Tuesday, August 31, Josie Duggar Home at Last

After months of following her journey, watch as Josie finally reunites with her 18 siblings in Northwest Arkansas. But before she returns, Jim Bob, Michelle and the kids must pack up and say goodbye to their home away from home, Little Rock.


30 minutes

82 comments:

Reality TV Junkie said...

I've been waiting for everything to be back to normal for so long now! I actually missed having them all together in their own house! Welcome home Josie and Michelle!

Anonymous said...

Which slave sister has been chosen to be her mother? Time for Michelle to have another one.

bonehead said...

I think it will be Jill, as second mom to Josie. And would not be surprised if say in another month or so Michelle announces she is pregnant. Way to go Jimbob! No rest for the weiry.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I am so excited to see them all back under one roof. I do hope this is the beginning of great things for this family.

Just wondering.... said...

Someone explain to me about the baby seat inside the umbrella stroller. Isn't it dangerous that the baby seat handles are over the stroller handles and not attached anywhere else? I did not think those umbrella strollers were sturdy enough to carry a baby seat with a baby in it. Is it customary in Arkansas to use this set up? Here in Massachusetts we use the baby seat but it locks in a sturdy carriage.

MayDay said...

Michelle needs to stop carrying the stroller with Josie in the baby seat down a flight of stairs. She did it again tonight and did it yesterday down two flights. Michelle gets all "giddy" saying "look at me carrying this all by myself" Not good. Carrying that stroller down a flight of stairs is very dangerous. She is putting that baby at risk.
PS I said over at the Gosselin site I was not going to post anymore but this issue makes me so angry that I had to post one more time.

mythoughtis said...

what I found most amazing about her carrying all that is she has a bad back... that is supposedly why she doesn't oick up her kids.

Now what I found most amazing aobut her homecoming is that she talked only about how good it was to bring Josie home. Not one word about how much she missed her kids, not one hug for them when she came thru the door... nor did any of them appear to want one.

And, why does she continue to babble on in baby speak when she knows she is being filmed? Surely the doctors have told her that Josie needs to hear normal speech by now.

Anonymous said...

Jill already has a lot of little buddies. I think it's high time little Jordyn started pulling her own weight.

Anonymous said...

I don't find it annoying that Michelle talks baby-talk to Josie, an infant. I'd say that is typical of what many moms do. What I do find it very irritating that she often speaks in that manner to the camera/the audience. IMO,it just diminishes any credibility or sincerity she might otherwise have.

Also, this is the first time I noticed that gate at the end of the driveway. I wonder if the rest of their property is fenced in?

-Katydid

Mishmash said...

First of all, let me say that this is my first time posting a comment on this blog...I have been watching this show for a long time and have always been wierdly fascinated by the Duggar family and their lifestyle. I was so happy to find this blog and learn that others think and feel the same way I do about many topics/themes related to the show.
I just finished watching the last episode and these are my comments:
1) Regarding the whole censorship of the Internet, Jessa and Jinger sounded totally brainwashed when they were talking about too much of anything is bad...I felt like they really didn't know what they were talking about and were just repeating what their parents say.
2) I found it soooo sad that when Michelle got home after being away for months, NONE of the kids ran up to her for hugs and kisses!! They were excited to see Josie but seemed unphased by mom. To me, that was really wierd.
3) It was nice not to see Josh in this episode. He totally annoys me and always comes off like a pompous jerk! And I don't think he is respectful towards Anna.
4)I felt bad for Joy Anna. She seems sort of sad and lost in the shuffle. I think she desperately wants to be near her mom and help out but Michelle never seems to even acknowledge her...so sad.
4) Jackson and Johannah are seriously adorable! :)

Suzie said...

It appears Joy won the Josie sweepstakes. I had a feeling it would be her way back in April when they were working with the oxygen tank. She went with Michelle to bring Josie home and followed Michelle like a little shadow afterward. She's definitely the Anoited One.

Michelle's speech about men being weak and easily defrauded while women are made differently was facepalm-worthy. Jessa had the correctly scripted answer about "limited" exposure. NIKE!

I teach first grade and am a little worried about Jackson's inability to read. If he knew sight words he could have at least tried, but James and Justin also had their lines fed to them. Does the poor reading go that far up the chain? The older two should have been able to handle their simple lines with ease. If they couldn't (and I hope I'm wrong) I really worry for the education of the younger kids.

The rest of the episode? Snoozeville, other than we found out exactly how long Josie's "2 years in a bubble" would last; Jordyn was poking at her 2 seconds after they got inside the door. I wish the baby nothing but the best and hope she is kept in the master bedroom to "eat, sleep and poop" (Michelle's words, voiced-over many times the past few weeks, or most of the day.

Michelle is no Mother said...

I missed the episode, but am not surprised to read that none of the kids ran up to Michelle and kissed and hugged her after her months or weeks away.

Heck, even the dysfunctional families on Wife Swap show lots of kissing and hugging with the kids and moms, and those moms have only been gone two weeks!

It just confirms that Michelle is only a birth mother. No real mother acts the way that she does, or have her children respond to her the way that hers do.

And yet she will continue to add to her litter of children, because she is a narcissist who needs babies to get attention.

winsomeone said...

What struck me most out of the latest episode, was how long Michelle's nails are. That woman does not do house work! Plus her nails should be shorter when handling a small baby..they are germ farms if nothing else.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe how disconnected that mother is from her other kids. No hugs, nothing. These kids may not be a mess now but when they are adults out on their own (if that is even permitted in the cult) it will hit the fan. What an absolutely horrible (and boring!!) show.

Anonymous said...

I suppose it's possible that the kids hugged Michelle after she got out of her car. I watched the episode twice and I also noticed that there was no hugging between Michelle and her kids, or Grandma, or even Jim Bob (at the house in Little Rock). But I guess they could have edited those parts out...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It is not all that uncommon that boys do not read till they are older. I would not be concerned over a child reading till after age seven, although the majority of children start reading much younger. Even if a child does not start to read till age seven it does not mean he will be behind most of his/her life. Often late readers are caught up by 5th grade and it makes little difference when a child starts to read by that age.

How old exactly is Jackson? I think he was born since the shows started so that makes him about five? If that is the case I do not think this should even be discussed at this point.

on the fence said...

Ok... I know this has been discussed over and over, but did anyone else think Michelle just seemed so obviously pregnant in last night's episode? The green tie-in-the back blouse had to be maternity. I just can't figure out why they are waiting so long to announce the joyful news.

They genuinely seem to feel grateful and blessed by each child, so it makes me wonder if they are concerned about public backlash. Or if Scott asked them to wait until the season finale? Or if they are contractually bound to wait for a Today show appearance, ha, ha. Seems about time for a Josh and Anna announcement as well.

Also, I agree...so sad that the little kids don't seem to have that typical bond with their mama. I especially feel sorry for Jordyn. She wasn't even a year old when she lost her "buddy" to Josie.

If (I mean when) Josie has younger siblings, her special needs and all the intense care she requires will continue. That is probably the biggest issue I have with the Duggars' lifestyle. It's one thing to have loving big sisters as part-time caregivers. But truly those big girls are getting up in the night with babies and toddlers, making sacrifices that a mother makes. However, they haven't had the opportunity to CHOOSE that motherhood responsibility, nor to enjoy teenage life.

Anonymous said...

I thought this episode was really sad in many ways. First, it seemed that the children up to around age 9 can't read. Secondly, I honestly had trouble following the conversation about the internet, it was just totally weird and it was obvious Jessa was speaking words that had been put in her mouth by her parents. Thirdly, how very sad that after supposedly not seeing their mother for a number of months the children "chosen" to help with the move back were very hesitant to approach their own mother in the upstairs where she and Josie had been living. That was one awkward moment! The awkwardness only continued when Michelle actually got home and not one of her children spontaneously ran up and hugged her (of course I guess that could have been edited out).

I keep telling myself that they edit out anything that isn't awkward and staged.

Anonymous said...

I have long nails and I do housework. You don't have to have short ragged nails from doing basic household chores. I use rubber gloves whenever I clean bathrooms or use harsh chemicals. I'm not going to pass judgment on whether or not Michelle does housework by her nails.

I thought the moment Michelle came through the front door was awkward. You could hear crickets. It was weird how none of the kids exchanged hugs with her. I hope there isn't a disconnect there like some people are saying. I do know some families who are just not huggy, which is weird to me, but the way it is. Also, Michelle hadn't been home for 7 months, but she hadn't been away from her children for 7 months. It had been a few weeks. Still hugs would seem natural, true, but it wasn't like she hadn't laid eyes on any of her children for months and months.

Also, when you watch the episode carefully, when JB and the three kids arrive at the Cornish House, the kids come into the room, Michelle says Hi to them, and you see her beginning to reach out her free arm. The filming is then immediately cut to a few seconds later and the kids are further inside the room on the other side of Michelle. It almost looks like there was a hug there that was edited out, or could have been anyway. Would I put it past the editors to do that in order to create maximum drama and interest over "no hugs shown in this episode?" Not too farfetched.

Anonymous said...

http://www.lifeatthepond.com/duggars.shtml

This is a link to an article written by the guy who worked with the Duggars on the Pond radio show. It has some interesting perspectives.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see the commercial for the next episode, where Jordyn starts poking at Josie and Michelle tells her "No touch baby"? How is that child supposed to learn proper language skills? Jessa and Jinger were obviously just repeating what they'd been fed by their parents about Internet usage, since it is restricted for them it's not like they actually know what's out there. Yes, the Internet can be a cesspool, but it's frustrating to see such confidence born out of IN-experience.

Anonymous said...

I only watched the last half of the episode, but what stuck in my mind was the total disconnect between Michelle and her younger children.

Not one baby, toddler or younger ran to the door to hug her, they just kind of sat there. Jennifer was sitting on the floor right by the front door and didn't even get up. I find that incredibly sad.

I don't think Michelle is a bad person, she just seems addicted to her newborns, which quickly wears off once they get older and they get passed off to an older sister.

I also don't understand why the older girls continually tout the line of the house being better when Michelle's there when it's so painfully obvious it doesn't matter whether she's there or not.

Anonymous said...

If I had been alone at the Little Rock house with one baby as my only responsibility, for all that time, I would have had all of the stuff packed and ready to go. Michelle is pretty lazy, IMO. Nothing was done when JB and the kids came. I am reminded of the episod where they moved out of the little house and she asked all their female friends to help clean out the fridge. Lazy woman.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
I thought the moment Michelle came through the front door was awkward. You could hear crickets. It was weird how none of the kids exchanged hugs with her. I hope there isn't a disconnect there like some people are saying. I do know some families who are just not huggy, which is weird to me, but the way it is. Also, Michelle hadn't been home for 7 months, but she hadn't been away from her children for 7 months. It had been a few weeks.
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I could see perhaps that the older children might not rush over to hug their mom hello. But I find it odd that the younger ones didn't. When my child was young, we always hugged hello when I returned from being away - going to the grocery store or anything! Heck, even though he's a preteen by now, I still go up and hug him hello when he walks in the door from being away overnight. I recently was visiting a friend and her children were out with her husband. When they got home, the two youngest literally ran to their mom's arms, where she proceeded to give them each a full on hug and kisses to the cheek. It had only been about 4 hours apart.

That's what I find so strange about Michele and her littlest children - I think they view her as another adult in the home, but I think their strongest bond, the one normally reserved for mommy, is with whoever their sister-mom is. It makes me uncomfortable to see it. If that's the case, then Michelle is basically just a breeder, and not a mom to those kids. She has them, but they are raised and given maternal love by someone else.

Anonymous said...

It is not all that uncommon that boys do not read till they are older. I would not be concerned over a child reading till after age seven, although the majority of children start reading much younger.
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Every state probably has different requirements, but with No Child Left Behind, I think there is more in common than used to be. I can say with certainty that by completion of kindergarten in my child's California school district, children were supposed to know their alphabet, and recognize and read certain simple words (can, did, hot, lot, cot, etc.)

By the completion of first grade, a child would be expected to be reading and writing simple sentences. That would be around age 6-7.

I don't know how old the boys are, but I'm guessing James is 9 or 10, Justin is about 8 or 9, and Jackson would be about 6 or 7. So if Jackson is still learning to read, that makes sense to me. But I would expect that the older boys, since they are two or more years older, would be well along with their reading skills.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not think it is farfetched to think they edited out all of the hugs. I do believe they do things like this to get others to keep watching.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Sure kindgarten has goals like any other grade. I taught Kindergarten for 4 years and a third of my students were reading on a second grade level by the end of the year. However, this does not negate the fact that some boys just do not start to read till age seven. Do you know that in most states it is not mandatory for a child to be enrolled in school till age seven?


Having objects and goals on each grade level is good, it guides the teracher what to teach and most children will and can master those goals, but that still does not mean there will be children who are not developmentally ready to read till they are six or seven years of age. There are a few children who can learn to read at three so does that mean the school district needs to set objectives for reading in preschool? No, each child learns at their own pace and when they are ready. Years ago I knew I could teach a kindergarten child to read as I have done so many times, however the district at that time decided that children needed to be taught developmentally, thus telling me I could NOT teach reading. I did not agree and left that district and took a 10 grand cut in pay to work at another school district where I was free to teach kindergarten students to read.

Looking back the 1/3 of my students who did not master the objectives at the kindergarten level now are fluent readers. They just needed more time to be able to adquire the reading skills. Do some research and you will find that it is not really all that uncommon for some children, especially boys not to start to read till age seven and most of them who start at that age to read catch up with their peers by fifth grade.

Kitten said...

AS far as the hugs go - maybe they are afraid that hugging the boys will "defraud" them and turn them into raving sex maniacs, and hugging the girls will let them find out that you don't *actually* get pregnant from hugging. Just a thought...

After all, remember the weird sideways hugs between Josh and Anna? These people seem terrified of physical contact between anyone other than husband and wife.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Here is an article that backs up what I was sharing about not being too concern over Jackson not reading:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/research-finds-no-advantage-learning-read-age-five/5/33888

Does anyone know what age Jackson is? This article is just one of many that I have read concerning ages of children reading. Many homeschooling mom's do not push reading in kindergarten as they have read the literature on the topic and believe that the child needs to be ready before reading is taught.

notsurewhattothink said...

Good point that the kids could have hugged Michelle when she got out of the car. That would actually make sense, since the kids were shown running after her car after she drove through the front gate. I hadn't thought of that. And it does look like they edited out something there when the kids first got to the Little Rock house. It almost seems like they might be editing out the hugs! I don't know. I'm very curious about this issue.

Anonymous said...

I do not think it is farfetched to think they edited out all of the hugs. I do believe they do things like this to get others to keep watching.
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Why? I have heard it said that JimBob supposedly has to approve of any footage that makes it onto the show. If this is true, then I cannot understand why he would want his wife seen as being detached from her young children.

If JimBob does not have any say-so in how his own wife is being portrayed, then how can he justify continuing to sign future contracts with TLC, knowing that they may be portrayed in a way that is inaccurate and could be seen as derogatory to them?

The Duggars have said before that this show is their supposed reality. Of course we don't see what happens 24/7, but what is shown is supposed to be an accurate portrayal.

So I am puzzled as to why it would be suggested that the producers and the Duggars would purposely edit out hugs between mother Michele and her young children. What is there to gain? Would they really make Michele look like a detached and uninvolved mother to increase the ratings of the show? Would that be the Christian thing to do?

No matter what I think about the Duggars choice of religion, I do believe they are strongly religious and try to follow their beliefs. Therefore, I cannot agree that the Duggars would purposely try to fool the viewing public about Michele's bond (or lack of) with her own children.

Anonymous said...

Those children all need to be in school. The SOTDRT should be shut down and the kids sent off to a real school to learn. I'm not cutting down home schooling for everyone, as many people do it successfully. But there is no way a woman with only a 12th grade education herself can teach that many children of that many different ages at once. Especially since she was not at home for the last six months of the "school year". Jessa and Jinger holding up flash cards, and the boys looking at those simple computer programs do not substitute for a proper education. I can't see how any of them will ever be ready for a career. Of course the poor girls have no expectations other than churning out children but the boys will be expected to run a business. They will not only need high reading and writing skills, they will need accounting, marketing, statistics, and a lot of other business-related courses as they go. How is this ever going to happen? My kids could read beginning at ages 3 and 4. How sad that the herd of Duggar boys(and girls) are so far behind for their ages. Very, very selfish of the parents to not care if the kids are at appropriate educational levels for their ages.

Anonymous said...

When Michelle left the rental house and was walking with Jim Bob to her truck, did she really whistle before she called Joy Anna's name? Really? Ugh.

Her nails have to go. Just gross, gross, gross.

msrylee said...

Perhaps JB doesn't really get the fact that his wife is portrayed by TLC as detached from her blessings. He doesn't always seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

If indeed no hugging took place upon Michelle's arrival, how sad for these blessings.

Willow #1 said...

A lot of you have expressed what I was going to say, that Michelle just did not seem happy to see her other children. Even if consumed by the illness of a preemie, surely you can at least have time to verbally express a loving hello to the others. It gets me every time and is really starting to irritate me. Its almost like she is NOT doing it on purpose. It makes me so sad.

The boys older than Jackson should be able to read fairly well by now. Sorry that is just the truth. Occasionally there is a child that is not a great reader, but 2 or 3 or more that age is curious. Maybe they were just shy (I hope). I agree with all the concerned bloggers about the education.

I am an avid watcher of the show and reader of this blog. Even still, my jaw literally dropped when Michelle was giving her little speech about the internet and how she and JB have to occasionally go through the house and clean out everything that isn't "approved" (I can't remember her exact word). That and her statement, again, about the fact that boys just cannot trust their eyes (paraphrase) but women can, just floored me. It seemed so out of place and so redundant. It seemed like she really wanted to make a point - just in case any one new to the show didn't know --. So strange!!

I agree Joy must be the new "baby mamma" for Josie. Yes, I thought Joy seemed sad also. I used to really enjoy watching the Duggars, but now I am just irritated.

Anonymous said...

Do you know that in most states it is not mandatory for a child to be enrolled in school till age seven?
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Yes, I was aware of that, or aware that in our school district, that is the policy. However, since most children start kindergarten at age 5 or 6, I imagine the few 7-year old children who are held back to start until then, are often teased all through their school career.

But that wasn't my point anyway. I noted that by age 6-7 (first grade for most), children in public schools are expected to have basic reading capability. I further pointed out that Jackson's older brothers should be 2 and 3 years more advanced in reading than he is. It appears not to be the case.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was interesting Michelle said "we don't put garbage in our mouths so why put it in our minds" since a lot of things we've seen them eat aren't exactly a nutritionist's dream!!

Anonymous said...

About the nails it might be their standard of beauty - like they like super long, curly hair on the women. Maybe they are supposed to grow their nails long too?

Mary said...

I normally don't post but I enjoy reading everyone's comments after watching the show. I just wanted to throw this out there since I have not seen it mentioned yet.

When I was watching I got more of the impression that the guy was feeding the younger children their lines not because they all couldn't read but because it was simply easier. If the children just read the lines then the recording would more than likely sound like that, requiring more takes to get it to sound natural. But then someone gives them the lines they can say them like you would want the child to, in the long run requiring less takes. At least this would be the approach I would take with the younger children in this situation instead of giving them a piece of paper and asking them to read it. I did hear someone say they couldn't read but I don't remember every young Duggar saying that, although I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Jackson is the ONLY one who said he couldn't read, and that probably means he can't read well. As pointed out by Suzanne, it is not at all uncommon for people to read at different ages. Standard "reading readiness" is anywhere between 3 and 7. The other children were likely fed their lines because reading them would have sounded far less natural than repeating what someone else said. Imagine an 8 year reading something he is not familiar with...stilted and halting. That does not mean that Justin, James and Jason can't read. BTW, Jackson is 6, Justin is 7, and James is 9.

Anonymous said...

Jackson just turned six, Justin is seven and James just turned nine. I don't think the producers of that show expected or wanted the younger children to read. It probably sounds more natural when they feed them their lines. I thought the children did a great job with the "frog" show and it sounded like the producers thought so too!

Anonymous said...

Did I miss something, or did Michelle not even say "Hello" to Grandma when she came in the door? If my mother in law helped me as much as Grandma Duggar helps, she would be getting a giant hug and a thank you. I love watching this show, but I was disturbed by the lack of emotion Michelle showed to her children and mother in law. If the hugs were edited out, I say poorly done TLC.

Allison said...

I looked up Jackson's age, and on Wikipedia, it says that he just turned 6 in May, so he may just be learning to read right now. And the fact *he* said he can't read doesn't necessarily mean it holds weight. How many kids say they can't do something to get out of it? Maybe he just said something off-hand (and kids do) and they kept it in there. As for the other boys, maybe they just found it easier having them repeat the words than trying to read it. Again, this is a day-long event that was edited into 5 minutes. Who knows what they actually did? Maybe the boys were just too slow of readers for them to say the lines quick enough?

I also imagine the homecoming scene was edited in a way that it didn't show everything that happened, like what was going on outside the house or what happened after they stopped cooing over Josie. That's the thing about reality TV and especially a 30 min. episode that is trying to cover a lot of time. They clearly are not showing all the dialogue, etc.

I did think that Jessa and Jinger were following the "party line" but I thought Jinger's comment of "adults like it too" sounded almost sarcastic, like she didn't believe it but said it anyway. Same with when Jana tried to explain Nike last season, saying how some of the younger children "get really into it." I actually feel like the older kids try to say they aren't as sheltered as their parents want you to think, but they can't really say anything because Jim Bob would never approve of it being said on TV. Especially being related to Cousin Amy... these kids can't be *that* stupid with her around. Just a theory.

Anonymous said...

I followed the link and read the blog by the producer of "The Pond". He appears to have been quite favorably impressed by The Duggar children.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

Jackson is just to freakin cute. He is really maturing nicely for a 6 year old. He is starting to correct Johannah's behavior as well. The Duggars do a great job teaching their children how to behave. I wish more parents would teach their child to speak positively instead of negatively. Negativity never gets you anywhere.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars do a great job teaching their children how to behave.
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Like sitting on counter tops, running around the house yelling, tossing their siblings into wagons, and stuff like that? Yes, they did a fantastic job.

Thank you for the advice to change the channel (and not say anything at all unless the remark is positive) about the Duggars, but I like being my snarky self and pointing out the reasons I find them less than wonderful.

Good Manners? said...

I think the Duggar parents do an awful job of teaching their children to behave. I have never thought of good behavior as riding bikes and scooters in the house, stomping on their siblings' backs, climbing all over everything, including the counters, having horrible, disgusting table manners, rolling their eyes at people who do things differently, etc.

Also, I truly doubt any of the younger kids can read well. There is absolutely no education whatsoever happening in that home now (although there may have been back in the days before TLC). Mostly they take silly trips, and spending the day on a bus is no education at all/ There is no teacher, as Michelle, the former teacher, is absent, and Jim Bob knows nothing and tells the kids things that are wrong anyway. The Duggar youngsters are among the most undereducated children I have ever seen, and the fault for that can be laid squarely at the feet of Jim Bob and Michelle.

Anonymous said...

"I followed the link and read the blog by the producer of "The Pond". He appears to have been quite favorably impressed by The Duggar children."

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That's to be expected.

The producer would not dream of saying anything negative about them. The Duggars helped HIM produce his show, do you really think he'd give anything but glowing reports about them?

Iliketheduggars said...

" I can say with certainty that by completion of kindergarten in my child's California school district, children were supposed to know their alphabet, and recognize and read certain simple words (can, did, hot, lot, cot, etc.)"

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The Duggars seem typical of homeschoolers; early reading is not a priority, and it doesn't seem to have an effect on academic achievement. In fact, pushing reading before a child is ready is considered the biggest error.

And this isn't specific just to conservative Christians... one of the first homeschooling families I ever met was of the liberal, hippy, unschooling variety; one of their children, who didn't read independently until age 12.

As far as public school standards and NCLB -- well, that's one of the reasons many families leave to homeschool. Even schools who previously had a flexible approach can't afford to now, under NCLB. When my older kids were in our neighborhood elementary, their individualized approach allowed for children to read independently as late as third grade, and the district had one of the highest average ACTs in the state.

I don't think the Duggar boys' reading skills are unusual at all.

Anonymous said...

"Jackson is just to freakin cute. He is really maturing nicely for a 6 year old. He is starting to correct Johannah's behavior as well. The Duggars do a great job teaching their children how to behave. "

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Isn't Jackson the one who, in an episode last year, took a toy away from Johannah and then hit her with it?

Contradictions Abound said...

"I thought it was interesting Michelle said "we don't put garbage in our mouths so why put it in our minds".

...while visions of Tater Tot Casserole and Ice Cream Cake danced in our heads.

Beachbrums said...

I was thinking the same thing about the carseat attached to the umbrella stroller. After 19 kids you would think she would know how weak an umbrella stroller is. I was also taken by how "unexcited" her other babies were to see Michelle. It was like they didn't know her, or had no maternal connection to her. Very strange...

Anonymous said...

1) Jackson is only 6 - remember a time when reading was 1st grade material??? He's on track! Focus on the older kids' "education" lacks. How will they ever support a family of their own without any skills or trade? It doesn't even seem to be about $. They just don't seem to encourage their kids to have careers or trades to provide for themsleves later on.

2) Hugs may or may not have been edited out, but this isn't the first time affection is missing from the Duggar home. It's a wholesome home, it's even a fun home. But it's not an "affectionate" home. Too bad.

3) I agree that the kids sound like they're spitting out the rhetoric of their parents (Josh used to be especially eager to please in that dept). It's hard to tell what individualizes these kids when we never hear a dinner table discussion or just idle chatting. We see play, chores, music. How about interests/talents/likes for the older ones? Strange. Repeating information is "processing" it.

They have the "breeding", "training", and "keep them alive" parts down pat, but don't seem interested in "raising", "growing", "loving", "educating" much. If they fear their faith would be "defrauded" by any of it, they don't have much trust in their own guidance, do they!

Still, plenty of kids have it worse, and when they hit 18, they're free to go and explore the world. Hope they do, if only to come back to what they know with a better sense of WHY they CHOOSE to.

Anonymous said...

(MONITOR - Corrected some mistakes in my last post, thanks!)

1) Jackson is only 6 - remember a time when reading was 1st grade material? Give him a break. I’m far more concerned with how the older kids will ever support a family of their own without any skills or trade. It does not even seem to be about $ (trade school is cheap). They just don't seem to encourage their kids to have careers or trades and I cannot understand why they wouldn’t want their kids to practice the professions they depend on daily.

2) Hugs may or may not have been edited out, but this isn't the first time affection is missing from the Duggar home. It's a wholesome home, it's even a fun home. But it's not an "affectionate" home. Too bad.

3) I agree that the kids sound like they're spitting out the rhetoric of their parents (Josh used to be especially eager to please in that dept). It's hard to tell what individualizes these kids when we never hear a dinner table discussion or just idle chatting. We see play, chores, music. How about interests/talents/likes for the older ones? Strange. Repeating information is NOT "processing" it.

They have the "breeding/training/keep them alive" parts down, but aren’t into in "raising/growing/loving/educating" as much. If they fear their faith would be "defrauded" by any of it, they don't have much trust in their own guidance, do they!

Still, plenty of kids have it worse, and when they hit 18, they're free to go and explore the world. Hope they do, if only to come back to what they know with a better sense of WHY they CHOOSE to.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 7:31 a.m. said:
Still, plenty of kids have it worse, and when they hit 18, they're free to go and explore the world. Hope they do, if only to come back to what they know with a better sense of WHY they CHOOSE to.
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Very true. While I deplore some of the aspects I find lacking in the way Mr. and Mrs. Duggar choose to raise their children, they do at least have a big home, lots of siblings to play with, parents who work them hard but don't physically mistreat them, and at least they get out and about more than your standard fundamentalist family. Limited as it is, they do see more of the world than probably most of their contemporaries (within the ATI group).

It will be interesting to see what the children choose to do when they are adults. Several of them have reached adulthood already, although only one has gotten married. Josh and Anna are already appearing to slightly deviate from the ATI commandment of "go forth, be fruitful and multiply." It seems very likely they will have more children, but they're not in a rush or appearing addicted to having as many children as possible.

What will be even more interesting is, if and when the older girls are allowed to "court" and marry, will they move away to where their husband lives (like Anna did), or will their future mate move onto the compound or nearby with them? I'm curious too as to how long it will be before one of the girls is allowed to court. I'm not trying to marry them all off tomorrow, but merely curious as to how long they will remain gentle spinster ladies, living at home, caring for their younger siblings, and not doing much of anything else.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure the producer of The Pond wouldn't say negative things about the Duggars, but neither did he have to be so positive. He could have just said "what a nice family", but he went into details and had high praise. I thought it was so interesting how he said he felt the teenage girls had more freedom than other girls their age. Not sure what I think about that, it was just really interesting to get someone else's take. I wonder what most of us would think if we met the Duggars in person? Would it be different than the conclusions we've drawn from watching their show?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I rewatched the last episode on TIVO to see why there is so much concern about reading or hugging.

There was only one remark made by Jackson that he can not read when handed a scrpit. It ended up that the best way for the children to use their voices in the various parts of the Pond story was to repeat rather than read. This is not so much that they could not read their parts but that it was more spontaneous.

You can tell that all of the homecoming of the even tof Josie coming home was cut and edited. So we do not know how much hugging actually went on. I did notice that when Michelle was introducing the new baby to her last baby she had her arms around her. Twice I saw Michelle on the toddlers eye level with her arms talking to her softly about her new sister.

When she entered the house she had the baby in the stroller with the kids follwoing her on the sides. Her mother in law came over and stood in front of the baby and gave the baby attention. The focus was more on Josie. There will be plenty of time for hugging and other greetings.

I did notice that Michelle hugged a woman from the church that helped her pack her things up. I do believe she does hug but for some reason it does not always get to be part of the show. Maybe they should do a show showing all of the hugs between episodes. I bet with all of the hours of taping they do for each epispde they could get at least 10 min. of hugging.

Alice said...

Hate to shatter your perception, but even on reality shows there are second and third and even fourth takes. These kids were undoubtedly happy to see their mother--but recreating the greeting is tiresome, so I'm sure they opted out.

So glad Josie is home! She will be able to bond with the rest of the family now, too!

Sweet kids with a sweet future. God bless 'em.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:When Michelle left the rental house and was walking with Jim Bob to her truck, did she really whistle before she called Joy Anna's name? Really? Ugh.
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I was wondering that too! I rewound it three times, trying to figure out where that whistle came from!

I would like TLC to do a "makeover" on Michelle. Respectful of the modest style she wants to adhere too, and the long hair could certainly stay ( and should stay), but PLEASE cut that woman some layers! Michelle: welcome to the 90s...at least!

Anonymous said...

Jana and Jill are hardly spinsters, Jana is 20 years old, Jill is 19. From things their parents have said, I don't get that they aren't "allowing" the girls to court yet. I think the frequent getting together with the Bates is a matchmaking attempt, that hasn't worked yet.

And I don't think Josh and Anna have "deviated" from the course. Make no mistake, they plan to have as many as they can. Anna has said so several times on camera, and it was part of their wedding vows, to "allow God to decide". The only difference is that Anna doesn't seem to be as fertile as her mother-in-law. They made a big deal about how they had to try for four or five months after they were married to get pregnant, and she was very anxious about it. Whereas JimBob and Michelle get pregnant by drinking out of the same cup, apparently. Mrs. Duggar's fertility is truly astounding, and is not the norm for most women. Even with Josh and Anna using no birth control, Anna will most likely never get pregnant as many times as Michelle has.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice the children chasing the car up the driveway or racing up the stairs at the house in little rock? They were undoubtedly excited to see their mom. In my opinion there was editing of the homecoming because the show is only so long.

Suzie said...

Given what we now know about the Pond taping, why couldn't the writer emailed the script to JimBob to print off copies for at minimum, Jill and the boys down to Justin (who at 7 1/2 at the time of taping, should be able to read the simple script).

They had a long busride that they could have used to rehearse with each other. I'm kind of curious why this didn't happen, especially given taping times were pushed back to accommodate attendance at Mr. Ruark's funeral in Ohio.

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They have the "breeding", "training", and "keep them alive" parts down pat, but don't seem interested in "raising", "growing", "loving", "educating" much. If they fear their faith would be "defrauded" by any of it, they don't have much trust in their own guidance, do they!
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THIS! In the spirit of "PER-PEN-DICK-YOO-LAR" I wonder if Michelle can say "HIP-O-CRIT" (phonetically spelled on purpose). Because everything that came out of her mouth and the sadly robotic mouths of Jessa and Jinger was, well, a steaming pile of hypocrisy.

As for "too much of anything is bad," have they looked at the family lately, especially the younger kids who aren't even being raised by the woman who proudly proclaims that "yes, [she] delivered every one!" I know, I know, can't have too many children/flowers, except that you can.

Anonymous said...

I know, I've often thought how pretty Michelle would be if her heavy hair was lightened a little (in cut, not color)and updated in style. Although it has been very nice to see her growing out her side-wings and flattening out her bangs this past year. I guess we will have to content ourselves with that much progress.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what the big deal about Michelle whistling for joy is. I've seen many parents whistle for their kids.

My mom used to ring a bell to get me and my siblings to come in for dinner or bed or something else.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice the security gate? Michelle pulled up to a high metal gate just like Hollywood celeberties have at their houses. I guess things are getting dangerous.

Snap! said...

Michelle's lack of affection towards her children was surprising-but it did seem edited. The kids were excited to see the car when she pulled up with Josie. They probably all greeted each other outside then the crew set up inside and Michelle pretended to come in and see everyone.
I am not the biggest Duggar fan but you can see by the happiness on the younger Duggars' faces that they are not ignored. They are doing something right.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The security gate is no more than I see in gated neighborhoods. I do not think that the campus is that secure as to keep anything seriously dangerous out being that there is not a very high fence round the area. Look, the fence connected to the gate is very low. It can keep out a vehicle but I doubt if it will keep out anyone who really wanted to enter the area.

Cyn said...

Did anyone notice the security gate? Michelle pulled up to a high metal gate just like Hollywood celeberties have at their houses. I guess things are getting dangerous.
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Having not seen the show yet, I need to ask was it connected to the rental storage units at the top of their driveway? And they simply extended it on out either while they were in Little Rock (since the whole WORLD knew they were gone) OR because the public thinks that since they are so nice on TV they can just show up at any time and do pictures and autographs and the like?

Anonymous said...

"THIS! In the spirit of "PER-PEN-DICK-YOO-LAR" I wonder if Michelle can say "HIP-O-CRIT" (phonetically spelled on purpose). Because everything that came out of her mouth and the sadly robotic mouths of Jessa and Jinger was, well, a steaming pile of hypocrisy."


Where's the hypocrisy? Not sure what is being referenced here. When I watched it, I thought Jessa was stating what their family believes, and she seems to believe it too. But I didn't think they were just parroting, I think she's really on board with her family's beliefs. I don't know that it's any different than, say, a child of a secular family who tells others what they've been taught and what their family believes.

nccalgal said...

There was a segment on one of the episodes last season where Michelle went into some detail on how she learned to whistle like that and how she uses it as a "time to come in" type signal. It is certainly more efficient than having to call each one individually especially when they could be spread out over a large area. At school they ring a bell or a buzzer to indicate the start or end of a period or recess, so I don't see this as a big deal.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned that they thought Michelle was lazy for not doing all the packing up and moving herself while she stayed with Josie at the house in Little Rock.

I'm not one to defend Michelle, but we just moved into a new house, and have actually have moved several times over the years, and have done it both with and without help. Let me tell you, moving is a gargantuan task that always, always, takes much more time and work than you think it's going to. The move-out cleaning alone can take a couple of days if you're doing it by yourself, which that can't even start until you've exhausted yourself by moving every cotton-picking thihg out of the house. I've helped many people from my church, and other friends, move before, and I'm happy to do it, because I know it's horrible to do it alone, and it isn't necessary either - that's what friends are for, that's what churches are for. It doesn't make a person lazy. It just isn't a task designed for one person, or even two.

Having "just one baby" as your only responsibility, well, anyone who's had a baby knows that with a new baby, there is hardly time to take a shower and do a few basic household chores in between caring for the baby, and Josie has special needs to boot. Much less have time to pack up a huge house with 20 people's stuff in it. While I have taken issue in the past with Michelle's delegation of household chores to her daughters, I don't think she dropped the ball with moving out of that house. She was alone there with a new preemie baby, and it was so nice that their friends from the church they'd been to only a short while came to help.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said:When Michelle left the rental house and was walking with Jim Bob to her truck, did she really whistle before she called Joy Anna's name? Really? Ugh.

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They once had a whole segment about her whistling to call the kids, in which she explained that though it’s not ladylike, it’s effective when needing to be heard in the great outdoors. I don’t see anything wrong with that! I think it’s funny! My grandpa used to do it all the time and it made us laugh (and run over)!

Anna might not be as “fertile”… yet. Fertility in healthy women gains momentum (that’s why they tell you to start trying again as soon as it’s safe when you have a miscarriage, because your body is still in “preggers” mode). At this point, Michelle’s system is surely ALWAYS perfect breeding ground for successful conception.

But I don’t think Anna and Josh plan for the same size family – Josh has hinted that he didn’t need that (and let’s face it, he moans too much about having to actually get up before 8am all that time to handle a big family), and Anna even said at some point that “Family is not about ‘setting a record’.”, which sounded A LOT like a jab at “Mrs. Duggar” (for crying out loud – can’t she call her Michelle now that they’re married????).

mythoughtis said...

Posters have commented that there are multiple takes on reality shows.. I understand what they are saying... but Jim Bob denied this happens.

As those watching the episode about the Couragous film set know, Jim Bob said one of the hardest things to deal with as an extra for that movie was the fact that multiple takes occurred. He said that on their show, they only filmed stuff once.

Works in TV said...

Just like we already know we can't believe the pop ups, we can't believe everything Jim Bob says as 100% crystal clear truth. He and Michelle couldn't even get the story straight about Jana and John David and the trip to Asia.

He no doubt was fed that bit about no retakes by TLC since people online had been talking about "the work" of reality TV.

Yes, there are retakes and redos. No not to the extent that it would be on major movie, but not everything is once and done in alleged "reality." Call it scripted half reality on the cheap and it would be more accurate. It's reality in that it these people aren't playing roles and yes they did those things. Would they have done them without the show? Most of it not likely.

On one episode they even showed some interview retakes with the Duggars laughing about them.

NDmom said...

Regarding people's comments that the other children, especially the younger ones, didn't hug Michelle or seem that excited to see her when she arrived home with Josie...

I'm just wondering if possibly this scene was staged and that Michelle and Josie actually arrived home at an earlier day/time when the cameras weren't there and then they replayed the arrival at another time when the cameras could be there to record the event. In that case Michelle might have had a warmer greeting with the other kids when she really, truly first arrived at home after having been away. Then the kids might have been coached on being excited to see Josie, etc., etc., but didn't think to greet their mom as though she had been away.

Just an idea. I didn't see that very part of the episode so I don't know how it looked. I know that they tell us that this is reality tv but the cameras aren't there all the time. I think sometimes events take place and they coach the family to replay them for the camera at another time. ??

Anonymous said...

I've studied all things fertility for many years, and I've never heard that fertility "gains momentum" after a woman has a baby, or as a woman gets older. Most women simply couldn't get pregnant as many times as Michelle has, even if they wanted to, which they don't. In the circles I live and work in, I've known quite a few women who never used bc, and it doesn't mean babies like Michelle and JimBob have.

I too remember Josh and Anna's wedding vows saying they'll let God decide how many children they have. And I remember when they first announced their pregnancy on TV to Josh's parents, and JimBob asked them "how many children do you want?" to which Anna responded, "As many as possible!"

The comments Josh and Anna have made in the past about not going for any records, what they are saying is that they aren't trying for any particular number of children. They have said they want as many as God wants them to have, whether that's one, or twenty. I also remember Josh saying if God wants them to have two or three that's fine - but they've never said they want just two or three.

Anonymous said...

I dont think there is anything wrong with Michelle whistling...it was just....surprising....this soft spoken woman whose prone to "baby talk" ( No touch baby!-next episode)is very sweetly saying goodbye to their helpers and talking so sweet..........and then all of a sudden she rears back and rips out a big whistle.

It was surprising, that's all!

Like hearing a dainty lady let loose a big belch!

Anonymous said...

Works in TV said:
He no doubt was fed that bit about no retakes by TLC since people online had been talking about "the work" of reality TV.
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So you think he lied then? It certainly is possible that he was told to say an untruth and so he did, and to heck with his so called religious principles.

Anonymous said...

Yes if they are not being truthful about how they shoot their family then that is not very Christ-like.

So much for reality tv if they are staging scenes and doing retakes, which I mostly certainly think they do. Just be honest about it.

pumpkin said...

Michelle has talked in at least one previous episode about whistling for her kids... says it allows her to save her voice, since she isn't shouting, plus it lets them know that she means business. She said that she practiced whistling with her fingers in high school, but now she doesn't need her fingers she can do it on her own.

Mary said...

Michele is pregnant. she almost spelled the beals tonight. when she talked about her twins. She saiad she had (spelling with them and then pauses and says she would not be here. She said she does not care what people think she only there tp please the Lord.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I watched the show and did not see her telling us she is pregnant. She talked about maybe she may not even have another baby as she is not sure she is able to conceive. Then she talked about if she is able to conceive she is not going to prevent it from happening and then she used as an example the child she had after she had preclampsia in an earlier pregnancy. She said had she stopped having children due to that earlier case of preclampsia she would have not had that given child.

She ended up saying that everyone is allowed their opinions but she only cares of her Lord and His opinion of her (implied).

I do not think she was prepareing us to share she is with chiid. I think she did this because she knows many are saying to her that she should not have another.

Also I think the girls spoke about how the parents do not push them out of the house when they are 18 and that they can develope needed skills at home or near home. I thik this too was brought froth out in the open due to all of the talk others are giving concerning them and how they should be out getting an education.