Tuesday, August 17, Duggar Want a Cracker?

It's no secret that the Duggar and Bates families find sanctuary in each other's company! But they take it a step further when the two families visit a parrot sanctuary in Pigeon Forge.

30 minutes

87 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow. And things like this are why I stopped watching the show.

A parrot farm?! REALLY? This is the best they can come up with?

Anonymous said...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.
Am guessing the parrots will be more articulate than Jim Bob (that would not require much of a stretch for the birds).

"Hey, Guys...."

Cyn said...

LOL I hope it's done better than the one Dolly does in her Dollywood exhibit.

jonandkatewho? said...

Sounds like a total snooze-fest to me ... won't be watching as the show puts me to sleep. Sometimes I way way way later on youtube but not always.

I'm just not impressed by this family. And TLC? Same blueprint for all shows about multiples or large families, I guess. Pack up and go on a trip, ho hum, oh well....

Anonymous said...

I hope JimBob doesn't attempt to teach the parrots any bible verses, he can't even get them correct himself.

Anonymous said...

Seriously? Who wants to watch this family get on the bus for yet another inane, idiotic trip? A parrot farm? Is this a new low, or what?

Anonymous said...

A pigeon sanctuary? Really? How many more animal farms can they possibly go to?

We already know how this will play out:

Duggars big silver bus pulls up to Bates house.

Joyful reunion between the two sets of parents, while the teenage children stand around looking awkward.

They load up the hordes, while we cut to a seque of Michelle talking about how important "educational" field trips are for the kids.

They arrive, and Michelle and JB smooch and hold hands while the older girls struggle with strollers and toddlers.

JB lectures on pigeons and says something idiotic like they originated in the Amazon or they were the first members of the reptile family.

Some inane little blurb pops up that says if all pigeons had as many babies as the Duggars there would be forty million trillion pigeons in the world.

Jennifer freaks out and throws a tantrum over something. Little boys are spastic and squirmy. Older girls are bored as heck and looking like they'd rather stick a fork in their eye than be where they are.

The day ends with JB telling the cameras how much fun everyone had.

Celestie said...

Will we get to watch one of the kids get car sick again?
Will JB try to explain that birds are just like the bugs they saw last season, only with feathers.
"look Johanna, their feathers are different colors"

Boys running around, older girls looking bored, little girls bewildered. And so it goes

Anonymous said...

I'm just glad we get to see the Bates family again!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
They arrive, and Michelle and JB smooch and hold hands while the older girls struggle with strollers and toddlers.
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Some inane little blurb pops up that says if all pigeons had as many babies as the Duggars there would be forty million trillion pigeons in the world.
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LOL! I have a feeling most of your predictions will be proven correct.

So they've been to that strange animal sanctuary near their home, where they laughed and threw bagels at the animals; then they went to a little zoo in Little Rock, now a parrot farm. What next, they visit their local pound and mourn the fact that people often interfere with God's will by getting their dogs fixed?

mythoughtis said...

given that the Duggars do not participate in what many of us do... organized sports (other than broomball), organized theatre (the Noahs Ark play being an exception), trips to waterparks (that would be a sight to behold), limited movie choices, etc...
it makes it diffucult to now show the same small child friendly events over and over.

And, given that they seem to be attempting to arrange a Bates-Duggar marriage of some sort (not sure the kids are co-operating here), we will see the Bates over and over again.

What happened to the Duggars going back to their own homse, relaxing somewhat, bringing Josie home, settling back into a homeschool routine, with the kids getting to sleep in their own beds, and have some structure?

maynardsmom said...

The TLC shows have the same format. Many trips, many kids, I can do that without all the luggage and foolishness. I read the forums but don"t watch the shows. Too swarmy. I wonder how long this will go on? Scripted fairy tale stuff. I hope they find the money is worth it 10 years or so down the road. There is nothing special about any of these people. They do what they do for the cash.

Anonymous said...

I'd rather watch the kids in a broomball tournament than another inane fieldtrip to an animal park. At least that's the kids DOING something.

TLC needs a new reality show "script writer" for their mega-families. It was boring on the J&Kplus8 show and it's dull here. Maybe they should try doing a survivor type thing with the family split into 3 tribes on some island in the Pacific? My money is on Johannah for the win.

Anonymous said...

@Maynard'sMom: Bingo, we have a winner! I completely agree with your assessment. All 'reality' families do it for the bucks. The Duggars merely attempt to corner the religious angle by claiming they do their show to (ahem)glorify God and 'encourage' others.

Absolutely correct: all these stupid shows are fairytale fluff and not at all the 'reality' they claim to be.

People that I'd choose as friends would have zero interest in exposing their family on any inane 'reality' show for any reason, for any amount of $.

IMO, a parental willingness to showcase their entire family on a tacky 'reality' program speaks VOLUMES about those parents. Blech.

Anonymous said...

I hope Josie isnt taken along.

It sounds boring, but at least we wont have to see a car lot plug in.

I hope JB does starting talking about the birds and the bees and annouce 20 :).

Anonymous said...

I hope they show a lot of Jackson Bates, I like that little kid:) Bates kids are not little robots like the duggars.. The bates are more "isolated" but the duggars are more ignorant.. Sorry but true..

Anonymous said...

I hope please there is no Cousin Amy this week.. And, Joshie's stupid comments. (and anna looking At him hlaf the time "he is a King" and the other half "shut your face Josh" lol.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I wonder if the Bates will somehow show more of their house finished or at least talk about it. In any case it will be nice to see them again.

Suzie said...

They taped this back in June when the Duggars (sans Michelle, Josie and the older twins) attended the ATI conference in Nashville.

A bunch of us were warned on TWOP yesterday about talking of Zack Bateses' recent election. I brought up that tonight's episode would feature the Bates family and his pending election might be mentioned as a counterpoint to all these inane trips.

IIRC, at the time of this filming, the house STILL wasn't finished (they've had over two months to finish since then, but it also sounds as if there was a lot of door knocking with cute Bates kids on Zack's behalf for the election). Don't recall where I read it, but there you go. The Duggars are excellent at starting huge projects, but not following them through to the end.

I would die laughing if JB said something REALLY dumb like, "Look kids, there's a parrot. Humans did not evolve from parrots."

Given the incubation time for chicken pox and the fact that the kids didn't have in GA (yet), it looks like they picked up the bug at the ATI gathering, which has to be a breeding ground for this kind of thing.

Celestie said...

I hope they show a lot of Jackson Bates, I like that little kid:) Bates kids are not little robots like the duggars..

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I think it is time to discuss the flock, gang, herd of middle boys. Me, I can't tell one from another, except James, he looks a little different. They are all bright eyed, cute, inarticulate for the most part, and very active, as little boys should be.
What I am not seeing, is any particular personality differences or interests among them. They all seem to be cut out of one mold. I have two boys, whose individual interests are very much in evidence at ages 3 and 6.
Is one interested in building things? Is one interested in reading, or how about exploring, or writing or looking at trees, or watching plants grow or seeing how mechanical things work.. We have no idea what these kids are about. Other than staring at a computer for most of the day, and putting their pjs away for a chore, we don't know much about them. What say you?

Anonymous said...

Was just searching YouTube for new Duggar vids and saw these... pics taken during the taping of tonight's episode. Mrs. Bates is pregnant again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ns4II4Fgvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_XmXtvkkZ8

Anonymous said...

Anon said:
Was just searching YouTube for new Duggar vids and saw these... pics taken during the taping of tonight's episode. Mrs. Bates is pregnant again.
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Oh dear. I fear a very tragic ending.

shawna said...

"Mrs. Bates is pregnant again."

Then I expect Michelle to be getting pregnant again soon. I always had a weird feeling that the Duggars always wanted to be "ahead" of the Bates in the baby department. Jim Bob always made a point to say something like, "the Bates have 16 kids but WE have 17." Maybe I'm imagining things, but I always felt it was a competition, even if very subtle.

Having lots of children is fine with me if you can handle it, but at this point, Jim Bob and Michelle can not handle it. Not without the older girls. And in my opinion, things are slipping even WITH 4 older girls in the house. (plus grandma Duggar!) It's just absolutely out of control now.

One last little rant. Michelle complaining in the People article about the fact that viewers comments are hurting her feelings. She said something like "I am living this life right now. I am not beyond it." That's right Michelle. Go live your life.. privately. Get off TV, out of the magazines, quit writing books, and quit begging for attention when you aren't liking the feedback from all of the attention. They absolutely have the choice to be IN the limelight or OUT of it, but they choose to be IN it. And they are basking in it. And making lots of money doing it.

They have shared their beliefs about birth control and the Bible quite enough. Everyone knows what they believe at this point. To me, there is no reason for them to continue being in the media. Oh, except for money and fame.

no1 said...

Regarding the chicken pox outbreak: does anyone know if the Duggers refuse to vaccinate their children?

Anonymous said...

I'm the one who posted the YouTube vids - this would be Baby Bates #18, right? I thinks she fell behind when she unfortunately had a miscarriage and then Josie was so early. So Jim Bob can rest assured that he's still ahead of Gil for now. :)

iamateacher said...

Apparently they kids did not get the chick pox vaccine. As a school teacher you do not hear about kids getting chicken pox anymore. It has been almost 20 years since one of my students had it. Something is strange here....and no Duggar ever got it before now?

mythoughtis said...

one reason that none of the 12 Duggars that got the chickenpox may not have gotten it before is that they were pretty much isolated (home school, home church, no organized sports, etc) until TLC came along. Most kids that get it are exposed in school, at camp, etc.
Now, since they seem to have come down with it after the ATI conference, the film set, and the Bates trip... does this mean the Bates came down with it after the Duggars did? I think the exposure time is about 2 weeks.

Suzie said...

Oh dear, that was painful. And the Bateses' place STILL wasn't finished when they taped in June.

Love the way JB intentionally juggled the schedule: they were already in Tennessee at the ATI conference in Nashville, went to the Bateses' place, THEN jogged down to GA for the filming, after which they hit Chick-fil-A in the ATL on their way home.

I guess they can't show how often they go to the conferences because that would give back all the ground they've given to make themselves appear more mainstream (ie. modern-modest, I-phones, etc).

The bird pooping on JB's head would have provided some much-needed interest in this episode. I'm also convinced they taped all the Michelle/Josie footage the same day; they're both wearing the same outfits and they recycled the diaper changing bit at least 3 times between last week and tonight and the temperature-taking yet again as well.

Or Michelle and Josie have a closet full of identical green shirts and pink/green onesies.

Also noticed there was no Zack or Michaela Bates (I think they were off in West Virginia at the time with members of another high-profile "like-minded" family), but Josh and Anna were there to pick up their paychecks.

Wouldn't it be nice to be 22, own two car lots and never have to actually work at them? Pretty sweet (until the TLC money train stops, at any rate).

Suzie said...

I think I FTM in my previous post that Chez Bates was indeed not finished when they filmed this episode. And I already saw loss of paint low on the walls (consistent with toy trucks or trike damage) in the room with the hot pink walls. Given the room (or at least that wall space) wasn't furnished or finished, they might want to consider a more neutral paint color that doesn't show the damaged wall so readily. I'm sure the church can pony up a few bucks for a couple cans of paint to re-do that particular wall.

MamaWama said...

I think it is really sad that Michelle has read any negative comments. She is such a truly sweet person. She would never say rude things about another person no matter how much she disagreed with them. She would find something nice and kind to say. It's sad that people have to try to pick her life apart to find something wrong. C'mon, this family is about as perfect as it gets! If I could raise kids as well as they do, I would have 20 too!

Steve knight said...

if the duggers are the perfect family please shoot me life really sucks and we are all doomed.

Celestie said...

The Bates are another attractive hill billy family that is profiting by having lots of kids. According to their blog most of the materials and labor was donated to the house building project. They aren't self sustaining for that large group of kids, but depending on others to make it through the day.
I too worry Jim bob is going to question and maybe resent Josie, for slowing Michelle down. What would happen if she becomes so stressed that Mrs. Bates leaps over her in the baby number game. Woe!

Jana fan said...

If Michelle did not want negative publicity or people disagreeing with her, it would be very easy to end that. Simply get your family off TV and off the cover of People magazine, and no one will give a hoot what you do.

Cry me a river, Michelle. Your viewing public realizes, even if you don't, that you can't possibly divide your time between 19 children. This is why your three daughters before Josie never cry for you, reach out for you, or ask for you. They have never been mothered by you, except in utero and under the breastfeeding tent.

Your mass of little boys have all blended into one child. You don't know the difference between them and neither do we.

As long as money from the show is more important than privacy, Michelle will get plenty of negative commentary on blogs like this. But since the family has free will and a choice, they could end that immediately. They choose money though, so I can't feel sorry in the slightest for the fact that Michelle's feelings are hurt by what she reads.

Anonymous said...

I can't take it anymore. Michelle Duggar a celebrity and as such should get used to hearing bad things about herself.

Perfect? Pshawwww. She talks like a 15 year old with her first boyfriend in baby talk. She risks leaving her children without a mother in order to have another. She trains her daughters to think they are subservient to men (wow, how many years of progress did that erase). And most of all she put her family on reality TV. That's the biggest strike of all. If more people were like here we'd all end up illiterate, with bad perms, wearing crap clothes, having more children then the planet can support, women would lose the right to vote within a generation and a generation and progress in science and technology would screech to halt with the brilliant teaching methods that the Duggars have shown on their teleivison show. Puh-lease, perfect?

Anonymous said...

When you put your family in the public eye you have to take the good with the bad. We don't know what Jim Bob and Michelle really say about people in their private moments. They may not be that sweet all the time.

I actually think Michelle has been pretending to be sweet for so long she doesn't know how not to. I could not believe how last week when she was talking to Jim Bob that she said I Love You like she was talking to one of her babies. I couldn't believe that a grown woman would baby talk to her husband like she did. They hardly perfect or even close to it in my book.

I thought it was interesting how Gil told the kids that he normally wouldn't tell them this but they could order whatever they wanted. Hmmm could it be because he wasn't paying for it and either TLC was or it was free from the restaurant.

Tammy C said...

Show was lots of hodge podge but in a way good.I don't think any of us could handle Michelle talking about being at home by herself while everyone is gone.Showing a little of the mission trip was good.Maybe there wasn't alot filmed so we can assume Jana and John David actually were without cameras watching their every move.And I bet if the whole show was about the Bates trip then we all would have screamed!

Reality TV Junkie said...

"Or Michelle and Josie have a closet full of identical green shirts and pink/green onesies."
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That would be kind of funny, but in all seriousness, I do see her wear the green shirt a heck of a lot. Maybe she does have more than one?

Anonymous said...

Zack Bateses' election? What did he run for? Does anyone know about this?

bonehead said...

Well, watched it. Yeah, it was boring.The parts with Michelle, were laughable. Last episode, she talked about how lonely it was to be by herself, then this episode it is wonderful to be by myself. Michelle you either like being alone or you do not, you can't have both. Course, this could be a good thing, and eye opener for Michelle, that perhaps she just might appreciate her older children more than she does. I also was bugged by the comments that Jessa and Jinger made that when both parents are not there the place does not run well. Come on, that sounded staged. Those girls run the house hold, been doing it for years. As, for Jana & Johndavid, boy they are shelter brainwashed. All the others in their group(including Annas' sister) got wet, except them, they were even booed at by the others. They are half adventurous and half scarced to try something off the wall. And some of the others were from, their dress, from other religions and countries. It was nice to see them let a little loose, when they showed the whole group partying. I also notice that whole thing about them going, in the first place, they kept changing the story. First it was Janas' idea, then it was Janas' idea, and that their parent wanted John-david to go with, then it was Janas' idea and that John-david wanted to go with, then on this episode it was Jana & John-david both came to their parents and asked/or wanted to go on this trip. So, Jimbob and Michelle, which story is correct? And one more thing that bugged me, was the fact that if the Bates have gone to this Bird place before, and the owners/guides, know about birds, why did they not tell the sound guy that the thing on the mic , might spook the birds. I have birds and I know that if anything with fur, higher than their cages, they freak out. So why did they not warn them or was this staged and they did know? JMO

Anonymous said...

"....C'mon, this family is about as perfect as it gets! "

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The younger Duggars are NOT that well-behaved. Episode after episode shows the younger boys hitting, throwing, stomping on a sibling's back.

If that is close to perfect what do you call families where that isn't tolerated?

People talk about the Dumbing-Down-of-America....let's talk about the Duggaring-Down-of-America. JimBob can't even make an articulate sentence.

These inane field trips, with the Bates family or not, are not "reality".

Suzie said...

The Duggars themselves say they are "far from perfect." The problem appears to come from megafans of anyone, be it the Duggars or Justin Bieber, who believe the person(s) can do no wrong. That is a)untrue and b)unrealistic. The Duggars are followers of a movement that is legalistic and is considered extreme for most mainstream Christian families, even a family like the Tebows, who sent their son to a heathen university for an education, trusting him to stay strong in his faith AND succeed in the secular world (the kid appears to be doing both and their family is on the far end of the "mainstream" spectrum). The difference between the Tebows and the Duggars/Bates is that they DON'T believe such child-rearing can be done; their children have to be watched at at all times lest they fall to temptation. That's not perfect at all, that's smothering. I don't agree with a lot of the Tebow's practices, but I do commend them on letting their children forge into the adult world and learn new experiences without someone always peeking over their shoulder to make sure they're not sinning.

As for the video of Chez Bates: A Courtin' Booth? Please tell me they're kidding...then again, there is that little gingerbread house seen off to the side of the road and a suspicious ring on Michaela's ring finger spotted in the last couple of months (not to mention Erin, who is also of "marriageable" age). I guess there's really nowhere close to go on a "date" around their place, so you have your "date" there, well-chaperoned. Sad, really.

Back to the episode, yet another one where the older kids (Jinger upward) were probably bored out of their skulls once the novelty of the pretty birds wore off.

Anonymous said...

MamaWama I could not agree more! It was like I was reading my own words on your post. I was in line at the grocery store yesterday and the guy with a very unruly child was in line behind me and noticed the People magazine and started going on rudely about how it was ridiculous about having so many kids and someone should put a stop to them. All the while HIS kid behind him was opening and slamming the drink cooler, putting his hands all over the candy bars, messing up the "last minute shelf" they try to tempt you with. I calmly said that I thought they should have 20 more. He said that would be 40 kids!! I said actually iy would only be 39 but I would take 39 kids that behave like theirs over one that doesn't any day. Yes they let the young ones "run off their energy" but I betcha their TLC salary that every one of these kids turn out great. And jim Bob looked rough looking for his clothes which goes to prove by the same speculation that people criticize this family functions well together and Michelle doesn't sit on her bum and let the older girls do everything. This guy was lost without her and I think its the sweetest form of showing their love and devotion to each other. Even the girls said it in an interview that their parents are perfect complements to each other. I sure hope my kids say that about my husband and I when they get older.

Cyn said...

Yes it is the oldest Bates child, and yes Anderson county elected him for county commissioner. Would have brought it up sooner had I known it was going to be on TLC. (I saw the signs every time I went to TN, my mother lives in Anderson County)

http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detail/anderson-county-commissioner-elect-zach-bates/

http://www.hometownclinton.com/

anonymous said...

"if the duggers are the perfect family please shoot me life really sucks and we are all doomed.

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LOL, this is my sentiment exactly! Also agree with the other poster who described the Bates as 'another hillbilly family with alot of kids'. Yegods, our country left to these people and democracy, natural resources, common sense and real education would be but a memory.

As for Michelle allegedly being so hurt over criticism of her family, why is she so special? The decision to put one's family on display before a tv viewing audience is an invitation for critique, so what else was Michelle Duggar expecting? Are the Duggars so arrogant as to have assumed we'd all be amazed at their 'encouragement' and want to emulate them? Talk about out of touch with reality. If Michelle Duggar doesn't like the criticism, the solution is the same for anyone else who seeks a very public life: pull the plug and get your family OFF tv. Doesn't take a college degree to figure that one out.

As for the Duggar kids turning out to be 'wonderful'. So far, I remain unimpressed. First, there's Josh. Second, the Duggars supposedly 'graduate' at 16, yet even into 20, the older girls are doing nothing outside the home. And grown women 'living at home so daddy can protect them as they wait for their prince charming'..... Adult children like this fall far short of 'wonderful' in my estimation.

Anonymous said...

With this many kids you would think there would be more organized activities to keep the kids occupies. Imagine a school with 19 kids, sliding down stairs, stepping on one another etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong but....
I never see these kids sitting down and coloring or playing a board game (I guess dice are a "NO-NO"?)Are they allowed to read books other than Christian ones? Would they be allowed or encouraged to go to the library and look up books on snakes or horses etc? I'm guessing no.

They have nothing to occupy their time other than chores and however few hours a day of homeschooling.

I would go crazy just letting the kids run back and forth. That's not to say that kids shouldn't have plenty of physical play.

anonymous said...

"People talk about the Dumbing-Down-of-America....let's talk about the Duggaring-Down-of-America. JimBob can't even make an articulate sentence."

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Well said.

Imagine a world of Duggars and Bates. Except there'd be no Dr. Sarver to deliver the uptytwojillionth 'blessing' and no female physicians to pull micropreemies through. Perhaps a lone male or two might sneak thru the cracks to complete his M.D., but women could just hang it up when it comes to such lofty career dreams as physician, engineer, scientist. Gotta be home birthin' them babies to make the Patriarch feel important.

Duggaring Down - well said.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Just because someone receives a blessing like the Bates did when the Duggars and many friends came to help them enlarge their family home does not mean they are depending on others to get through the day as one poster so stated. It just shows that sometimes a family is blessed by gifts of others and their labor.

The same poster mentioned about the number game and how having Josie slow them down as if they were in some type of contest. While others view it that way that is not the basis for the size of this family. The basis is that they do not use any type of birth control and trust God for the family size. If they have less children because of the issues with Josie so be it, they will accept that as God's plan providing they are not using birth control. They never said it was a number game it was just accepting Children as a gift from God.

Ellie said...

This is the 2nd show in a row where Michelle has seemed surprised at what babies do all day. ("They coo, they eat, they sleep...") Why is this such a revelation to her? The reason is because once the babies come home from the hospital, they're in the bouncy seat, with an older sister, or under the tent (love that phrasing.) I'm actually happy for little Josie that she gets this one-on-one time with her mother... I'm sure she's the first Duggar baby in MANY years to do so.

Anonymous said...

MamaWama said...
"I think it is really sad that Michelle has read any negative comments. She is such a truly sweet person. She would never say rude things about another person no matter how much she disagreed with them. She would find something nice and kind to say. It's sad that people have to try to pick her life apart to find something wrong. C'mon, this family is about as perfect as it gets! If I could raise kids as well as they do, I would have 20 too!"

Just because she says things in her uber-sweet baby voice, doesn't mean they aren't rude, or critical of choices others make. I think it is rude for anyone to hold their belief system up as above reproach, and that anyone not subscribing to similar beliefs should be shunned. I think it is rude to cast judgment on others who have the right to believe in whatever god, or lack of gods, they chose, regardless of whether it agrees with your own beliefs. I think it is rude to stifle the mental and emotional growth of your own children, and then hold them up as somehow superior to the lowly heathens who actually dare to educate their children, or who allow their children to come to their own conclusions on matters of faith. I think it is rude for Michelle to protest the rights of a private business owner to sell a legal product, just because she doesn't believe in it.

And, I don't see anything "perfect" about parents who are so insecure in their own parenting that they refuse to allow their children to venture beyond the gates of their private compound, to learn about love, or life, or science, or medicine, or law, or even to drift aimlessly throught their early 20s searching for their inner peace.

Ponchie said...

I enjoyed seeing footage of the trip to Malaysia. But I was really impressed by that girl in that blue dress! She looked like she was having the time of her life. She rode on the elephant and went in the water and everything in that dress and head covering! Also loved the jeering for John-David not going in the water. Get over it already! THIS is what a once-in-a-lifetime experience is! Sorry John-David, when a super-fundie girl in a nun-habit is heckling you for being a stiff, something is seriously off.

On a similar note, I remember in previous episodes, talking about the missions trip, Michelle and Jim Bob were saying that it is such a dangerous part of the world, that's why they both had to go. Jim Bob instructed John-David to watch over her and "been nice knowing ya" and similar stuff. Then they went to Singapore? Kuala Lumpur? Seriously? Not to say that these areas don't have their issues, but the way it was talked about I was expecting something a little more dangerous. Like maybe missioning to prisoners at La Sabaneta.

Anonymous said...

I have seen very recently, a documentary about the lack of toilets that most of the world endures. The majority of India's population, for example, will not defacate indoors for religious and infrastructure reasons. Millions of people, particularly in Asia, defacate routinely into rivers, and it is not an unreasonable assumption that there was human waste in that water. People are dying daily from cholera, typhoid, and hepatitis from using water that others have used for their bodily functions.
So, I cannot blame Jana and John David for fearing the water-they're right, it's dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I think our definitions for turning out wonderful are much different. Honest, forthright, willing to help others, friendly, loving, etc.. I consider that great. I don't consider amount of education and how much $$ per year someone makes. Because there is way more to life than money. I would much rather have Josh Duggar as a neighbor than a high powered attorney with four degrees and drives a Mercedes that is married but runs around on his wife and has a gambling problem. OR an UNeducated one that does the same or even the attorney or doctor that doesn't run around on his wife but snobs you when he sees you in passing because he thinks he turned out "better" than me. No thanks, give me one of the Duggar children as neighbors.

Anonymous said...

This is my first time commenting, but I routinely visit after a Duggar episode.
I have noticed some people commenting about the fact that the children "graduate" at 16 and the girls live at home until they are married. I'm not sure how many know this, but that is EXACTLY the Amish tradition. Amish teenagers stop schooling at 8th grade, and then the girls work at home cooking, cleaning, and caring for siblings until they marry. And before they marry, they "court".. with no lip kissing until their wedding night.
The boys work on their father's farms until they marry and then they inherit the land.
The women are also taught to be submissive and that the man "rules" the household.
While I understand that the Duggars are NOT Amish, why is it so controversial for them to live this way when the Amish are (for the most part) well respected for their beliefs and traditions?
And I'm not talking about the fact that they are being "filmed and showing us they're lives, so we can judge if we want". I'm merely talking about their beliefs on how to raise children and gender roles.

Celestie said...

JimBob can't even make an articulate sentence.
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I counted six, count them, 6, grammatical errors in one of Michelle's sentences. She and others like her are educating a generation.
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Back to the program, the Duggars are a very squeamish family. Jana and John missed an incredible opportunity to swim with one of nature's most magnificent animals, elephants, because the water was dirty. Did the rest of the group come down with a vicious disease after the adventure? Some of the countries in South East Asia do not practice the same hygiene as we do, but people live there, people travel there and do just fine. There are showers and soap there, I know that for a fact.
Jim Bob seems to set the bar on squeamishness. He seems afraid of birds, bugs, ostriches, other living creatures. He appears to be a fearful person, and has passed on that to his kids. He has taught his children to afraid of the world, to view it and its creatures as "dangerous."

Why is Michelle so happy to be alone with the baby? With Jana gone, she might have had to step up, if nothing else to keep track of Jim Bob's socks.

Anonymous said...

One surefire way to receive lots of scrutiny and criticism is to hold yourself up as "mother of the year" and more perfect than Mary Poppins. First of all, no one is perfect.

Second, when you sell your private life off to the highest bidder and everyone watching can very well see that you have pawned off the child-rearing, house-cleaning, cooking, laundry and all other responsibilities to your oldest daughters -- it won't sit well with most of the viewing public. You see, most of us moms take our jobs pretty seriously and don't pass them off to our 16 and 17 year old daughters, so we can go make kissy face with our husband on tv.

If you can't take the heat, get off the tv Michelle, and try resuming full responsibilities as a mother to your 18 kids still living at home. Give those girls a break for heaven's sake.

anonymous said...

" I would much rather have Josh Duggar as a neighbor than a high powered attorney with four degrees and drives a Mercedes that is married but runs around on his wife and has a gambling problem"
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Why would you assume it's an either/or situation?

Not all in a higher socioeconomic class with a high level of education are adulterous gamblers.

Similarly, not all religious folk (including some well know televangelists) live the sinless lives they proclaim.

It's great to have the ethical standards you seem to see in the Duggars, but, contrary to the apparent Duggar belief about the bigger world being full of sin, IMO the majority of people are well intentioned and work hard to lead very moral lives, even those who are nonreligious.

To assume education and wealth = lower moral standards AND the corollary that those who blather on endlessly about religion are actually morally superior to less (or non) religious people is contrary to logic and reality.

IF the Duggars are all that ethical, then I wish they'd start spending a little more effort raising the bar on critical thinking skills and education if not for the parents, then at least for their kids. Raising religious kids is great, if that's what you want to do, but there is no reason to stop there - kids can be raised to be ethical AND work toward fulfilling their full potential, including higher level education and using that education to contribute to the world.

anonymous said...

The reason we do not discuss the Amish is because this is a blog specifically about the Duggars, so our only latitude to discuss the fundamentalist lifestyle, including courting, grown daughters living at home until Mr. Right finds them is to discuss it in a Duggar-specific context.

Reality TV Junkie said...

"..a suspicious ring on Michaela's ring finger spotted in the last couple of months..."
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I'm pretty sure that that was a purity ring. If it was an engagement, the Duggars would have announced it to the world.

Allison said...

I agree with Anonymous at 8:35 p.m. There are many conservative cultures in the world (Orthodox and Hasidic Jews and even non-extremist Muslims) who require certain behavior of both men and women, modest dress, living at home until married, no close contact or alone time with the opposite sex. I'm not saying it's something we all want, but this is *not* new or unique to the Duggars. There are plenty of other Christian communities that practice similar ways of being as well, not just the Duggar family or "large" families.

While I'm not sure that Michelle is able to spend as much time with her children as she wants, I do think that when filming is going on and she needs to "explain" things, that it probably appears differently than when the cameras aren't around. But we don't know, because it isn't being filmed.

Anonymous said...

I don't think I'd like living next door to Josh Duggar. From what I remember, he put up huge political signs in his front yard during the recent election season. They also never show him doing any yard work or other maintenance around the house - I wonder if the yard looks unkempt and sorry? Besides, he'd probably always be trying to sell you one of his clunkers.

However, at least you would be grateful they only had one child, instead of a passel of them. And he and Anna do seem to give plenty of attention to Mackynzee.

Personally, it's none of my business what faith (if any) my neighbors follow, nor is it their business about mine. If someone wants to make judgments about me because I have a college degree, work in a profession I studied hard for, and drive a nice car - that's their choice, not mine.

Ponchie said...

In regards to the possible water contamination issue, I wrote to the Elephant Sanctuary and here is their reply:

"Hi there...
The river's fine...there's no human habitat upstream...the colour's due to sand - we created a small dam downstream to trap sand as that part where we run water activities with elephants used to be deep.
I do a water therapy session on a recovering injured smallish elephant everytime I bring visitors there.... and so far, none of my visitors have fallen sick...and Ive been bringing visitors there since 1995 - the first person to lead outsiders there!!!"

It's such a crying shame that Jana and John-David would pass up an opportunity like this. So many of us, myself included, would have given a lot to have had such an experience. Such distrust of the world is just sad. Well, I'm glad at least one of the crew got to do have such a wonderful experience.

Celestie said...

They also never show him doing any yard work or other maintenance around the house - I wonder if the yard looks unkempt and sorry?

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I agree, I would not like to have any of them live in my neighborhood. It is not snobby, to want your surroundings to look nice. In my neighborhood, we work hard to keep the grass growing and mowed, seasonal flowers blooming and bushes and trees trimmed. As a rule, my neighbors do not have gardeners, we do it ourselves.

The Duggars have no pretty landscaping around their homes. It looks sort of barren. We all know they have plenty of kids to do the work, if they wanted to.
Even pots of seasonal flowers would help.

And all those cars, buses, SUVs parked around. Sheese.

Jen said...

"I thought it was interesting how Gil told the kids that he normally wouldn't tell them this but they could order whatever they wanted."
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I thought it was funny that Kelly had to explain to the children what Gil meant saying, " Did you hear that? Dad said you could have real drinks not just water."

Jen said...

"..a suspicious ring on Michaela's ring finger spotted in the last couple of months..."
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I'm pretty sure that that was a purity ring. If it was an engagement, the Duggars would have announced it to the world.

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Considering that Michaela is a Bates it wouldn't be the Duggar's place to announce it to the world unless she was engaged to a Duggar.

Pictures on the net show the ring having a stone in it. I believe that purity rings are plain bands in the Duggar world.

Tammy C said...

I got the feeling that maybe the meal was paid for by TLC.The pop up said it cost about $400 for the meal to feed both families.Otherwise why would the Bates family eat differently.

Anonymous said...

@Jen: Kelly said that? I missed that part of the episode. How sad these poor kids can't even order a Coke when they normally go to a restaurant if they ever do. But growing up in a huge family is just sooooo much fun. Yeah right.

In regards to Jana and John not going in the water, I don't blame them one bit. Those rivers are basically open sewers. Swimming with an elephant is not worth exposing yourself to a filthy cesspool.

I do agree with an above poster who mentioned a subtle competition between the Bates and the Duggars in regards to outdoing each other in the numbers department. It's hard to put into words but there definitely is an undercurrent of that whenever the parents interact with each other.

mythoughtis said...

The Bates have only 1 source of income... their tree trimming business. They don't get a check from TLC (on a regular basis.. I bet they do get paid when they are on, or at least their expenses reimbursed). It's a sure bet that TLC paid for their dinner here... and I bet TLC told them to be sure and order whatever they wanted.
I think the Bates monitor their money... drinks for 20 adds up to money that would pay for several meals. I often order water these days myself.
And, if you notice, the Bates men and older boys all wear suits to church... those are not cheap. So I think they cut costs when they can. And, I respect them for being honest about it... so as not to 'defraud' viewers.

MamaWama said...

I can't blame them for not getting in the river. I won't even get in the lazy river at the water park. icky. Have you seen elephant poo? That is some big poo!
How much is a coke at a restaurant $2.50? You can buy a 12 pack to drink at home for that price. I usually order water. I don't think having kids order water makes them think that it is awful to grow up in a large family. Having a soda at a restaurant would be better than a brother to play with your whole life?

Anonymous said...

The best part of this episode was Jim Bob waking up in the morning with his hair and clothes all rumpled and being unable to find his clothes. Have we ever seen Jim Bob looking so unkempt before?

I also don't blame Jana and John David for not getting into nasty looking water in a foreign country. I doubt they had the full knowledge of how contaminated/clean the water was. You absolutely can pick up nasty diseases from swimming in water like that, even if you do scrub down good with soap and water after.

Anonymous said...

A grown man who can't locate his own clothing?

Some leader.
Some Patriarch.

Women of this mindset surely hold men to a low set of standards. Are their men really this dumb and/or helpless?

Pathetic for a father of 19 kids. No excuse for this.

Ponchie said...

I'm surprised that even after hearing from the Elephant Park itself and knowing that no one has ever gotten sick there, it is still called a cesspool or open sewer. I also read tourist blogs from real, impartial visitors who also convinced me of nothing wrong with the water. Some said in fact that the showers were more dodgy than the river. Oh well, more room for us! I can see Johanna and maybe even Joyanna hopping in double quick! And of course, Cousin Amy. That would be fun, count me in. Woohoo! :)

Jana fan said...

I'm no Duggar lover, but I wouldn't have gotten in that water either. The only difference is that I would not have sounded as condescending as Jana or JD about my reason for not going on the elephant. I wouldn't tell anyone aloud that I thought the water was dirty, and especially not with a curled up nose.

One can decline something politely, without seeming so superior.

pumpkin said...

I've lived in Southeast Asia and there is no way I would EVER have gone in that river. I salute Jana and John David for caring about their health.

There is a big difference between rivers in the US and rivers in Southeast Asia and I can tell you I would not wish dysentary on ANYbody.

I lived in Southeast Asia for 9 months about 10 years ago. I have had to undergo surgeries and disgusting tests to get my digestive system back to normal and I'm still suffering.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Not exactly a Duggar fan but I give kudos to Jana/John David for sticking to their guns and not succumb to the pressure of their piers. That water looked plain nasty.

Anonymous said...

A grown man who can't locate his own clothing?

Some leader.
Some Patriarch.

Women of this mindset surely hold men to a low set of standards. Are their men really this dumb and/or helpless?

Pathetic for a father of 19 kids. No excuse for this.
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Come on, I wouldn't go that extreme. He misplaced something. Haven't we all done that before?

MamaWama said...

I got the impression that one of the older boys had taken JimBob's stuff upstairs when he took his own clothes up. When kids are dragging your clothes off, what can you do?

mythoughtis said...

I'm not a big fan of Mr. Duggar, but when you have that many kids unloading the vehicle, it's hard to say where one bag might end up.

Think about it... ever moved anything with help from a friend, etc? Nothing ends up where you think it will.

It is surprising though that he didn't lay claim to his own bag in the first place. that is really the only way to do it and find things. each older child should be in charge of their bags and their buddy' bag. Jim Bob's should be left in the storage compartment for him to deal with.

AmyKB said...

Not gonna lie, I'm a little surprised that JimBob can iron, haha.
Thank goodness that child didn't open up that power tool box!!
You know, I kinda wonder if Priscilla also went because Jana is unmarried... JohnDavid can only keep an eye on her in co-ed situations. She and Priscilla can chaperone one another at pretty much all times.
I also wonder if there's a camera crew there the whole time or what...

Anonymous said...

"I'm no Duggar lover, but I wouldn't have gotten in that water either. The only difference is that I would not have sounded as condescending as Jana or JD about my reason for not going on the elephant. I wouldn't tell anyone aloud that I thought the water was dirty, and especially not with a curled up nose."

Huh, I didn't see any of that. I just remember Jana calmly stating that she wasn't going to go in the water, because it was dirty, which it was. She was just stating the facts. Jana is so gentle and soft-spoken and nice, I doubt she comes off as "superior" to others.

Anonymous said...

"Huh, I didn't see any of that. I just remember Jana calmly stating that she wasn't going to go in the water, because it was dirty, which it was. She was just stating the facts. Jana is so gentle and soft-spoken and nice, I doubt she comes off as "superior" to others."

From what we were shown, at least, Jana seemed to be polite about it, but John-David on the other hand . . . he was shown saying into the camera regarding everyone else who went into the water, (paraphrased) "Later, they'll all get sick, and then they'll be sorry." Not only was that not nice, that was not the kind of thing I'd expect a 20-year-old to say in such a situation. That's the sort of response I'd expect from a young child, around the age of 8, who was too scared to do something that everyone else in his group had no problem doing. Well, at least Jana wasn't the one who said it.

I also kinda have to wonder if the water being dirty wasn't the real reason Jana and John-David wouldn't go in the water. It's *mostly* speculation on my part, admittedly, but John-David, after saying that the water was dirty, added "and . . ." before trailing off and not finishing his thought on camera. I have to wonder if there was something else that he wanted to add that he was uneasy saying in front of a bunch of fellow ultra-Christian missionaries, such as the fact that, to him, going swimming without proper modesty suits (despite the fact that everyone was fully clothed) was immoral?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Gil Bates is related to Tommy Bates of Tommy Bates Ministries in Kentucky? I saw Tommy Bates on TV recently and thought there was a strong resemblance.

Cyn said...

I finally got to catch up on some of the shows....

I've been in that restaurant the Bates were at, it's got fairly decent food, it's all home style cooking, the desserts are to die for!!!

It's called Golden Girls, it's on Hwy 61 coming out of Clinton just before you get to Interstate 75.

Anonymous said...

AmyKB said:
I kinda wonder if Priscilla also went because Jana is unmarried... JohnDavid can only keep an eye on her in co-ed situations.
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Color me confused. Is there some worry re situations where Jana might be hanging out with other girls her own age, of the same conservative religious mind set, so that a chaperone is needed even then?

Trust certainly isn't a big component with this group.

roddma said...

"How much is a coke at a restaurant $2.50? You can buy a 12 pack to drink at home for that price. I usually order water. I don't think having kids order water makes them think that it is awful to grow up in a large family. Having a soda at a restaurant would be better than a brother to play with your whole life?"

I usually get water or iced tea, $1-$2. It isn't bad considering you can get refills at most places. I'm sure no one considers a cola better than a sibling or growing up in large families awful. It isn't the kid's fault their parents have so many kids. They deserve to be treated sometimes. I grew up in a typical family of of 4 and things could get tight sometimes.

"The pop up said it cost about $400 for the meal to feed both families."

I couldn't see Jim Bob spending $400 Divide that by roughly 35-38 eating, not counting babies, and it comes to about $12-$15 per person .

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, Jana was wearing a white shirt at the river. I figured one reason she didn't want to go in the water is because her shirt would go transparent when wet. She seems like she would be too modest to come right out and say that, though, so I thought she was trying to find a polite way to decline.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:26---I thought that about her shirt as well. I didn't think she was rude or condescending about it, though. I wouldn't have gotten in that water, either.

roddma--I don't necessarily think Jim Bob paid for the meal, but I could definitely see him doing so. The family seems very giving to me. Frugal, for sure. Willing to negotiate for everything, yes. But, I think he's quite willing to pay for a meal out for his friends who have not been as financially blessed as he.

Anonymous said...

I think people are advised to stay out of the water in some parts of the world. Does anyone ever watch a show called Monsters Inside Me about parasites people can get from water like this?