Tuesday, August 24, Duggars Chicken Out

With Josie improving every day, Jim Bob and Michelle decide it's time to reunite her with the rest of the family in Northwest Arkansas. However, their plans are delayed when 12 of the kids come down with a serious case of the chicken pox.

30 minutes

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/08/exclusive-video-12-duggar-children-get-chicken-pox-same-time

93 comments:

Anonymous said...

No surprise that Johannah was the first to catch it and then it spread to the others.

Unfortunately, Johannah has not learned that coughing openly into the air and picking your nose is NOT okay. That's the quickest way to spread a virus.

Anonymous said...

I take it the Duggars have never heard of varicella pneumonia letting the children by up and around running around with a film crew there also.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Let's hope they were okay! 12 is a LOT for all at one time. I even saw Joseph have it, and he's one of the older ones. (15 I believe).

Anonymous said...

Chicken pox is harder on older people than younger ones. The younger ones probably weren't too bothered except for the itching but the older kids probably were more sick. Too bad they had to have cameras around to capture all of that.

Anonymous said...

Someone please tell me the Duggarific religious beliefs do not disallow immunizing their blessings.

Anonymous said...

Agreed that 12 of the Duggars having the chicken pox all at once (and at some of their ages) is certainly questionable given the availability of the vaccine and the likelihood of the older children having already had a case if they weren't so sheltered. However, the vaccine has not successfully proven that the child will not get shingles later in life. It is a live, attenuated vaccine and people who receive it still receive the initial virus, just weakened. Shingles is a reactivation of the virus later in life, so there's no proof (especially with the age of the vaccine) that it will protect against shingles as well.

I'm curious as to whether or not the Duggars do vaccinate their children. I'm also curious if they know that chicken pox can cause sterility in teenagers and adults.

Iliketheduggars said...

I don't know whether they've had the vaccine or not. But they may not have worried about it, because when Josh, Jana, and John David were little, people did not worry about the chicken pox. Doctors didn't panic parents about possible rare complications; they gave them some Calamine lotion and sent them on their way.

When Jessa, Jill, and Jinger were little, many doctors not recommending the vaccine for children with stay-at-home parents ("let them get it naturally"), because the vaccine was recommended for children whose parents worked and couldn't afford to leave their job for a week or two at a time.

When Joseph and Josiah were little, some doctors were still wary about the effectiveness of the vaccine and didn't push it, because until it was determined whether a booster was needed, all the kids who could have gotten chickenpox as toddlers, when the disease is fairly mild, would get them instead as adolescents or adults, when it can be quite serious.

Only when the vaccine and boosters became widely available, and the recommended populations were changed, did chickenpox dangers and complications suddenly become news. Considering the non-fanfare chickenpox was when their older children were young, it would not be surprising if the Duggars later didn't buy the hype.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I'm curious as to whether or not the Duggars do vaccinate their children. I'm also curious if they know that chicken pox can cause sterility in teenagers and adults.
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Oh my, I didn't know that. Not so good if you are in the Duggar family. Even if it does effect their reproductive health, I don't think it will change it too much, considering they carry the "potentcy" gene.

Anonymous said...

I, too, am curious to know whether or not the Duggars vaccinate at all, or if they maybe do some vaccines but no others. I am hoping that is addressed on tomorrow's episode.

Suzie said...

What kind of scares me is that Jinger and Joseph are only 13 months apart. One got the pox, the other didn't. That means if Jinger has had CP already, she was an infant or got them when she wasn't near any of her younger siblings, all of whom got it (save Josie, obviously) this time around.

I just hope Michelle wasn't pregnant with Joseph - or any of the others for that matter - when the older kids' outbreak (and it likely was something similar to this, on a lesser scale) happened. I just can't see that many options for separation of kids when they were living in the 3 BR house back in the day, unless they were able to keep uninfected kids at Grandma's or the car lot (or something like that) until outbreaks ended.

Jinger's 16, isn't she? If she (or any of the older ones) who haven't had CP, would the vax be recommended for them, or is it too late? I had my bout at age 5, years before the vax was a gleam in a researcher's brain (I knew kids with mumps growing up) and don't have kids, so I really have no clue how something like this would work in a situation like that.

MissyMay said...

No wonder the children all got chicken pox, 18 children are split into two bedrooms! Viruses must LOVE the Duggar house.

Sharla said...

Good morning. I cleaned up the thread a bit. Please remember the entire blog is about the Duggars. If you want to discuss vaccines in general or the chickenpox vaccine in particular, this is NOT the place for that. We are not here to discuss who in your family had chickenpox or how many times or to vaccinate or not vaccinate. We are here to discuss what is shown in the episode tonight. Thank you so very much. (Yes, I watched The Closer last night.)

I will put up a vaccination thread on the Free Discussion blog. :)

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It is possible they just did not get the chicken pox vac. not due to religious reasons. They doctor just may have not suggested them to get one.

Anonymous said...

Oh my God. Are they serious? 1000 aspirin tablets a year? Have they EVER heard of the dangers of aspirin in children? Ridiculous! Also, JB's ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Really, the good thing about chicken pox is they won't get shingles later on? It takes 2 seconds to google that one, JB.

To me, the Duggars have proven to be even more naive than I previously thought.

bonehead said...

Ok, I am beside myself, tryin to figure out why, before the children & Jimbob left or a couple of them came back, they did not move Michelle and Josie downstairs to the main floor? Why on earth would anyone want to carry a stroller with a baby in it up and down 2 flights of stairs, when you and baby are the only ones in the house? They could have easily put Michelle & baby in the living room. Why make it hard on yourself. And even with out the others Michelle could have moved herself downstairs, but I guess she has gotten herself so use to the older kids and Jimbob doing stuff for her, she has gotten lazy? The other thing and tell me if I heard this wrong: did Jimbob tell the children when they were sitting around the table and he asked them, what was the good thing? about getting chicken poxs, and then I think he said, that the good thing about getting Chicken pox, is that you won't get shingles when your older? WHAT! There is always a chance that anyone who had Chicken pox might get shingles later. Where does this man get his info? Does he not look these things up before he talks?

Anonymous said...

OK, the lasagna dinner...I think Michelle and Jim Bob need to focus less on bible readings at dinner and a little more on table manners. They were shoveling it in is a really gross way.

And too funny when Jim Bob asked what good has come out of having the chicken pox, one of the boys said.. Lasagna? Good boy.

Anonymous said...

Wow Jim Bob the way people get shingles later in life is because they had chicken pox, not the other way around.

Judy said...

I liked this episode, actually. ..What amazed me was how the kids were all dressed, up, and about during the whole illness. . .chicken pox usually is miserable, you're achy and uncomfortable, in pjs, in bed, etc.

Jimmycrackcorn said...

I laughed when one of the girls said their dad was doing a good job taking care of the kids, despite that not being his jurisdiction.

Seriously, taking care of your kids is not your "jurisdiction"?


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Anonymous said...

Wow, agree with those horrified at Jim Bob's ignorance re the connection between chicken pox and shingles. Once you have had chicken pox, the virus can lay dormant in your body for years. There's no way of telling whether a person will get shingles or not. Had a neighbor who got shingles and it was one of the most debilitating times of her life.

As to the children being up, dressed and about even with chicken pox - well, as the old saying goes: The show must go on! I imagine they were encouraged to put on a cheerful face for the cameras, and stop fussing and putting themselves first.

Suzie said...

Am I the only one who caught Michelle's own medical gaffe with the Vitamin D? I hate to break the news to her, but car lights, or the light through tinted windows, or ANY windows, for that matter, provide a natural source of Vit. D. Josie would have to be supplemented at this point, since she's obviously unable to tolerate either sunlight or any food that contains it.

And the 2-year "bubble?" In the "welcome home" preview shots for next week, at least one of the little girls is practically right in little JosieCat's face. So much for that...

Anonymous said...

Jimmycrackcorn thanks for confirming what I thought I'd surely misheard. Taking care of the younger children is NOT Jim Bob's jurisdiction? Not his jurisdiction? Puhlease!!! Getting off your rump and running after the youngest and therefore neediest isn't your job? I'm guessing this excuses him from diaper duty, nighttime awakenings, cleaning up sticky messes and generally attending to their needs all day?

I can only imagine what my husband would do if I said taking care of the young 'uns wasn't my jurisdiction!

Suzie said...

ACK! I meant that the lights DO NOT PROVIDE a natural source of Vit. D.

It's the heat; not used to it (especially when it hits 100 and is still in the mid-80's. That'd be okay if we had A/C. Or even a slight breeze.

Point: Josie is NOT exposed to natural vitamin D sources, Michelle. There are special lights for that, not found even in your fancy, schmancy SUV.

The NICU "friend?" TLC probably footed the bill for one of the nurses she knew well, but that jives with the blogger who saw her alone at an airport in Ohio during the proper timeframe for the funeral. Now we know where Josie was, because no one could figure out whether she was just not seen by the blogger or kept home with Grandma or JimBob's sister. At least that's cleared up and well-played, especially for a mega-family dealing with multiple crises, and a hurry to deal with the latest one.

Jana fan said...

This whole episode was sad, from the ignorance (Aspirin, JB, really? Ever heard of Reyes Syndrome?) displayed, to the safety dangers again (Michelle carrying Josie in the carseat and UMBRELLA stroller down two flights of stairs, Jenny trying to put a metal trike down the Little tikes slide, and then Jordyn clonking herself on the trike when going down the slide).

And poor Jill. Jim Bob announcing, "Let's all enjoy the lasagna that Jill prepared for us". She alone is responsible for far, far too much. And Grandma doing 60 loads of laundry? Not the way most of us would want to spend our golden years. But Jill just looks worn out and sad. She is doing almost all the mothering and care now, for the remaining children at home. It's cruel and unfair.

And Jim Bob, those are your CHILDREN, not your JURISDICTION!

VillageMom said...

I heard it as caring for sick children was not usually Jim Bob's jurisdiction. I don't find that so odd. My husband is not usually the temp-taker, medicine dispenser in our house, either. I tend to be Dr. Mom.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Was it me, (or possibly the camera lighting) or did Jim Bob look more muscular than usual?

Nicole said...

"Am I the only one who caught Michelle's own medical gaffe with the Vitamin D? I hate to break the news to her, but car lights, or the light through tinted windows, or ANY windows, for that matter, provide a natural source of Vit. D."


Car lights won't do it, nor will indoor lighting. The only artificial lighting that helps the body manufacture Vit D are special light therapy lamps made for that purpose. It is true that sunlight coming through windows can do it, but it is not as effective as direct exposure to sunlight. Most pediatricians would likely recommend careful supervised outdoor exposure for Josie. I don't think Michelle "gaffed" on this one.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice one of the girls explaining that she had had chicken pox "whenever" she was 3 years old?

Jimmycorn said...

I think it's a southern thing, to use whenever, instead of simply saying "when".

Like, "whenever I was 3", instead of "when I was 3."

At least everyone I've known from the south has used it that way.

Anonymous said...

"I heard it as caring for sick children was not usually Jim Bob's jurisdiction."

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After 19 children, JimBob does not know how to, or doesn't usually, take care of sick children?

Wow, I don't even know how to respond to that.

He's not much of a "father" then if you ask me. He's not much of an adult either.

When a child is sick, you jump in and tend to them, I don't care if you are the mom OR the dad.

Nicole said...

I too noticed that JimBob was looking muscular! Maybe it was just a well-fitted shirt, or he could be pumping some iron...

As far as the aspirin stats in the pop-up, you can never believe anything in the popups, they are notoriously inaccurate. For all we know the Duggars don't use aspirin at all for the children. They've been taking their kids to pediatricians for years, I can't imagine they're unaware of the dangers of aspirin.

mythoughtis said...

Reyes Syndrome (so, no aspirin for children and teenagers), and shingles (dormant chickenpox virus) have been discussed for years. If Jim Bob or Michelle watched some educational television, read some family type magazines, perused the internet, or received health information from their state school system, they would have known those facts.

Yet another indicator that Jim Bob and Michelle think that knowledge discovered since 1975 is evil.

On a positive note, taking care of 12 ill children would be hard for anyone to do, even someone who did more with their children than Bible study, and carrying them around on field trips.

Nicole said...

Jinger and Jessa both emphasized that they encourage Grandma to NOT do laundry, and to just sit down and relax. It appears Grandma likes to help out. Some people's personalities are such that they can't stand to sit around and relax, they always want to be doing something, this may be Grandma's personality. My dad was like this, even in retirement. In addition, most people like to feel useful and needed, and Grandma may get a great deal of satisfaction from seeing a need and helping out. We can't assume that the Duggars are rudely overworking poor Grandma against her will.

ProudMrs. said...

I just knew while watching the episode that this blog would have lots of buzz over the shingles and juristiction comments. I was not prepared for the asprin comments on here, though. Without wathcing the show again, it seems to me the aspirin reference was one of those TLC pop-ups and not a comment from JB? I truly wondered if the TLC folks knowingly let stuff like that go without double-checking, since we know the pop-ups are sometimes wrong. I half expected to see a pop-up stating that a person CAN get shingles after having chickenpox despite JB's assurance to the contrary. And even if he did use the word 'aspirin', I've heard lots of perfectly intelligent people use that as a slang/generic term for any kind of Tylenol, Advil, etc. I'm prepared to cut him some slack for this one.

Cassandra said...

Did anyone else find it strange that Michelle is making her own "travel system" by putting that carseat on an umbrella stroller. I don't think that it's very safe. Don't they have the cash to buy a used, proper, stroller for their child??

Really? An Umbrella Stroller? said...

I was the most horrified by Michelle using that flimsy umbrella stroller (meant at best for a solid toddler, never for an infant and Definitely not for a micropreemie who is still fragile!)! How on earth did she think that piling that piece of junk stroller full of her precious cargo daughter in a carseat, with oxygen, pulsometer and wires and diaper bag and then CARRYING that whole contraption down two flights of stairs in a long skirt was an OK idea?

Is the woman brain compromised? I really think she has to be. She could have tripped and killed or seriously hurt Josie (and herself).

Why wouldn't she be living on the first floor anyway? Why would anyone think that carrying Josie down the stairs that way was OK? And WHY WHY WHY the cheap umbrella stroller? They have strollers that are now cheap that one can use for the infant carseat, to carry it safely.

This family makes no sense. Michelle is lucky everyone is alive with the care that she and Jim Bob provide.

Anonymous said...

I miss Jana.

Suzie said...

Nicole, the windows of Michelle's SUV are tinted, so Josie facing backward, even if Vit. D. did come thru windows (which it doesn't...I just checked with my doc when my blood tests came back abnormally low just last week). You need DIRECT sunlight, below the 40th parallel, about half an hour a day, to absorb a full day's amount and you absorb less naturally as you age. Bottom line, Josie is covered and Michelle turned on some lights in the SUV, then is shown driving off in a vehicle with TINTED windows. No vit. D. there.

Next:

"I heard it as caring for sick children was not usually Jim Bob's jurisdiction."

Actually, after watching it a couple times and making a correction (I missed where Jessa said "LITTLE"), she did say, "He's not used to taking care of LITTLE children" to which Jinger added: "They're not his jurisdiction."

Had nothing to do with them being sick; had everything to do with him caring for them AT ALL. That said, my previous post gave him props for being more hands-on with them than their biological mother.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't surprise me that the kids aren't Jim Bob's jurisdiction. I remembering watching one of the early specials where they explained the buddy system. Jim Bob said Michelle was his buddy.

Jess C said...

This episode was interesting to me.

I keep trying to find reasons to hate this family but keep coming back to the fact that they seem quite happy in comparison to many families (my parents for example) and seem to truly get along. I do see a lot of strange things (the umbrella stroller contraption nearly threw my off my seat!) and a lot of things that just seem to be said without a ton of thought (Oh, JimBob...)- but take into account that we all say dumb stuff, we're not all rocket scientists. That said though, I am concerned that the Duggars are not really taking into full account all that they are doing and have on thier plate. A still very fragile Josie, a brood of small children who I KNOW must be a handful (a far cry from the old, quiet, organized Duggar days), and older children who are blossoming into adults and need to be treated as such before they have a RUDE awakening. I think they are in WAY over thier heads with the show, tabloids, it's all too much.

I do give them respect for wanting to "do the right thing" and be Biblically literal Christians in this day, but the ignorance that used to be endearing is now coming off as weird. All this young ones are hearing is half-thought medical knowledge and thier parents being completely engulfed by the media and Baby Josie. That just can't be good for them. At least Josh had time to grow up as "normally" as possible and get out!

I do commend Michelle for staying behind and being so close and hands on with Josie, and do sense a sincerity in her mothering- but the other little ones, Johannah, Jennifer, and (ESPECIALLY) Jordyn probably have never seen this side of her due to them all being healthy at birth and passed to a helper. Ugh, they give me such mixed emotions!

Nicole said...

"Bottom line, Josie is covered and Michelle turned on some lights in the SUV, then is shown driving off in a vehicle with TINTED windows. No vit. D. there."

I'll have to watch the episode again to make sure, but what we saw was Michelle adjusting the air vents in the ceiling of her car, not turning on lights. I know they're air vents because I have the same SUV Michelle was driving. I don't recall seeing her turn on any lights in the car.

I think the voice-over they had going right then of Michelle talking about Josie getting Vit. D from sunlight didn't have anything to do with Michelle putting Josie in the car, they must have been thinking it was the right place for the voice-over because Michelle was taking Josie outside briefly and was shown covering her carseat with a blanket on the way to the car. That's what I got from watching this segment.

Anonymous said...

I usually like the Duggars but this was too much.

The stroller? That was dangerous and that thing looked so flimsy. They must be making some decent money from their show. Can't they buy a decent stroller?

Jim Bob's jurisdiction? That was so bad, I can't even believe they said such a thing. You are a parent. ALL of the children are your jurisdiction ALL of the time. The older kids are supposed to be giving you a hand, not being the parent.

MommaQ said...

The Picu uses the umbrella strollers all of the time because they are so easily adapted to equipment.

Anonymous said...

Oh my God. Are they serious? 1000 aspirin tablets a year? Have they EVER heard of the dangers of aspirin in children? Ridiculous! Also, JB's ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Really, the good thing about chicken pox is they won't get shingles later on? It takes 2 seconds to google that one, JB.

To me, the Duggars have proven to be even more naive than I previously thought.

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"Naive" is a KIND way of describing the Duggars.

Do the Duggars ever read ANYTHING except the Bible and fundamentalist christian books? How is it possible that someone in JB&M's age group do not know of the connection between aspirin and Reyes Syndrome or which comes first, the chicken(pox) or the egg (shingles).

AND these parents HOME SCHOOL, that is TEACH their kids? Wow.

Anonymous said...

Umbrella strollers are often unsteady and can tip backwards. A real stroller would've been the way to go for any child but for such a frgile baby and all that stuff? Get a sturdy stroller and make everyone's life easier.

I understand about saving money but some things you just need to buy. You can even get good strollers at the used clothing stores. They sell beautiful strollers there for a fraction of the cost.

The stoller thing was too much. It looked like it could've collapsed at any moment. Not to mention carrying it down the stair like that. I was truly scared for Michelle and the baby. I gasped when I saw her do that.

Michelle was adjusting the vents, not the lights. I also have the same vehicle and those are vents. I adjusted them all the time for my babies too.

Poor Jordyn said...

The saddest thing was all the kids standing outside the door, with Michelle and Josie inside.

Any other normally raised toddler or preschooler would be sobbing for their mother, to have her so close, yet so far! They could see her, but were not able to touch her or have her hold them. So, there were no tears from Jordyn, Jenny or Hannie, because their real mother is Jill, not Michelle. She's just a woman behind a door---a birth mother, but not a caring real mother, whom they long for, as MOST children would.

I really feel sorry for Jordyn, in particular, who seems to wander around aimlessly, gets picked up carelessl (and nearly dropped), bumps into things all the time, and seems generally neglected. She's only a year old, and needs her mother, but her mother has abandoned her, as well as the rest of the kids besides Josie.

Anonymous said...

OMG. Did I see a totally naked Josie in that episode? Total full frontal nudity, even in a baby...is that modest? I wouldn't even take nude pictures of my kids and leave them at the drugstore for processing, back before digital cameras~

I think those hypocrites don't know what the word modesty means.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

The shingles comment was bad information. Hopefully the kids are not getting too much bad information in their homeschooling.

Best moment was watching Jenny trying to get the trike on the slide. She had a plan, knew it would be fun and she was working hard to make it happen. Unfortunately, she needs to build up those little muscles first.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

Yes, Josie was nakie for a quick moment. I was shocked too. Plus we saw Jordyn in her diaper which we never see either. Good for you Duggars. Bodies are beautiful not shameful, especially in children. There is nothing cuter than a plump, dimpled baby butt in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Re: the hypothesis that the Duggars use Umbrollers to save $:

If JimBob is SUCH the 'savvy' business man as some here have claimed, coupled with the TLC gravy train rolling thru the Duggar Depot, how is it possible they are supposedly so strapped for cash that they still buy USED shoes and their micro preemie, who BARELY made it out alive, is relegated to a questionably safe (but, hey! It's cheap!) model of stroller?

Anonymous said...

Baby butts are really cute, but Josie's Vayjay? Seriously? On national TV for millions of viewers?

Shocking I say! Particularly for those modest hypocrites!

Really? An Umbrella Stroller? said...

Umbrella strollers are not meant to hold carseats, and there is probably some explicitly written caution regarding that. Add all the other weight of the equipment and that thing was too heavy and could tip easily. And then Michelle decides to carry it down two flights of stairs. I am shaking my head just thinking about it.

I still can't get over that Michelle would be so cavalier with this baby who could have easily died a number of times over the past few months. I wouldn't have pulled such a stunt with a full term baby who was a few months old and had good head control. Josie's head is still flopping all over the place and she could be SO easily injured.

Why doesn't Michelle understand the basics of childcare, after 19 kids?
(That's a rhetorical question)

Anonymous said...

I am hardly one to defend Michelle but I don't think she was trying to get vitamin D to Josie through any lights in the van.

What I understood was she knows that Josie needs it but she is very sensitive to lights so tries to keep her exposure to light right not to a minimum. I didn't think she was turing lights on in the SUV either, I think they were air vents that she was trying to adjust, as well.

Iliketheduggars said...

"And even if he did use the word 'aspirin', I've heard lots of perfectly intelligent people use that as a slang/generic term for any kind of Tylenol, Advil, etc. I'm prepared to cut him some slack for this one."

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Omg, thank you. That's the first thing I thought. My dad still uses the word "aspirin" for any pain reliever. We use the word "Motrin," which is actually pretty funny considering I'm the only woman in the house!

Especially if the aspirin statement came from a pop-up, I hope TLC corrects the mistake (if it was one) in future episodes.

Bubbles said...

There are potentially 6 people in the Duggar household which would be considered "safe" to take aspirin - Jana, John, Jill, Jim Bob, Michelle, and Grandma Duggar. If each of those 6 people took 4 aspirin per week (which is not an unreasonable amount), they'd use 1248 aspirin in one year.

I haven't seen the episode so I don't know whether they meant real aspirin or just used the term to encompass all pain killers, but even if they specifically meant aspirin it's conceivable that only the adults are using it and going through that much.

To iliketheduggars - Motrin is just ibuprofen, so it's for both men and women to use! Are you thinking of Midol, perhaps? That's a medicine typically associated with women's menstrual cycles.

I don't know many families who can prevent a virus from spreading throughout the house at least once in a while. Chicken pox is easy to catch and has a long incubation period so people can be exposed long before the first symptoms show up. I don't think it's fair to make it seem like the Duggars house is some sort of breeding ground for disease just because a lot of people live there...a lot of people put their kids in daycares with 50 or so other kids who are spreading even more germs around than the Duggar children are probably exposed to, not to mention how many germs kids are exposed to at school. My kids' elementary school has around 250 kids in it not to mention staff, so they're exposed to a lot of germs every day.

nccalgal said...

As far as the 1000 asprin pop-up is concerned, I wish TLC would stop with the pop-ups altogether. Most are trivial at best and exaggerated to the max, like the one regarding the amount of underwear that they took on one of their trips. The only way they could come close to that amount would be to include the number of diapers and pull-ups they would need and probably figured both a shirt or bra as well as the underpants for each person. Do we really care? When they showed Jana and John-David on their trip there was a pop-up about if the Duggars were stacked one on top of another..to emphasize how tall this building was; who would even think something like that?

Reality TV Junkie said...

About the "1000 aspirin tablets a year" pop-up, I can be almost 100% sure that was a mistake. Perhaps it was an accidental extra zero. As a joke I will say this: Maybe Michelle uses them to help with headaches, so she can "do the deed" with her fellow hubby Jim Bob.

Also about the "naked Josie", I did see that too, but it was only in the pre-commercial scene that always happens before the commercials come. In the actual episode after the commercials are over, the only scenes were of her in her diaper. I didn't actually find it a big deal though because no one should ever look at a child sexually. If that was a matured adult or teenager, of course, that would be a massive problem. I don't think it matters too much if it's a baby.

Anonymous said...

I feel most sorry for Jordyn because she barely even knows Michelle. I'm glad she has such loving sisters but a child nees their mother. Does she even recognize Michelle?

I think there is a huge difference in how the older ones were raised and the younger ones. I do believe Michelle had a handle on things years ago. I do believe that they started out on the right path. Now? I feel that it has gotten out of control and they have lost their direction.

The kids are in a loving family and I'm glad for that but it's sad that the older sisters are "parent substitutes" for the younger ones.

Anonymous said...

I just did the math on the 1000 aspirin tablets a year..that's 5 a person per month..That's like a headache every two weeks..That is not a lot

Anonymous said...

I'd need 1000 aspirins a year too if I had to live with 20 other people.

Anonymous for Josie said...

Doesn't matter whether no one SHOULD look at a child sexually, obviously people do, or there wouldn't be a huge child porn industry.

For people who won't even let their daughters wear a normal modest one piece bathing suit (opting instead, for "Modest Wear", which looks ridiculous) and shout NIKE at cleavage (except Dolly Parton, of course), they sure are cavalier about births and vaginas (even Josh staring in at his wife's during birth, which is normal, but not for millions of TV viewers).

I wear pants and my kids go to college, but I would NEVER, ever allow my naked baby on a tv show. In fact, I wouldn't even put a picture of my naked baby in a photo album. It just isn't appropriate, and it sure isn't modest.

Anonymous said...

"I just did the math on the 1000 aspirin tablets a year..that's 5 a person per month."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wonder how many aspirins are for Mrs. Duggars' "Gee, not tonight, honey, I have a headache...".

Kitten said...

I don't think it matters too much if it's a baby.

The only two reasons it matters AT ALL is 1) the Duggars have never once stated that different rules apply to their infants, and they are pretty clear about the "covered from neck to knees" philosophy they adhere to, 2) it was on NATIONAL TV, and will be available essentially forever. Even naked baby pictures (which I'm not particularly fond of, BTW), are generally kept within a family, not displayed for the entire world.

The Duggars appear eager to dispense with their "principles" (naked babies, Michelle's "mommy skin" stomach, wearing shorts in public) when a high enough dollar amount is attached to the act.

Anonymous said...

I stopped reading those pop-ups a long time ago. They're stupid.

love the duggars said...

Hey Bonehead...why do you suppose Michelle didn't just carry the baby downstairs to the stroller, in her very own arms? Seems to make more sense to me, than lugging the baby in a stroller!

Anonymous said...

"Wonder how many aspirins are for Mrs. Duggars' "Gee, not tonight, honey, I have a headache...".

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With 19 kids, the answer to this question is: "not nearly enough".

Nicole said...

"Hey Bonehead...why do you suppose Michelle didn't just carry the baby downstairs to the stroller, in her very own arms? Seems to make more sense to me, than lugging the baby in a stroller!"


Carrying Josie downstairs in her arms probably isn't as simple as it sounds considering that Josie was tethered to an oxygen tank and pulse oximeter machine, which Michelle would have had to juggle
while holding Josie, which wouldn't have been safe either. Putting Josie in the car seat and carrying it down to the stroller, you also have the problem of where to put all the paraphernalia while carrying the car seat. Putting everything on the stroller and then carrying it down wasn't a bad idea, really. I would have considered the same thing, what I would have done differently is I would have had someone walk down in front of me to help steady me and catch the baby if I stumbled. With the various camera crew around, there surely was someone to help with this, it bothered me the one was just walking behind her filming the whole thing. And, as any mother knows, if you fall while holding your baby, you instinctively contort your body in any way necessary in order to protect the baby, even with harm to yourself. Michelle definitely approached the situation with confidence in her ability to get Josie and all her gear down safely all by herself, which she did.

bonehead said...

To Love the Duggars, I agree with you, but it would have even been better if she had just moved downstairs, since she and Josie were the only ones in the house. It does not make sense to carry a fragile baby up and down 2 flights of stairs and become a safety issue or a accident waiting to happen. And as I posted earlier, why did they not move Michelle and baby downstairs before they left? Or why could not Michelle move herself or had the camera crew help? Questions that will never be answered. Only, one thing I can think of is, that everything is set-up, why move it. To make life easier and safer? JMO

Jana fan said...

Michelle could have put the oxygen tank (which is small) and pulsometer thing in a shoulder bag or backpack, and held her daughter as she walked down the stairs. She could have moved the stroller (poor one that it is) and the carseat downstairs first, while leaving Josie upstairs in her bassinet. Then she could have gotten Josie and the backpack of tank, etc, and walked safely down the stairs.

But I don't expect the Duggars to do anything safely, so this was just par for the course. I consider it miraculous that nothing catastrophic has happened to any of them, considering the dozens of serious safety infractions.

Lorelei said...

The only thing that I can come up with as to why Michelle chooses to carry Josie and her equipment up and down stairs (which I agree does look dangerous)is the possible safety issues of being on the first floor of the home. The rental house is in a much more urban area than their real home and has more people walking by the home, so maybe Michelle felt safer up stairs. Especially if they rarely leave the home given Josie's condition, it makes sense that Michelle would want to stay in the safest area of the house.

Anonymous said...

Especially if they rarely leave the home given Josie's condition, it makes sense that Michelle would want to stay in the safest area of the house.
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But if that were the case, then wouldn't it still make more sense for Michelle and Josie to stay on the ground floor. If an intruder did break in, then she could grab Josie and dash out the back door while calling 911 on her cell phone.

If an intruder broke in, she'd be stuck upstairs, having no easy exit from the home while waiting for the police to arrive.

I actually just think it was lack of common sense. When I heard how she carted Josie plus all the equipment in one trip, seems an amazing lack of common sense. That's an accident just waiting to happen. She's not the brightest bulb in the box.

bonehead said...

It also would not be the safest area in the house being upstairs. In case of a fire Michelle and Josie would be trapped up stairs. And knowing Michelle she would most likely try to take a stroller down 2 flights of stairs in a fire, she would not make it out of the house. Don't forget the oxygen for Josie is flameable. on the first floor she can go out a window or door, very quickly. And yes she is not the sharpest pencil in the box.

Anonymous said...

Quit pushing those baby hats/headbands/flowers. Product placement. NO WAY to they get those at thrift stores – they’re too trendy right now.
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I would have to disagree..it is trendy to stick a 6 inch wide plastic flower glued to an ugly tight itchy band on a little baby's head? Not in my area it isn't. I wonder if it is a southern thing. I have never seen a kid up here in the midwest with one of those fugly things stuck on her head.
Thank goodness!

Carla said...

"And while we’re at it, won’t anyone ever ask them why they went from ridiculous prairie clothes to normal-but-modest wardrobes that had been just as available before?"

I suspect hanging with the Bates was like looking in a mirror and they realized how ridiculous they looked. You really can be modest without looking like a clown or Dollywood employee.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
Michelle seems a bit bored/overwhelmed by the full-time baby-mama thing. It shows just how little she really does with her babies now that so many older children take everything on. They might have taken it too far. I too was disturbed by how little the babies seem to miss her. Same for Jim-Bob’s work, which he’s been absent from for months. I guess the older sons are on duty? It’s good training and all, but seems strange that you can be gone that much from the job that is essentially yours.
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I agree with you -- I think JimBob and Michelle have been essentially absent from what used to be their primary jobs (or jurisdictions, if you will). Michelle used to be a hands on mother, doing the actual teaching, caring for and raising of her children. But that applies mostly to the older children. The younger children have basically been raised by their older sisters. Michelle has a baby, cares for it for roughly six months (and even then, I bet the sisters step in and do a lot of the changing, bathing, etc.), then she was used to passing that baby off to the older girls, to sleep in their room, and to be cared for and raised by them.

This time, she can do that on a very limited basis. Josie's immune system won't allow her to pass her off into the girls' dorm room. Her other option would be to take one of the older girls to act as personal nanny to Josie, but then that would only serve to increase the already full workload of the other older girls (not to mention poor Grandma Duggar, who apparently is on full time laundry duty!). It must be very frustrating for Michelle that she can't parade Josie around under her breast friend tent and has to be somewhat isolated.

As to JimBob, the older boys have definitely assumed his already very basic job requirements of managing their rental properties. He doesn't do much quite frankly, and never has since the show began airing. He was a pretty hard worker when a younger man, but his paunch is revealing that as he's aged and gotten used to passing the work load off on others, he's getting a bit lazy.

I think they finally realized that many people, even some of their fans, found it unappealing that he and Michelle thought they could continue with their public speaking tour and leave Josie at home with a nanny/sister. Probably had a hard time understanding why that might be considered wrong though.

Anyway, the fact that they've been absentee parents yet the household runs just about the same without them, speaks volumes about what they don't do when they are actually around.

To be honest, I hope Josie's immune system improves greatly soon, so she can join her brothers and sisters. I think she'll find more warmth, love and attention from her sister moms than she will from either JimBob or Michelle.

I was very sad to hear that the children weren't allowed to be comfortable and cozy as possible when they were sick with chickenpox. Those poor kids - but it seems like JimBob puts the television show before his own family. I don't consider that the Christian thing to do.

Anonymous said...

"... The younger children have basically been raised by their older sisters. Michelle has a baby, cares for it for roughly six months (and even then, I bet the sisters step in and do a lot of the changing, bathing, etc.), then she was used to passing that baby off to the older girls, to sleep in their room, and to be cared for and raised by them.

...he and Michelle thought they could continue with their public speaking tour and leave Josie at home with a nanny/sister. Probably had a hard time understanding why that might be considered wrong though..."

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I agree.

Maybe if Michelle Duggar, like too many women, had to try very, very hard to conceive, and then suffer through many miscarriages, each time hoping upon hope to carry this fetus to a viable stage, she might actually appreciate a baby as much as her rhetoric implies.

They have 19 kids. The fact that she is so cavalier about leaving to her daughters the care of Johannah, Jennifer, Jordan, and even Josie pretty much ruins her credibility about those tears at the thought of a miscarriage 20 yrs ago.

The Duggars SPEAK one thing (how much they cherish each child), yet they are far too willing to leave their tiniest, neediest little ones in the care of others while they hit the road.

How much sense could it possible make that 'god is deciding' to bless the Hit-The-Road Duggars with an inordinate # of babies, while letting other couples, who so much want to have children, and who would dedicate themselves completely to a child if they could conceive and carry a baby, infertile?

And please don't tell me "we can't understand god's plan" - this is meaningless nonsense.

The Duggars happen to be very fertile and it is THEY (by refusing to use birth control when, after 20 pregnancies, they KNOW their own likely outcome of unprotected sex) who are deciding to continue their babython. God has nothing to do with this.

Carla said...

"I would have to disagree..it is trendy to stick a 6 inch wide plastic flower glued to an ugly tight itchy band on a little baby's head?"

I live in the south and haven't seen the trend, but it does seem to be a trend up north. That chick on Housewives of NJ puts a flower hat on her kid that is bigger then the poor thing's head. Yes, I watch crap tv :-(

They look incredibly uncomfortable and way to hot in the southern south. Sorry, nothing cuter to me then a fuzzy head. No flower is gonna top that.

Anonymous said...

I have wathced and like the Duggars for years but it is disturbing that the four or five youngest don't have a "mommy-bond" with their mother.
I really feel sorry for the older girls - can you imagine how TRAPPED they must feel?

Anonymous said...

"They look incredibly uncomfortable and way to hot in the southern south. Sorry, nothing cuter to me then a fuzzy head. No flower is gonna top that"
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Gotta agree with that one. Leave those uncomfortable rubberbanded SUNFLOWERS off the heads of sweet, innocent babies. Let the mom sport one if she wants, but leave the baby be.

Anonymous said...

Well, if the trend isn't in the south, or in the midwest,or anywhere regionally, maybe it is just a fundie trend? If you look at the Bates's picture, all the girls under about age 14 wear big bows on top of their heads too.

Anonymous said...

Re: the big flower/bow thing-

Maybe it's not a trend so to speak, but just a subtle way of defining "I'm a girl." Personally, I would simply dress the child in traditional pink or blue. Besides, many babies would tug at or rip such a thing right off the minute they could. I bet Michelle just saw it & liked the look.

-Katydid

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I subbed in a public school yesterday, kindergarten and two of the girls were wearing large flowers on the top of their heads. This is not uncommon for young girls to want to dress up. There were some others who had bows and ribbons in their hair. I thought they all look nice. One girl had french braids in the front of her head and she looked very cute.

Anonymous said...

"And please don't tell me "we can't understand god's plan" - this is meaningless nonsense."

I agree. It's like they never heard "What you are is a gift from God - What you DO is your gift TO God."

I don't really care what they do as long as most are healthy (even if they shelter their kids too much for me - the hill will be that much tougher to climb once they're grown and have the freedom to choose for themselves like anyone else, but they'll have the option). But hearing them say they're ready for #20 when Michelle could have died with #19 and saving her meant risking the baby? Man... those are a LOT of kids to leave without a mommy... I don't really get why that vision doesn't hit home hard enough to realize "we've been so lucky to have many... let's focus on raising more than breeding now."

When you believe each kid is a personal gift from God and a sign of his approval, shouldn't the fact that it took 19 kids and 47 yrs of age to experience the Josie situation be a peaceful (and not so subtle) sign from God that it's time to switch gears?

Anonymous said...

I'm in NJ and I've never seen any baby wearing any large flowers or headbands with large flowers on their heads.

I truly thought it was something the Duggars actually make, like a craft. Get a headband and glue a big fake flower on it.
People sell those things???

I like some ribbons and stuff on a baby girl but it should not be bigger than the baby's head!!!!!

joyruns said...

I'm not a fan of the headbands, but I do like the little knitted caps with the flowers on them.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is actually 43, almost 44, not 47 years of age. Although she has shown astounding fertility, it should be waning very soon. I'd be surprised if they had another, and if so, I wouldn't think they could have any more than that even if they wanted to. Fertility drops dramatically every year at her age.

Snap! said...

Michelle will probably have a few more babies. I agree that after Josie and all the health problems- 19 is enough. Most women have fertility issues in their forties but some women are fertile until they are 50. My mother often spoke of a few aunts that had babies at 50. They used to call them change of life babies.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure fertility wanes in your 40s but I wouldn't say that procludes Michelle from having more. It's the decision to let God decide that bugs me at this point when other, life/death factors are involved. Of course, it's none of my business and I'm sure I'd have plenty to criticize my downstairs neighbor's way of raising kids as I do the Duggars (and vice versa, i'm sure!). It just saddens me to see someone choosing to risk their life as a parent responsible for 19 kids (so many still young)to have yet another child (who is also endangered by the situation). God may not give you more than you can handle (meaning he may not drop a locomotive on your head), but that doesn't mean you won't get flattened by a train if you choose to throw yourself right in front of it, either! Just saying...

Anonymous said...

Those hats/headbands are all over the stores in the MidWest, especially in kid-friendly salons. Must have been started by a local. They're not itchy but soft. Not sure a delicate preemie should sport one, though. I just had a problem with the product placement part of it since they're too new for the Duggars to be "buying used and saving the difference". Still, not as much of a splurge as are the unending iphones in that household.

Am I the only one who thinks MAYBE the show's profits should be invested in one trade-school certificate for each child? Seems like that would 1) Keep them busy, 2) Keep them useful, 3) Give them the ability to provide for their own family down the road, and 4) Provide the opportunity to use it to save up for any further higher education they might be interested in... The Duggars depend on dentists, doctors, mechanics, paremedics, nurses, administrators, contractors... why aren't their children encouraged to find a trade to get a job with? Someone enlighten me, PLEASE!!!

bonehead said...

Snap: My mother would say that she was told by a nurse that she was too old to be having a baby at 35 decades ago, because of all the things that can go wrong or a baby born with mongolism(as it was called back then) Michelle and all the modern day moms are lucky cause even 45 is not consider old any more. But to put ones self through that process cause of a belief, that may not have been their own, idea at first, to follow a thinking, that could possibly affect your health is goofy. Sorry, that is how I feel, cause I think of the other kids, not having a mother around, just cause mom is addicted to pregnancy and getting out of the work of raising her kids. Just like the parents who ship their kids off to boarding school(saw a show on BBC America last night) so they don't have to raise them. What a world.

Snap! said...

I think Michelle seemed much more with it and involved with her kids when the specials started. They had 14 kids. After that she seemed to accept that she couldn't possibly raise all the kids and gave most of the childraising responsibility to the older girls. The 3 little girls before Josie do not seem very attached to Michelle. I always thought their goal was 20. I'm 45 and have 2 kids- I couldn't imagine getting pregnant at this age- but that's just me.

mythoughtis said...

I just watched this (a week late). It seems to me that I heard them say that first Johannah came down with them, then there was a big road trip (presuming this was the film and the Bates trip), and then they got home and 11 more kids had them. Given that the normal incubation period is 2 to 3 weeks... this means that they exposed everyone they came into contact with on the road trip. way to go, Duggars. Hope no one you came into contact with was immune depressed from cancer treatments, etc.

Donna said...

Am I the only one who thinks MAYBE the show's profits should be invested in one trade-school certificate for each child? Seems like that would 1) Keep them busy, 2) Keep them useful, 3) Give them the ability to provide for their own family down the road, and 4) Provide the opportunity to use it to save up for any further higher education they might be interested in... The Duggars depend on dentists, doctors, mechanics, paremedics, nurses, administrators, contractors... why aren't their children encouraged to find a trade to get a job with? Someone enlighten me, PLEASE!!!"

Good comments and questions. I, too, agree that each of the children should be entitled to a share of the show's profits. Hopefully, each of them would have their own account set up and a portion automatically deposited in it. Some sort of higher education (trade school or more) should be offered to the children. While I don't know "for sure" what the Duggar parents are thinking or what their wishes are for the kids, I would think that they do want them to be self-sufficient, but in all truth, the older girls are needed for many more years to raise the younger siblings.

I honestly do NOT think that Michelle has the stamina or strength to do it by herself with or without Jim Bob. I don't think that Jim Bob is capable of handling the gruntwork of running a household; he leaves that up to his older girls or his mom (not Michelle - because she is as burned out as he is).

What's done is done (can't go back and undo 19 children), but what they can do is realize that their "beliefs" are causing a whole lot of work for other people. They just make the babies and the older girls get to raise the babies. The older girls, especially, will be waiting a LONG time to start lives of their own due to their parents selfishness. The higher education that they should be getting right now is already passing them by; it is highly unlikely that this will be changing anytime soon. This is not to say that Michelle and Jim Bob can't hire a few people to do housekeeping, cooking, cleaning a few days a week to lighten the load for their kids, but if they did this, it would not jive with the ATI model that literally directs every aspect of their life.

You asked (nicely) in your last question to enlighten you. To be truthful with you, the Duggars follow the ATI/Bill Gothard model of living which pretty much directs every aspect of the parents' lives as well as the children's lives. I don't see higher education as being of utmost importance, especially for females. Their "calling" is to be "helpmeets" to their parents and future husbands. It's really not about "YOU", it's always about "others." I grew up with people like that (not ATI, but another legalistic type structure) and for the most part every single one of them has left that life behind and had to reconfigure all that they knew and believed in. That's what I see for some of the Duggar kids coming up in the years ahead. The train chugs and chugs and chugs on the tracks until it finally derails and that's the end of it. I honestly do not know families who were able to sustain such a strict model of living for more than one generation. What's sad to me is that some of my friends got involved with all the things that the Duggars are trying to hard for their kids to avoid, and they had to go through a lot of trial and error and making many mistakes along the way until they found themselves on their own terms.