Free Discussion, June, 2015

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Acorn said...

So the Duggar's "pastor", Ronnie Floyd has come out and said that "God can forgive anything". Blah blah blah. First of all the article says that this guy is Jill and Derick's pastor. For a long time I've wonder exactly who is the Duggars pastor? There has never been a clear answer. I don't think they have a pastor. I don't think they regularly attend any church. I think the reason they don't attend one church regularly is because Jim Bob is answerable to no one. He doesn't want any guidance. He doesn't feel he needs any. He is above the church, above God's laws and above the laws of the town, state and country. I hope someone can expose him for the fraud he truly is. His children, especially his older daughters, have and continue to suffer a great deal because of his ignorant, idiotic logic and giant ego.

Rudy Tecat said...

After the Bill Gothard molestation charges, the Doug Phillips (Vision Forum head who handed Michelle the "Mother of the Year" Award) mess with his assistant/nanny, and now the Joshie mess, when will JB and Michelle and all the rest quit this attitude that their faith keeps them pure? They're no better than anyone else. And, enough of this purity before marriage talk -- all I hear from JB and Michelle and the Bates (including the oldest son) is about how they made mistakes before they got married (kissing!) and how it was ok for them but not anyone else! Give it up, people. Your purity experiment failed! It doesn't matter!

Heart in Florida said...

So, I read that Michelle Duggar gave advice publicly about the importance of purity? How is that when in her own set of spiritual beliefs her own daughters would not be considered pure after this situation from years ago....aren't those females affected by the "Josh thing" considered damaged goods? Did or does their future husbands have to know that "someone else WAS there before them"? I, for one, would NOT consider victims of incest/molestation as being impure at all....it wasn't their doing... but what does the Duggar belief system say about that? This is a belief system that they publicly advertise that they belong to and live out to the fullest.
I would think if my mother and father went out there and pontificated about things such as purity, etc, I would be spitting nails. I wonder what those victims think, whoever they are.

Dar said...

The Bates family has issued a statement that they are praying for their dear friends and will respect their privacy during this time and will make no more comments about the issue.

June Bug said...

I have never understood the whole "Home Church" thing. Why don't the Duggars attend a regular church. Is its Jim Bob's need to be in controll of everything? This has never made any sense to me, who is the pastor Jim Bob?.

Pam said...

Does anyone know if Marjorie has run for the hills yet? Also, has there been any word from the Kellers?

wampascat said...

Yeah, the Duggars have always compared purity to a brand new bike and the loss to a thief stealing said bike and doing stunt jumps. What do they say about a brother sneaking all of his sister's bikes out, over and over, and wrecking them all?

Mary said...

wait has Josh appolized I mean really a appolizy? I think Jimboop has his own church (faamily compound and land) thus plays no taxes. Its really to bad this fox show will not be live or questions from people allowed. I love to see a focus group after the Q&A. I don't think we will see or hear one word. It will be aall the precious ones happy face we all know.. We also know the Duggars will not get any hard questions Because Megyn will be so excited to talk to them.

One more thing All this covering of the women folk in the family when having a untresound and stupid rule it will temp a man.
Are the men in this family alway in heat. do they not have any self control. We know Jim bob does not.. He is nothing but a foul mouth pig If my Dad acted like that I would have been gone as soon as I could Money or not

Heart in Florida said...

I seriously wonder how Anna must feel after having made all those TH segments on 19Kids about the benefits and rewards of waiting until marriage and sharing "those things ONLY with the one that God has for you" now? Anyone remember that she was filmed saying this more than once, and with Josh right by her side nodding his head in agreement....what about that choice that he took away from those females involved? I bet Anna feels like a fool saying such things, after all, her "private parts" weren't the only one HER husband has seen. I would be humiliated if I were her and I would be elsewhere with my children and my lawyers' phone number on speed dial. Methinks she needs to be a Florida resident for 6 months before she can file for divorce as a resident of Putnam County, FLorida.
I shake my head at those now silly interviews about maintaining their purity for marriage and we all know they weren't referring to being a virgin at marriage; they really meant literally not having been touched by any guy. Josh is a fraud too,IMO.

Sharon said...

The no taxes on the property because of church has been debunked multiple times.

KAtie's Mom said...

Acorn, What A great post. My sentiments exactly!

Katie's Mom said...

Sharla, You should try to get a nap in before the Duggars make their appearance tomorrow night!

Andrea said...

I really like Acorn's comment: I don't think they have a pastor. I don't think they regularly attend any church. I think the reason they don't attend one church regularly is because Jim Bob is answerable to no one. He doesn't want any guidance. He doesn't feel he needs any. He is above the church, above God's laws and above the laws of the town, state and country. I hope someone can expose him for the fraud he truly is. His children, especially his older daughters, have and continue to suffer a great deal because of his ignorant, idiotic logic and giant ego.

It's so true. This man has the ego of no one else. I'm also curious to know who else attends their home church. Is this some sort of weirdo christian movement? It's beyond odd. Who exactly are these church elders his is referring to? I think it's really sad for the children that they're not even able to attend a "main stream" church and participate in their youth groups, missions, etc. I can't tell if the adult children are super isolated or not. I mean, Jessa had several none family member bridesmaids . . . who were there and where did they come from? Jill is clearly not very popular, she had no one other than her sisters.

Sharon M said...

Since we have not heard anything from the older girls, I got to wondering. Jill had a huge baby registry at Walmart (remember the soft drinks?) and Babies R Us. I got curious and checked to see if Jessa and Ben had a registry up at either store, and they do not. While I agree that Jessa marches to her own drummer, this family sets up their registry as soon as they find out about a pregnancy or announce an engagement. I find it strange that they didn't do so as soon as they announced her pregnancy. Or, maybe they did, and took it down.

That said, I noticed, and maybe others have as well and mentioned it, but the Babies R US registry lists Jill Duggar Dillard in Covington, LA. Had they anticipated moving at some point?

Acorn said...

So Jim Bob is the "pastor" of their gathering? What does he do, read from the book of Proverbs (which is great but there are 65 other books in the Bible), or the Holy Writings of Gothard and then talk about character traits and how to kiss your wife? You never hear him mention anything about church unless they are going to a church as visiting performers or book signers or celebrities.

DawnDoings said...

The main purpose of God's forgiveness is so people can be with Him in Heaven in the next life. It does not mean we are not accountable for our actions in this life.

This life matters.

Martha Washington said...

Sharon M, I think it's entirely possible that there is another Jill Dillard in this world (poor girl).

As a Christian, I believe that God does forgive our sins. Judgement and vengeance belong to Him. Discernment is what is expected of people, in other words, seeing things as they are and knowing what behavior is wrong in His eyes. Any normal person sees Josh's actions as filthy and immoral. His parents were HIS protectors when he was a minor, as well as their daughters' and it's my opinion that they let Josh down too, not just the girls. So, they need to be called out in public for their failure as parents.

JB was like a cat on a hot tin roof around Jill in Nepal, and even in the church hall before the wedding, demanding a chaperone for devotions of all things. WHERE were he and Michelle when all the blessings desperately needed effective and reasonable parenting. That's what I ultimately want to see addressed. Of course, I have lots of other questions, too, but the ruins of this family lie smoldering at their feet and it's all their fault.

Bobbi said...

Andrea, Jim Bob is his own side show & exhibits every trait of a full blown narcissist. Narcissists deny what they say & are never accountable for their actions. My Dad was a narcissist therefore growing up my siblings & I threaded lightly it was always a home on the edge under the guise of pseudo Baptist Christianity which it was not. This is why I have zero tolerance & zero respect for the phony that is Jim Bob Duggar.

Bobbi said...

I would love to watch a press conference with the Duggars on CNN with Rachel Maddow grilling the Duggars that would be enlightening.

Syndee said...

I know there are bigger issues afoot, but I can't help thinking how less important Jana feels after Josh, Jill, and Jessa + spouses all got invited to speak at Alive. They're still up on the website. So you really have to be married to be important? If it was just married females, then why didn't John David get invited to be a speaker?

Also Jessa must be annoyed that she can't instagram herself all over the internet with that goofy chalkboard (8.35 weeks 9 hrs 15 minutes and 12 seconds) and her modest belly pics the way Jill did. Yet again Jill upstaged her.

Sharla said...

There have been some discussions of Duggar church that have made it out plus they've shown a very few clips of it. A notable one was part of a David Waller "sermon."

They have discussed singing old fashioned hymns, having a communal meal afterward, having the congregation select the hymns, and having one or two people share a message or watching Gothard programs like the Basic and Advanced series.

Sharla said...

Oh and I forgot, according to one of the reports I read Josh was one of the most frequent or most favored speakers.

Acorn said...

Sharla--no! Josh was a favored speaker at the Chuch of Duggar? Wow. Just, wow. Watching Gothard seminars? These people eat, drink and sleep Gothard. Gothard is not a pastor. His recorded seminars are not "church". Where is the accountability here? Where are the elders? They read the Bible through the Gothard filter. They play church with Gothard material. Much of Gothard's stuff is extra-biblical. Most certainly a cult.

cat said...

In regards to Jessa and Ben having a registry, considering they were given the small mold house, but received brand new furniture, maybe they feel they deserve better stores for their registry?

Vivi said...

As Sharon M located the Babies R Us registry is pasted below. It sure does look like Jill and Derrick. Could it be an error on the registry?

JILL DILLARD and DERRICK DILLARD 's Baby Registry
Registry #: 55207458
Maiden/Alternate Name: DUGGAR
Location: COVINGTON, LA
Expected Arrival Date: 03/24/2015
JILL DILLARD's Message:
THANK YOU FOR BLESSING US AND OUR GIFT FROM GOD... WE LOVE YOU ALL

sandi said...

I recall reading on one of the blogs,from someone who attended the Duggar home 'church',that Josh pretty much led the service very week until he moved to DC.

Lydee said...

I find it so ironic that the Duggars may have Caitlyn(Bruce) Jenner to thank for diverting some media attention away from their scandal!!!

almsw119 said...

The more I read about this, the more I am sad for the Duggar girls. They have lived with such intense abuse. Having Josh there, being the "preacher" and having to listen to him is constant emotional abuse! They had to be so fearful of him. I hope this helps push some of them to "spread their wings" and see that this is not normal.

Andrea said...

http://www.people.com/article/duggar-pastor-josh-duggar-scandal

According to this article and Pinnacle Cross Church, "Jill (Duggar) Dillard, and her husband Derick are active members of the church." So Derick doesn't belong to the home church and has taken Jill with her? At least that's movement away from the Duggar compound for Jill.

I really hope we get to the bottom of their actual religion and the true finding that they are in fact a cult. FOX News are you reading this?

Sharon said...

I think that baby registry may have been a fake. It's empty. Anyone can set up a registry.

Karin said...

I just saw on the UP channel they have reruns of "7th Heaven!" I thought that show was taken off the airways after the Stephen Collins' sex scandal. I guess the UP channel will have "19 Kids and Counting" before we know it.

Willow said...

Andrea - For reference about the facts of the Duggar's "religion", please refer to the wealth of information on the internet regarding Bill Gothard and IBLP/ATI organization. It is all there. Most people believe it is a cult, including some who are ex-members. You can draw your own conclusions of course.

Willow said...

Just a thought, but aren't the Ducky Dynasty folks in Louisiana? Have no clue about the actual town, however. I lean toward it being fake, but maybe it was a "decoy". Ha.

Rudy Tecat said...

Isn't the date on the baby registry more than nine months away?

Abbynormal said...

The date on the registry, I believe was Jill's original due date........

Not a Mocker said...

How is that when in her own set of spiritual beliefs her own daughters would not be considered pure after this situation from years ago....aren't those females affected by the "Josh thing" considered damaged goods?
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I don't know how the Duggars would see it, but at my church we don't consider purity to be the history of your body - but rather the direction of your heart. These girls would still be pure because A) they didn't chose what happened to them and B) they are choosing to be pure. And you dont have tho be a virgin to be pure.

I would find a lot of the ways Jim Bob and Michelle act to be very impure (no matter how modest they dress). And the continual harping on their "past mistakes" as almost offensive to the cross. Either they are forgiven irbthey aren't.

Patrice said...

"JB was like a cat on a hot tin roof around Jill in Nepal,..."
It still creeps me out in that clip where Derrick put his arm around Jill and creepy pervert JimBob pushed Derrick aside, stepped between them, and put his arm around Jill and started walking her wherever they were going. Not assuming incest here, but even in the closest knit families, that would be creepy as hell. It certainly does smack of something way closer than just a father-daughter relationship. And then the famous line about "We wear our hair long because daddy likes it that way"...There could be a lot more secrets to come from this looney family in the future.

Bobbi said...

OMG! Just read the basic life principles by Gothard. It's subliminal in the hidden agenda about how to live a good life. Clearly Gothard emphasizes that Men are the first & last authority over women & children. Basically women are less than, must be compliant in every aspect to a man or a husband, dress modestly, always keep sweet, never argue, remain at home until marriage, absolutely no careers outside of the home, absolutely no birth control, no decisions are made by women, must ask permission of man or husbands regarding spending money or asking for money. When leaving the home for any reason, a woman must be accompanied by a husband or a sibling or member of the church. Never venture from the home alone. These rules imprison women & are disgusting. Gothard cult needs to be investigated & quickly.

Bobbi said...

Is Cross Church (the church in which Jill & Derick married) affiliated with the Gothard Cult?

Cedric said...

Marjorie should run for the hills. Perhaps her parents have intervened one can only hope.

Esther said...

RE: Jim Bob being a minister:

google this string of keywords together: jim bob baptized amy
Lots of sites come up. Even their family blog talks about it: Amy is baptized for the first time and is thrilled to have her Uncle Jim Bob do the honors.


In the church I was raised in, you had to be an ordained minister to baptize people....but it may be different in other denominations.

Darla Loftus said...

Well said...Heaven help the female born into a Patriarchal family! Neither the wife, nor the daughters have any autonomy in a family like this!

Darla Loftus said...

I agree... He is a narcissist with an overblown ego. I was a regular viewer of the show. Not because I I admired this family...I don't and never did! I was curious...both Jim Bob, and Josh gave me an uneasy feeling from the very first time I saw the show. The family's morality was way too high...they expected unrealistic behavior from their children, which had the now-known, disastrous result for both Josh, and his sisters...so sad!

Darla Loftus said...

Jim Bob on inserting himself between Derick, and Jill, in Nepal, was laughable, and utterly ridiculous! I wonder if he shared a hotel room with his daughter, so he could keep an eye on her? You can tell that Jill has been thoroughly indoctrinated, by him! That scene, in the show, where he pur himself between Jill and Derrick, made me want to gag!

Bobbi said...

Need to add.. I cannot imagine any intelligent woman would agree to no birth control that's just frightening. When I was young, Iwas always on birth control. I was grateful for birth control it was freedom. These poor married Duggar girls, not control or voice over their bodies just continual pregnancies. In a way I believe they waste their brain matter. I believe Jessa is intelligent & could be so much more than a baby factory. Re Jill well I can't go there.

Andrea said...

Bobbi said...
Is Cross Church (the church in which Jill & Derick married) affiliated with the Gothard Cult?

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I can't tell. This is what is so confusing about the Duggard's and Gothard. As far as I can tell, families can be of different faiths but still attend ATI Conferences and purchase the "curriculum". It's kind of different from other cults, where cult members are "all in." I think both wedding have been at Cross Church because the church had the space and the technology requirements for Duggar weddings. Cross Church looks like the standard mega church to me.

Bobbi said...

Not a Mocker, the purity thing well with thevDuggars & Gothard rules, it's about being chaste before marriage. The Duggars main focus is all about sex, the parents taunting sex, dry humping in front of courting couples making sexual innuendos but hey what the heck they are the epitome of Christians throughout the world. The Duggars, such a huge SCAM! N

Rachel said...

Patrice,

I couldn't agree more with your comment! That scene from Nepal creeped me out then but even more so now.

I don't like to think horrible things like incest happen in the world, BUT after the police report that came out etc... Who knows what in the hell has gone on behind close doors all these years?

If you look on YouTube "14 kids and counting" it's around the time of the molestation/incest. The girls ALL have very dark circles under their eyes like they do not sleep & have dead very sad eyes. It is SO HEARTBREAKING seeing that knowing what we know now.

I also think Jim Bob's comments on Jill & Jess's Wedding Days were very creepy.

Leslie said...

Esther said..."In the church I was raised in, you had to be an ordained minister to baptize people....but it may be different in other denominations."

Yup. I always thought that whole thing with Jim Bob baptizing Amy was just weird. Of course, I'm an "evil Catholic," so I'm used to people who do those things having to be, you know...Actually educated in theology and ordained by the Church! Same thing with the "home church." I've never understood what gives them the idea that anyone who isn't educated or trained in anything, much less theology, has any authority to baptize, lead church services, etc. More cult-like behavior in my mind, but maybe someone of another denomination can explain it to me.

Leigh Ann said...

"Esther said..."In the church I was raised in, you had to be an ordained minister to baptize people....but it may be different in other denominations.""

Same with the denomination I grew up in and still belong to but my husband went to a Great Commission church and they believe any baptized Christian can baptize someone and my husband (who is not in any way a minister) baptized someone once. GC churches get their name and stance on baptism from the Great Commission in Matthew where Jesus said "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". He was talking to the apostles but obviously that's a pretty big job for 11 people and they weren't going to live forever, either. So many people take that to be instructions to every Christian. Jesus never laid down any rules about who can and can't baptize, he just said to go do it. There are no instances of women baptizing anyone in the bible but women weren't allowed to do much back then, anyway. My daughter was baptized by a woman, the children's minister at our church.

Mindi said...

You know it's completely ridiculous that Megyn Kelly, who admits she's never watched this show is doing the interview. Does she know that when the couples are courting that the parents tell them; "you can't kiss yet, we'll do it for you?" "Let us know when you want to kiss & we'll do the kissing." Then add things like the dry humping. The time they were gong to pray holding hands & they placed a small child in between Jessa & Ben, so they wouldn't be holding hands during the prayer. If Megyn Kelly was doing a thorough interview she would have spent all her free time watching episodes of the Duggars. She would then be overdosed on saccharin & unable to do the interview. For God's sake Megyn get a grip, you really have no idea what you're walking into, but you know what we do, as were the ones that have watched all this pious drivel play out over the years. Enough is enough & this scandal is exactly what most people thought would come out someday. Amazed it took this long.

coleen said...

DM has some new stories up

What was filmed for the upcoming season: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3108207/Josiah-Duggar-Marjorie-Jackson-courting-Jessa-hears-baby-s-heartbeat-time-Jill-family-going-Nepal-missionary-work-moments-WON-T-TLC-cancels-19-Kids-Counting.html

Update of the Duggar police report: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3109428/New-Duggar-police-report-reveals-Josh-confessed-THREE-times-father-molested-girls-home-Jim-Bob-Michelle-faced-prison-cover-up.html

TLC could have a spin-off show with the Dillards in Nepal.

Mary said...

Megyn will go easy on them.. Its the evil liberals out to get them Look at her interview below... Fail, balance and

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/02/fox-news-why-isnt-media-scrutinizing-how-josh-duggars-police-file-got-leaked


Mary

funtally said...

No, that is a Southern Baptist Church. I seriously doubt that they are "active " members. If so, why were they so unfamiliar with the church when they went to see it before the wedding? They didn't even know their way around. I don't think they had ever been there before.

Elspeth said...

Cross Church was previously First Baptist and was where Jim Bob and Michelle were married. Wasn't it Derick's home church also before they were married? There are pictures of Jill, Derick, and Izzy leaving a regular Baptist church after Sunday service and several articles referencing them being regular members.

Mary said...

Hi

Remember people these people watch No tv and internet is closely watched. I wonder if the married girls have internet free of daddy's control.

The first time this happened Jimboop should have put a chair and sat on it all night to prevent Josh from going into girls room Instead of making babies. He could have had a camera (Motion) if someone opened the door aaand entered it.

I still think he is still doing it



Mary

Leslie said...

Oh, Lord! Here we go! FOX News just put up a :30 clip of the interview! Definitely the same drivel we've heard all along! "...so much grief in our hearts...we felt like we'd failed...tried to raise our kids right...bad mistakes!" And Michelle was sitting there holding what looked to be a sheet of paper! Rehearsed questions and answers, anyone!?! *BANGS HEAD ON DESK* Make the idiocy and the hypocrisy stop!!!

Acorn said...

Yes, Mary, Jim Bob should have guarded the girls bedroom door instead of making babies. They could have put a camera in the hallway or a LOCK on the girls'' door. This whole thing makes my blood boil.

Annie said...

Ok, I just googled JB baptizing Amy in the Jordan River. The articles that I found said that her family church hopped a lot and never got around to baptizing her. I also read that Grandma and 8 of the kids were re-baptized. It is not said, but assumed that JB did that as well. As a devout Christian, I also question where his authority comes from. I am familiar with the verses in the New Testament about going out and sharing the gospel but it has to be done under proper authority. This can't be bought or self ordained. It must be properly bestowed. He can't just put on a white robe and dunk someone in the name of God and call it good. So, let's just take this argument a little further-if he can do that, why doesn't he perform his children's marriage ceremonies if he claims to have his own church? The answer is he doesn't have any authority. it's all in his head and ego. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean anything and everyone involved just went for a dunk in the River Jordan. He is creepy. Why did Grandma and the kids need to be redunked anyway?

Mary said...

Hi

Remember people these people watch No tv and internet is closely watched. I wonder if the married girls have internet free of daddy's control.

The first time this happened Jimboop should have put a chair and sat on it all night to prevent Josh from going into girls room Instead of making babies. He could have had a camera (Motion) if someone opened the door aaand entered it.

I still think he is still doing it



Mary

Leslie said...

Re: "Redunking"

That's yet another issue I had with that whole thing. As I said before, I'm Catholic, and we won't rebaptize anyone, even if they were baptized in another Christian denomination. In the case of someone who's converting to Catholism from another Christian denominaton, they're confirmed and recieve First Communion only. As far as baptism, it's one and done as far as we're concerned.

Beth said...

I'm really having a problem with how "out there" this family is. The parents are appearing tonight on Fox News. The daughters apparently are being interviewed this Friday. I enjoyed this family when they had occasional specials to provide updates. The regular series is now obviously scripted and not reality.

Furthermore, this just screams money grubbing and attention seeking behavior to me. Elizabeth Smart, who was kidnapped for nine months, did write a book about her experience but it did not become her WHOLE LIFE. She moved on, went to school, married and now has a three month old daughter that we JUST found out about (http://www.usatoday.com/…/kidnapping-survivor-eli…/28295333/). I respect Elizabeth tremendously for her courage and strength for overcoming such a horrible ordeal. I also admire her for not making it her life's work to be in our face and remind us about it.

The Duggars need to step back, assess what is really important to them and if they decide that the fame and money is what is most important, then just OWN THAT! Stop spreading your Christian "ideals" when Jesus himself said the following:

Mark 10:17–27; Luke 18:18–27
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

And note, Jesus also said to NOT LIE!

They are hypocritical and out for the money. Go and do good for the poor. Don't brag about it and don't have cameras following you around to document it.

MSR said...

Beth, I just couldn't agree more! The Duggars are hypocrites!!

Anonymous said...

I agree with you.
If this were any other boy/man instead of a TV personality this case would be straightforward. He would be a pedophile and labeled as a sex offender and his victims are victims of incest. It is not a pretty picture at all and I really feel that the Duggars are downplaying the ugliness of it all. Heaven help this world when we start to become complacent about abuse. It is insulting to all victims of abuse. The Duggars need to face this problem head on.. stop the denial and the sugar coating and and be accountable for what happened.

HardyHar said...

Does anyone know if the Duggars have to tithe?

Andrea said...

Interesting . . . I just re-read the intouch police report and according to the report the family was living at 2001 Johnson Rd., Springdale. I take it this was their rental home before they moved to the family homestead / industrial building they call home. Guess what stands at 2001 Johnson Rd now, Cross Church, Springdale Campus. Weird right?

Elspeth said...

Very few people in the world "have" to tithe. It's actually an Old Testament rule that gets used to try to get money to run churches.

It isn't odd at all that the Duggar rental house is now a church. They had trouble finding someone who would rent to them because of their horde of children. The church did because they had already scheduled the demolition of the house.

Helen Crump said...

If I hear Michelle say "share their hearts' one more time, I'm going to puke. I rewatched that interview tonight and she spoke like a little girl...that woman needs to grow up already.

Ashtyn cullen said...

Anna now has to deal with the fact that she married a child molester and that her gravy train is now gone. Also, she might be thinking, deep down, that her seemingly perfect life has all been imploded.

Katie's Mom said...

Since I have been extremely critical of the Duggars & admit to calling them liars & hypocrites. I have to wonder just what people think about, how after the loss of Jubilee, Michelle in every talking head segment went on ad nauseam about adoption. God had laid adoption on their hearts,& they were really praying about adoption,as she didn't think she could conceive another child. She thought she might be going through that; "season of life." They knew there wasn't even a remote possibility of an adoption, with a child molester in their family. But that was all right as they never had any intention of adopting. Just more lies. They really are unbelievable. I don't know how they kept this secret this long.
Now how about Jessa & Ben adopting with an uncle that's a molester?

Kelsey said...

I would be interested to hear if Derick or Ben were told before they got married. Maybe the family played it off as no big deal, that Josh has been forgiven by God and that's good enough for them. But as the girls's husbands I'd still be disturbed and angry. How could they not be, knowing their wives were assaulted as girls by their own big brother? If they can brush it off like the rest, then they're no better than the rest of the clan.

Zoe's Mom said...

HardyHar, I believe the Duggar parents and their kids don't belong to any outside church..it's all their own made up one..so, who would Jim Bob tithe to? Himself, of course...and he received or received many tithes from "his followers"...clever, isnt' it?

Londonbridges said...

I really don't have anything new to say. The posters here have covered the issues very well. Sharla, thank you for all your hard work and many hours you spend on this blog. I really appreciate it.

Susie said...

I think many of us have been aware of Jim Bob's obsessive control and disrespect for women and girls for some time now. He is very bad at hiding it. Two things stand out in my mind:

1--the episode where he takes all of his boys out for a fun day of paint ball or fishing or camping or something like this, then he takes them to a flower shop and "teaches" them to bring flowers home to the girls. The girls stayed home and cooked, cleaned, changed diapers and worked. Phony respect. Sickening.

2--Jim Bob said in an on-camera interview segment "well, after 19 kids, it is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway" when he was asked about his sex life. No respect.

I can only imagine the things he must say to Josh and his boys when the cameras are not rolling. This is a very sick family because they follow Jim Bob Duggar, a very sick man.

Willow said...

I agree with Londonbridges and send many, many thanks to Sharla. You have been there for us through all these years - since way back in the beginning of the Kate days as well. What would we have done without you? We appreciate it and hope you can endure with us a little longer.

I just want to add to this mess that I am so glad the "Gothard" part of this story is becoming known to the mainstream media. Thank goodness for that at least. That is what I was praying for. I

coleen said...

This is a blog by a woman who was raised in ATI. Her 'Awkward' list (as an adult looking back on her ATI childhood) is very interesting.

http://heresyintheheartland.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/awkward.html

Living in Indy said...

I'am elated that Jim Bob Duggar No Longer Holds a Political Office of any type. Even if the guy ran for dog catcher Hapoy he's not in office.

Chloe said...

Question?? Does anyone know if Marjorie & Josiah are still in a courtship? I am hoping Marjorie's parents engage the frontal lobe if their brains & counsel Marjorie that this courtship with Josiah may be unhealthy especially if Marjorie has to deal with self appointed Saint Jim Bob. I hope Marjorie will see the real picture, wake up & bolt!!

Chloe said...

Lately with this huge hovel of a Duggar mess & after the interview by Megyn Kelly with JB & M, I equate their behavior to that of a horse wearing blinders. Clearly JB & M live in a pretend world as do many who choose to live in a cult environment. Eventually all is exposed & the walls come tumbling down into dust.

coleen said...

It just occurred to me. Wasn't one of Honey Boo Boo's sisters molested and during the days after the cancelation wasn't that information released? I don't recall there being a fan uproar about her abuse record being released.

Living in Indy said...

Just watched the Megyn Kelly interview with Jill Dillard & Jessa Seewald. It was so typical & not a surprise. Both seemed rehearsed & angry with the tabloids, police & media. However all is forgiven with Josh. Josh just keeps getting lauded & no accountability. If Josh is truly remorseful then why isn't Josh coming forward & permitting media to interview him. I think his behavior is that of a coward.

Bobbi said...

I so agree with Williw. Sharla absolutely ROCKS!!!! Thank you Sharla for your patience & endurance!

My Way said...

I think the reason Josh isn't coming forward is because he has quite a temper & they are not sure they can trust him in an interview on his own. Also after all, he is Josh..the "Golden Boy," & really doesn't need to address this, as long as Mom, Dad & the victims will speak for him.

Aunt Bea said...

Anna should give her own interview and answer whatever is asked of her about this situation. She claims to be a grown up mother of 26 years old;;;act like one and be a woman; not a doormat. Tell they truth the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth as you claim to be honest Christians...You know folks, persons of other faiths can also be honest, truthful and good people and pleasing to God. I don't like the term "Christian thing to do, etc" because is excludes other faiths as having good people too. The Duggars are Christian snobs with an opinion of themselves as being morally superior and advanced in their pleasing God. I don't think that God is overly impressed with them than He is pleased with any good person trying their best in this life.

Aunt Bea said...

It has been my opinion that the Duggar family was "scared to death"...of everything, now I know why. Yes,indeed they were and still are.
How could they justify sequestering their children in such a protective life within their household to shelter them from the evils on the outside( like us heather folks out here) when that very evil lurked in their own home? They really are disasterous, failures at being parents, IMO.

Dee said...

From My Way:
"I think the reason Josh isn't coming forward is because he has quite a temper & they are not sure they can trust him in an interview on his own..."

I agree 100%. I am thoroughly convinced that Josh is a narcissist and doesn't see anything he does as wrong and would refuse to have his actions questioned.
I also believe that Josh's predilection for being a sexual predator has not magically 'gone away'.
There are more skeletons rattling around in his and other Duggar closets.
I hope they come out soon so this whole circus can be canned.

Kelsey said...

Anyone remember when Josh got married his dad gave him a book on newlywed sex? Jim Bob was practically giddy that his son was going to finally become a "real" man. I don't think either of their girls even got a "what to expect" talk.

Too Tragic said...

JB and M said Josh was a young boy of 14 and 15 when this occurred. Yet Josh has bragged many times, including on his FRC website bio, of graduating from high school at age 16. Either 15 is old enough to know molestation is a crime, or "testing" out of high school at 16 means nothing as far as education and maturity go.

In the past two weeks, Jim Bob and Michelle could have renounced the cult and asked for patience while they immediately extricate their family from the cult and accept the legal consequences of their actions, and they might have gained some respect for that. But they're too self-righteous, anti-education and in love with their celebrity life to take seriously the advice of cult outsiders. Richard Holloway once said that "Biblical literalists are people who 'know' the truth absolutely and so are not able to engage in conversation; they're only able to engage in a pronouncement."

Frankie said...

I feel so sorry for Anna. She is stuck with this fat pervert for the rest of her life. I think she found out about this the same time we did. Even if she did want to leave Josh, she would never actually do it. This cult is the only life she's ever known and it's been ingrained in her to put on a smile and 'stand by your man' no matter what. The man is the authority and the wife is there to serve him. Always. Also, she would be shunned by all her family and friends if she did leave. Because a woman divorcing her husband would be unforgivable...but a guy molesting his sisters...meh.

Chloe said...

My Way, yes Josh definitely has a temper & as an adult has demonstrated & often that he's incapable of controlling his temper. By his parents, Josh has been cultivated to believe that he's the golden child, entitled & that he never has to be responsible for any actions. Just as Jim Bob is a narcissist so is Josh. Both will never be accountable for anytng they say or do. Both are not authentic people. I feel so sad & sorry for Anna. I suppose in a way it's good that Anna's personality is one that never challenges Josh. I believe if Anna disagreed or never challenged Josh she may be in some danger. It's just my women's intuition & that's my opinion. I've always believed Josh could be abusive & he demonstrated that behavior long ago with his sisters. However because this scandal is now made Public, I am sure this made him angry. I hope Josh does not take his anger out on his wife & family. With Josh's recent termination from the FRC & outing of the molestation he has to be fuming. I hope someone intervenes on behalf of Anna & the children. I just don't trust Josh to be an equitable person.

Too tragic said...

By the way, where is Josh? He can't hide forever. At some point he has to come out and face the music. My personal hope is to see a picture of Anna and the kids with the sister who left the cult so she can start being deprogrammed. At least talk about it with a relative. If I were her I would feel totally betrayed and anguished by my in-laws and quite frankly, never want to see them again.

Bobbi said...

Too Tragic, very impressive & accurate post. BTW I don't believe one who receives a GED graduated they just receive a certificate of basic education. As we all know & are aware a GED will never compare with that of a Four Year High School Diploma. If Josh were the smartest person on the planet if which he attempts to project, then he would have taken the SAT or ACT & applied to gain entrance into a college or university. Josh enjoys fooling himself it is his Sport of choice.

Acorn said...

When our family first started watching the Duggars we were facinated by a large home schooled family who seemed to be religious. Over the years we kind of got sucked into their lives. It was interesting. Some of my kids were the same age as the Duggar kids. As I watched, though, I became increasingly uneasy about Jim Bob's constant sexual innuendos and crude comments. Right before this scandal broke I and my kids had had about enough of the Duggars and had begun to criticize the inconsistencies. Then the scandal broke. I never told my 12 year old about it because it was too sordid. Then we were at the store and saw the tabloids. She asked me what was going on so I whispered the answer when we were by ourselves so my younger ones wouldn't hear. Her response was "wow, that's really messed up". She was disgusted. And disappointed. Mind you, our children attend public school in the Northeast. Even though she has lots of friends at school, some who have experienced unfortunate family events, she was very shocked at this story. What happened in the Duggar home was not normal. If Jim Bob is telling us that this is a common occurence I'm not sure what kind of friends he runs with. What goes on in this Gothard cult???

Bobbi said...

Frankie, Anna may feel trapped & betrayed not only by Josh but by JB & M as well. However As a Gothard dutuful Stepford wife, Anna is pre conditioned never to challenge or rock the boat. Anna will repress her feelings & will go along to get along.. Long ago Anna may have realized the enormity of Josh's temper & is playing it safe. Frankly because Anna is so indoctrinated within the Gothard cult by both her parents & Josh she may not kniow better. I just don't believe Anna is that bright to confront Josh or to do anything with regard to vacating or leaving Josh. Thankfully Anna & Josh are opposite in personality. My fear is for Anna's children & the one yet to be born. God help them.

Bobbi said...

When Jish became engaged to Anna he behaved as if Anna were really lucky to get someone like him. Even when 19 Kids first began, Josh was always a camera hog spewing nonsensical comments about subjects he knew very little. From the beginning Josh exhibited one who is narcissistic, elitist & entitled. Josh behaves if a person should meet him they should feel honored to have met him. This is the image Josh projects to the world. Josh believes he's a celebrity. The offer to work for the FRC further inflated his ego. So now with this scandal & termination from the FRC, Josh has to be reeling inside. As he is a narcissist, I am sure he is blaming everyone but himself. Psych 101, narcissists cannot take responsibility for their actions or words they are incapable of owning the aforementioned. I don't believe Josh will agree to be interviewed unless he's in complete control & that won't occur. Josh needs to apply to a college or a trade school & earn a real living. In the 21st century, a GED won't cut the mustard. Josh & the entire Duggar family need to realize reality programs do not continue forever & also that.. All Glory is Fleeting!!

Cedric said...

Keksey, I remember the "talk" & book Jim Bob gave or tried to give to Josh. Josh (as usual) touted that he knew it all. Guess he did.

Chloe said...

Susie, it is the mission if Jim Bob to teach his sons to exploit, minimize & objectify women, making inappropriate jokes about & in front of them all the while knowing the Gothard conditioned women will never challenge him but only smile, whistle a happy tune & skip along their merry way say well that's just a guy & it isn't its disgusting & wrong.

Heart in Florida said...

When daddy gave Josh that book the night before he married Anna, Josh said not to worry about him understanding "what to do" because he had a working model. We didn't know that he had been tinkering around with that working model already. So deceitful...it's nauseating.

Bobbi said...

Before Jim Bob & Michelle will renounce the Gothard cult they FIRST must ACKNOWLEDGE they are in a Cult. Does anyone who posts at this blog believe that will happen because I don't. Jim Bob needs to believe that he's the self entitled saint. Jim Bob is a narcissist. If one angers a narcissist the end result may be horrific. I know because for over 32,years I was married to one. Thankfully with outside help, I got out & safely. This Duggar family is a pressure cooker that one day will explode. A narcissist is in charge of this Duggar compound & challenging him on any subject could be devestating. I believe that long ago Michelle realized this about Jim Bob. I am not a fan of Michelle however I believe she overlooks so much of Jim Bob's inappropriate behavior simply because she's fearful of him. I understand this behavior in Michelle. I also once lived in fear of my husband & grateful to be away from him & done with him.

KatieP said...

In NO way would I defend the horrific action Josh chose. However, I realize growing up in an extreme isolated & Cult situation, Josh is a product of his environment perpetuated by the Gothard & ill advised & undereducated parents. With no friends. & constant interaction with siblings & as a teen he allowed curiosity to rule himself & was caught. I definitely put the blame on not only Josh but absolutely Jim Bob & Michelle for ignorant parenting. I hope one day the kids allow their frontal lobes to develop & confront Jim Bob & Michelle as to why they chose to limit their kids in every aspect possible. I hope one day these kids realize the stupidity of their parents with righteous anger which to me would be justified.

IUHOOSIER said...

The mission statement of the Duggars is... Lies, deceit, hypocrisy, contradiction, chaos & finally a CULT that controls & rules their lives. It was NEVER a ministry it was all about the $$$$ & that is still the reality. The Duggars fool no one but themselves.

70'schild said...

Big YAWN! Fox News is once again airing the interview with Jim Bob, Michelle, Jill & Jessa. I chose to avoid this Duggar mess.

Cedric said...

Remember during Anna & Josh's wedding reception Cousin Amy was teasing Josh & he reacted in anger by tossing cake on to Amy 's dress. I realize Amy can be a pain in the neck however Josh at his wedding reception should have handled Amy's teasing in a better way. Perhaps he could have alerted Michelle or one of his sisters to intervene? However narcissists do not think in a normal or what we believe to be normal. They always react before thinking. That's just not a smart way to behave however it is the thinking pattern of a narcissist to always react vs thinking about another resolution. It's also indicative of one who is immature or who never grew up.

hello said...

"Kelsey said...

Anyone remember when Josh got married his dad gave him a book on newlywed sex? Jim Bob was practically giddy that his son was going to finally become a "real" man. I don't think either of their girls even got a "what to expect" talk.

6/06/2015 10:00 AM"

I believe Mullet talked to them and told them to always be available to their husband and to never say no to them. I doubt she explained anything to them about sex. They went into marriage believing that the husband is the authority figure and is always in charge. The girls have been trained since birth that their sole purpose in life is to have daddy find them a husband and to pop out as many babies as possible. Of course that is after they spent all of their time at home raising their siblings and doing all the housework and cooking for Queen Mullet.

Cedric said...

Also should add if looks could kill from Josh, Cousin Amy would be done. Right them I knew Josh was not what he projected to be his true colors really showed at his wedding reception.

Chloe said...

Another red flag... When Josh was offered a position with the FRC in DC, he should have been forth coming about the molestation with his sisters & my the babysitter. Josh should have realized a position with the FRC would focus or call attention to him & the FRC as the FRC is a lobbying organization. Josh decided to hide his crime & once outed was viewed by the FRC as a person who lacks credibility, accountability, honesty & integrity. I realize Josh resigned however, I believe his resignation was forced by the FRC & their reputation isn't currently the most stellar. I wonder what Josh's colleagues thought when this resignation went down & that initially they were passed over by a guy with limited education & corrupt values?

Andrea said...

I agree with Too tragic. Where is Josh? And where are the paparazzi? Kate plus her eight were everywhere when her show folded. She lived in rural PA, I'd think North West AR would be much easier to get to. Weird right?

Chloe said...

I feel so sorry for Anna. I know she may be confused but because of the cult in which she lives & her children with one more on the way realizes she's stuck. We know that Josh has a temper. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in their home. From observing Anna, to me she seemed one who better please Josh & not make him angry. I guess one could say Anna may be on edge & that's not a healthy way to live. This scandal must have effected their relationship. I am sure Anna tows the line with Josh to maintain peace in the family. My heart goes out to Anna & her kids. Perhaps one day she may just decide to flee.

Too Tragic said...

I think it's safe to say that barely a smidgen has been learned by JB, M and Jill as they've "walked through" this tragic situation. JB confirmed that when asked about the show and he said it wasn't fair to punish the whole family for the mistakes of one. Guess what, JB? First, not having a reality show is not a punishment. You are not entitled to a reality show just because you want one. Second, it isn't the mistakes of ONE person that got the public in an uproar. It was the mistakes of THREE and yours are most definitely at the top of the list as criminal, immoral, and self-serving.

I guess Jill just posted her baby's two-month old birthday online today. Jill, haven't you learned ANYTHING? Do you seriously have not a clue that you're putting your precious child in exactly the same position as yourself? Selling your child's privacy whether for dollars or adulation, you commit him to the same dangerous notoriety as you, subject to possible humiliating disclosures in the future. And personally, I really don't want to hear anymore about your child's month to month birthdays, etc. I have my own child who is just as special and I don't need to live vicariously through yours.

It's not a stretch to see how far off the mark Josh's behavior was at 14 based on what's "normal" in most families. When my son was 14 he started doing his own laundry because he didn't want any of his clothes touching girls' underwear. We laughed at the time, but I see now that this was a healthy decision on his part.

The pressure to get these people off TV needs to continue in full force if for no other reason than to preserve some privacy for the younger Duggars. They do not need to grow up thinking it's good to be photographed constantly as JB and M do.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Too Tragic's comments. I agree with your post, but my fear is that people have very short memories. I can see that Jill is well on the road to recovery as a victim, at least what she thinks is recovery, as she hasn't truly dealt with this yet. I don't believe any of them will deal with it in any other manner. The entire family is now saying that they need to move on. What that actually translates to is: How soon will TLC let them know that all is forgiven, come back to the fold?
I am beyond angry with Megyn Kelly. I think if she was going to do that interview she had an obligation to at the very least watch a dozen or more of the Duggar shows. The ones where Michelle goes to pieces because Jill gives Derick a frontal hug at the airport. Or when they were in the restaurant & Jessa & Ben were seated next to each other & started to hold hands during the prayer. Michelle actually said; " daddy what should we do?" Did Megyn ever seen any of the shows where Josh is pontificating about his & Anna's purity? Jim Bob dry humping Michelle in front of the courting couple. It just goes on & on ad nauseam. I would think if Ms. Kelly is too busy to watch any of these episodes, there would at least be interns at the network that could have reported back to her on these issue before her "big interviews." It was ridiculous & I don't think she did herself or the Duggars any favors regardless of her ratings. Michelle & Jim Bob are both ignorant hicks, who have never learned that, "it's better to remain silent & be thought a fool than to speak & remove any doubt." What was Ms. Kelly's excuse?

Confused in Germany said...

Josh's GED. I had to look it up, because the german schoolsystem is quite a bit different. But from what I could find out, he has a middle-school "diploma", with the right to go on to high school or in Germany: Gymnasium (nothing to do with sports), to get his Abitur or the equivalent of an SAT.

This is not as bad, as I thought it was. I thought he was even below that and that would only give him a chance to get a very low paying job. Like a cleaner or a worker on cars or such. Don't misunderstand me, those jobs are important, they are just not paid very well. With a bunch of children, he should get help from the state or get his clothes and stuff from family members. Not "buy" used, rather beg used, but save the difference it stays and I could imagine him to be one to get things for free, without doing much for it. Like his job with the FRC. Though, now that I think about it: somehow I think he was only used as show-horse and not given a really important jobs. Just as his Father, he will surely be able to "blow" job-descriptions up.

Helen Crump said...

Re: Josh and the paparazzi...I wonder if the press was running towards him, microphone in hand, to commend, and compliment him on how great he and his family were, would he say that he doesn't talk to paparazzi? I doubt it. He would have CERTAINLY complied. Once again, you can't have it both ways Duggars.

Virginia said...

Katie's Mom. I too feel like there was never any intention of adopting. They had just visited China and an orphanage there. She said those things because there is quite a movement in the Christian community to adopt internationally. I don't ever remember Jum Bob agreeing with her.

capslock said...

Breaking News 9:30 AM EST: TLC announces "A spin off is a possibility." I'm not surprised, but I'm NOT happy.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: TLC announcing a spin-off is a possibility. Apparently it was well worth it to both Jill & Jessa to give a TV interview about their molestation by their brother, if in fact the end result is a spin-off. . Guess Jim Bob & Michelle, as well has the girls had that information in their back pockets, & thus the interviews. Talk about the end justifies the means.

Carol said...

I'm sure they're doing research on how viable it would be, but I think America is done with them. It's one thing to hate watch their weirdness or even watch if u like them, but now that we know the reason behind all those bizarre rules of theirs, watching their lifestyle has no charm to it anymore.

capslock said...

Correction: HLN clarified that JILL says a spin off is a possibility. TLC has made no formal announcement.

hello said...

I would like to know why TLC thinks it would be a good idea to give the girls a spinoff show. What could they possible film that would be interesting? Would they film Jillymuffin driving Derickdillard to work, having lunch with him and picking him up from work? They could show Jessaseewald doing her hair and makeup in the morning and taking selfies all day while Benseewald works as Jimboob's gopher. They could fim Jillymuffin constantly having to touch Derickdillard to make sure he doesn't run away. They could talk about how birth control is evil and will take as many babies as God gives them. The list goes on and on. Jimboob could be their manager and tell them that managers get 90% of their salary and they wouldn't know any better. It would make a better show if they showed any of the kids breaking free from Jimboob's control and living their own lives. They could call it Breaking Duggar. Now I would watch that show.

FL Realist said...

I have to wonder, do the Duggar parents even realize the damage they have done to their children? Do they have the capacity to understand that by sheltering them and sequestering them from worldy evils that they literally bred than own evil in their home, which was supposed to be a haven? Given a little more freedom I have to wonder if a lot of their current issues could have been avoided, and without sending them straight to Hades as they think it would. Example: pubescent teens allowed to learn about the totally normal and in no way shameful or sinful biological changes happening to them. Really learn, as in quality education about the birds and the bees and what a human body is made for when it comes to that. Along those same lines, and apologies if this is too much, I have to wonder if the Duggar women are able to enjoy intimacy at all? Or are they programmed to only fulfil the husband's needs with no thought to their own. A good husband, a Godly man, a respectful man would be just as interested in making his wife feel fulfilled and satisfied as himself. I don't get that vibe from the Duggar men at all, especially Jim Bob and Josh. I can realistically see them being clueless as to how to treat a woman in that respect. They seem like they are stuck in the early teen boy phase of only wanting to satisfy themselves and not even caring if the wife is enjoying the process. And how sad that the women are taught to never question, to always be ready, to never gently guide their men as to how to make that time enjoyable for both. How awful to always have to fake it! And those men are cluless enough to not even realize that their wives are faking it lol.

Just a few thoughts that have been running thru my head recently. I also feel bad for Jana, but as brain washed as this family is, she may be happy as a lark and not know any different. Who knows. And to think I was impressed by their "wholesome" and down to earth values and moral compass when they first came on the scene. Oh how the times have changed!!

Alib said...

Followed this show for a while and this interview really sums it up

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/i_couldve_been_a_duggar_wife_i_grew_up_in_the_same_church_and_the_abuse_scandal_doesnt_shock_me/

Bobbi said...

If TLC chooses to return 19 Kids or initiate a spinoff, then the staff at TLC has zero credibility, integrity or honesty in programming. If TLC chooses this path, I will not only boycott TLC, I will delete the channel number that airs 19 Kids my TV is equipped to delete channels. I will write to TLC advising of this choice. I am only one in number but I want TLC to Read my opinion.

Bobbi said...

At this juncture, Jim Bob & Michelle are incapable of realizing the damage they've inflicted upon their Children. Because JB & M are so indoctrinated (Fooled) within the Gothard Cult. Unless someone with authority or an agencie that focuses on the Deptogramming of people formerly in a Cult I don't believe things will change in the Duggar home. My hope is that one day soon, one of the Duggar kids (perhaps one of the boys) will realize he's living in a cult & get out & perhaps this boy will help other siblings to get out. Most cults end disastrously. Jim Bob is the head of the Gothard branch cult within the Duggar compound. I believe Jim Bob could be a dangerous person, Michelle & some of the Duggar daughters once commented Jim Bob has to work on his temper. I believe Michelle & the daughters diligently work to appease Jim Bob in the form of always saying yesterday him, agreeing with him so that they won't anger him. Josh is a clone of Jim Bob. It's a fact that women who live in a cult environment cannot be repressed forever. No wiman with a functioning brain in today's society wants to behave as a doormat. I also believe that the only reason Jill & Jessa said they want as many kids as God allows was parroted from Michelle. If TLC pulls the plug (THEY NEED TOO) on the Duggars. The married kids will realize the opportunity to have as many kids as God allows is no longer feasible. Everyone of the Duggar kids have much potential & they could be so much more in life if their education had not stopped with a GED. Jim Bob & Michelle are so clueless about education, birth control, dating. The real world. When Jim Bob & Michelle chose to enter into the Gothard Cult they stopped thinking & allowed The rules of Gothard to rule their lives & the lives of their kids. It's just a travesty & so sad. Someone needs to intervene on behalf of the Duggar kids the married ones included.

Bobbi said...

From the way Jill behaved during the courtship & engagement with Derick it was obvious Jill was in love with the idea of being in love. During that time, Jill behaved as one who was in middle or high school. Not her fault. This behavior due to isolation of the opposite sex, never dating & marrying the first guy who came along. After marrying Derick, I don't think Jill expected to become pregnant so quickly. Jill had a very difficult labor & delivery of Israel wasn't what she had planned. I am convinced the reason Derick contacted Jim Bob & asked him to become a prayer partner was definitely to meet one of the Duggar girls because in an interview Derick said he knew of them. I believe I believe that after Josh married Anna, Jim Bob was desperate for a new story line & thus arranged the marriage of Derick & Jill. Ben & Jessa courted for I believe almost one year. I don't believe their marriage was arranged. Jessa always seemed one who spoke her mind & I thought perhaps once married to Ben she will delay pregnancy or use a method to prevent pregnancy. Was I fooled in that one. During the interview with Megyn Kelly, both Jill & Jessa proved they are as brainwashed as Jim Bob, Michelle & Gothard intended. I would love to see an MRI of the brains of the Duggar kids. This Gothard Cult needs to be investigated & needs to implode & finally end.

Living in Indy said...

A bit of humor... If especially Jill & Jessa were not in the Gothard cult & were brought up in a normal family, they could have been chosen to be on the Bachelor. The women chosen to be on the Bachelor Embrace & Over Use the word "LIKE" in almost every sentence so with that written, definitely Jill & then Jessa would fit right in. Earlier I was channel surfing & saw just a limited screen of the Bachelorette. Kaitllyn the bachelorette interjects the word "LIKE" too often & the I thought of Jill & quickly changed the channel. I just can't handle hearing "LIKE" in every means of communication or sentence anymore. It's as if these women never elected to take a class in English or Speech. Jill Dillard is the 2015 Queen of "LIKE".

Chloe said...

Just saw a photo of Israel Dillard on Jill's instagram a cute baby wearing a Pistol Pete infant clothing. It's too bad that Israel will never be allowed to atten OK State or any other college because Saint no it all Jim Bob will never permit it. It's too bad that Jim Bob controls the marriages of his two daughters. Jim Bob is a full blown narcissist, needy, insecure & immature. Please Jim Bob grow up, remove your family & you from TV & leave your daughters & their husbands marriages alone. They don't need Michelle's & your insane & inaccurate advice.

Lemon Drop said...

Imploding on a false alter of pride and hubris.

Darla Loftus said...

That episode made me want to puke as much as did the "Jim Bob between Derrick and Jill" episode, in Nepal! Josh should've handed back the books, and said, "No thanks, Dad...my sisters taught me, when I was 14!" EWWW!

Darla Loftus said...

I have a friend, whom I have known for many years, who is paying the price for narcissistic behavior, as head of his family. He ruled his children with an iron fist, while they were still at home. As adults, they have nothing to do with their father. So sad! As a life-long narcissist, he still does not realize that he drove his children away from him, with his behavior.

Bobbi said...

Jim Bob & Michelle never own or voice the fact that they are followers of the Gothard Cult. The reason they will never acknowledge is because they may be ashamed or realize its wrong or just can't face the music which is the truth. I think if I ever heard Jim Bob or Michelle speak honestly about their faith & other issues as to why they've instilled idiotic rules for their kids I would fall from my sofa.

Katie's Mom said...

RE:Dara Loftus comments about the episode where Jim Bob was handing Josh the reading material just moments before his wedding. Of course, you're absolutely correct, Josh had no need for the information his dad was supposedly passing on to him, but it's a moot point as it was all just more acting for the cameras. As if in this day & age, any responsible parent would do anything as foolish as handing his son a book about the, "wedding night," & even worse in front of cameras & crew These are the ridiculous things that hard hitting journalist Megyn Kelly should have reviewed for herself before her stupid interviews with the Duggars. I really thought she looked just as foolish & stupid as the Duggars. No way did she make any effort to try & know anything in depth about the family:The courting rules, as well as the modesty rules, including those stupid wholesome swimwear outfits that both the boys & girls have to wear. She also should have taken a look at the episode where Jim Bob dragged the girls to give blood against their will. That always infuriated me, as the boys never did have to give blood. We definitely would have seen that, as Jim Bob would have been so pleased with his sons helping Josie out with a blood donation. There again it was Jim Bob announcing to the girls that he had something really special for them to do that day. The same way he has all the, "funnest days of their lives," for the kids, when he needs help cleaning up his rental property. Megyn Kelly really dropped the ball on that interview, as far as presenting a true picture of life in that family. I know she's probably delighted with her ratings, but I think she's a disgrace. She had a chance to shine a ray of light on the cult they live in & she looked the other way.

Mindi said...

RE; Bobbi's comments about "arranged or not arranged marriages," with Jill & Jessa. I think it was after a couple of Josh & Anna's pregnancies & the birth specials that Jim Bob decided they now needed a new story line. Once it was the 2nd grandchild it was getting old news. So it was time to marry off a couple of the girls. I agree the Derick wanted to be a prayer partner with Jim Bob in order to meet one of the girls & I don't think it was necessarily Jill, but that's who Jim Bob wanted for him. Jill was in love with love & the thought of the wedding,i.e. formal dress for the first time, photos, lot of attention. Jessa just wanted out of that house. She didn't want to continue raising her mom's kids, schooling them etc. I think Ben also had his eye on the Duggars as future family. His family knew of them even if they didn't know them personally. When you see just how thrilled Ben's dad is to have his teen son married to a Duggar, you have to wonder if they would have been all that happy if it wasn't a Duggar he was marrying when he was a teen? Apparently Ben just started to show up at the Duggar's home church. His dad probably drove him there himself to make sure he didn't miss out on a chance to meet one of the available Duggar girls. After all Jim Bob actually announced on TV, that it was "open season," referring to his daughters. He's made a lot of disgusting statements but to say it was, "open season." If ever there was a statement to really disgust you. But of course we know Jim Bob has no class. Let's not forget about the Keller's or at least Anna's dad (you really can't tell with her mom.) He was just in awe of the Duggar family & appeared to really worship Jim Bob & Josh as well, that's why I don't think they had a clue about Josh's behavior. How in he world can these people throw their beloved son or daughter into one of these marriages? Wonder how Anna's family feels now? Are they now thinking:"Be careful what you wish for."

zebracrossing said...

Statement from Mayor of Springdale about Police Chief O'Kelley

http://www.springdalear.gov/news_detail_T2_R287.php

pretty red rose. said...

A feel is not sex. How did his sisters teach him at 14???? That is pretty twisted. They had no idea what was going on. I like the girls. Please don't include them as if they consented to Josh's once sick agenda.

HardyHar said...

Oh, my. I just thought about that big auditorium filled with families at the "home school" conference (indoctrination camp). The Duggars and the Bates are the most famous of these families, and we know all about their lives. But, what about the thousands of other families in the Gothard Cult? How many have gone through this same sexual molestation mess? How many are going through it now? How many will go through this? And, nothing will be said or done to the molesters; as long as they ask for forgiveness, they will be forgiven and the molestation of little children will continue. Didn't they learn anything from the Catholic Church hiding the child molesting priests? What is more important than the safety of little children? I mean, not just boys but girls, too?

Ryan's Mom said...

My very first post to this blog, many years ago, expressed my opinion that this family was obsessed with sex. At the time, not too many shared my opinion. But there was something "off" about Jim Bob that stuck with me. Thankfully, I have no experience with child molestation or sexual abuse. However, it seems to me that abusers are often the most vocal critics of those with different lifestyles--as though they are deflecting attention from their own perversion. It troubles me deeply that if Jim Bob ruled the world, my son who is gay would possibly be jailed or worse. How dare he blanketly condemn my son and those like him? How dare he say that incest should be punishable by death and then make excuses for his own son's crime? The hypocrisy and the outright lying of this idiot are breathtaking. And yes, I will say that I think this man has a background of perversion himself. Observe that Michelle seems like she is in some kind of daze all the time, as though she has trained herself not to see what is going on under her own roof. My mother in law was a battered woman and 6 of her 8 children were abused. She displayed the same kind of detachment as Michelle. Something smells here. But unless one of the Duggar kids breaks free and grows a pair, the truth will never come out.

coleen said...

Interview with Homeschoolers Anon. founder.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/a_former_homeschooler_on_the_duggar_familys_horrifying_fundamentalist_education_it%E2%80%99s_literal_rape_culture/

Dee said...

Bobbi - re: boycotting TLC and blocking Discovery channels from your television.
I have been writing TLC/Discovery every day since this story broke. During the second week when no announcement of a permanent cancellation had come to light I did block all the Discovery channels from my cable line up.
I let TLC know when I did this and also that it would remain that way until they did the right thing and cancelled the show. Since they're still dragging their feet and I find I don't miss these channels at all, they may never be unblocked,
Anyway, I wanted to let you know that you're not the only one. Hopefully others are doing the same thing and putting TLC on blast for not having cancelled the show already.

Judy said...

I feel really sorry for Anna. She's just weeks away from giving birth to her fourth child in all of this mess. I'm going to guess they will film it anyway, hoping to use it after all of this stuff dies down.

Monica said...

I don't think it is about Growing A Pair!!
I think kids are brained wash and the kids could be afraid.
If what you have been taught is all you know; It is a hard finding your center of right and wrong.
What is right for you?
How to live in another way?
I believe someone will speak out.
It is just going to take more time.
We just want it to happen quickly.

Bobbi said...

Dee, thanks. Good to know you too have joined the group to block the TLC channel. I wonder if TLC reads our comments? If they do not, then why crest a section entitled comments?

Bobbi said...

Ryan's Mom, Excellent post. No one should judge any person for who they are. I have many gay friends that are wonderful people. They are who God intended them to be. Jim Bob with his limited brain capacity & stupid Gothard rules will never get it. This is why TLC needs to STOP promoting the Gothard CULT lifestyle on TV. So many people are easily lead astray & this Gothard Cult is dangerous. After thoroughly researching the Gothard Cult the focus is in Sex, minimizing, exploiting & objectifying women. I still am clueless as to how any woman with a functions frontal lobe would be taken in by such tripe unless if course they were brainwashed from birth which is unfortunately the Duggar, Keller & Bates daughters. Surely there is an agency out there who has read this blog or someone in the position of law or authority that would intervene on behalf of the Duggar kids & remove them from the Duggar prison? The Duggar kids are in a prison. They have zero right & zero freedom to go & do as they please. It is an unhealthy world. They must always ask permission regarding any activity in their lives. I don't see how particularly the boys with limited education & no viable skills will make it in the world unless its a minimum wage job. I believe one if the reasons Jim Bob & Michelle chose to undereducate their kids was so that their kids will be 100% relying on them for life. Parents don't live forever none of us do. The fact that Jim Bob is obsessed with control in every aspect of his kids lives is disturbing & he needs professional psychiatric help. I've said before that Jim Bob is a volatile person & that is scary.

BasYisrael79 said...

According to ET, Josh and Anna are moving back to Arkansas and have hired Steve Neild (Kate Gosselins former body guard). I wonder if TLC has anything to do with the choice of body guard.

Bobbi said...

I remember when Derick return home from Nepal. Jill & the entire Duggar family were there to greet Derick & his Mom. Jill standing there wearing that dumb flower in her hair with some lame sign. It's too bad Jills reunion with Derick wasn't private. If Derick had been dating a college girl at that time, the reunion would have been private & less immature & less over the top. At that moment, Derick should have realized the mess he would soon get into.

KatieP said...

Watching an intervention program about a young woman With five siblings of the Mormon faith who was am alcoholic. Her Mom was always distant & never told her kids she loved them. The Mom was interviewed & said that in the church she always felt as a Stepford wife. After 25 years something snapped & she divorced her husband. I thought of Michelle Duggar & to me she's an example of a Stepford wife to Jim Bob. I hope one day Michelle will snap & realize she's been fooled by Jim Bob for so many years., wake up, remove the younger kids & get the heck out of that house. One can hope.

Bobbi said...

Judy, Just as Michelle, Anna behaves as a Stepford wife to Josh. Clearly Jim Bob & Josh married non passive aggressive women who are always obedient without question. Jim Bob & Josh have this need to dominate the women in their lives. This need makes them believe they are important & without accountability to anyone. They believe they are the Kings of their castle & let the whole world know it. Both have a very high opinion of themselves & during the 19 Kids program each week made sure the viewers knew this about these two self absorbed jerks. Sadly Michelle & Anna are stuck in these sick marriages with task masters as their husbands. Basically, Michelle & Anna are wives similar to the wives living in the 19th century. These women need to wake up & Bolt. Will it happen? I don't know if Michelle & Anna will ever arrive this place in their lives I pray they will.

coleen said...

Per "Judy said...
I feel really sorry for Anna. She's just weeks away from giving birth to her fourth child in all of this mess. I'm going to guess they will film it anyway, hoping to use it after all of this stuff dies down.

6/09/2015 12:02 PM"

Judy, I feel sorry for Anna too. In their culture, Josh's job was the top of the mountain, and now she has to return to Ark disgraced. She's probably torn to pieces on the inside but her cult beliefs won't allow her to show it on the outside.

coleen said...

Derick D has resigned from Walmart.

Pam said...

I just saw Derrick resigned from Wal Mart.

Carol said...

Re Derek - Talk about bad timing. I guarantee you they were counting on selling the rights to the story for their missionary work to support themselves. That said, lots of people survive as missionaries without the kind of nest egg they have. They will be fine.

Katie's Mom said...

I am wondering if Derick & Jill actually were going to do missionary work in Nepal, or some other country, with TLC planning on following them & filming. Or did Derick just resign his job, so as to not have to face coworkers etc. I highly doubt that, as unless Jill is acting the victim with Derick at home, I honestly don't think any co workers would be that narrow minded, as to hold something like Josh's action against him. In the last episode, when they showed coming attractions, Derick & Jill were making some type of very big announcement,(not a pregnancy) that had Jim Bob reacting, just as he did when Josh & Anna announced that they were giving up the car lot taking a new job in DC. Jim Bob even used the same words, "oh really that's definite, that's a really big step." I remember thinking then that I hoped they weren't going to take that baby to some country like Nepal. Of course, Derick could be joining Jim Bob's army of workers, but they are more "blue collar or manual work types" compared to Derick's, "white collar job," in an office. Either way, he would be giving up good benefits i.e. medical plan etc. If Jill gets pregnant soon again & Derick is working for Jim Bob, I wonder if Jim Bob would pay the hospital bills if she needed another C-section? I think they are probably going to do missionary work, but Jim Bob as Derick's boss is still an outside possibility. What about TLC following the missionary couple? Who knows with these people.

Bobbi said...

How does saint Jim Bob deal with the fact that while in college at Ok State Univ Derick Dillard was a member of Beta Alpha Psi Fraternity? Doesn't joining a fraternity or sorority go against the Gothard Cult? How does Jim Bob Duggar reconcile this fact? Obviously when Derick was in college he embraced the entire experience as the Pistol Pete mascot, joining a fraternity, probably Dating Not Courting (Jim Bob). So with all of the "worldly" experience, did Derick suddenly have a "religious" awakening? It's difficult to understand how a guy who's educated 3.5 GPA want to dumb down & marry someone as Jill? I just don't get it. Unless his true objective of contacting Jim Bob was really to marry a Duggar & gain some sort of "reality" recognition or celebrity or both? Derick has never seemed one who is overly religious or "cult" minded. I just don't understand why Derick would want to connect himself with this dishonest family & to have Jim Bob as a Father In Law? Just seems wacked out. Oh well.

KimmieH said...

Just read this news on line.. Josh Duggar has hired the former bodyguard Steve Neild to Kate Gosselin to keep paparazzi at bay as Anna & their three kids pack up & move from Maryland back to Arkansas.

sandi said...

Re: I hope one day Michelle will snap & realize she's been fooled by Jim Bob for so many years., wake up, remove the younger kids & get the heck out of that house. One can hope.

Katie,I hope she kicks JB out of the house! That would be funny.He can go and live in the shed where he had Ben. LOL

Sunny said...

I would be concerned about Jill & Derick taking baby Israel to any place where they might do missionary work, as I don't think the Duggars are into immunizations for the babies. Michelle seemed to think it was a really big deal that Josie had to be immunized due to being a preemie. We know the other kids never received any shots for the chicken pox, as at least 8 or 9 had them at one time. That's a readily available immunization, but I guess not for the Duggars. Some of those kids had severe cases of chicken pox right in their eyes. Of course Michelle didn't need to deal with them, as she was in Little Rock with Josie when the kids were sick. We never did see Jordyn, Jenny or Hannie going for any type of checkups & immunizations, but maybe they had too much else to film & just didn't show it.
I do know people that have gone to other countries for missionary work, & they were immunized, but I don't known if that was their own choice, or if it's necessary in order to get whatever papers or passport you need to travel in these countries. I also thought that was exactly what the "big announcement," was that Jill & Derick had for the for the Duggars. Guess somehow someway we'll hear about it.

Sunny said...

I read the Steve Neild is a friend of Josh's. I wonder why? Guess it must be the TLC connection

Aways said...

Carol, I agree that some missionaries do survive without a "nest egg." First we don't know exactly what kind of nest egg Jill & Derick might have as a newlywed couple. I don't think we can take it for granted that they have a great deal from TLC, as many feel the lion's share, if not all of the $$$$'s go to Jim Bob. Up till now he's still been complaining about the cost of the girl's weddings. I know it ridiculous, invite over a thousand guest, give them punch & cookies & complain about the cost. It's also possible that Derick has student loans,(horrors,Jim Bob that's debt)we don't know. Also many couples that do missionary work have at lest some financial support from their church. I don't think Jill & Derick have that, at least not from Jim Bob's home church. Perhaps from the Cross Baptist Church. It's been said that Jill & Derick attend that church. So they are barely married a yr., renting from Jim Bob, (he wants them to realize what it's like to pay rent)they have a new baby,probably some hospital bills from Israel's delivery as Jill was hospitalized for quite a few days. They may not have a tidy little nest egg. I just hope they're not going off like Anna's sister & her husband. They are missionaries, 9 kids, living in a tent, begging for food etc.

Esther said...

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar will be just fine without a show. They charge absurd fees for their speaking engagements.

Looking at just the properties listed in Jim Bob's and Michelle's Trust or Duggar Properties on the assessors site
22 properties in Washington County https://www.actdatascout.com/State/AR/Washington?isPP=False

16 properties in Benton County: http://www.arcountydata.com/search.asp

GRAND TOTAL of 38 properties for Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.
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Grandma Duggar has 6 properties in Washington County. (She has daughter Deanna's name on one.)
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John-David Duggar 1 in Benton County
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Josh and Anna Duggar 1 in Benton County
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P.S. Notice how little Jim Bob has some of the properties appraised for. Is it because constable John-David told him about the foreclosures and he has been buying them up dirt cheap?

29.420 acres assessed value $850
4.480 acres assessed value $150
10.860 acres assessed value $200
9.670 acres assessed Value $220
5 acres assessed Value $130
17.810 acres assessed value $440
40.000 acres assessed value $880

John David is a constable in Washington County, according to the Duggar Family Blog "Just after midnight on January 1st, John-David Duggar was sworn in as an Arkansas Constable. As a constable, John will help keep the peace in Washington County."





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Andrea said...

And so it continues:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/new-investigation-launched-against-duggar-family-911-called-60330

Apparently late last month, DHS turned up at the Duggar home to see a minor they were concerned about and the Duggar's would not provide the minor to the DHS social worker. My god, this is really scary. What the hell is happening over there that they won't allow DHS into the home?

Melissa said...

I remember when John David became a constable many posters speculated that as a constable, it would be his job to serve foreclosure notices & Jim Bob would be right there to buy up property. John David did get his property as the result of work he did for the bank & they let him have a property. Guess the rest worked out well for Jim Bob.

Frankie said...

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/more_duggar_bombshells_are_coming_we_have_some_significant_things_coming_out_says_intouch_editor/

The editor at InTouch says that more bombshells are coming. Yikes.

HardyHar said...

Aren't there any restrictions on constables using their duties to provide monetary gain for their friends and relatives? Sounds like a conflict of interest to me.

Beth Anne said...

Regarding the DHS worker not being allowed to speak with the minor in the home...

Not surprising at all. To be honest, I think any parent would have misgivings, but you know JimBob and Michelle will play up the "we're being persecuted" story for all its worth and make it sound like it's a witch hunt against them. Not sure what the call was about or why, and, not to sound like I'm defending the Duggars, but I can see some unfounded calls being made, now that the floodgates have opened, so to speak.

But maybe it has to do with Josie's seizures? And maybe someone called concerned about her not getting the medical attention she needs? Who knows?

Esther said...

One tabloid regarding Josh's move back home calls it "returning to the scene of the crime".

Why does he need a bodyguard? Who would he think is going to hurt him? He is not the one who needs his body guarded!


Esther said...


FOX HAS THIS ABOUT DHS AND THE DUGGARS

Washington County DHS directed FOX411 to the Arkansas DHS, who told us, “In Arkansas all child maltreatment investigations are confidential by law.” The department could neither confirm nor deny if the Duggars were being investigated or had been investigated recently.

It wouldn’t be the first time the DHS looked into the Duggar family. Back in 2006, the Duggars were questioned by police and later investigated by the DHS when someone called a hotline to report the rumored abuse the family has since admitted occurred.


A rep for the Duggar family did not return FOX411’s request for comment.

Esther said...

Jill Dillard praised how her parents Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar handled the situation when they were first investigated. She claimed the DHS was impressed with her parents as well.

“…Even when we went through the DHS investigation, they complimented my parents on what an amazing job they did through that process… As a mom, I hope that I can set the same safeguards in my family that they did…”


1.) They hear a word and abuse it. I betcha the PR team they met with used the word Safeguard and that is why Michelle kept saying it, Jill said it and Jessa called it safetyguards. Close Jessa, but you need to pay closer attention to the PR people if you want your own show.

2.) DHS is not able to rebutt Jill Dillard's story about them complimenting the Duggars but it is doubtful that DHS EVER mentioned the word AMAZING in regards to the Duggars. (UNBELIEVEABLE maybe but AMAZING just doesn't have the same meaning. (And if they had said that why would Jim Bob and Michelle have ever told the kids that?)


OK, one more thing.....why would Jill think she needed to put safeguards in her home....does she assume Izzy will be like Uncle Josh and skulk around in darkness to "cop a feel" from any sisters Mama Jill and Pistol Pete give him? EWWWWWW!

Esther said...

I think we now understand why Pistol Pete Dillard's step-dad (Ronnie Byrum)didn't seem to want anything to do with the Duggars from the beginning.

Bobbi said...

Ron Byrum is obviously a smart man who sees through the facade that is the Duggars & self imposed conceited Jim Bob. I wonder what Kathy Byrum thinks about all of this mess & now her son Derick is married to intellectually challenged Jill. Jim Bob is such an idiot he probably believes he controls Derick's Mom & Step Dad.

Elspeth said...

I'd have to say Jill is more educationally challenged than intellectually challenged.

Chloe said...

Jill doesn't think before putting her mouth in motion "LIKE" every other word. Jill has NO Filter. Both Jill & Jessa are extremely undereducated & each time they speak they confirm this fact. Not their fault from birth they've been brainwashed into the Gothard Cult. With the rules of insanity & abuse from Jim Bob & Michelle, these kids should have been removed from that home long ago. The four little girls especially JoHanna, Jennifer & Jordyn appear to be repressed. I see sadness in their eyes. These girls are minus joy, no happiness, & just seem to be defunct of all that childhood should be. That's abuse by JB & M & no authority or agencies in Arkansas are doing anything. It's as if these kids are in a deep pool of water struggling to stay afloat & no one will help or rescue them. It's extremely frustrating. I live in a mid west state far from Arkansas. If I were closer, I would contact the appropriate authorities & devise a plan to remove the younger Duggar kids from that Toxic & heinous environment.

Nancy said...

For DHS to remove children, legal instances of abuse or neglect have to be documented. Are the children suffering from malnutrition? It doesn't seem so. Is the house in shambles? No. Is there food in the house? Yes. Do they have beds and clothes? Yes. Is there education in place? That's a weak one for them, but they are legally allowed to home school. Are they beaten until they bruised? Not likely.

So what is DHS to use to remove the children?

Bobbi said...

Elspeth, thanks for the correction. I agree in that Jill is definitely educationally challenged. Her frontal lobe is still in the 6th grade. I hope Derick enjoys being married to a child.

Bobbi said...

During the interview with Megyn Kelly, I was surprised that Know it all boo hoo Jill did not interject her brand new word "surreal" into the conversation. Perhaps she forgot & decided to revert to her comfort zone word "LIKE"? Both Jill & Jessa are not authentic or forthcoming people & they are not impressive.

Cedric said...

Esther, I am not surprised that Josh has engaged the service of a body guard this decision makes Josh feel SOOO important & entitled. Again, Josh has Fooled himself into believing he is a huge celebrity & that everybody is in his side. Again, traits of Narcissustic behavior. Someone needs to counsel Josh & return him to reality. Josh is just one sick guy. Poor Anna stuck living with a person who's physical appearance resembles that of the Pillsbury Dough Boy or Michelin Man. He's absolutely NOT a hot guy however he believes that he is. It's amazing the manner in which Josh & Jim Bob have the audacity & capacity to FOOL themselves.

Bobbi said...

Frankie, ONG good for In Touch Mag. I say bring on the Bombshells & let them Explode!!!

Dee said...

Bobbi -
Re: writing to TLC and if they read them. I wonder that every time I send a message. I hope so. I guess we'll see.

Living in Indy said...

Jim Bob & Josh Duggar have fooled themselves into beliving they are now legends who are revered in their own pathetic minds. BOth are reprehensible & misinformed as well as misguided.

Chloe said...

I know Derick must be so proud, happy & thrilled that he has to explain the most common sense things to Jill. How quickly will Derick tire of that situation?

sandi said...

The standards for keeping your children are not very high in many states,and the allegations need to be recent and from a reliable source.
Look at octomom.Ca. can't afford to take them away from her,so they look the other way.
That said,I don't see why the Duggars didn't comply when asked to produce the child in question last month.You would think it would be to their advanatge to cooperatae right now,esp. since it seems the child was fine.

Esther said...

Derick Dillard is still showing Walmart as his employer on Linkedin:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/derick-dillard/31/470/4b3

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Derick/Dillard

Bobbi said...

What can we do to thwart the shameless greed & begging to remain on TV by Jim Bob Duggar? If TLC returns the Duggars to TV in the form of a spinoff, collectively all we can do is Boycot TLC & eliminate watching the Duggars or finaly just delete the channel that airs TLC prigramming. The absence of viewer numbers will become the demise of the Duggars. Then we may sit back & watch Jim Bob begging to return to TV, spewing his lies, refusing to be accountable for his loyalty to the Gothard Cult & basically watch immature Jim Bob throw a tantrum.

Bobbi said...

Oh the absurd rules of courting that Jim Bob & Michelle NEVER engaged in. Can you imagine kissing a spouse for the first time on day of the wedding followed later by intimacy for the first time in wedding night. That has to have played a bit of havoc to say nothing of fear with the bride. I am so thankful when I dated I kissed many frogs before kissing & marrying my husband. Jim Bob & Michelle are such hypocrites. These two ROBBED their kids of normalcy specific to education outside of the home & all the activities that entail when one attends public or a private school. If the Duggar kids had attended regular school, they would be better informed about the world around them, they would have learned about furthering their education via college, they may have become interested in pursuing a career that wasn't related to midwifery. Jana is so talented I could have seen her going on to a school such as Juliard. But NO, Jim Bob & Michelle brainwashed as they are & now their kids, have chosen the depraved & decayed Gothard Cult to rule the lives if their family. Often, the Duggars traveled outside of the USA. One would think as a result of this opportunity some of the Duggar kids would wake up & realize there's more to life beyond the Duggar compound & Gothard Cult? I pray some of these Duggar kids grunt out of this junk Cult. I don't 't see Jana leaving as she may be too invested or brainwashed & I believe Jsna has the best interest or rather concern for her younger siblings. I also hope & believe that Jana is the most intelligent of the Duggar daughters. Jana is quiet, sits back & observes the idiocy of her parents. Jana is one who will not rock the boat. I believe she sees her parents as people who are Not bright, a Mom who is lazy, could care less about the children after weening them. So Jana just picks up the pieces & becomes the surrogate Mother. I believe Jana has been provided many opportunities to court but has declined because of her younger siblings who need a Mother. I don't believe Jana has much respect for JB & M. I've seen Jana's facial expressions when especially Jim Bob makes stupid remarks (often) & she looks as though she's perplexed or embarrassed. I don't see much interaction between Michelke & Jana. Perhaps Michelle is aware that Jana has determined she (Michelle) is not the Mother Michelle attempts to project (& poorly) to viewers on TV? I also believe that Jana may be one who is a slow (temper) burner. If Jana should become righteously angry I would not want to be the one who was the recepient or cause of her anger. If all the Duggar girls, it is Jana for whom I most respect. I hope she will realize that she finds a person or persons who will intervene on her part & then begin the process of Deprogramming. Then she will be set free & will finally pursue a life of sanity & normalcy.

Chloe said...

Watching the Bates. I am more than aware of their involvement with the Gothard Cult but they don't seem as RIGID or so concerned OR WOUND so TIGHT as the sanctimonious Duggars. The courting couple frontal hugs & for quite awhile. They just seem just slightly a tad bit more normal & don't take themselves so seriously. Also it appears that Gil Batest related to his wife Kelly with respect. I've never heard Gil make inappropriate sexual innuendos. At least he has some Filter & decorum. In comparison, the Duggars are elitist & somewhat snobbish vs what appears to be the down to earth Bates family. From what I've learned if one if the abates kids wants to go to college they will go. Granted its a Christian college but at least the Bates kids have that choice & or liberty. The Bates kids appear to be pretty well grounded or at least as much as they can be within the Gothard Cult.

Living in Indy said...

Unlike Michelle Duggar, Kelly Bates hair does not resemble that of a rats nest she obviously trims her hair. Kelly dresses fairly nice & does not have the appearance of an unmade bed as does Michelle. Kelly doesn't speak in a Minnie Mouse voice. Kelly appears to interact with all if her children. If the Bates have a buddy system I haven t seen it. Kelly Bates seems to be a person who is genuine & just likeable for as much as one can be within the Gothard Cult. Gil is obviously smarter than ole JB. Because Gil & Kelly went to college they seem to be far more mature & logical vs dimwits JB & M. After watching the Bates I don't feel depressed as I once did when I watched the staunch all about absurd rules the Duggars.

Chloe said...

It's astounding how Gil & Kelly Bates logic TRUMPS the stupidity of Jim Bob & Michelle. G & K talked about the importance of meeting the parents of the Bates kid that is courting & that when one marrys they marry the other family as well. Unlike JB & M who blatantly & often ignore the parents of the spouse their child married. Good ole elitist we are so much better than the entire world JB & M Duggar. I really hope Jim Bob & Michelle remain OFF TV!!!!!

Living in Indy said...

Even though they are in the Gothard Cult, the difference between Gil & Kelly Bates vs Jim Bob & Michelle Dugar is a college education, logic, common sense, a Filter & intelligence.

KimmieH said...

Basically Jim Bob. & Michelle have chosen to use God or Gothard as the Third Parent in the equasion of their family. Psych 101 the third parenting concept is an excuse Not to parent (or buddy system) third parenting does not work it's an absolute failure.

Captain Crunch said...

I do believe that Jana is sticking around to protect the other kids. She has a quiet strength and dignity to her. What is that expression? 'Still waters run deep'...

kimster said...

A few thoughts:
When religion becomes more about the rules than the worship, the true focus has been lost.
When your mother and father constantly refer to you as "the concert pianist" or "the midwife", the message you receive is that what you are is not good enough.
If I did my job the way Megyn Kelly did her job on that interview (lack of prep, etc) I'd be fired.
The Learning Channel (TLC) must be in cahoots with Ripey's Believe it or Not because for the most part I am "learning" about nothing but mixed up folks (Bill & Jen being the exception).
Finally I will state again ... those older kids almost always have a cell phone In their hand and if their parents think for a second that they aren't seeing things that they would consider unpure ... they're dellusional. My own boys would cackle as we would run errands in town (Las Vegas) and see taxi cabs with ads that had scantily clad women. I seem to remember the Duggars visiting LV on one episode ... no way could they have missed the taxis, billboards, etc.

sandi said...

The Bates do use a system,it's just called the partner system instead of buddy.Idk if they do as much for them as the Duggar kids do,but I know on one show they were making sure their partner did basic hygiene,like brushing teeth,combing hair, etc.

roddma said...

You may think the Bateses are nicer, but lip stick on a pig is still a pig. For the Bateses,being involved with ATI and Quiverfull just negates anything positive. How do we really know what happens at the Bates home? sorry to sound so harsh an I don't hate them, but neither get a pass from me. Until a kid from either family starts using birth control, goes to a secular college, watches mainstream tv, listens to mainstream music,or gets a job outside the Fundamentalist circuit, I refuse to be fooled by either. Sane logical people do not quit a steady job at a plant and have 19 kids.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Bobbi's post 6/10 @5:51 PM
Bobbi, Jim Bob is way ahead of you re;the possible cancelation of the, "ministry."I think we are already seeing, Jim Bob, Michelle, Jill & Jessa begging for a return to their "ministry" at TLC, spewing lies, refusing to be accountable for their loyalty to the Gothard Cult. Jim Bob got the PR firm in, ASAP & nobody that has nothing to hide does that. He already has his ducks in a row. He, after all, is Jim Bob. We are just the viewers & who do you think ole Jim Bob thinks is more important? Sorry to say that so far TLC has proven him right by not cancelling all the Duggars,Dillards,& Seewalds.I'm with you in regard to your sentiments but if TLC didn't take firm & final action immediately,I fear they are just waiting it out. It wouldn't be the first time.

Katie's Mom said...

Bobbi, Just wanted to say that your assessment of Jana is absolutely spot on. Exactly the way I see her too.

Wondering said...

RE: Nancy's comment about issues there must be in the home for CPS's to investigate. I agree with most of what she has written. However all anyone needs to do is to review some of the older episodes, before Jill & Jessa left the Duggar home & you will notice that not each of the little girls had their own bed. I can't even count how many comments were made about the little ones, either sleeping in a play & pack, when they were way past even a toddler stage, or the little ones sleeping in beds with the older girls. All the kids did not have their own beds. Kids were also shown sleeping on the floor, or even the stairs. Just a blanket down on the floor & off to sleep. Maybe that's not any type of abuse in AR, but it's unheard of where I live, but again not abuse. You bathe your children, put them in pajamas, something else the Duggars don't do, read them a story (optional) put them into a bed that has sheets & blanket, another thing lacking from the Duggar household. I agree, none of these things are probably an issue with CPS. When it comes to education, I know some of the kids have GED's, but do they ever take any type of achievement test at say, 6th grade or 9th grade? You would think someone would be watching out for these homeschooled kids. Nothing against homeschooling, just the Duggars brand of homeschooling. It seems to me, that they attend many of these homeschool conferences, yearly I think. So why aren't the kids doing better with their education? What is the purpose of the Duggars always attending these homeschool conferences? Or are they there to be paid guest speakers? Just wondering?

Pretty Red Rose said...

You know if they do these two shows I will watch: Jinger Free or FarAway Jana Ran
Those two shows would be worth watching!!

Always said...

I was reading on line things that had been filmed for the next season of the Duggars, that now "might not" be shown. Apparently they taped a birthday party for Ben as well as his graduation from; "college." It stated that he has a degree in,"Political Science." I knew he was going for an associates & heard a number of different majors, but not political science. It also said that Jim Bob went "sheet white," when Jill & Derick announced they were going to do missionary work in Nepal. It was stated that Jim Bob's reaction was not for any " big effect," for the cameras. I'm sure Jim Bob & Michelle always know what's happening before the big reveals on their show. I hope they don't start throwing around that line that Jill will be continuing her work as a "midwife" in Nepal. It said they were going to Nepal in order to help after the earthquake & it wasn't going to belong term. I hope TLC doesn't decide that this is a great story line. The sister that suffered sexual abuse pulls herself together to help others. Don't think I don't feel for the girls & the abuse they suffered, but I can just see that as a storyline.
They had also filmed Josiah courting.

Willow said...

WHY do non-cult Christians take up for the Duggars? All the "fans" who are standing by the Duggars can't possibly be cult members or sympathizers. I would think the more mainstream Christians would be a little more vocal about the hazards of a cult lifestyle. Surely they know better! I could be wrong but it just seems like there are too many "fans" that are just blindly defending the Duggars. I don't think I'm saying this very well, but I think you all know what I'm trying to say. I wonder if non-cult Christians (for lack of a better word) are hesitant to speak out against the Duggars, even if they really think they are wrong.

Francis said...

Willow, regarding the "non-cult" Christians, I understand what you are saying. I think there are many main stream evangelical and baptist churches out there that preach a soft message of forgiveness and God's unconditional love in spite of ourselves. The reason they do this is because the churches are filled with people who have indulged in impurity themselves and don't want to hear messages about sin and disobedience. Pastors preach this soft message of forgiveness because it draws a bigger crowd on Sunday. So there are a lot of church going, conservative people out there who don't belong to a cult but they don't want to hear about sin. So in this case, they side with the Duggars. That's how I see it.

Always said...

Sharla, Sorry I misread the article Re: Jill & Derick telling Michelle & Jim Bob about going to Nepal. It actually did say that Jim Bob's response was for "dramatic effect." That makes more sense to me.

Mandy said...

I was amazed to see the results of a poll on the internet asking if TLC should cancel the Duggar 19 Kids & Counting. The results were: No to cancelling 53.30%
compared to: Absolutely cancel 46.50%. These figures are frightening.

nancy2001 said...

Mandy, I'm not surprised to hear 53% of people polled want 19 Kids to continue. Many people who disagree with the Gothard lifestyle still find the show entertaining and are eager to watch it. The Duggars will remain on TLC as long as people want to watch them.

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