children were at risk for sexual molestation in your home?
5. Jim Bob, you've said that neither you or Michelle went to college and you "did all right." Do you now recognize the value of higher education, that it's about becoming educated and not just about earning more money? If so, what action are you planning to take on behalf of your children's education?

Esther said...

Bart Hester ‏@BartHester May 22 tweeted Proud of my nephew @Bricehester3496 for graduating from Shiloh Christian last night.

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Bart Hester's nephew goes to the same school where Jim Bob graduated from HS when he was almost 19. Bart graduated from the Univ of Arkansas, which the Duggars love.

Sen. Bart Hester, R-Cave Springs, proposed to cut funding to Arkansas’ colleges and universities by as much as $14.6 million in the next fiscal year. Hester, whose main legislative achievement to date has been passing a law prohibiting local governments from extending civil rights to gay people, thinks that more tax cuts are preferable to investing in our children’s future.


- See more at: http://pbcommercial.com/columns-blogs/roy-ockert/legislature-shows-little-regard-power-education#sthash.wNsNgMjD.dpuf

Esther said...


With Judge Stacey Zimmerman’s past ties to Governor Huckabee proudly touted on her 2014 campaign web page, her decision to order police to destroy Josh Duggar’s Offense Record is bound to arouse suspicions surrounding her motives.http://abovethelaw.com/2015/05/judge-expunges-duggar-child-molestation-record/

Sharla said...

Please remember Bart Hester is only relevant in context with the Duggars. Comments on his life or actions alone aren't necessary.

Esther said...


Stacey Zimmerman (Fayetteville) who had the police record destroyed ran for a judge’s seat for which she was arguably ineligible to run, at least based on Judge Cole’s decision in Hulse v. Martin. http://www.bluehogreport.com/2014/04/07/the-scope-of-things-fifty-nine-sitting-judges-with-problematic-suspensions/


Elspeth said...

Just a note for the sake of accuracy: expunging does not equal destruction.

Maxine said...

"Who are we to judge?" "Judging others is wrong." These are some of the statements I've seen on other sites and I'm thoroughly sick of it. We all make judgements every day. Do I get into the car with this person? Do I date this person, invite this one into my home allow that one around my children? JimBob did exactly that when he traveled to Nepal with Jill to meet Derick and to "Get to know this guy's character". That's JimBob speak for judging him to be suitable for his daughter. We all make such judgements daily and we hope and pray they're the right ones.

Captain Crunch said...

Yea! I noticed that about BengermanBenSeewald too! Josh seems a bit clingy to Dim Bulb and Anna seems extra clingy to Joshie. .Jana seemed perturbed as did Jinger...Jill seemed very low-key and half asleep...she wasnt her usual hyper interruption self...bet they have all known for a while that the story was about to break...

Captain Crunch said...

Yea...I too think that Josh and Anna knew that the story would be breaking soon which probably explains why they chose to buy the house in Arkansas....

Sharla said...

Then STOP now and go live YOUR life!!

Pepper, you could take your own advice and quit wasting your time typing comments that never get approved and seldom get read.

Captain Crunch said...

I truly hope she really goes after them on their lies and cover-up actions, & refrains from softball questions. I also hope she sticks up for his victims.

Captain Crunch said...

Poppin fresh!

no1 said...

I still want to know exactly when TLC found out about the child molestation.

Also, John David is now a cop / constable or some such. When he received training for this position, I assume he would have been briefed on molestation laws and especially about mandated reporting. Is he under Jim Bob's control so much or so brain washed he was unable to understand the full truth about the abuse?

Heart in Florida said...

I think many people confuse one's opinion as being a judgment. We are entitled to opinions and we have the mental capacity to made decisions..these are not judgments. I have an opinion about the Duggar family, I don't judge them. I wish more of their fan followers would realize this. The Duggar family ALSO has judgments, many of them about the outside world and most of the people IN it..they are allowed their opinions so should we be allowed the same regarding this family and their like minded families.

Helen Crump said...

Too Tragic: I love those questions...they should be emailed to the interviewer...with a request that unless these questions or types of questions like this will be asked, please don't do the interview...we are tired of the same old Duggar canned responses....these are the real questions that a journalist should be asking...you hit the nail on the head...

Heart in Florida said...

I, for one, don't want to hear the Duggars "share their hearts" yet again...I would like to hear the truth from them for a change...they obviously have lying, cheating hearts...they defrauded the public with their perfect parenting image since the beginning and did nothing to correct the record of people's opinion of them.

Dawn Oand said...

I can't ever remember a time when an adult man who was accused of a past crime (whether done as a minor or an adult) and admitted to it, had his daddy & mommy go on TV for an interview instead of having to answer for himself. Fox should be interviewing Josh!!!

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