Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 9:00 PM, Duggar Daughter Dates


It's a Duggar date day! Jill and her fiance Derick go on a romantic hike and picnic with chaperone, James. Meanwhile, Jessa and boyfriend Ben head out on a date to the shooting range with chaperone, Jason. How will these chaperones feel about their dates?


Cable description: Chaperoning the Duggar daughters' dates.

30 minutes

Ratings:  2.641 M viewers and a 1.1 rating.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Any couple planning to get married needs to talk about their expectations of intimacy.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's admirable if they don't want to have sex before their married.......BUT to not even talk about the subject at all ? And I don't mean "smut talk". I am referring to a meaningful conversation about physical intimacy.

That conversation must have never happened for Jill & Derick, nor will it happen for Jessa & Ben if all of their conversations are chaperoned before marriage.

It's sad really, to deny them the growth of their relationship before marriage. I feel sorry for Jessa & Jill.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous--I agree. I have to imagine that the wedding night could be frightening for Jill and Jessa. I only hope they found some book lying around to reference. I am also afraid they may not know what consent means. They were not brought up that way. What if they are scared or hurting, and the only option they have is submission?

Anonymous said...

who said that Jill and Derrick didn't talk about it before? That is in their personal life that no one but then should know about but I am sure they have talked about it after engagement.

Anonymous said...

Its sad and ridiculous to treat young women in this manner and prohibit their access to knowledge regarding their own bodies and health. I am sure with Jill's midwife training and experience she had a better understanding of "the mechanics" involved, and want to believe that Jessa has enough moxie to deck Ben if he expects submission.

Anonymous said...

Anon #2: What do you mean if submission is their only option? It IS their only option. Stupid Michelle preaches to them to ALWAYS be available to your husband and she doesn't mean for coffee. You bring out good points in your post. Anon #1, yes, I agree with your point as it is a very important topic to discuss and you can't do that in front of your 10 yr old chaperone or your parents.

Judy said...

I think the women in their world are told to submit to the man and let him have sex whenever he wants. Who knows if they even talk about the physical enjoyment of it all?

Anonymous said...

On another post-Jill revealed to Jessa that she bribed siblings to be chaperones with Scittles. So sounds like sibblings are not enthused to be chaperones.-even Jim Bob-in Nepal-said he felt like a third wheel. Also as some one mentioned-who pays for the chaperones-hope this is answered in this episode.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that they speak of their private physical relationship after engagement because even then, they aren't allowed to be alone at all. The only thing that changes is that they can hold hands..how can they speak of their sex life? This system doesn't even allow them to acknowledge that there will be one for they have to stay sweet and pure....bring it up with your parent the day before your wedding like JB and Josh. We didn't see Anna "get the talk" at all, so who knows, maybe the bride has to stay "sweet" up until they hit the sheets.

Anonymous said...

We'll they don't even use the word "sex ". They use gender which is different from sex. They don't find out the baby's sex, they find out it's gender. Two different things altogether.

Anonymous said...

But when would they have privacy to talk about it when every move and every text/phone call is chaperoned or watched?

Anonymous said...

Josh got a talk and a tape,book from dad Jimbob and I bet Jill And Jessa got the same thing but from mom Michelle

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:20, getting a "talk" about sexual intimacy from your parent(s) before your wedding night is not the same thing as having a meaningful discussion with your future spouse about expectations on that subject.
It's bizarre, really, that even as an engaged couple, your dates have to be chaperoned.
It's stunted emotional growth and a real disservice to those young ladies.

Rudy Tecat said...

Another shooting range? And, right after that video of the little girl and the Uzi killing her instructor at a shooting range? Isn't this a little insensitive?

Photography fan said...

Chances are good they don't know about that shooting incident.

Anonymous said...

I can't understand why you would have a child chaperone adults. Why can't the couples double date? I agree with the posts regarding a time to talk. How awkward do you think it will be to see someone naked for the first time without ever even talking about what is about to happen.

Anonymous said...

Watching James was the only enjoyable part of this episode, Jessa and Ben are so awkward and painful to watch

Anonymous said...

Soooo many thoughts, I just don't know where to start. I'm tired of hearing how "Jill & Derick" set the restrictions, that THEY chose just to hold hands. Yeah, have you seen them looking at each other? I don't think so. Sorry, 2 grown ups who are getting married shortly do NOT need a chaperone, simply ridiculous. And of course, Jill was "hiking" in her sandals LOL

Cheryl Vetter said...

I am not a big fan of Jill's new nickname for Derick- "babe". I don't personally care for this particular term of endearment, and it surprises me that this is an approve word for this family??

BLB said...

Jennifer looks so freakin cute in her glasses! Love the purple frames.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else catch some bad editing in this episode? When Derrick picked up Jill for their date, it stated "11 weeks until the wedding" when he entered the doorway, but during their picnic, he said it was the "best May 17th".... hmmmm, I don't think May 17 is 11 weeks away from June 21? All of this show is soooo staged!

taurus0385 said...

I really hope that these girls have enough respect for themselves that if their not feeling well or don't feel like being Intamate they can tell their husbands and be respected.

Judy said...

If they are always chaperoned, conversations and text messages always monitored, how do they have the really important conversations about family size, birth control, where/how they will live, support themselves, etc?

Tammy C said...

Maybe they have premarital counseling.My husband and I have 6 sessions before we were married and sex was one of the topics.


Jill hiking in sandals is Duggar stupidity at its best.

Anonymous said...

Once again, Jill wears open toed sandals on a hike. She wore leggings underneath her skirt so she must have known they were going hiking????

Dumb!!!!

James has never eaten hummus or a fig?

Dumb!!!!

Anonymous said...

Derick is a FOODIE! I was delighted by his picnic choices (healthy, delicious), pretty mainstream these days, but unusual and gourmet for a Duggar. I was surprised James had never had hummus or couscous or figs or goat cheese (my guess is Jill is new to this type of food too, but is learning).

This gives me so much hope for the positive influence he can have on that family. Good move Derick, start small with food and slowly build to include education, philosophy, equality, acceptance, etc.

The wedding venue trip was just sad. I felt sorry for Derick – they drag him around to these beautiful locations and get his hopes up just to end up with a reception of pretzels and pickles in a paved parking lot with one sad tree in the distance. Couldn’t the Duggars at least come up with something close to what the Kellers did for Josh and Anna?

Is it just me or is Michelle becoming more unlikable with every new show? I firmly believe that SHE is the ultra-conservative fundie and SHE is really the one that manipulated Jim Bob into this insanity (while letting him believe he is in charge). I think JB has more comfort with mainstream behavior and although I detest and disagree with his politics and beliefs; he is definitely the more involved and affectionate parent.

OMG Michelle was scary when she was the talking head “even though they are engaged they WILL BE chaperoned.” WTF?

Oh, poor dumb Ben. Oh, poor hostage, Jessa. There must be a way to stop this wedding. Watching Ben and Jessa is like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion and it just gets worse. I read somewhere that Josh reads this blog – if so, please step in and talk to your Dad to stop this farce of a wedding before two young people (one being your sister) make the mistake of their lives.

Anonymous said...

Poor Jenny....she looked clinically depressed having to spend time with her birth mother.

She is aorable in glasses but her demeanor is so sad.

Anonymous said...

It was very unsafe for Jason to sit in the car between Jessa and Ben without a seat belt! The Duggars are more worried about Ben and Jessa kissing than their son's safety!

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice that when Derek came to pick Jill up, the graphic said 11 weeks before the wedding....During their picnic, Jill said "This is my best birthday ever" and Derek said"This is my best May 17th ever" May 17th was NOT 11 weeks before the wedding....I think they lose credibility when they do stuff like this...

Coleen said...

Who makes concrete garden steps inside the house? That was an outdoor project if I ever saw one.

Anonymous said...

Funny Coleen, I was watching the episode and my husband walked in during that scene and his first and only comment was those should be made outside.

Allison said...

It looked like Jill was wearing Teva sandals, which are pretty sturdy and do-able for a hike. They aren't quite the same as wearing flip-flops, although closed toed shoes would have been better.

I'm not surprised James hadn't had figs or hummus. I've never had figs (although I've had fig newtons) and I'm 29. And I don't think I had hummus until I was maybe in high school. Just wasn't something my parents bought. I think I had it at a party the first time I tried it.

I did think that Jill's birthday was farther away from the wedding, but it was TLC that made the mistake. Derick said May 17 which really is Jill's birthday. Why TLC put that it was 11 weeks before the wedding is beyond me but that doesn't really make it staged. It just makes the editors look incompetent!

And I agree that Jim Bob is definitely the more hands-on parent. Michelle just seems to watch her kids, Jim Bob actually gets involved and does stuff.

I thought Jenny was adorable in her glasses, but I think Michelle excuses her sad behavior as "being quiet and serious."

Special Ed Lady said...

The water she was using had steam coming off it. Little kids hands are more delicate than an adults, whatbwasbshenthinking.

Dar said...

What was so phoney about this episode,for me, was the pretense that they were actually going from venue to venue seeking a place for the wedding. They were going to be married at that church from the very beginning. Michelle had to get her opinions aired. "Golf Clubs are not what the Duggars are". They could afford a beautiful venue for Jill in a place other than a parking lot. Of course, we had to see Jim Bob and Michelle renew their vows. Will that woman ever let her children take the limelight? She appears to be most uncomfortable when alone with the little ones. It is almost like she is a distant relative. Her interaction with them is so wooden. The best part of these shows is the little ones. When they are speaking is is quite entertaining. They are all very natural. I especially liked the two young chaperones. Not that the idea of chaperones isn't ridiculous. Michelle is not having too much fun and she is making sure her offspring doesn't. Everything is so serious with regard to their dates. They can't even relax with all the rules imposed on them. Honestly, I think Ben is just a joke. Jim Bob should be ashamed of himself. He chose Ben because he is easily manipulated. Jessa deserves a much more mature person. However, hormones are hormones and these girls will think they love the first man who daddy allows to get close.

sandi said...

Yes I would be curious to know if the couples have any premaritial counseling by the church they get married at.I think most churches and pastors require it. (That was one of the reason we eloped,LOL.the sex talk? noneoftheirbiz ). :)
I hope they get more than just the info fundies put out..the books and tapes and such,seeing as they have been so sheltered all their lives.

Anonymous said...

Calling Derick "Babe" is so off the mark. It sounds like a real put down.

Sweet Pea said...

So if Jill and Derek set their own relationship restrictions then why do they still need chaperones? I wonder what would happen if one of the kids said they don't want to wait until their wedding day to kiss or give frontal hugs.

It's sad that they are in their 20's and still not trusted to be alone with a member of the opposite sex.

Anonymous said...

I saw a seatbelt. It was just a lap belt that's normally on the middle. He had it on. Didn't look very comfortable though.

Anonymous said...

As I was watching the episode where they are going from venue to venue is so ridiculous. As if Jimboob and Michelle would permit a wedding in any venue other than a church. One place had beautiful tables in a gorgeous room with a dance floor. Dance floor? That's not happening. Also, they didn't think to ask if these venues could host over 1000 people?

Watching this show is just so frustrating, my husband won't even listen to anything I say about it. He said I'm only giving them an opportunity to make more money by my watching.

I really resent Michelle always saying that they let the children make the rules regarding what they can or cannot do during courtship and engagement. Right...she had such a mean face at the airport when Jill hugged Derick full frontal. "Well, that's not going to happen again!" I hope Jill didn't get punished for that....

brewerrkj said...

The reason why Jennifer is uncomfortable with Michelle is because Jill, not Michelle raised her, and is her Sister-Mom.
Jenny knows it and hates Michlle.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it was steam coming from the water when they made the paving stones--I think it was dust. We've made those before, and clouds of dust rose up when we mixed everything together.

watchdog said...

I can't understand why you would have a child chaperone adults.

I can't understand why, if the parents believe they've raised their children properly, that they distrust them so much.

Rudy Tecat said...

Ok, so James is in the back seat and he announces that he's getting car sick...what do you do? Do you pull over and let him walk around a little and get some fresh air, or do you just keep going? Derick and Jill kept going.

Anonymous said...

I never once heard Jill say "thank you" when she was given a complement. It was "you're so sweet" that is NOT the same as thank you. It's like she doesn't acknowledge it. And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't thenk she even says "I love you" to Derrick.
And honestly I hate hiking holding hands. My husband hike every weekend (just about) and we've tried holding hands but it's too awkward. But to each their own, I don't think Jill really wanted to go hiking. You can tell when she and Jessa are getting ready.

Anonymous said...

The sandals are Chacos and they can be used for trail walks. I have two pairs and they are comfortable, sturdy and not cheap. Good on Derick for being considerate and buying them as a birthday gift for Jill knowing they will be taking that walk.

Jeannine Guidry said...

Jessa used to be my favorite, now she is just super annoying. The way she "delivers" her lines when she and Ben are doing their talking heads interviews is just weird. It's like she's trying to force his response. And it makes it really hard for me to figure out if her feelings for him are genuine or now.

Also, I wonder if, when the other girl who is "courting" or engaged is a chaperone, do they let the couple do whatever they want when the cameras aren't on them? Hoping that they will return the favor when it is their turn.

Anonymous said...

Bill Gothard gives plenty of long. frontal hugs to underage girls.

Anonymous said...

If Derick was smart (he is not), he would take Jill far far away from Duggarville.

beefmart said...

The "hiking" date was hysterical. It was almost too embarrassing to watch...the awkward hand-holding, the annoying nicknames and childish giggles, the fact that a small boy was in attendance and that he and or his adult sister had never eaten hummus before. That being said, Derek is great, he's my favorite person on the show by far. Let's hope he can get a missionary gig somewhere far away from Duggarville.

Anonymous said...

"Bill Gothard gives plenty of long, frontal hugs to underage girls".
Yes, I wonder how they would respond to that one? Other than "we don't judge, or follow any man, just Jesus". That's a whitewash answer if I ever heard one. They need to ANSWER the question and justify why it was "ok" for this guy to allegedly do those things.. they never do nor will they unless pressed on live TV to do so. I wish someone would have the audacity to interview these people for real, live and in living color...

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing, but this is likely all staged. Jill and Derrick didn't seem to care about James at all, but then he shouldn't be there anyway.

Marites H. said...

Maybe Jill is awkward being alone with her husband and feels like you know more comfortable with a chaperone. This weird "valley girl" tone of voice she uses is totally annoying -- almost as bad as Michelle's baby voice. I understand the part about being polite & respectful, looking at the person who is speaking but the look of awe & adoration on a wife's face is bizarre.

Anonymous said...

EXACTLY!!!

Anonymous said...

LOL well I'm 47 & have never had a fig or hummus! Jill seems to at least try any food - when they were in Nepal she said she was excited to try different foods, it was JB who didn't like the "weird" stuff.

I just don't understand how Michelle came to this point. She was a cheerleader, and dated, & mowed the lawn in her bikini. Did she just wake up one day & decide she was going to hell if she didn't do a complete 180?? It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

sandi said...

Anon at 7:27: Nope.Jim Bob came along when Michelle was in her teen years and convinced her to quit cheerleading,saying it was sinful and the outfits made her guilty of causing other guys to lust after her.
Same with her past,like guilt trips over mowing the lawn in a bikini and dating other guys,saying she had a lot of 'baggage' from that.
OTOH,notice Jim Bob's past is always 'pristine and perfect',according to him.It's only the other ppl he trashes,like Michelle and his late dad.JMO

Anonymous said...

You know, I wonder if Jim Bob was EVER on a date besides Michelle? He never speaks of his own past. Although he was ultra fundie even back then, went to a strict Christian school, they actually had a graduation DANCE/banquet and he asked Michelle to be his DATE for the evening... her first "car date". So, Jim Bob dated at least Michelle...what's so sinful about his own teen and adult kids doing the same? I think all that "lusting after" he mentions was his own. This boy was obsessed with sex IMO, and walked around with tight pants at 16. I would like to hear just what is this "baggage" that Michelle refers to. If she was 15 when she met Jim Bob and "dated" freshman year in high school, no car dating yet, how sinful could she have been? She held other boys' hands, maybe a peck on the cheek at her parents' door saying good night? How sinful is that? They have major problems with the English language AND scripture as to what the definitions of words are..Purity does NOT mean you are a pristine ice prince/princess.A real minister needs to talk to these people and save their children from a misguided lifestyle. AND SOON.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice Mrs. Seewald's face when Jim Bob "suggested" that Ben move down there? The expression on her face was NOT "she's such a treasure and we are THRILLED". She had a look of concern and disapproval at that. Why didn't they say that they would discuss it at home with Ben and see what he wants to do? All a silly scripted TV show, losing any sense of "reality" it once had.

Anonymous said...

they said if you have nothing nice to say, it's best to just not say anything at all... Jill a 23 yr old acting like an infatuated teenager when she's with her husband or talking about Derek - it's cute BUT annoying, I really hope and pray these girls know that love and marriage is not all about butterflies, roses, popping 20 children... I hope they were counseled that the beginning of the relationship is infatuation/honeymoon stage, it will change and it's never really perfect. It seems to me that they live in a "perfect love" bubble... anyway I wish them all the best though! I pray Jana goes into courtship or a relationship soon. She has always been my fave

hello said...

Jill acts more like a teenage girl with her first crush than a woman who is married and pregnant with her first child. She is getting to be more like Michelle everyday. She has the bug eyed look and the high squeaky voice down. Whenever she is interviewed, she knows all the right things things to say according to how she has been trained.
I don't think Jimboob is in any hurry to find Jana a husband any time soon. She has too many younger siblings that she needs to raise and train. Michelle certainly doesn't think that she should do it. She is much too busy being Jimboob's buddy, hanging onto his every word, giving interviews, protesting and obsessing over the fact that she is not expecting but would like to be.

nikki mintz said...

They aren't allowed privacy from day one. Those kids can't even go online without a sibling sitting next to them. Can you even imagine what the "birds and bees" talk was like between Michelle and her daughters, if she even had one at all?!?

Anonymous said...

re: nikki mintz: Michelle's "birds and bees talk" to Jill was " just say YES ".

hello said...

Michelle's advice to Jill was to always be available to your husband no matter what. When any of the boys get married Jimboob will give them the lego talk and a tape to listen to on the way to the hotel as he did with Josh. Although he did tell the boys this id the way babies are made when he was molesting the cow when they went to the farm.