Tuesday, Aug 3, episodes

As listed on MSN:

Digesting Duggars (9:30 PM)Doctors discover what is wrong with Josie.

From TLC: Doctors make a breakthrough with Josie when they determine the cause of her digestive problems. With the discovery comes relief when Michelle is finally able to bring Josie back home. Meanwhile, Jana and John David take off on their trip to Asia.

Duggar Dilemmas (9 PM)
While doctors struggle to determine what's wrong with Jose's digestive system, Michelle and Jim Bob decide it's time for the other children to return home.

From TLC: While doctors struggle to determine what?s wrong with Josie's digestive system, Michelle and Jim Bob decide it's time for the other children to return to their home in Northwest Arkansas.

115 comments:

Judy said...

Did they really name the episode Digesting Duggars? I just don't think I have any words for that!!

HIPAA Rights, Anyone? said...

In an age we all of now have medical privacy protection thanks to HIPAA laws, how sad (and unethical?) that Josie's parents are fine with sharing details of Josie's health status, including diagnoses.

Do the Duggars ever think ahead to ponder possible long term ramifications of making all this public knowledge, just to keep their show 'dramatic'? For example, how might Josie feel as she gets older, realizing the entire viewing world knows her medical history? What problems will exist for her in adult life as she attempts to get her own medical insurance with all this information so public?

Seems rather ignorant to me for parents to sell their child's medical information that, for the rest of us, is mandated by law to be kept private.

MWM said...

"Digesting Duggars"....that's a good one ! I often find the Duggars very difficult to digest. Whoever named that episode is spot-on.

Medical truth, Anyone? said...

HIPPA Rights, is RIGHT! As her parents, of course Jim Bob and Michelle can sell of their daughter's health history. But is it a good idea? I'd say no, because in the future, that health history is Josie's alone. If Josie has long term complications, would she really want the whole world knowing about them? As it is, I know a lot about her floating intestines, every six hour enemas, perforated bowel and "Lactose" intolerance.

It seems foolish that Jim Bob and Michelle wouldn't have considered the ramifications of revealing all of Josie's health problems, but then again, we know that they will only tell viewers enough to draw a large audience. The truth may not be any part of the episode anyway.

Anonymous said...

I can see why making Josie´s medical history the subject of a reality show is perceived as overly invasive. At the same time, I think situations like these really work to raise awareness about medical issues and family struggles that we usually don´t hear about. There are so many families that have gone down this difficult road with a premature birth --- hopefully some of them find comfort in knowing that they aren´t alone and possibly strength in watching how someone else deals with the problems that arise. Do these benefits compensate or make up for Josie´s lack of privacy? I don´t know.

Anonymous said...

While doctors struggle to determine what's wrong with Jose's digestive system, Michelle and Jim Bob decide it's time for the other children to return home.
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Typo in the original post. JosIe, not Jose.

mythoughtis said...

translation....

we've filmed all the episodes in LR we can, so send all the rest of the kids home now. Plus, it's summer, so Michelle doesn't need to teach, so she doesn't need to be with the kids. Plus, Jana and JD are going overseas, so JB will actually have to work some of his own property maintenance and we need Grandma Duggar and Amy available to watch the kids for Jana.

Plus, Josie might actually get released from the hospital and can't be exposed to the 18 other Duggars yet.

The episode synopsis implies they thought about the needs of the 17 other Duggar children when making this decision, but you know it was the points I made above that counted.

Anonymous said...

I wonder now that Josie is lactose-intolerant, that Michelle will be the one to provide a seperate meal when she is older, or if the older Duggar girls will be having to cook a seperate meal. I hope it's Michelle, just to make sure it's completely safe for Josie.

Celestie said...

I wonder now that Josie is lactose-intolerant, that Michelle will be the one to provide a seperate meal when she is older, or if the older Duggar girls will be having to cook a seperate meal. I hope it's Michelle, just to make sure it's completely safe for Josie.

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I think, it would depend on if there are newer blessings. Remember, Michelle, only attends to the newest infant.

Willow #1 said...

Truthfully, I would trust the older girls to get it right for special meals more than I would Michelle. I just don't see Michelle being able to handle too much that is "different".

Anonymous said...

Asia, wow! That will be such a great experience for the twins. I think that is amazing and will really open up their eyes.

bonehead said...

Asia trip sounds nice, but do or are the Duggar kids allow to mingle/socialize with the locals. Not just there to do work. I don't mean party. I went to the Duggar website and they said they are well supervised and spend their free time praying, not comparing notes or finding out about the country and people they are missioning in. Would not be an interesting trip to me.

Anonymous said...

Oh my! I just saw the commercial for the season premiere for the show, and Josie is beautiful! She is so big now! It's amazing! She looks a lot like Jordyn (with a breathing tube of course) and is so adorable. I can't wait for the episode!

Kitten said...

Well, I wondered, and yup, looks like from the promos that the TLC crew went on the Asian trip with JD and Jana. Wonder if that's why some of the blog posts talked about needing to remember why they were on the trip and needing to surrender their will to God? Maybe everyone got a little too infatuated with the cameras?

Anonymous said...

I saw the promos for the new season and was trying to think of why the kids would be crying. Then I remembered that Michelle's father passed away so I wonder if the TLC cameras made the trip to capture that private moment on film. Wouldn't surprise me with what they did when Jim Bob's father passed away.

Anonymous said...

Where did you hear the Michelle's Father has passed?

Anonymous said...

I read it on one of the Duggar blogs. I believe he died on June 18th. I am sure if you go back through Junes posts you can read it.

Suzie said...

Michelle's dad passed away on 6/18 (the day before my birthday, so easy for me to remember) and the funeral was in Ohio on 6/22. I imagine TLC will be on hand for all of it, but I wonder whether they'll tape the church appearance they made in Illinois (IIRC) on their way home the following weekend, because from the pictures I saw, the Duggars had an outdoor stage to perform on; it was a planned event, IMO, although it looks like they had to cut through a part of Southern IL on the way back to Tontitown. Still don't think it was spontaneous.

I wonder what JB charges for the gigs without M there to give her testimony? Also wonder whether if TLC will be allowed to bring cameras into the Vision Forum events wherein both gave speeches and M had her "tea."

Anonymous said...

One of those pop-ups said when they were moving back home, they moved 1500 shirts! That's 75 shirts per Duggar! (Being divided by 20, not including Josie). That's a LOT of clothing per person.

Anonymous said...

I noticed Jinger had her ears pierced.

Anonymous said...

Something already bothers me. Michelle said that Jana approached them about going on the mission, and she and JB said "That's a great idea, but you HAVE to take John David with you." Then in the next episode, she said "Jana approached us about going on this mission, and then John David expressed interest." That second statement is not the same thing at all, with reference to John David's "expressing interest" or being told he had to go if Jana went.

Anonymous said...

Just a thought...

As we saw in the episode, John David is a volunteer fire fighter. Do you think Michelle and Jim Bob would allow him to give mouth to mouth CPR to someone to save their life?

Safety First said...

Two glaring safety issues in these episodes:

1. The little Duggar boy playing BETWEEN the bumpers of two parked cars in the driveway....he was using his feet to push the car ahead while he sat on the bumper of the car behind. I don't even know where to start on how unsafe that is.

2. The Duggar toddler girl putting herself in the stroller in the living room of the Springdale house.....at first she was rocking the stroller back and forth and it was tipping. What if it had tipped over onto her? What if she had rolled it over her bare toes?

Does anyone supervise those children?

And on a separate issue, when the family was in the restaurant for Jill's birthday dinner, had to laugh when Anna was talking to the camera and Josh was in the background stuffing his face. He really has packed on the pounds.

Let's not over exaggerate first said...

What if she had rolled it over her bare toes?


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Um...it might have hurt a little, but she would have lived through the experience I'm sure. LOL

hannah said...

I havent watched it yet. I have other shows at 9/8c and this is repeated so often. How old is Jana now? 21? I dont think she should have to ask her parents.

Suzie said...

Josh looks like a chipmunk who hasn't stashed his cache of nuts yet. Boy, is he bloated. All the better for Mack to tug and gum on his face, I guess. That was hilarious!

JB & M's remarks about the Asia trip were beyond inconsistent. Beyond what's already been mentioned, JB also mentioned they had to travel "in pairs." Does that mean Jill or Jana have to accompany him on fire calls (being the only ones in the house >18)?

Also, JB's remarks about choice were ironic, considering their entire lifestyle is based on the teachings of a cult leader that gives them little latitude to lives their lives independently. Also, where were Jana, Jill and JD? I don't remember when the AR primary occurred, so it could have been after the twins left, but when did Jill get to vote? Rather show the younger ones who even JB admitted might not understand, show your progeny actually VOTING!

I cringed for Jordyn crawling into that stroller. And from the looks and captions read, it sounds like Hannie is turning into a raging brat. I guess discipline went out the window when the money came in.

On the positive side: Mack and Jordyn are just too adorable for words.

Anonymous said...

sorry. i meant to say should not.

Suzie said...

Oh, re the SE Asia trip I just noticed watching the first ep. of the west coast feed (I get both thanks to HD), Michelle says "Jana did some research and found [this trip]." I clearly remember in the second episode where someone (maybe Jana herself) says the opportunity was found through the "homeschool conference" and that several people there had "contacted her" about it. The disingenuous and/or ambiguous statements made, especially by the parents (I take Jana's story at face value; she's about the last one there who wants to "sell") to remain very bothersome.

As was the complete omission of Josie's "floating stomach/small intestines" when M. chirpily proclaimed it was just lactose intolerance. It's the stuff they leave out, or try to twist, that really bother me and make me wonder how can any Duggar fan defend these contradictions, especially knowing which answer is the truth.

Rock on, baby Josie! Jill will be a great cook for you until you're about 12 and can make your own meals for yourself.

Celestie said...

Note to JimBob: Our elective representatives do not "Rule" over us, they govern. Big, big difference. If your kids went to school, they would understand the election process, as most schools, starting in elementary, have student councils. Students of each class elect members to represent them.

I would be very sad, if they best thing my dad could say about me on my birthday, was "I was low maintenance." Jill was sorry she only has a year of being a teen left. What is with these people working so hard not to grow up, when they have so many adult responsibilities? It is a dichotomy.

Note: Jana cut JD's hair and packed his suitcase. Are these boys incapable of packing their own belongings? JD was telling us, his "parents wanted them to experience stuff." Good use of your vocabulary, JD!

Happy they found out what was wrong with the infant. Sorry Michelle had to put in so much time and effort with all that pumping.
And the Duggar beat goes on.

Cyn said...

Note to JimBob: Our elective representatives do not "Rule" over us, they govern. Big, big difference. If your kids went to school, they would understand the election process, as most schools, starting in elementary, have student councils. Students of each class elect members to represent them.
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Passing laws that most of the country are NOT in favor of can be and is being construed by quite a few people on the right as they are "ruling" over us instead of "representing" us.

As a right wing Republican(JimBob) this sounds about right...

Anonymous said...

Josie looks wonderful. Especially in the Today Show interview. Now we can stop hearing from some that she has a genetic problem. She has the big Duggar head like Jackson and Jinger, her eys look fine and has cute dimples. I also noticed she has pointy ears. I wonder if any of the other kids have ears like that.

nanookmama said...

Am I really going to be the first one to point out the ridiculousness of the 'lactose intolerance' Dx?

First of all, a lactose intolerance is EXTREMELY common in infants - why was this not investigated in JANUARY?

Secondly, wouldn't the safest thing for Josie be for Michelle to quit eating dairy? Then Josie gets lactose-free breastmilk which would include all the antibodies from the milk.

Thirdly, are they really saying that a lactose intolerance caused a perforated bowel, or do they think those things to be overrated?

I've always been a bit skeptical of the Duggar's unending praise for their medical team. If my pediatrician couldn't figure out what's wrong with my child for 6 months, I'd be FURIOUS! Especially with a preemie! Time is of the essence folks! Yes, some diagnosis take time and are only found by the process of elimination, but lactose intolerance is not one of them!

Ally said...

"Am I really going to be the first one to point out the ridiculousness of the 'lactose intolerance' Dx?"

The lactose intolerance Diagnosis was questioned at length in another thread on here. It was discussed when some form of media, either TLC or People Magazine announced Josie's second homecoming and Lactose Intolerance given as a reason for it, back about 3 months ago or maybe longer than that.

However, this was the first post in this thread, I'm sure of many that will discuss it again. A lot of people have a problem with the diagnosis, and I'm not believing it either.

I think some doctors just don't know what they're doing and lack the ability to form a diagnosis for anything that isn't common. Josie definitely isn't a common case, but the doctors probably won't admit what they don't know what they are doing.

Anonymous said...

I think there may be more to it then just a lactose problem. Why is she still on oxygen? Is it because of hernias or lung damage? I think the Duggars should take Josie to different specialist and get another opinion on her overall condition.

Notice at the end Michelle had some help. I wonder if the driver was a body guard and the lady a nurse. If that's true I'm glad the Duggars are using their money wisely and not just throwing it all into another vehicle.

Jana fan said...

Oh gee. Where to start?

1) Josie is a beautiful baby. Whether she will "catch up" by 2, or not, remains to be seen. But she is doing well, regardless of the absurd dx of "lactose intolerance", made after six months. It's implausible to the point of ridiculous.

2) Michelle is no mother. I felt so sad for all those toddlers and preschoolers at home in Tonitown, and Michelle's cavalier attitude ("THIS is where I need to be"). She only mothers infants, so that is why the rest of her brood is inconsequential to her.

3) Earth to Jim Bob and Michelle. Jana is over 20 years old. She could make a decision herself (anywhere but with you). Of course, you couldn't send her on the mission trip alone without her chaperone JD.

4) Scraping all the baskets and boxes along the wood floors in the rental home? Horrors! And the popups about the number of jeans and shirts was just a bit too much hyperbole.

5) Jim Bob being "too tired" or whatever to move the harp etc? And then too lazy or cheap to hire movers so he has to ask the crew? Puhleeze.

6) Hair accessories? Any sense of how that scratchy, tight thing must feel on a preemie's head? It makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

7) Josh looks 30 already. That's sad for a 22 year old (or is he already a whopping 23?).

8) Jordyn and Mack win the total cuteness prize. Adorable babies.

Anonymous said...

I was curious as to shy Michelle didn't just cut out dairy too. Unless there are other allergies too. My 3 year old cannot handle lactose either. I causes her to be constipated. Severe constipation can cause a perforated bowel. Especially in such a small baby whose intestines are already extremely weak.
You would think the Drs. could have eliminated the most obvious culprits first. She is adorable in the most recent interview. I hope nothing but the best for all of those kids...

Anonymous said...

I can't believe those doctors tested for Hirschsprung's Disease before even looking at lactose intolerance. What an embarrassment. I wouldn't be bragging about that medical team Michelle. They sound like a bunch of incompetents.

Judy said...

It's so sad that they expect their twenty year old daughter to be chaperoned by her twenty year old brother on that trip, and let's face it, that's what it is.

As for the lactose intolerance, I also don't understand why Michelle didn't just alter her diet?

re:rule over. I highly doubt that's what Jim Bob meant, literally. I just think he grasps for words at times.

Jen said...

Am I really going to be the first one to point out the ridiculousness of the 'lactose intolerance' Dx?

First of all, a lactose intolerance is EXTREMELY common in infants - why was this not investigated in JANUARY?

Secondly, wouldn't the safest thing for Josie be for Michelle to quit eating dairy? Then Josie gets lactose-free breastmilk which would include all the antibodies from the milk.

Thirdly, are they really saying that a lactose intolerance caused a perforated bowel, or do they think those things to be overrated?

I've always been a bit skeptical of the Duggar's unending praise for their medical team. If my pediatrician couldn't figure out what's wrong with my child for 6 months, I'd be FURIOUS! Especially with a preemie! Time is of the essence folks! Yes, some diagnosis take time and are only found by the process of elimination, but lactose intolerance is not one of them!
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No you are not the first. There was a long discussion here about it when the news first broke awhile back.

So I'll keep my comments short.

Secondary lactose intolerance (temporary intolerance) is common in infants and is generally "fixed" when their body makes more lactase the body made enzyme that digests lactose.

Primary lactose intolerance is not common in infants. This is were the body does not make any lactase.

Breast milk is high in lactose simple fact of it's composition. Having Michelle stop eating Dairy would not change the amount of lactose in the breast milk. Stopping Dairy will limit the cow's milk protein in the Breast milk which is why it is generally suggested for milk allergy. Milk allergy and lactose intolerance are totally different

Anonymous said...

Don't strollers have a little "parking brake" on them? Ours certainly did.
If the Duggars are going to allow a stroller to be left unattended in their living room with an unsupervised toddler, then at a minimum, put on the parking brake! Their lack of basic safety concern is appalling.

Jen said...

I enjoyed these episodes. We were able to see many different things about the family not just one topic or trip. I liked that.

It was nice to see Jana and John David's eyes shine with excitement. They seemed like young adults to me with the excitement of the fire call, staying up late with friends (even though Josh and Anna were family), and the excitement of leaving for a trip.

The blurb about how much clothing was being moved. Wow. That does seem like a lot per person. Wonder if it was a typo and if it wasn't I wonder why they have that much clothing per person.

Anonymous said...

How old is Jana now? 21? I dont think she should have to ask her parents.
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Well, she does have to get the money from someone.

Anonymous said...

How nice for Jill's birthday dinner at the restaurant, that JimBob could muster up such praise for his daughter...."She's low-maintenance".

Ouch.

winsomeone said...

"It's the stuff they leave out, or try to twist, that really bother me and make me wonder how can any Duggar fan defend these contradictions, especially knowing which answer is the truth. "

That's what bothers me too, and then when someone always points out "It's in their book," like the book is the always truthful. It might be in the book, but can every be trusted to be truthful, is what I always want to say back.

Jordan's feet in that stroller episode were just black on the bottoms..wonder how often those floors get scrubbed?

Gaby said...

I always hope that Michelle would give the younger kids Jordyn, Jennifer,etc a hug or show some type of affection but it never happens (Sigh)!
It seems that once the baby becomes one year old they are considered "old news" and the newest baby gets all of the attention.

Sweetpeas said...

First of all, a lactose intolerance is EXTREMELY common in infants - why was this not investigated in JANUARY?

Secondly, wouldn't the safest thing for Josie be for Michelle to quit eating dairy? Then Josie gets lactose-free breastmilk which would include all the antibodies from the milk

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No, it is very rare for an infant to be LACTOSE intolerant, breast milk is higher in lactose than cows milk. An intolerance for the proteins in cows milk is quite common in infants and can be addressed by the mother removing all dairy from her diet. Two very different things.

mythoughtis said...

JD has already given CPR to a small child - well docutmented

JD was not told to stay in pairs, he was told to watch over Jana. Jana was the one they were concerned for. Michelle plainly stated that Jana could not go on the trip unless JD went. On the other hand, I think it would be a good idea to go on a mission like this in pairs for safety.

msrylee said...

There is also a possibility that Josie's medical team know what is wrong with her, and the Duggars don't want to reveal her health issues. As they have in the past openly talked about enemas, perforated bowel, etc. there must be a very important reason for hiding the truth. (If they are truly not revealing the truth.) I can think of several reasons, but it would be speculation on my part.

Hopefully some posters would be able to tell us how much Josie would have to weigh, her over-all health condition, etc. to repair hernias and other abdominal problems. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Jana is such a lovely young lady. I feel so sorry for her. I do wish she would go to college or get a job and move out on her own. Why on earth is she still in this house?
At the very least I hope she will get married soon and move away so that she can get a taste of life outside of babysitting. (this goes for the other girls as well) It really is very sad to me.

nanookmama said...

No, it is very rare for an infant to be LACTOSE intolerant, breast milk is higher in lactose than cows milk. An intolerance for the proteins in cows milk is quite common in infants and can be addressed by the mother removing all dairy from her diet. Two very different things.

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Breast milk also contains the necessary LACTASE for a baby to digest the lactose. Cow's milk does not. That's one of the many reasons that cow's milk is so much harder to digest than breastmilk. The intolerance to protein, when found in a baby, includes the proteins from cow's milk and goat's milk and very frequently is accompanied by an allergy to soy as well (the #2 dietary allergen for infants).

Anonymous said...

While I certainly see some safety issues, such as children starting mowers with bare feet, I personally am not concerned with a toddler climbing into a stroller. My kids did that all the time. It's good for kids to explore and play without constant hovering and worrying. I feel that people have different parenting philosophies when it comes to what they will and will not allow their children to do, and one person might be seen as negligent and another as overprotective.

Anonymous said...

The Duggar family should take the time to read and review the safety tips at carsafety4kids.
After watching last night's episode where the younger Duggar boy was sitting on the front bumper of a parked vehicle and using his feet to push the back bumper of the parked vehicle in front of him, I cringe for the safety of those children. Oh well, as Michelle said in one episode, "Someone gets hurt around here every 30 minutes".

Anonymous said...

At least two, if not 3, of the Duggar children were wearing those "Heelys" shoes (with the wheels on them) in the parking lot when JimBob went to vote.

I'd like JimBob or Michelle to reveal which Thrift Store they got those Heelys at, since brand-new they are $50 a pair (at least) and the Duggars only buy their shoes at thrift store (an entire episode devoted to that subject).
Or perhaps, are they no longer "buying used and saving the difference" now that TLC is handsomely supplementing the Duggar income.

Anonymous said...

If Josie's anatomy is not quite right,then it could indeed be genetic,and not just from being premature.I can see the D's wanting to hide that due to M's advanced maternal age and the fact genetic abnormalities rise with age.

Anonymous said...

Ha...I was more concerned with how disgustingly dirty her feet were rather than the fact she was climbing on the stroller. Maybe she had been outside...hopefully. Those were what we call "grocery store feet". YUCK!!!

Celestie said...

On the other hand, I think it would be a good idea to go on a mission like this in pairs for safety.

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There was a whole group of young people on this trip, including one of Anna's sisters. Reading the blog, the group seemed to do everything together. They " together", ate together, stayed in the same hotel rooms, took walks etc. No one was ever alone it seems. I doubt every girl had a brother to watch over her. Or every boy had a sister to pack for him.

I did not see JD being excited, he looked like his usual dull self to me. I think this was Jana's thing and he was going along because his Papa told him he had to.
Yes, I'm sure she had to ask for money to take the trip. I have always thought, she does not have control over her own funds. Or even if she has funds.

Jen said...

"Breast milk also contains the necessary LACTASE for a baby to digest the lactose."
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Since Lactase is an enzyme made in the intestines I find this very hard to believe.

I also find this hard to digest (excuse the pun) as it is suggested on breastfeeding sites to add Lactase can me added to breast milk for temporary lactose intolerance

I'll change my mind if you can provide a creditable source.

Iliketheduggars said...

"Stopping Dairy will limit the cow's milk protein in the Breast milk which is why it is generally suggested for milk allergy. Milk allergy and lactose intolerance are totally different"

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Yeah, my guess is M just doesn't really understand, or they are making the explanation "easy" for the show. Sounds like she is allergic to or cannot digest the milk protein (even mother's milk protein) and is on that horribly expensive formula where all that stuff is mostly broken down for the digestive system already.

Not uncommon for premies, though, so if it's true, I don't understand why the doctors wouldn't have figured it out before. It's fairly easy to diagnose; just give them the smelly formula and see if they are better. Maybe Michelle fought for a long time to keep her on breastmilk?

Reality TV Junkie said...

Josh looks 30 already. That's sad for a 22 year old (or is he already a whopping 23?).
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Really, I thought totally different! I was actually saying how he looks more like a 16 year old. I guess it's his round face.

Suzie said...

Agreed. For a self-proclaimed, card-carrying "lactation specialist," that quack Arrington really dropped the ball on this one.

I also am curious why Michelle didn't mention the continuing issues of Josie's floating stomach and small intestines? Fans and detractors alike know about these issues? Why sweep them under the rug like they don't exist?

Oh that's right...Duggar Denial. It's a biggie.

Anonymous said...

Good shows but I can't stop wondering about what one of the boy's said as the camera was showing Jason coming down the stairs to go vote with JB. Whoever it was said, in a very serious tone of voice, "He keeps tickling my butt...."? The context is not clear but it was weird.

What do they know? said...

My son was on predigested protein formula called Nutramagin 20 years ago. At that time, no one "tested" him for milk allergy, but since he screamed from morning till night from birth, and the doctor moved him to this very expensive formula before he was a month old.

I CANNOT believe that qualified doctors of a premature baby would not put a baby with digestive problems on the predigested protein more quickly. It doesn't require vast and expensive or invasive testing. You just try the baby on it and see how it goes.

I think that Josie's doctors have no idea what they are talking about. Their incompetence seems scary to me!

Anonymous said...

Two comments on last night's shows:

The older Duggar daughters look downright depressed. They never smile or look happy about anything.

Do Michelle or JB EVER pick up, hug or even pat the head of Johanna, Jennifer or Jordyn? I don't think I've seen either of them cuddle or pick up anyone except Josie.

bonehead said...

About Jana asking to go on that trip, is probably because JB holds the purse. Perhaps the Duggars put all of the money the children and they get into one account, then give to them, what they think they need or want. So, basicly they have no money to call their own. A lot of families do that. You give your paycheck to the oldest member and they give you an allowance. A general pot if you like. I don't care for that kind of thinking. What I earn is mine, not my parents, or grandparents, aunt or uncle, etc. but mine. That is probably why the girls don't shop very much. Wasn't that mentioned in one of the xmas episodes that each person was give a certain amount of money, to spend on a persons xmas gift?

Anonymous said...

The saddest thing about the first episode was the fact that Jana was not even allowed to consider going to Asia alone.Here is a 20 year old woman who had to ask her parents first(which is sad in itself) and then she could only go on the condition that her twin brother go too. Poor Jana. I guess the thing that bothers me so much is that the Duggars truly believe in their Faith,which most of us Christians do, but if they believed in it and believed they are raising good, Godly kids, then why does Jana need her brother to go and essentially play chaperone? Although this was never said, you know this is the case since they are never allowed to go anywhere alone. JB and Michelle should be able to trust that Jana wouldn't do anything wrong because they raised her. What's to say that JD being there would stop her if she wanted to? Or that she would stop JD if he chose to do something un-Duggarlike? The fact is most kids will make a bad choice along the way. On the second episode Michelle said that JD asked to go. This is simply not true according to what had already been said. I like the Duggars but sometimes I don't understand their logic.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

I didn't see it as Jana asking for permission. She was respecting her parents by talking to them about it and finding out how they felt about it.

And having the son go with, I see nothing wrong with that. It's dangerous to travel overseas at a young age like that or any age. I know she was part of a group, but it doesn't hurt to have someone with you that you know and trust with your life.

Anonymous said...

As a fellow mom of a preemie that was also diagnosed with lactose and milk issues at around the same age Josie is now, both can show up later and not be obvious at birth. Other health issues can mask them or sometimes not become an issue until the child is at a certain age. So while lactose intolerance/milk allergy might be common in preemies/infants its not always obvious or easy to diagnose in all cases.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said it is dangerous to travel overseas at a young age like that or any age. As a world traveler it is not dangerous. I traveled overseas alone at age 18, I have been traveling and exploring other countries by my self ever since. You learn alot by traveling alone and you learn to be more self confident, you do have to use common sense and beaware of your surroundings, yes it would be dangerous for someone as sheltered as the duggar kids. For someone else whose parents raised them in the real world ir is very safe and one of the best things to do in the world.

Anonymous said...

I believe the Duggars are a very close knit family. I applaud the parents for their concern over Jana traveling to SE Asia. I would have been disappointed if they hadn't shown concern. I watched the show and heard Michelle say Jana couldn't go alone and that John David would have to go. It could have been that JD expressed an interest in going on his own before the subject could be broached with him about going with Jana. We have no idea of the elapsed time between the filming of the episodes.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Two comments on last night's shows:

The older Duggar daughters look downright depressed. They never smile or look happy about anything.

Do Michelle or JB EVER pick up, hug or even pat the head of Johanna, Jennifer or Jordyn? I don't think I've seen either of them cuddle or pick up anyone except Josie.

8/04/2010 6:30 PM

Look in the past seasons - Jim Bob
is ALWAYS holding JoHanna. You can
tell she is a daddy's girl. I always notice because it is so cute.

Suzie said...

Anna's sister, Priscilla, who is over 21, was on the SE Asia trip. Why couldn't SHE, now considered a family member, be Jana's "chaperone?" From the pictures the blog put up, there were plenty of young men, not to mention trip organizers, who had been before and were older.

They also never went to unsafe or non-Christian places, other than the occasional foray to eat "weird" tofu every now and again. From the sound of it, they ate more American fast food in that month than I've had in 5 years.

Keep in mind that's illegal to "spread the word" in Indonesia, the most Islamic country, per capita, in the world. It's not politically correct, but the group was kept in the Christian areas and really didn't get much of a chance to really experience the country. They were well-protected; JD's presence really didn't matter; this was just another example of "Duggar Rules:" no kid can go anywhere (except maybe to the bathroom) alone.

Anonymous said...

There was a point in one of the episodes where I swear that Jordyn was calling out "mama, mama," yet her Mama was still back in Little Rock! I wonder if she thinks that one of the older girls is really her mom, since they have been the ones taking care of her for the past 8 months...or if she even knows who her mother is?

Anonymous said...

I wonder how JohnDavid truly felt about giving up 2 months income from his towing business to act as bodyguard for his of-legal-age sister.

He seemed more enthused at being called for volunteer firefighting duty an hour before departing, than he did for that mission trip.

Anonymous said...

There was a point in one of the episodes where I swear that Jordyn was calling out "mama, mama," yet her Mama was still back in Little Rock! I wonder if she thinks that one of the older girls is really her mom, since they have been the ones taking care of her for the past 8 months...or if she even knows who her mother is?
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You are right when you said Jordyn was walking around the Springdale house saying "Momma" but I took it to mean that she may have thought Michelle should have been there since the rest of the family was. Being that she is a toddler she has no concept of certain things so home to her means where is my mom.That's what I took it to mean.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

Ummm shouldn't we keep in mind that The Duggars haven't lived in the Springdale house in 6 months before complaining that Jordyns feet were dirty? I'm guessing it hadn't been mopped in well probably 6 months! We saw them cleaning but my guess is that it takes more than a day to clean a 7,000 sf home that has been all but vacant since December. Actially JD tracking thru thehouse probaby made it worse than vacant. I'm sure he wasn't mopping it by himself!

Anonymous said...

And yes I think Jordyn was looking for her momma. The girls were saying she didn't know what to think being in this "strange place".

Jen said...

"Notice at the end Michelle had some help. I wonder if the driver was a body guard and the lady a nurse. If that's true I'm glad the Duggars are using their money wisely and not just throwing it all into another vehicle."
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It was Michelle's high school friend. That is what the print said under her name when she first was seen on screen.

how ridiculous said...

I'm pretty sure that Jordyn was fine in the stroller. For one thing the TLC crew was taping her! They certainly aren't going to sit and watch while she falls out. Second, even if it did tip (doubt it!) or rolled over her toes...good grief, she will be fine! That's how kids learn. I'm not saying I would want any child to hurt themselves but I don't think climbing in a stroller is going to kill her. And there were 17 other kids in the house. At least one was probably in the kitchen and could see her. It is amazing to me how people spend all this time criticizing the Duggars! I won't be coming back to the site again. You all need to get lives!

Anonymous said...

I think it's sad when the responsibility for the safety of the Duggar children is left to the TLC crew.

Donna said...

In reponse to "you all need to get lives" because people think it is dangerous and irresponsible parenting to let your child play going in and out of a stroller or moving cars with bare-footed toes, all I can say is that you seem to be a person that glorifies the Duggars no matter what they do. To some fans, the Duggars are Quiverfull Supastars no matter what they do, regardless of how dangerous or foolhardy it might be.

Thankfully, most people know better. I know from experience that if you allow your toddler to play with the stroller (going in and out of it) the stroller will eventually tip over and the child will get trapped underneath or get their little hands, fingers, feet, toes, etc. pinched or stuck by some hinged part. Then there's always the possibility of cracking their head head on the ground which will necessitate a visit to the Emergency Room with stitches or an MRI checking for a concussion.

Pushing a several ton vehicle using a child's toes is asking for trouble in more ways than one. Not only can the child injure themselves, but another kid could get injured who happens to be in front or in back of the vehicle as it is being pushed forwards and rolling backwards. Yes, I know it is hard to believe how easy it is for these things to happen, but they do and when they do the parents will wish that they would have used foresight instead of hindsight. I say this as a parent of 26+ years. I have seen things happen in a split second. These things that the Duggar fans think are trivial or cute can be downright dangerous.

The same poster says that there are 17 people in the house who are aware of what is going on. It is quite the opposite. There might be 17 people in the house, that is true, but they are most likely NOT watching or keeping an eye on these fiascos because these types of things happen around them all the time and they have become immune to them. It is just "normal', everyday stuff to them. They see chaos and bedlam around them 24/7, thus a child getting in and out of the stroller or a child pushing a heavy car bare-footed means nothing. It doesn't raise a flag of "I better get out there and see what is going on." It means nothing until someone gets hurt. All it takes is just one time for something to go terribly wrong and for someone to get terribly hurt.

Nicole said...

" For someone else whose parents raised them in the real world ir is very safe and one of the best things to do in the world. "

This is a generalization that isn't true. There are dangers inherent in overseas travel, and non-overseas travel for that matter. I have a relative who traveled to Italy when she was about Jana's age, and was the victim of a violent crime that occurred the first day she arrived at her destination, that she still suffers repercussions from to this day. This is a girl who was raised in the "real world", and she was with several other people at the the time as well.

Obviously these sorts of things can happen to anyone anywhere, my point is that of course traveling to the regions Jana and John went to carries inherent risks. I think it's smart that her brother traveled with her to help her stay safe. Why not? I wouldn't want my daughter traveling by herself either if she had an alternative. It's a good experience and trip for him too. It doesn't mean they think Jana's weak or unable to care for herself. The fact is we live in dangerous times and there's nothing wrong with the Duggars wanting to be cautious. Is this something they deserve criticism for?

Cyn said...

As Donna so rightly put playing between two parked cars or hades even playing with ONE parked car is highly dangerous.

And since the Duggars have that nicely marbled floor all over their bottom floor climbing in and out of any stroller can result in a cracked head, blood every where, a trip to the ER and so forth.

All that said, I have let mine climb in and out of their strollers when we were in places like the park (grass), or in the front yard (again grass) when we were going to go for a walk. It's simply a matter of where the stroller is.

I haven't been able to see the episodes yet which is why I had for the most part been quiet on the safety issues...

Safety issues is where the Duggars and I part ways... I tend to be the one jumping all over them for the more gross safety issues (cherry picker 15yr old and a chainsaw anyone?)

Letting kids skate in the house or chase each other around is one thing, things that are CAN result in blood shed or worse though I can and will call them on...

Thank you Donna for so eloquently pointing them out.

Suzie said...

I re-watched the episodes in order to get a glimpse of rumored "cameras" placed around the compound (didn't see them), and noticed that Jennifer was standing in between said cars. She's not very far in, but she could have definitely been injured (severely, as the middle of her head, heightwise, was smack dab between the bumpers of those SUV's.

I also don't know what to make of Jennifer hanging off that tree branch that was high enough to be level to the camera lens saying, "Look at me, I'm upside down!" I don't know how she could have climbed up there without a ladder, but Hannie was also in the tree, behind her. The latter seemed in a safe position, but Jenny could easily have had quite a fall.

Will the cameraman risk his expensive equipment (and taping deadlines) to save the child? Even the sound guy would have the boom dangling behind him and likely not get to her before she hit the ground. I was an avid tree climber myself as a kid, but I wasn't hanging off huge branches 6 feet off the ground before my third birthday. Were JB, JD and/or Joseph ALL gone that day? Especially JB, who has been seen holding Jenny on many occasions?

Same goes for Jordyn. It appears that like other reality shows, the crew is "hands off" unless there is a catastrophic emergency or violent situation. I don't have kids and would not be a helicopter parent, but there is a line between letting kids be kids using common sense and letting kids be kids with no boundaries.

Ironic that the independence the little girls have now will be nearly gone by the time they're Joy's age and under total supervision by the time they are Jana's. Sad, really.

Anonymous said...

The lack of supervision is because Jill is the only one parenting the brood and she only has two eyes and two arms. She is constantly stopping fights, hitting, climbing, etc, but she can't do everything. No wonder the kids are running amok. Jill is just one 19 year old girl. She cannot be responsible for all those hooligans.

If Jim Bob and Michelle had so many kids that they can't manage to supervise them themselves, it is clear that they have to many. Well, it's clear to the viewers, if not to them.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars might want to take note that another "reality family" (real housewives, new jersey) had a scare in July when the mom left her stroller unattended with small children in it, and the stroller ended up in the country club swimming pool. Luckily no one was hurt, the children were rescued.

But the Duggars basic lack of safety is appalling and I predict someday one of those children is going to have a serious accident, be it in a stroller, a tree limb, hanging off the stairs, hanging off the basketball goal, or the worst: playing between 2 parked cars in a driveway. .

MamaWama said...

Jill is not the only Duggar watching the children. There are 7 people aged 16 or older. Most daycares will hire people who have high school diploma's and the Duggars usually graduate their kids at 16. So, by most standards they have 7 old enough to do childcare.

There are only 7 school aged children. Most day cares have way more than that to 1 teacher. Lets say Jessa watches the schoolers.

Jenny and Johanna are over 30 months so there could be as many as 8 in their class to one teacher. Let's say Jill has these preschoolers.

Jordyn could be in a class of 5 others because she is over 18mo. Let's say Jana just watches Jordyn.

That still leaves JB, Michelle, JD and Jinger as extra's by most daycare standards!

So, really the Duggars are more cared for, and have better ratio's in their home than any child in a daycare in our country.

It cannot be as hard as everyone imagines.

Safety First, peeps! said...

Jana helps with the kids too, but everyone else is so over childcare. The older boys are gone, running their "businesses", and Jessa and Jinger roll their eyes all day. They used to carry around kids and help, but now...not so much.

Jill is the family spokesperson, because she is the only one who tows the party line. God forbid they ask Jinger a question, because who knows what would come out of that girl's mouth.

And no licensed day care with proper ratios that I have EVER seen has appalling safety standards and poor supervision like at the Duggar home. A day care with even a fraction of the safety infractions would be closed down in two seconds flat. Kids are actually WATCHED, and interacted with. They aren't hanging from trees five feet off the ground, sliding down stairways, riding scooters in the house, standing between cars, hanging around construction equipment, or even climbing in unlocked strollers.

Bottom line, kids in day care are way better supervised and having much more educational fun than that mayhem inthe Duggar home.

Anonymous said...

High school graduates are 18, not 16 like the Duggar kids. Some daycares will hire with a high school diploma, depends on type of daycare it is, but I can't imagine very many who would hire a 16 year old.

I would much rather have my children in the care of a daycare center than the Duggar household. More supervision and actual teaching.

Anonymous said...

Why would Jim Bob and Michelle be considered extras when they are actually the parents. The children should be helping their parents not the other way around where the parents are helping the children raise their own children.

From what is seen on the show it is mostly Jill taking care of the kids. A couple of the girls even said Jill is good with the younger kids but she isn't so much.

Anonymous said...

Was it just me or did isee one of the little tree climbers take an unhatched egg out of a birds nest? Isn't that messing with God's Plan to put another living creature on the planet? I cannot believe TLC camera crew filmed that and let it happen.

Not ADramaQueen said...

I's so glad they are back in their house in Tontitown. I missed that place. It was nice to see Jordyn rediscovering the house and the kids able to go outside and do things other than climbing little trees.

msrylee said...

I wonder as well why JB and M are considered extras? They are # 1 and #2 in their responsibility to care for, and raise their little blessings. As for JD, he has his own business, so isn't available to care for his little siblings.

A licensed day-care would indeed be shut down if safety standards like the Duggars are enforced. I won't repeat the safety aspect as it has been posted many times before.

I also agree with the posters who have mentioned the wasting of God-given intelligence. IMHO, under-fulfilling one's potential is such a shameful waste.

Jessica said...

Did anyone else think it's sad that Michelle only said she'd miss Jana and not John-David? Has anyone EVER seen Michelle and JD interact? Sad. Run, John! Run to where you are appreciated! And take Jana with you!!!

MamaWama said...

You can plug in JB and Michelle instead of the girls as my pretend daycare workers. My point is still that there are many more adults per child ratio then the current day care standards.
I would personally rather see kids who get to be kids than the parents who act like helicopters. I'm sure any slightly dangerous thing gets put on TV for the wow factor.

msrylee said...

In a licensed day-care, the child-care workers are paid to care for and interact with the children. At the Duggar "day-care", if each of the care-givers sole responsibility was child-care, that would be wonderful. However, the young women blessings are doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, etc. while trying to keep an eye on the youngest blessings. Given the choice, I would choose a licensed day-care (after much research and consideration) than Duggar's day-care. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

Just because some parents take safety precautions does not make them helicopter parents. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other, there is a balance.

I guess I am happy that my house is a home and not compared to a "pretend" daycare center where there has to be a ratio of adults to children.

I guess many peoples points once again is that the older children should not have to be raising their younger siblings. If the older children are indeed considered adults then they should be out learning to be on their own. Some of those older children are not adults but should be doing more age appropriate activities instead of caring for their parents children.

If I truly saw Jim Bob and Michelle doing as much work as those older kids then it wouldn't bother me near as much but those older kids appear to carry a heavier burden caring for those kids than their parents. All we ever really seem to see is the parents always walking ahead of their brood hand in hand like some love struck teenagers. I would like to see them actually doing the things they say they do with their children instead of paying lip service in their interviews.

MamaWama said...

I was not trying to say that the Duggar house is just like a daycare, of course it is a home. I just wanted to show that there are many older people compared to only a few very small children.
Of course there are other chores to be done just like in any house, but once again there are many older people to do the chores.
Even if the older girls were on their own, they would still be doing laundry and dishes. I am glad that the Duggar children have been taught to have a servants heart and not to only look after their wants and desires. I see so many kids today who feel entitled, and have the "me first" attitude. It is refreshing to see young adults put the needs of others first.
Also many hands make light work. I don't think anyone is working as hard some people think. It's not ONE person doing all the childcare, laundry, dishes, etc.
I see Michelle working all the time. I have seen her teaching, cooking, shopping, and everything except sitting around eating bon-bons. I don't understand why people think she is lazy. If she was lazy, I'm sure the older girls would be resentful, but I don't see that in their faces at all.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Jessica said...
Did anyone else think it's sad that Michelle only said she'd miss Jana and not John-David? Has anyone EVER seen Michelle and JD interact? Sad. Run, John! Run to where you are appreciated! And take Jana with you!!!
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One word: Editing. A HUGE factor into what goes on TV. I'm 100 percent sure Michelle will miss both of them. Not all of the footage makes it to the screen.

nature lover said...

I agree, didn't God give that baby bird egg the gift of life to its parents. It seems to me the Duggars are messing with HIS plan. While I realize it was just a bird, it was still a LIFE put on this earth. I was truly disgusted that there was no supervision for that child to take it away from its nest.

Iliketheduggars said...

"Here is a 20 year old woman who had to ask her parents first(which is sad in itself) and then she could only go on the condition that her twin brother go too. Poor Jana."

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You know, I agree it is a little overprotective, but I don't think it's a brand particular to the Duggar family. Jana is the oldest girl; most parents are more overprotective with the oldest than with subsequent siblings, and more protective of girls than boys. If she were away at college wanting to go on a trip to SE Asia, they may have had the same reservations. And now that Jana has gone and come back without any problems, we may see her parents be less protective about overseas mission trips with her younger siblings.

I was away at school, completely supporting myself at her age, and still had some run-ins with my parents over what I could and couldn't do (when I was stupid enough to tell them, lol). I think that's just a difficult age for some kids and their parents.

Nicole said...

"Also many hands make light work. I don't think anyone is working as hard some people think. It's not ONE person doing all the childcare, laundry, dishes, etc.
I see Michelle working all the time. I have seen her teaching, cooking, shopping, and everything except sitting around eating bon-bons. I don't understand why people think she is lazy. If she was lazy, I'm sure the older girls would be resentful, but I don't see that in their faces at all. "

I agree with this, and have tried to make this point several times. We practice the "many hands make light work" principle around here too, and trust me, my daughters are not overworked. They have more free time in a day than I get in a week, and the only person overworked around here is me, which is as it should be. I've always suspected it's the same at the Duggar household as well. I don't see Michelle being lazy or taking advantage of her girls.

Steve knight said...

many hands make light work unless you have 20 people to take care of.
Who looks more tired Michelle or the daughters?
the trademark of the quiverfull/vf/gothard lifestyle is once the daughters are old enough mom pretty much just makes babies. Michelle does not look like a mom that is talking care of 15 or so kids. does she have bags does she look frazzled does she look worn out? she seems o have far more free time then most mothers of just a few kids. We have seen plenty of examples of her not working lately how man have you seen of her working in the last few episodes?

Iliketheduggars said...

"Bottom line, kids in day care are way better supervised and having much more educational fun than that mayhem inthe Duggar home."

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Maybe... but how much fun is "educational" fun, anyway?

; )

Anonymous said...

I have never posted - but am an avid reader of this blog. Just wondering if anyone else caught the shot when Jana is talking to the camer at a back of a van. Right inside the van are two cans of formula. I just found it weird since it was when the family was moving back to Tonitown and Josie was not yet on formula (or even going with them!) Plus it was normal enfamil, not a special formula that Josie would probably need. So who in the family would need formula? Isn't Jordyn old enough to be on regular milk?

Celestie said...

Also many hands make light work.

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When we were between our two sets of children, doing laundry and dishes for two adults was not a lot of work or very time consuming. Add two children (or 19) the work load more than goes up than x2 or x19

Reality TV Junkie said...

I just found it weird since it was when the family was moving back to Tonitown and Josie was not yet on formula (or even going with them!) Plus it was normal enfamil, not a special formula that Josie would probably need. So who in the family would need formula? Isn't Jordyn old enough to be on regular milk?
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I could have been formula for later use as Josie cannot digest lactose.

Anonymous said...

So who in the family would need formula? Isn't Jordyn old enough to be on regular milk?
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It may have just been the standard gift from the hospital; I remember always getting formula samples when my kids were born. Or, more likely, it was the beginning of the stash being put aside for number 20 in case he or she cannot drink M's "skim" milk..

Anonymous said...

I don't for one second buy the notion that the neonatologists caring for Josie were incompetent - odds are, these parents are incapable of understanding the medical information that is given them, and/or unwilling to air what they would surely consider "dirty laundry" on national TV. If Josie had a genetic condition or potentially life-threatening ongoing medical issues, does anyone really believe that the Duggars would want that made public knowledge? I don't for one second think they would want it known. It might damage their "image" or hurt their ability to continue to sell their life on national television.

I've worked in an NICU before, and never seen another group of doctors so dedicated, so professional, so competent in my life. Rather than 'only' a lactose intolerance, it is much more likely that Josie suffers from this as only one among many diagnoses dealing with gastrointestinal problems.

Time will tell - but the fact that the child remains oxygen dependent after all these months is a bad indication that things are not progressing nearly as normally as the family would want people to believe.

Anonymous said...

Maybe... but how much fun is "educational" fun, anyway?

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Done the right way, by smart teachers, "educational" fun is just that - truly fun learning. At a young age, children are literally like sponges, fascinated with the world around them.

What I find unappealing about the Duggar household is that it appears very unstructured. In the early specials, I do believe there was a strong structure to each day, complete with charts and time lines to guide the entire family through the things that must be completed each day.

Now, what I see appears much more chaotic and unstructured. Children playing roughly, without much supervision. School being taught while sitting on mattresses or catch as catch can. Michelle not interacting strongly with her children, but rather the older girls being in charge much of the time. It's a real lack of structure and what children truly benefit from is a good, dependable structure to their daily lives.

I think the comment was tongue-in-cheek, but it's also sad that some people think as soon as you try to teach children, fun must go out the window. The best teachers know that to truly succeed, they must engage the children in the process, make them want to learn more, listen and retain, find applications to their every-day lives -- in short, learn almost without realizing that they are learning.

I feel so sad for the Duggar kids when I see them sitting at their computer screens - so little interaction. Learning is probably quite boring for them. So few books to read, cookie-cutter approach to teaching them all, no matter their individual differences. Dullsville indeed. NO wonder they run around like banshees given the chance.

Anonymous said...

Who looks more tired Michelle or the daughters?
the trademark of the quiverfull/vf/gothard lifestyle is once the daughters are old enough mom pretty much just makes babies
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Good point. So many make a big deal of how Michelle never raises her voice, how calm she is with all her children, etc., but I find that only further evidence that she's not doing the heavy duty work of raising all those children. A normal mom does feel tired, gets cranky, and yes, even raises her voice to get the attention of children who have selective hearing at times.

I see a real trade off occurring in order that Michelle can present this perfect facade to the world, and I don't think the trade off is worth it.

Iliketheduggars said...

"I think the comment was tongue-in-cheek, but it's also sad that some people think as soon as you try to teach children, fun must go out the window."

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I'm glad people caught the tongue-in-cheek part. I am a former public school special education teacher AND a former homeschooler, so I understand the concept of fun in learning. I just have a pretty wide range of what I consider educational (comes from all those wonderful unstructured homeschooling years).

One thing I like about the Duggars is that we never see them whining about being bored... they are always DOING something. They are entertaining themselves and each other, even with something as simple as dragging the laundry upstairs. And that ability to be creative and entertain oneself is precisely the skill that is missing when children spend their lives in structured activities, always passively being "taught." Kind of like spending the day in front of the TV.

I see plenty of educational "fun" for the little guys. Happily I see a lot of regular old-fashioned playtime fun, too.

Nicole said...

In answer to the question, "who looks more tired, Michelle or her daughters?" my answer is neither. When do the Duggar girls look tired? A little bored at times maybe, but that isn't the same thing and, incidentally, that look isn't uncommon among teenage girls.

The "many hands make light work" prihciple means no one is overworked. Yes the amount of laundry, dishes, etc is multiplied by the number of kids, but the more hands that pitch in to do necessary chores means there is less work for each pair of hands to do. I suppose the definition of "light work" could be different for everyone. If my older girls spend a total of one to two hours a day doing chores (which really, it's rarely two, it's more like one), I don't consider that a heavy load. But I know others who require 10 or 15 minutes of work each day of their children and that is enough.

In our society, in this era, it is more common to have the problem of children not having enough work to do, not too much. I honestly don't think the Duggar girls have too much work to do. I think the bigger concern with them is if their freedom is limited. Are they given enough options to do things outside the home? I hope they don't feel that they can't have outside interests or activities because they are needed to help with the little ones all the time. My girls help with the little ones, but I'm careful that they know I'm not going to let it interfere with their outside activities and interests. Just by virtue of being homeschooled doesn't of necessity mean the Duggar girls don't have enough outside opportunities, I'm talking about other things. That's my concern with the Duggar girls, not if they have too much work to do in and of itself.

Celestie said...

The "many hands make light work" prihciple means no one is overworked. Yes the amount of laundry, dishes, etc is multiplied by the number of kids, but the more hands that pitch in to do necessary chores means there is less work for each pair of hands to do. I

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This doesn't always work. You have an increase in number of babies, toddler and the thundering herd of boys, but still only 4 older girls to carry the majority of the load. The thundering herd are putting away their pjs and folding socks, but not really contributing to the overall running of the house. I doubt Jennifer, or Jordyn are doing chores and in fact need care. More kids does not mean less burden on the oldest.

Anonymous said...

I don't think I have ever seen the kids talk about being bored but what I see the kids doing is a sign of boredom. Yes they entertain themselves by rough housing, jumping on each other, dragging things across the floor. That is because there is no structure or supervision. My kids used to entertain themselves a lot too but they were playing with their toys or coloring etc. not roughing housing with each other and being loud. They had fun but they didn't act like animals that had just been let out of a cage.

Cyn said...

The thundering horde of boys are also taking out the trash, cleaning up dishes after meals, picking up their own toys, helping with laundry, keeping younger sisters entertained (sometimes roughly), loading and unloading the cars/bus, school work (sometimes reluctantly), cleaning tops of food cans, opening food cans, organizing the pantry (I can't remember which boy loves doing this or I'd name him)...

Most of this list we have actually seen them doing, other things have been either discussed, or we heard Michelle calling for them to come do the different chores.

I don't see where the older girls are doing any more work than the rest of them are doing. They work in teams, the four girls are the heads of the teams but each team has 4-5 people on it when it comes time for chores and jurisdictions.

The chore packs I listed on a previous post(s) was a sample of the morning chore packs, they have 3 chore packs a day (younger kids), on top of the "quick clean(s)", jurisdictions, and other things... and yes even Jennifer is old enough to be helping and probably is.