Tues, December 8, Duggar and Bates Reunion

The Duggars are in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee to help ring in the Christmas season for the city. While they're in town, they can't pass up an opportunity to reunite with the Bates family, who just welcomed baby number 17!

30 minutes

87 comments:

Beedageeda said...

*Keeping fingers crossed for some sort of special announcement!* My (get this) two year old son LOVES the Duggars. He asks for them almost as much as he asks for Mickey Mouse. He and I have been "counting down" for this episode because I'm so excited about the remote possibility of some sort of love connection between either John and one of the older Bates girls or Jana and Zach! Think of the gorgeous children for either pair! Oh, dear, this really shouldn't excite me so much...

Anonymous said...

The Duggars won't allow their girls to marry until the boy has a good job, a home and can support her and a soon to be born child. Good luck with that.

Keri said...

Why does ANYone even want them to get married this young. They should be enjoying life, not getting tied down and producing the next line of Duggars.

luvmybabies said...

"Why does ANYone even want them to get married this young. They should be enjoying life, not getting tied down and producing the next line of Duggars."

Pretty depressing to imply that getting married and having a family is the end of enjoying one's life. I know for myself, I have never enjoyed life more than after getting married and having children.

12/06/2009 5:27 PM

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess when your life is full of cooking for and cleaning up after your parents' children, it's probably pretty exciting to get married and be with someone your own age who is not also your sibling.

Anonymous said...

"The Duggars won't allow their girls to marry until the boy has a good job, a home and can support her and a soon to be born child. Good luck with that."
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In the previews it looks like one of the Bates boys is a fireman.

Joanna said...

Alot of "secular" people I know, espeically in high school, were in a hurry to get married. They feared if they didn't marry young, they would be old maids and vice versa. My old classmates are now 28 and 29 and most of them already have children in elementary school. Some even in middle school. I was one of the very few at my 10-year reunion who wasn't married or engaged. Several of them were already on their second marriages.

Religious, culture, or very secular and un-religious, it crosses bonderies. Many young people are in a hurry to marry young and have children, usually for the wrong reasons.

Anonymous said...

Hate to say it but many young people from these strict cultures want to marry so they can have "legal" sex. It's a really dopey reason to marry, because those marriages typically fail, but when sex is forbidden outside of marriage, marriage at 19 looks OK. Of course, most 19 year olds are nowhere near mature enough to handle the responsibilities of marriage, which is why so many of those young marriages fail.

kidznpupz said...

I just was thinking about the Duggar girls - especially the older ones. It seems like when they marry they will never have known anything outside of cooking, cleaning and raising children. I believe that everyone, male or female should have a way to support themselves. Life is too uncertain for a woman to depend on the support of a husband. There is always illness or death and a woman has to know how to "make it" in the real world. I wish the Duggar girls could get some career training outside the home just in case. You never know what will happen.

Anonymous said...

In the previews it looks like one of the Bates boys is a fireman.
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I think they are just volunteer firefighters. Jim Bob, Josh and probably John are volunteer firefighters too in Tontitown, AR. They have been for years.

Anonymous said...

"volunteer" firefighters go into the same fires as full time fire fighters :) So they aren't "just volunteer firefighters". They die in fires just as frequently as full time firefighters. Their lives are risked in exactly the same way as professional firefighters. My husband is a proud full time union firefighter but an even prouder volunteer firefighter as am I :)

I had no clue they were firefighters. I'd never heard that before. Very interesting tidbit!

Anonymous said...

I'm not use to Volunteer fireman.

It appears that the Bates' town has 22 career fireman and 22 volunteer.

It will be interesting to find out which on the Bates boy is.

Anonymous said...

"The Duggars won't allow their girls to marry until the boy has a good job, a home and can support her and a soon to be born child. Good luck with that."

I don't think that is an unreasonable thing to look for in a prospective mate. I wish I had been that smart at an early age or had an adult who cared about my wellbeing enough to guide me as to what to look for.

Kat said...

I think the point about being "just" volunteer firefighters was that they are not paid for their service. The poster was referencing an earlier post talking about a prospective husband needing a good job.

chris said...

I can't see it being one of the older girls. They each seem to have alot of responsbilites and are needed at home, espcially now with Michelle being a more high risk pregnancy. Who would home school, cook, clean etc?
I guess it would have to be John David. Would he be tree cutting and living near the Bates?, or doing the the tow company with Josh? Do the Duggars have another free rental property to give the next kid to be married?

Keri said...

Pretty depressing to imply that getting married and having a family is the end of enjoying one's life.



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Nope, just the end of enjoying your TEENAGED and young adult years. There are plenty of years in life to get married and enjoy having a family. All these kids have already practically raised a family so I don't think it's the end of the world to wonder why they can't have a few years off on their own just discovering WHO they are when they are not someone's buddy.

grace said...

"Why does ANYone even want them to get married this young. They should be enjoying life, not getting tied down and producing the next line of Duggars."

What's there to enjoy? They are stuck at home caring for their mom's kids, doing endless laundry, cooking, and cleaning. They're already tied down in a sense. Of course they want to get married! They don't get to leave their parents house until they get married.

I also think people want one of the kids to get engaged because this show has gotten a little boring and monotonous. A new romance would definitely spice things up. The thing that bothers me is that I think a potential romance could be "hurried" in this family since there is a TLC (money) factor adding to the mix.

Im_in_PR said...

There are plenty of years in life to get married and enjoy having a family.

Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?

Jane in California said...

Im_in_PR said...

Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?

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I'm not a fertility specialist, so I can't give you a definitive answer. However, I had my son at age 35, which you could say is at a delayed age. Had an absolutely smooth and perfect pregnancy and birth, despite being considered an "older" parent. A friend of mine had her child at age 45. Delaying it only means you choose to wait to have children. Maybe you find out at that point that you have fertility problems, but you probably had them all along and didn't know.

However, the older the mom is, the higher your chances for certain problems. At the forefront would be a Downs Syndrome baby. My sis (my parents' last child) is Downs Syndrome. Sarah Palin's youngest has Downs. No affect on fertility, but a greater chance of other factors coming into play.

Having children when you are younger, in your 20's and early 30's, is easier on your body and you have more energy for your young kids. Having your babies when you are established in your career and money is not so tight, when you are older and wiser, brings different benefits to parenthood. Neither one is the best, they simply are different.

I am glad I waited to have my child as I certainly enjoyed my 20's and early 30's very much. I attended college, I lived for awhile outside Washington, D.C., in Virginia, in Hawaii and then returned to California. I got to kick up my heels, see a bit of the world and now that I'm a settled down mom with a relatively dull job, I don't feel like I missed out.

kays said...

check out
www.babycenter.com/0_chart-the-effect-of-age-on-fertility_6155.bc

very definitely- the longer you wait, the more your likely to have problems.

Midwest Mom said...

I wonder if Mrs. Bates will give us Too Much Information (TMI) on this episode, like when Michelle Duggar announced in an episode that her current pregnancy was conceived on Father's Day.

Joe Blow said...

Please forgive me for asking, but I have been searching for several weeks now. How can I watch this show? Is it free online somewhere, or do I have to pay somewhere? A link would be very useful. It seems that when I go to TLC at the correct time, there is no link or anything. Here is the page I look at to find the show schedule: http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=2.15911.56104.37943.24

As a side note, I do not have any visual on many of TLC's past videos. Ex.: Erin Bates in Concert (http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/18-kids-and-counting-erin-bates-in-concert.html). Is it because there is no video, or because there is something wrong with my flashplayer?

Thank you!

Prospector Sam said...

The age of the mother IS a factor in fertility, however it doesn't become a significant factor until the mid-thirties. A 25 or 28 year old's odds of getting pregnant are only fractionally smaller than a 20 year old's. Until age 35 or so, there are many other factors such as genetics, weight, history of STDs, overall health, etc, that have a much more significant effect than age.
So, there is no legitimate reason for a woman in her 20's to be in a hurry to have a family because of fear of infertility. And with their family history (mom easily getting pregnant in her 40's) the girls have no reason to doubt they could too!

Im_in_PR said...

Is it because there is no video, or because there is something wrong with my flashplayer?

Try using a different browser.

Also, there are a lot of Duggar videos on Youtube.

Keri said...

Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?


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I don't think waiting until you are 25 or 26 to have children puts you in the 'advanced maternal age' category. There are plenty of child bearing years that do NOT include 19-20-21-22

gracie said...

I can't wait to see baby callie-anna bates tonight! Shes sure to be a cutie!

gayle said...

I understand JB&M making the decision to have a large family. But their children did not sign on for this assignment. It's really not fair to them to have to raise their siblings and clean house for so many people. They seem okay with it maybe because they are good and caring people. Plus they don't know any other way of life. My opinion is that the parents should not have any more children they they themselves can raise. I think brothers and sisters can help out and also have household chores, but this is on a grand scale. I repeat none of this was their choice - they were thrust into this situation, whether they agree with it or not. Also, children should be raised by their parents not siblings.

Anonymous said...

As a 21 year old fundamental/quiverful Christian, who is engaged, I think many of you have a wrong impression of why we are interested in getting married younger. For me and the boy I am courting, it is not about wanting to have sex soon or make babies. We feel called to marriage. We both will be married Ivy League graduates and have an apartment and jobs lined up in May. It IS possible if you want it. That's why I love the Duggars. Josh and Anna do the best they can to make it work and they are following God's calling for their lives.

I wish they had higher educations though... I wear my skirts in school and manage to not get into any trouble. College is what made me want to continue this lifestyle. The Duggars never had the chance to make the choice and try out how the rest of the world lives.

Anonymous said...

I do recall seeing John David driving up to Josh's car lot in his tow truck. Does that mean his business is open?

I wonder if him and Erin Bates are courting but just keeping it on the dl.

I also wonder how Josh will react when the attention is less on him and more on his younger brother. He seems like an attention hog.

Joe Blow said...

Thank you, Im_in_PR, for the reply. I have tried Google Chrome, Safari 3 & 4, IE 5.5 & 6 & 7 & 8, FireFox 2 & 3 & 3.5, Opera 9 & 10, on a variety of OSes including Vista, XP, and Ubuntu. That's why I wondered if there was no video for this, and other TLC videos. I must have something wrong!

Please forgive me for re-asking my original question. Does anybody know where I can watch the Duggar shows when they are broadcasted? Is it just on TV, or can I watch it online, too? I understand that they have a show every Wednesday or Thursday at 7 or 9 pm, I don't remember exactly.

Again, thank you for the response.

pumpkin said...

Joe Blow, as far as I know, there are no complete episodes available to watch online. You can get snippets on TLC.com or via Youtube though.

TLC airs the new episodes on Tuesdays at 9pm Eastern. They also air re-runs in the mornings at 7am and 7:30am (eastern) and again in the afternoon around 3pm.

If you have Comcast, you can watch them via "On Demand", although (at least where I live) they are usually about a month out of date.

christin:) said...

JoeBlow- You can wath TLC online, live, at http://www.tvonpcoffers.com/tlclive.html

Hope this helps you! The timing is just a few seconds off, but otherwise it works fine!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I hope they show the Bate's house finished this time.

Joe Blow said...

Thank you both pumpkin and christin for the responses! Pumpkin, that's kind of what I figured, but I don't have Comcast, I suppose it has something to do with TV. I don't have TV, so I was afraid that it might only be available that way. To christin, thank you for the link. I will try it out. Unfortunately, I am busy this evening, and will probably not be able to watch tonight's episode, but perhaps I'll get to see it on a re-run some morning. I suppose the re-run's in the morning are there too?

Thanks!

grrrr said...

looks like we have to wait til next week.... darn TLC.....

BigFan said...

Have I lost my mind or was Mrs. Bates SMILING during the final stages of natural childbirth?
Wow.
Having given birth 4 times, I am in complete awe.
Love this show!!

Jessica said...

Callie is a cutie!
:)

I can't believe Kelly had 14 homebirths!

It actually sounded nice when she said she would tell the children to go to bed and they would have a new sibling in the morning and that she valued the privateness of a homebirth. Anyway, I think it was kind of a good idea to have a hospital birth because of her miscarriages and now that she's older.

When they went shopping I could understand why the girls hate it, they have to buy so much food, I bet it's tiring, I hate shopping most of the time as well.

Anyway, good episode, can't wait to see the finished house next week!

Jessica said...

Oh yeah, I forgot to say I couldn't believe she was SMILING and acted like she was in no pain during the final stages of birth and I think she said the baby is coming and then the baby was there, All births should be like that lol

chocolatebee said...

Definitely enjoyed seeing the Bates family, I always do.The Bates are a lot like the Duggars yet different in their own way.They have such a beautiful family including new baby Callie Ann.She is such a blessing after having two miscarriages. I was surprised to hear that Kelly had two miscarriage. After seeing the family again I think that Micheaela would be a good match for John David. I think her personality would match better than Erin's and JD's. I thought it was so cute that their son Lawson likes to do the shopping.It shows that their gender roles arent etched in stone.The house is shaping up to be really nice. I wish them all the best.

I am so glad that Jessa and the other girls got to experience the nail and spa treatment.It is such a fun part of growing up. I've shared that experience with my daughter since she was very young.Its truly a bonding experience for us.I was kind of wondering why the girls seem so shell shocked in their interview though.

All and all I really enjoyed the episode and am looking forward to the next part.

chocolatebee said...

I also think it is awesome to see John David working towards being a volunteer firefighter.Where I live this is a pretty common thing for guys to be a part of the dept as volunteers.

And I was floored when I saw Kelly Bates lying in bed, calm, and say "I think the baby is coming". And sure enough when the nurse checked, she said "there's the shoulders". I was thinking "Wow, she's a trooper". She did that with little effort.

Digger said...

Yeah, I was wondering if Kelly didn't have some kind of drugs or she has no feeling left down there. It was way to easy that birth.

Looks like Jill finally got those braces off.

Is Jim Bob having a midlife crisis? What's with trying to prove his manhood all the time. Jim Bob is really starting to annoy me.

Looks like that little Bates boy had a broken foot. Gil was carrying him around and I saw a cast shoe on him. I hope that construction site of a home didn't get him.

Morgan said...

DID THE WOMAN EVEN PUSH?! My goodness it was like she was just laying there then said I think the babys coming, then they raised up the sheet and there she was! I think it was really smart of them to opt for the hospital birth--opting for safety over comfort. I think next week we will actually see the finished finished house, even though its looking really good now. I cant believe the Bates had to spend $2400 on food?! I mean I know that the families that are helping them with their house are doing them such a favor, but is it really necessary to feed them breakfast lunch and dinner every day they are there. They are not people of much wealth, I'd think that kind of bill would break the bank! Oh well I guess its a small number compared to what it would cost to pay a contractor to do those renovations. I wonder if they get any $ from TLC? For the record I wouldn't think any less of them, in fact I would consider it a great thing since they have welcomed the cameras into their own home and even joined the Duggar trend of televising a birth!
Cant wait for next Tuesday...sorry for the novel ;)

Digger said...

I'm getting the feeling that TLC foots the bill for the groceries when the Bates are on.

That episode was filmed only 4 weeks ago. I hope the house is done by Christmas. They still have a way to go.

Cyn said...

In the south and mid west when you have a "house raising" or a "barn raising" usually each family brought food to the event. But either way yes feeding them would be considered 'southern hospitality' Especially in the smaller communities where ever one knows each other... I'm also betting that the church the Bates attend will also bring meals and what not for the first week or so to help out.

I'm quite sure the Duggars feed the film crew, and people that come out to work on their house when they are at home as well.

PS the reason I singled out the south is I grew up here and I have no idea how it's done in the North ;)

Dunwoody Mom said...

Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?

I had my first child at 36 and the second one at 38. I got pregnant each time on the "first try".

pumpkin said...

This was a great episode. I am so glad the girls got a chance to get pampered at the spa for once, and the boys got to go do something fun for them as well at the fire house.

This morning (Wednesday) I watched the re-run of the first Bates family visit, where they start the addition. Jim Bob asks Clark Wilson when he thinks it will be finished and Clark says "I don't know... maybe Christmas." How oddly prophetic!

Jim Bob's bungee jump was weird. And not very far. When I went bungee jumping it was 150 feet of free fall and they told me that was a fairly short one. I was also attached at the ankles, so I went head-down. When I saw how short of a distance he fell, I was surprised that none of the others did it, it wasn't that bad.

Anonymous said...

I am certain that TLC paid the $2K grocery bill, and that since we are seeing things, like another modest mother giving birth on TV, that the Bates' are getting right on the TLC gravy train too. Who can blame them? They see all the perks that the Duggars are getting, and want in on some of the pie!

Even though I also think the Bates seem like a nice family, it is just creepy to have the cameras in for the birth. I just wish these families would realize that when they give up their privacy, they can never, ever get it back. It isn't worth any money in the world to compromise safety and privacy.

Beedageeda said...

I was shocked at the grocery bill! It was double what they paid when both the Wilsons and the Duggars came for the start of the remodel!!

mlou said...

I would think that the Bates would be reimbursed for at least part of the grocery bill.

I also wondered if Kelly had been given drugs. But having 14 home births and this being her 17th child, I doubt if she did.

Also, I just have to comment on the getting married young discussion. I was 18 when I married, and have been happily married for 13 years. I realize that may not sound like much to some people but I am very proud of it. Look at the couples that have been married 50 plus years. A majority of them were probably in their teens. Bottomline, when it is the right person, it's the right person.

wrong show? said...

I think TLC probably footed the food bill - lol! I thought that catered when they shoot anyway?

I thought I had turned on J/K when I saw the salon stuff and Jim Bob having to bungee jump.

Anonymous said...

Im_in_PR said...
There are plenty of years in life to get married and enjoy having a family.

Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?
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I don't think that is what was being suggested... simply waiting until your mid-twenties to have kids would provide limitless opportunities to learn about and explore the "outside" world for the Duggar girls.

Ms_Fu said...

This message is for Joe Blow. I don't have TLC either, but I've watched several episodes on YouTube. Search under "18 kids and counting" and you will find several. Do another search under "17 kids and counting" and you will find several older episodes. Good luck.

Sarah said...

Was it just me, or did the Bates clothing look less "homemade" last night? They always seemed to wear homemade looking clothes, but their clothing is changing like the Duggars have changed - which is great! I'm glad for them! I just wanted to see if anyone else noticed it.

Midwest Mom said...

"Isn't delaying childbirth until you are older a leading cause of infertility?"

Simple answer: NO.

I got married when I was 36 and got pregnant on my honeymoon. We have a very healthy baby born 9 months 2 days after our wedding.

Despite all the publicity to the contrary, there are PLENTY of "older moms" that get pregnant easily and have healthy babies.

Look at Michelle Duggar,...no fertility problems there !

Anonymous said...

Pumpkin - here's another thing I found prophetic... I also watched that episode this morning and noticed that JB said he wanted to have the house done before Kelly's baby was due. Well, that baby miscarried and so did her next. Now she finally had a baby AND the house got done. I just thought that was interesting how that worked out and the house DID get done before the baby came.

Joe Blow said...

Thanks, Ms_Fu, for the reply. I checked out YouTube. It looks like there are not very many full episodes, and that they are generally divided into three sections (perhaps YouTube does not allow for videos longer that 10 minutes? I don't use it enough to know.), but there are a few episodes there.

Thank you!

Joe

Anonymous said...

I am going to assume that Kelly had drugs or at least an epidural which would be surprising since I know part of their beliefs is to not use any drugs for pain relief.But I have had a natural birth before and it is NOT easy.The pain is unbelieveble. Granted Kelly has had 14 or 16 births before Callie Anne but birth never gets easier to me.But I swear it seemed that she passed gas and the little beauty was here.I was thinking "Wow".

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

I must say that not everyone experiences childbirth the same way. I have brief labors that are for the most part pain free. Kelly may also be similarly blessed. I joke that if I feel a contraction, it's time to play catch. I've never gotten to the hospital before being 6 cm and do not feel the contractions at that point. I have to keep my hands on my abdomen to time the contractions. I'm not a complete freak of nature as my aunt and grandmother were the same way and I have friends who are very similar.

it's just a show said...

We don't actually know that they filmed Kelly giving birth - it could have been a reinactment. Remember reality tv is not actually real! Reality shows are loosely based on reality.

Anonymous said...

it's just a show said-We don't actually know that they filmed Kelly giving birth - it could have been a reinactment. Remember reality tv is not actually real! Reality shows are loosely based on reality.
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I would be shocked if that was not real footage. That would be like lying and trying to trick the public. I can't imagine a family as fundamental as theirs being willing to fake the birth of a child just for a TV show.

Joanna said...

Just one thing to say about this episode, I love it!

Kays said...

to Mr. Joe Blow:

There happen to be plenty of episodes on youtube, I think most of them are on. you just have to look for them. They don't always show up on the search, but if you see a specific user who uploads these videos, go to their channel , and you'll probably find more.
(for example - http://www.youtube.com/user/duggarhayesfan)

I think they are divided up to cut out the commercials aired in the middle.

Anonymous said...

There is NO way that was a reinactment. That was obviously a live birth, the baby still had fluid on her once she revealed.Maybe it was editing or something but Kelly Bates looked unbelieveably relaxed.

Enough with the Mulltiples said...

re:Pumpkin - here's another thing I found prophetic... I also watched that episode this morning and noticed that JB said he wanted to have the house done before Kelly's baby was due. Well, that baby miscarried and so did her next. Now she finally had a baby AND the house got done. I just thought that was interesting how that worked out and the house DID get done before the baby came.
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Kelly didn't miscarry the baby she was pregnant with when they started the addition on Mother's Day--that is the baby she delivered in the other night's epiosde. Her miscarriages were before they came to visit in May. And it looked to me like the baby came and that house still isn't completely done. I was thinking that was another good reason to have the baby at the hospital.

Digger said...

In a preview of next week's episode it said that they finish the Bates home. Geez, I hope so.

I wonder if the new baby is a boy and they don't people speculating about down syndrome which is more prevalent in boys. Or maybe they are doing the Bates thing and not wanting to know the gender this time.

Mandy said...

Did anyone notice how much older some of the Bates boys looked? Seems like a couple of them grew up really fast.

Anonymous said...

Do all large families sing together? I think the Bates are better than the Duggars.

I wonder if the Wilsons feel bad because they only have 9 kids.

By Faith Also Sara said...

If the Bates recorded a CD, I'd buy it.

Anonymous said...

Do all large families sing together? I think the Bates are better than the Duggars.

I wonder if the Wilsons feel bad because they only have 9 kids.
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It funny you mention that because I notice how Jim Bob in particular will say something like "This here is the Wilson family and they only have 9 children". Nine children isnt anything to slouch about but in their circle it would seem like nothing. I often wonder do women who follow the same beliefs that the Duggars and Bates do (although they say it isnt Quiverfull, I believe that it is) feel inferior to women who able to have more children? Do they feel pressured to have a gang of little ones? If it is truly trusting in God and taking whatever he gives you, then a woman who only births one baby, should be just as valued as one who births 20.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

As far as natural childbirth goes, I recently delivered an 11 pound baby at home, and while transition (going from 8-10 cm) was painful, it was bearable, and pushing was downright easy. And that was my second child, my first homebirth. If you can get past your natural instinct to tense up in pain with a contraction and instead relax, labor goes much faster and ends up being less painful.

I missed the episode, but was anything said as to why she had a hospital birth? Were there complications aside from prior miscarriages? It's unusual for someone who normally births at home to have a hospital birth unless there are complications with the pregnancy, at least amongst the women I know who birth at home. :)

Enough with the Multiples said...

Re: I often wonder do women who follow the same beliefs that the Duggars and Bates do (although they say it isnt Quiverfull, I believe that it is) feel inferior to women who able to have more children? Do they feel pressured to have a gang of little ones? If it is truly trusting in God and taking whatever he gives you, then a woman who only births one baby, should be just as valued as one who births 20. MOM IN TEXAS
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I have wondered this too. There are times where it seems implied that a woman's worth in their society is judged somewhat by how many babies they have. Maybe I'm just reading more into some of their comments and actions but there are a few instances that stand out as examples of how focused they are on pregnancy:

Anna commented that she had taken several pregnancy test till the month they got the positive one, yet they'd only been married a few months and couldn't have been trying that long. Perhaps Anna has irregular cylces and being late is common for her and thus the reason for the pregnancy tests but it did seem strange that she had taken several tests in such a short span of time.

There was also an episode where Michelle said something about the older girls watching the calender for her cycle....now that just seemed strange too. How many teenage girls do you know that keep track of their mother's periods???

And if Michelle and the girls are so keenly aware of her cycle than they do kinda practice some form of family planning. It's not entirely all God's will in that instance.

Anonymous said...

"I missed the episode, but was anything said as to why she had a hospital birth? Were there complications aside from prior miscarriages? It's unusual for someone who normally births at home to have a hospital birth unless there are complications with the pregnancy, at least amongst the women I know who birth at home. :"

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She tested positive for Strep B. That was the reason she gave besides the two miscarriages.

Anonymous said...

Enough of Mulitiples I agree with the observations that you have.The amount of focus that is put on child bearing amongst all the families who share the same values is scary. I would hope that if one of the girls isn't able to have children or only has one child that she won't feel devastated or completely worhtless in comparison to her mother or sisters.

I am actually watching a previous TLC Duggar special, Raising 16 Children, and the family attended the ATI homeschool conference. There is a segment where other families were interviewed and every single family interviewed had between 8 and 14 children. There was several different families. I guess I understimate the number of families who follow these values.But I always wonder, at what cost, do you put your body through this in order to be receive praise for being able to be so fertile.

MOM IN TEXAS

Judy said...

I agree with you EnoughWiththeMultiples. It's not God's will if you're deliberately watching your cycle to try to conceive. It's fine if you want to do that, but then just be honest (with yourself, at least!) and say that's what you're doing.

Anonymous said...

****"But I always wonder, at what cost, do you put your body through this in order to be receive praise for being able to be so fertile."***

There might be some doing it for "praise" but I think that most of them really believe that they are doing their Christian duty.

Marybeth said...

A lot of you seem to think that all the older girls do is cook and clean and take care of kids, but that simply isn't true...they actually have a lot of outside activities of their own. They volunteer with community organizations of their choice, they help with food and literacy programs, and they do have friends outside their family. They are not prisoners inside their home. I'm so sick and tired of hearing people say that all they do is raise their siblings. That simply isn't true--they do and are allowed to have lives of their own--yes they help out, they have chores that they do--most children in most families do...but they also have activities that they participate in. Let go of the cynicicm a little bit. Just because you don't see it in 30 minutes of tv doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

When Josh got engaged Michelle said "wow Jana then John-David" ...she could have just been kidding, because that was birth order, but she certainly doesn't intend to keep her daughters home longer just because they "take care of her younger kids for her."

They aren't going to let their kids marry until they find the perfect match. Love is the key and yes someone who can take care of a home and be a bread-winner. However, they have also said that their daughters have talked of careers as well. Remember Michelle worked before having a child and she and JB have no problem with their girls working if they choose to.

Marybeth said...

The reason they are "watching their cycle" is because they believe in the old testament rule that you don't engage in intercourse so many days near a woman's cycle...it's something Chassidic Jews believe as well...it's not for family planning in Jewish law, it's a matter of cleanliness in our belief. The Duggars also adhere to that Old Testament law of not having intercourse 40 days after the birth of a son and 80 days after the birth of a daughter. It's in their book.

Marybeth said...

Something else I'd like to add, about "supporting a child." While many of the kids have said that they are leaving it up to G-d to how many kids they'll have, that doesn't mean they'll have 19. My husband and I did that and we have 1. Both Josh and Anna have said that they aren't out to create any records and 3 or 4 is perfectly fine. All of the kids know that their parents used birth control when they got married and I'm sure they wouldn't be judged impoper if they used at least the rhythm method to wait a bit. This isn't a cult. Michelle and JB have all said their kids are individuals and have individual ideas and plans. Some of the boys and girls want to be missionaries and that often means being unmarried when you do it. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one or two were "confirmed bachelor missionaries" or "spinster missionaries" ...if you get my drift.

Anonymous said...

The reason they are "watching their cycle" is because they believe in the old testament rule that you don't engage in intercourse so many days near a woman's cycle...


Also a very prominent teaching of Bill Gothard.

Kat said...

"The reason they are "watching their cycle" is because they believe in the old testament rule that you don't engage in intercourse so many days near a woman's cycle"
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Okay, but the creepy part of this is that THE GIRLS are watching Michelle's cycle?!!! Why in heaven's name would they be interested in their mother's cycle? That just screams that pregnancy is the end all and be all, and that if you're not pregnant, you should be trying to get pregnant. Hence the multiple pregnancy tests stored in the house.

I ask you - Did you ever have any interest in knowing about your mother's cycle, or the timing of your parents' sex life?

And they don't need to watch their own cycles, because none of them are having sex, so the prohibitions wouldn't apply. Unless they separate themselves from the famiily during their cycles, per the OT?

As for Anna, yes, I think it was pretty obvious that she and Josh were desperate to have their own "blessing" as quickly as possible. Which is sad, because then 1) they really aren't leaving it up to God, and 2) imagine the sense of failure and inadequacy this must produce in a young woman who isn't "lucky" enough to conceived three months into her marriage.

Sigh. Whether it's the editing of the show, or their own true convictions, or they've just gotten caught up in their own hype and can't stop, the Duggars really do seem more and more just like a baby factory with only one goal - keep production going.

Somebody's Nana said...

Why does ANYone even want them to get married this young. They should be enjoying life, not getting tied down and producing the next line of Duggars.

The implication of your statement is that marriage is a burden and life cannot be enjoyed by anyone married? Life ends at marriage?

Many people do not share your view of marriage, the Duggars among them. Marriage is for many a completion of themselves, the way we were designed to complement each other.

I married young, enjoyed raising my three (two of whom finished college, the other declined - adamantly!) bright, beautiful daughters, thoroughly enjoy my grandchildren, and yet I still do things for me. I am at 53, pursuing a masters in counseling after a career in early childhood education. Next week we celebrate our 36th anniversary. [go ahead, do the math :) ]

Marriage is what you make of it. And attitude can be a self-fulfilling prophecy; if you see it as drudgery, it will be. If you see it as a blessing, it will be.

The Duggar girls (and guys) have options to choose from, but they will likely see value in things that others do not. That they see value in the things their parents cherish is understandable; it's why parents invest themselves in raising their children - to pass on their values!

If single-ness is the thing a person values most, then that is how they should live their lives. If marriage is important, then commit to it wholeheartedly.

Someone else commented that marriage was the only "legal" way to have sex. Well, the Duggars do think that, but they don't get married just to have sex. They anticipate the freedom in sharing the marital relationship with the person they have committed their lives to and anticipate and expect the same commitment in return. I sometimes think that there is a lot of jealousy inherent in many comments about the Duggars' relationship.

Comments about JB and his relationship with Michelle are intriguing to me. Why would anyone fault a husband for being madly in love with his wife? Why would anyone fault a child for thinking that they would like to have someone love them that way, too? I just don't understand how people can look at someone who is happy and find a way to make it seem like hell on earth!

It's a matter of perspective. In looking at other people's lives, it's important to put aside your own views and see why they value what they do. Whether married or not, do they display honesty, commitment, integrity, compassion, etc.? Is this or that action how they live out their character, or is it a contradiction? These things are so much more important to consider than whether or not they choose the same path I would choose.

Somebody's Nana said...

Do all large families sing together? I think the Bates are better than the Duggars.

Interesting question - it's really not so unusual, especially if the family is deeply involved in a church. Singing is a natural form of worship, even outside of any church "building". Even my little family had a habit of singing in the car on long trips. We could go on for more than an hour without repeating a single song.

But if you go back a couple of generations, before television, you will find that a popular way of entertaining was to invite people for dinner and singing afterwards. Usually there were a few people who had taken piano lessons and could play - my grandmother and her friends spoke fondly of many evenings with friends in such a manner. The nice part was that even if you weren't part of a "couple" you were welcome and comfortable in such a setting.

Kat said...

I don't think all large families sing together, but I will bet that large families who don't watch TV, who homeschool, who discourage excessive time away from the family, look for ways to entertain themselves. Music is certainly an easy way to do that, especially singing.

As the previous poster noted, before TV and radio, singing and playing music were the predominant forms of entertainment, along with "elocution" presentations (reading or reciting dramatic pieces and poetry aloud).

Marybeth said...

joeblow

duggarhayesfan has all of this seasons episodes in full on youtube...

mamawama said...

It's not about seeing who can have the most kids, or looking down on people who are infertile. It is about obeying God, and giving up all areas of our lives to Him. Even in Christian circles, most people will say " I will give God control of my finances, and my life, but not my fertility" The Bible is very clear that God is the one who gives the blessing of children. So, it is right to give him control over ALL areas of our lives.

Also, people are ok with accepting God's blessings when they come in the form of money, but when they come in the form of children, NO WAY! Although most people would say that they wouldn't trade their children for all the money in the world. It's ironic. The Bible says debt is a curse, but we apply for that all the time. The Bible calls children a blessing, but we will do anything to stop that blessing.

Joe Blow said...

Thanks, Marybeth, I appreciate it. Does anybody know where I could watch some of the older Duggar videos for comparison? Ex. 14 or 16 children "specials". Thanks!

Joe

Anonymous said...

I just now saw this episode and I have to say I was pretty disappointed in the Bates' decision to have the birth on the show.

Mrs. Bates said she'd had home births before because she liked the privacy of a home birth. While I would not be comfortable having a home birth because I would be afraid of complications arising that we could not deal with at home, I can totally understand and respect wanting to have privacy during birth. She then said they decided to have this baby at the hospital because of a potential risk they were aware of with this baby (I don't specifically remenber what it was). Once again, I respect this decision. It makes sense to me to take the extra precautions because of the knowledge they have about this birth. BUT, what I cannot understand is why someone who likes the PRIVACY of a home birth would choose to have her birth recorded and shown on national television. I'm sorry, but this is a sell-out. I don't know why they did it - money from TLC, pressure from their friends the Duggars, a desire to be in the spotlight like the Duggars, but whatever their reasoning, it obviously contradicted Mrs. Bates' desire for privacy and I was disappointed that they chose to air the birth.