Dead Horse List

Shall we start a dead horse list and then we can link to where the discussion was covered?

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think the property tax discussion is a dead horse, although I can't find the thread.

Anonymous said...

The condition of Michelle's uterus.

Cyn said...

The Mini Mart.

And with the taxes and the mini mart can we just point them to the thread(s) where we buried them?

Taxes = http://duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2009/12/fact-or-fiction.html

Mini Mart =
http://duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-you-really-have-to-hash-out-duggars.html

Anonymous said...

Quiverful.

Tammy C said...

Who is pregnant-Michelle,Anna or both!

Who is engaged?

Anonymous Again said...

Sharla, you crack me up! What a funny idea for a thread!

I wish we could eliminate the whole "Christian" thing.

Being an individual, being a parent, being in a family: none of these are somehow elevated to moral superiority simply because they are "Christian".

Christianity does not have the corner on the ethics market.

GeekSandwich said...

The whole show.

mythoughtis said...

the entire premise that homeschooling is so much better for a child than public/private school.

Anonymous said...

Sharla, I'm a little confused. Are the things we write on this thread supposed to be serious and are they actual things that you will consider as designated "dead horses" that we aren't allowed to bring up again? Someone mentioned Quiverful and who is pregnant or engaged - are we seriously not allowed to talk about those things anymore? Or are these just kind of jokes or things that personally irritate us? I'm worried it will get to the point where we can't even have the blog anymore. Thanks!

roddma said...

"The whole show."
My thoughts exactly and the modesty issue about "Mama skin"

Celestie said...

Who cleans the refrigerator.

Anonymous said...

People talking about the girls doing all of the work. Blah, blah, blah. Its been stated so many times already. We get it, the girls work hard, move on!

McGuff said...

Oh where to begin...
-Jim Bob's hair spray.
-Josh's arrogance.
-The buddy system.
-Division of work load.
-Home schooling.
-Taxes.
-Is there another Duggar on the way?
-The little kids' behavior.
-And the subject that has been talked to death more than any other... NIKE!!! It was said once in one episode and people won't let it be forgotten.

Sharla said...

LOL, my first intent had been true dead horse like the mini-mart, but it seems many people get tired of many of the repetitive discussions. Perhaps the thread is a good idea for people to see what others are tired of hearing about so they'll be more cautious of bringing it up in the future.

Thanks for the links, Cyn.

Anonymous said...

I raise objection to some of the suggestions :) Can I get a second? LOL

In all seriousness, I agree that some issues, especially those tangential to the show itself, such as Michelle or JB making a comment at a seminar about a certain large muscle - could be briefly discussed then we all move on.

But some of the other issues, such as the buddy system, the unequal division of labor, homeschooling -- well, those are ongoing parts of the show and I don't think those should be considered dead topics or off limits. Am I making sense?

Those things that pertain to the show, and that we see on the show, should be open for discussion. Those things that happen off the show, but that make the news, such as a People magazine article, interview given by a family member, or other public appearance, can also be discussed.

Those things that we ferret out with our super sleuthing skills via blogs of friends of Duggars -- maybe only briefly discussed then we move on.

Just a thought :)

Cyn said...

I second the thought... Their religion IS part of the show, what some conference topic was where they got some award isn't (at least not yet).

Home schooling is part of the show, Public school, private school, or home school being morally superior is not.

Modesty is another one that's honestly starting to bug me. The only things the Duggars have said about modesty is in how they dress, and that MICHELLE doesn't want any one to see mommy skin. the fact that JimBob filmed the C-section then gave it to TLC has got to rankle Michelle. The fans and the detractors though have brought the modesty concept into everything and personally it's just getting old.

Steve knight said...

it is pretty much said that everything here has been talked o death. but come on now there is only so much new that a family can do. so either people keep beating the dead horse or the blog dies of lack of new info.

GeekSandwich said...

"Steve knight said...

it is pretty much said that everything here has been talked o death. but come on now there is only so much new that a family can do. so either people keep beating the dead horse or the blog dies of lack of new info."

Haha, good point.

Suzie said...

The problem is that there are newbies coming here all the time and what one person may be tired of reading may be a first for someone else. Especially now that TWoP is cracking down on just about any topic of discussion.

Therefore, in this context, I think it's virtually impossible to define a "dead horse." Someone may come here tomorrow wanting to discuss the Mini-Mart protest, unaware it's been a sore spot here for months. As per the rules of this blog, we cannot address the poster personally; the mods can not permit the posts to go through, but I personally think that's fair and would likely discourage newbies from posting again. IOW, clamping down on specific topics could potentially hurt more than help the blog. JMHO.

I do agree that religion IS an open-season topic because JB himself said they would only do the show if their religion was NOT edited out of it. Homeschooling and their views about other types of education have been discussed by the Duggars on several occasions, including their trip to the public school; IMHO, all of that is also fair game from all sides of the issue (which are well represented here).

Again, all MHO. It's not my blog. :)

Tammy C said...

Don't forget we are slow with topics due to no new shows.August 3 is around the corner.

Anonymous said...

Enough with the "They only have a TV show because Jim Bob is pretty darn potent!"

Okay! Yes, he is, but there is more to the show than who has faster sperm!

Anonymous said...

I wish that we could all respect that everyone has a different opinion, and all Duggar related discusions are welcomed. I wish that we not judge people on what they wish to talk about in the blog. Hey, if it strikes good conversation, let it be!

Celestie said...

I have a question for those who know every little thing the Duggars do, say and write: Do those girls ever engage in any sports or do anything physical other than child tending, and household chores? (And of course broomball.)

How are they preparing their bodies for the work of incubating and birthing multiple children or even one child?

Cyn said...

They play kickball, they play running games, they play Mother May I, they play Rover Red Rover.

They have been horse back riding, they ride bikes, they walk. They get more exercise in a day than I get in a MONTH.

I have no doubts they will be able to physically handle the rigors of pregnancy, child birth, and the raising of their own children.


PS I don't claim to know everything they do or say, I simply do the research, and I've watched the shows.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more with the comment regarding newbies. We were all new to this blog at some point. I remember being new and having a few posts rejected, and it was discouraging. Now I totally understand the rules, and I stuck around and continued reading and writing. I just feel (and I know how I feel is probably irrelevant) that this blog should be a place to hear and discuss different issues about the Duggars and hear what EVERYONE thinks about the show. If we limit topics by what we have all discussed (I've been a part since October), then we will eventually become an exclusive group, because nobody will know what is and isn't taboo.

As another poster mentioned, someone could come on tomorrow wanting to discuss the mini mart, for example. I agree that certain topics need to be left alone or need to be redirected, and I would hope that posters would take the time to read prior posts before writing. However, we can't - well I guess we can but IMO shouldn't - limit what is allowed by what bores us personally. I don't think that leads to a productive discussion or allows newbies to express their points of view.

We have to have rules, yes, but aren't we interested in hearing different perspectives and how the Duggars are perceived by others rather than continuing to hash things out amongst ourselves (with our already established and differing beliefs)until the list gets so short that there's no reason to have a blog anymore?

Celestie said...

They play kickball, they play running games, they play Mother May I, they play Rover Red Rover.

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The teen age and 20 year old girls are playing those childhood games, Mother May I,and Rover, Red Rover, on a regular basis? Are they able to run in those skirts long enough and hard enough, for it to be considered good exercise?

Yes, we saw them ride a horse ONCE. It did not seem they did it regularly or ever, other than that one time. We saw them climb a hill in flip flops, but I don't think that makes them hikers. In reality, do they get any exercise on a daily basis? Any stretching, other than using a mop, any weights. other than lifting cans of beans off of a shelf.

MandySue said...

IMO if someone mentions (for example) the mine-mart again I think it would be appropriate to answer THAT posts but not hash it all out again.

Someone mentions the mini mart and it gets picked up and the horse is resurrected...

Anonymous said...

"The teen age and 20 year old girls are playing those childhood games, Mother May I,and Rover, Red Rover..."

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

What 20 year old wants to play Red Rover, Mother May I???

It seems even into their 20's, the Duggar girls' life is one big round of Mother (or, more accurately, PATRIARCH), May I?

SAD.

Anonymous said...

It seems difficult to effectively limit the threads on the Duggar blog because the Duggar show itself is, by its very nature, already so limited. There really are only a few points to discuss.

The program is really only about a very conservative view of religion. That's pretty much it. Their entire life, at least as shown on tv, revolves around their religious beliefs which are, in and of themselves, polarizing.

Because the Duggar life is so limited, the same basic themes continue to surface again and again: religion in gen'l, refusing to limit family size, the apparent fear and dread of public schooling, extremely traditional (&, therefore, limiting) gender roles, their definition of 'modesty', children raised to stifle any feelings of doubt or of anger, an active avoidance of relationships with those who are not equally conservative and christian.

These very concepts are what define the entire show, and these very concepts are, by nature, polarizing, so the same basic debates seem inevitable: on the pro side of the table we have those who take personal offense at those who do not agree with the Duggar conservativism. On the con side, we have those who scratch their head in wonder at how adults are willing to buy into these ideas and call them 'religion'.

And so it goes.

IMO, just let the debate continue because it's always possible that one comment may spark another's re-evaluation of these themes, which can be a good thing. It's a good thing to think about old ideas in new ways.....

Anonymous said...

I’m worried that if new comments aren’t allowed about old issues (which may be new to the commenter), we will hash everything out amongst ourselves until every issue gets old and becomes a dead horse and we have no reason to have the blog anymore. I really don’t think we should limit ourselves this way – fresh perspective is what keeps the discussion going.

Here’s my suggestion, and of course the mods are free to take this with a grain of salt. I say Sharla creates a post that always remains at the top of the threads, called something like “First time posters, please read.” On this list will be the TRUE dead horses, as decided by Sharla, (such as the mini mart and property taxes). The post will explain that some issues have been discussed at length already in designated areas, so before you post on a new topic, please check the list to make sure it isn’t a “dead horse.” The post could provide a link or at least suggest where to look for the discussion on said topic, and I suggest we leave those threads open so if someone truly feels they need to add to the mini mart discussion, for example, they can do so in the appropriate place without opening up a whole new can of worms in a current thread. Then, if we choose to go back to the mini mart thread and check for new opinions, we can, but if not at least new posters have the opportunity to voice their opinions and we don’t have to see it if we don’t want to.

I feel it’s only fair to at least explain to new posters why they can’t discuss a certain topic (just mention it’s been beaten to death already) and to refer them to a place where they can, or where they can at least read about it. This protects us originals from becoming annoyed and prevents newbies from feeling left out of the loop. Feel free to agree or disagree, just wanted to throw this out there : )

Sharla said...

creates a post that always remains at the top of the threads, called something like “First time posters, please read.” On this list will be the TRUE dead horses, as decided by Sharla, (such as the mini mart and property taxes). The post will explain that some issues have been discussed at length already in designated areas, so before you post on a new topic, please check the list to make sure it isn’t a “dead horse.” The post could provide a link or at least suggest where to look for the discussion on said topic,

I'd have to say that's what I was hoping this post would be: a list of true dead horses and the links and not a discussion about whether or not we would decree things dead.

Anonymous said...

Sharla, thank you for all of your hard work. This must be so time consuming for you. It looks like this discussion has become more of a sounding board for what people are bored with and has become more of a joke than a serious "dead horse" list for newcomers. I'm sorry it's gotten carried away, and I agree with your last comment that that list is what we need to have. You just might have to create a new post/memo, whatever it's called, yourself and only list the issues that you truly feel are dead horses. It's up to you, it's your blog. We've obviously gotten carried away with personal rants on this thread, so I don't think this will be a good one for newbies to refer to. You might just have to post a short list of a couple topics that YOU feel have been beaten to death, because if you leave it up to us we will clearly get carried away : )

Jana fan said...

The problem is that although many of these topics have been discussed ad nauseum, they really are not "dead horses". These topics bring up fundamental differences between people, and allow all of us to share difference points of view, opinions, etc. I don't really see the problem, myself, with discussing topics from a lot of different angles. I enjoy hearing different viewpoints from people who live differently than I do. The point is to be respectful and open minded in the discussion.

How about this? Those who think these topics are "dead horses" can just not read them!!

Cyn said...

The two true dead horses (IMO) had threads of their OWN to discuss them ad nauseum. The mini-mart debate went on for 208 posts of differing views.

The tax discussion was completely debunked in the "fact or Fiction" post, and before that in the "December (2009) Free discussion" and before that I can't remember how many different times it kept coming up.

If after reading those very long and exhausting blogs they still want to voice a differing opinion... create their own blog.

Because frankly after reading 208 posts (mini-mart alone) they are only going to be either agreeing with some one else or repeating something some one else said slightly different just to post something.

As for it stifling the blog to declare a few topics "dead"... Sharla and her other mods have had this one blog (they have a few of these blogs) going for over 2 years and halfway through the 3rd year, I highly doubt that killing 2-5 dead horses is going to, in anyway, kill the blog itself.

Anonymous said...

"As for it stifling the blog to declare a few topics "dead"... Sharla and her other mods have had this one blog (they have a few of these blogs) going for over 2 years and halfway through the 3rd year, I highly doubt that killing 2-5 dead horses is going to, in anyway, kill the blog itself."
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No, burrying a couple dead horses won't kill the blog. I think the concern came from the possibility of topics that people were simply bored with, (engagements, pregnancies, religion, etc.)being defined as dead horses. Before we knew Sharla's intent for this thread, I think a few of us thought some of these topics would seriously be banned, which pretty much would kill the blog. But you're right, putting up a few gravestones won't hurt anybody... except the horses : )

JMO said...

JMO: without the 'dead horse' issues to discuss here, what really is there to say about the Duggars?

Despite all the rhetoric about 'encouraging' people, truth is that the Duggars polarize. Perhaps this is not entirely their fault, but it does seem to be a reality.

On one hand, you have the very conservatively religious, mostly christian, who consider the Duggar values straight from the mouth of god, and the Duggars the closest possible thing to living saints.

On the other hand, you have the non-religious or more liberal religious, who find the Duggars to be simplistic at best and phony at worst.

The net result is one faction who feels any negativity directed at the Duggars is a personal affront, and you have another faction who have no personal vendetta against the Duggars but, rather, do not at all admire the conservative mindset the Duggars portray on tv.

The issues are limited because the Duggar lifestyle and mindset is so limited. Once the 'dead horse' issues are removed, there simply is nothing more to say.

Except, perhaps, to debate what "J" name will be bestowed upon Blessing #20.

This blog is interesting BECAUSE of the debate. Remove the debate and all you have left is the Duggars as portrayed on tv, which IMO is just plain dull and boring and not at ALL 'reality'.

MommaQ said...

Celestie,

Yes they can run, and jump in the skirts fine. It's all in the cut. My girl's have never had trouble.

Kella B said...

Celestie said...

I have a question for those who know every little thing the Duggars do, say and write: Do those girls ever engage in any sports or do anything physical other than child tending, and household chores? (And of course broomball.)

How are they preparing their bodies for the work of incubating and birthing multiple children or even one child?
7/17/2010 10:08 PM

Is this a dead horse?
The girls wear skirts. They even swim in skirts. It's a religious issue, a bible directive on modesty and women not wearing men's clothes. The boys all wear long pants too. It's just what the Duggars do.

Not a Fundie said...

"People talking about the girls doing all of the work. Blah, blah, blah. Its been stated so many times already. We get it, the girls work hard, move on!"


I second this. It was one of the reasons I stopped posting and coming to the forum for a few months. The issue has been beat to death, and we will never truly know how much the girls work. So lets just talk about something else! lol

Celestie said...

Is this a dead horse?
The girls wear skirts. They even swim in skirts. It's a religious issue, a bible directive on modesty and women not wearing men's clothes. The boys all wear long pants too. It's just what the Duggars do.

Question was not about what they wear, it was about exercise. Not a dead horse yet, I hope.

But since someone brought it up, weren't polo shirts originally men's clothing?

Ally said...

I second this. It was one of the reasons I stopped posting and coming to the forum for a few months. The issue has been beat to death, and we will never truly know how much the girls work. So lets just talk about something else! lol
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I third this also. I'm not against people giving their opinions, because I wouldn't want to take away someone's right to freedom of speech, but some of the topics have been discussed to the point that they are a dead horse.

There are some topics that are meant to be on going, but things like the taxes, mini mart, the work load that the duggar elder girls have and the minor use of the word NIKE are a dead horse. In the case of the taxes, we have an answer for that, they do pay taxes. In the case of the mini mart and the use of the word NIKE, there are long threads that have discussed those very topics. As for the workload of the older girls or how much time Jim Bob and Michelle spend raising their kids, we don't definitively know, and we probably never will.

It's not that I'm against anyone having an opinion, but as someone stated in a thread above, if a new poster wants to put their opinion, they are going to end up agreeing with someone and posting a slightly different worded post that's basically saying the same thing.

I can't wait for the new episodes, so we can get some more insight into their lives, and get updated on what's been going on.

jonandkatewho? said...

I disagree with the overworking of the kids and their raising their siblings being a "dead horse" topic. I find it disgusting that those kids are being used the way they are and it also affects other areas of their lives, such as them not being able to be free to live as "normal" young adults. I feel it is exploitation as much as them being on television is.

This is a topic that naturally upsets alot of people and I don't think they should be kept from expressing their opinions about it.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the overworking of the kids and their raising their siblings being a "dead horse" topic.

Just my opinion but what makes it a dead horse is that it has been discussed over and over and people are saying the same thing over and over. If someone brought new information to the discussion rather than repeating the same ideas, that might be different.

jonandkatewho? said...

Anonymous said...
I disagree with the overworking of the kids and their raising their siblings being a "dead horse" topic.

Just my opinion but what makes it a dead horse is that it has been discussed over and over and people are saying the same thing over and over. If someone brought new information to the discussion rather than repeating the same ideas, that might be different.

7/26/2010 5:45 PM

I understand why you think it's a "dead horse". But if it is declared off limits, then nobody can bring new information or new ideas about it, can they?

I just think caution needs to be used when banning topics. Especially topics which many people agree on.

Anonymous said...

re: polo shirts;yes,Michelle says in their book she prefers the boys to wear shirts with collars on them.

ProudMrs. said...

I know that the list is already online, but I'd like to add any posting of facebook links to 'possible' Duggar family members. With the exception of Amy's page, they are all obviously FAKE!!!

Anonymous said...

Next dead horses being "lactose intolerant" and "digestive tract issues"!

Anonymous said...

Could we please put the following discussion into the "Dead Horse" category?

i.e. the recently DETAILED discussion (complete with bible quotes) as to exactly what times/days of the month JimBob & Michelle are and are not having sexual relations.

Really, people, there is such a thing as TMI (Too Much Information).

They have 19 children, I think that says it all. We get it: they have sex frequently.

I see no purpose, other than to nauseate readers, why we need to have a detailed discussion.

Cyn said...

I see no purpose, other than to nauseate readers, why we need to have a detailed discussion.
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Only reason I brought it up is because people kept saying/implying that 1) they didn't use natural family planning and 2) Michelle had no option... I did let several of them just go on past (this month and months previous).

As for the bible verses... it's what the Duggars base their lives on, I keep them out of 99% of my posts (other wise Sharla won't let em through LOL) but the ones in the last post I did came with the information.

I'd love to bury this one, but people bring it up every time they think Michelle is preggars again.