Kelly Had Another Miscarriage

Their blog.

That may have been the announcement that was removed from the last episode.

43 comments:

Alysa said...

For some reason I feel like Kelly will have another, but Michelle will not...Just my gut feeling.

tulip said...

Sad. Maybe at this point, the natural course of aging has surpassed even what the hormone supplements are capable of. I have to wonder if Kelly & Gil are in denial about this, or if perhaps they think they are "special", and therefore feel they can continue to conceive more blessings.
Interesting-Jim Bob & Michelle, when giving a promo encouraging people to watch The Bates show, sounded flat and somewhat forced, while their expressions looked almost annoyed. Maybe they were jealous, knowing Gil & Kelly were going to get to announce #20. On the Today Show, though, they seemed overly giddy while Jim Bob said he thought it was "fun trying" for a 20th. Wonder when the miscarriage actually happened.

Tammy C said...

I wonder when the miscarriage happened when you realize she just gall bladder surgery.Maybe right after that she started trying because remember how disappointed Gil seemed t be when the test came back negative.

Hannah said...

I am very sorry to hear that.

Marion said...

So Kelly has now had four miscarriages, and we saw that Jeb needed NICU time afer he was born.

And Michelle ... my goodness, after going through the micro-preemie experience with Josie, and then losing Jubilee ... how can she keep trying to have more?

Their bodies are saying "enough" but these women are ignoring all those signs.

I hope one of them won't wind up with a Downs baby eventually. I have a great-aunt who got pregnant at 45 and had a daughter with Downs. It was a heartbreaking experience for the family.

Michelle and Kelly ... count your blessings and say that enough is enough! Think of all the children you already have!

Nancy said...

It sounds like she went in for a 9-10 wk. checkup and found out the embryo died in its 7th week. This happened to me. However, I was wondering about progesterone. Given this woman pees on a stick at truck stops in order to make announcements (their first Duggar appearance, IIRC...this ended up being the first of the four miscarriages @ around 15 weeks), how soon does she go to the doctor (they never scheduled me before 7 weeks) and when do the progesterone treatments begin?

I'm also curious if she could have started treatments, but due to the rise in cost of treatment (something like $10 to $1500/treatment as I understand!), maybe the woman - who will be 46 this month - was trying to do it "on her own" as it were? I know it can happen, but usually with women who have had only a couple of kids (or none in the case of my 45 year old SIL); their bodies haven't been nearly as ravaged as Kelly's.

Anyone with experience in any of these areas, please feel free to chime in. I personally think God is trying to tell Kelly that the shop is closing, but that woman is fertile mytrle (23 pregnancies!), so never say never with her, I guess.

Nancy said...

FTM, TLC likely went up to the property to tape an announcement like Jubilee's announcement was thrown into a season finale. Given the timing of TLC taking down the announcement, it sounds like there was a rush editing job (all that saying goodbye at the end was superflous, but goes to show what is taped that was originally on the cutting room floor, so to speak, but added at the last minute. Once done, TLC could change the episode description.

I imagine Kelly miscarried a 2-3 weeks ago; no new blog posts during the run of their show, and few responses.

Andrea said...

Marion, I have to disagree. Downs is nothing compared to other disorders a child can be born with which are a direct result of a mother's age and just plain bad luck!

Betty said...

Standard times for OB appointments wouldn't apply to Kelly in my experience. She's high risk and has needed progesterone in the past. With a similar history (except age) a relative of mine was in to the dr two days after the stick turned and every week after that for a month.

Elspeth said...

When a pregnancy is high risk, standard dr visit schedules aren't followed. I've been through it twice.

Alberta Rose said...

This is another reason why women used to wait until they had missed at least two periods before going to the doctor or waited until they felt movement before declaring they were pregnant. There is a down side to finding out too soon, especially with older women. It's also why after 22 months of trying to conceive a second child, my husband agreed with me that the Lord meant for us to only have one child and we made it a permanent decision. Having gone through a miscarriage at 30 years old, I didn't want to go through anymore in my 40's.

sandi said...

It's possible one could start the progesterone treatments around the time of conception,about 2 weeks after a new cycle starts.In fact,I bet that's what she did.It tends to make cycles more regular in someone her age.(I would know,I'm older than both she and Michelle).
That said,it depends on what method(s) she is using.The skin cream can be bought OTC for around $20,the microgest pills are a script,but aren't all that expensive (around $50/month,I checked an online pharmacy),and the intrauterine gel,also a script,isn't that expensive ($63 online for a box of 8% gel),either.The injections are also around $50/month,if you do it yourself.I don't know if the clinic they go to would provide any of those for free or not.

Rudy Tecat said...

It is very sad that the Duggars and Bates families are willing to send another baby up to heaven so that they can try and have another baby down here on earth. I guess when they say that God will let them know when it is time to stop, they mean they'll stop conceiving. It seems to me that God is telling them in no uncertain terms that it is time to stop now.

Seriously? said...

Utilizing their own logic about how god is so intimately involved with every detail of everyone's life, one wonders why these dolts never consider that miscarriage may be god 'putting it on their heart' to cease and desist with the whole procreation thing.

sue smit said...

Kelly jo gets her prenatal treatment for free from a christian prenatal clinic. so money isnt an issue in regards to treatment.

sarah taylor said...

Progesterone is actually very expensive... Kelly is most likely using it starting after her period or ovulation time to try and aid in conception. I have a cousin that had fertility treatments and she had to use progesterone injections. They were horrible. It was like using a huge needle to inject a liquid as thinck as pancake syrup and you need to do it every day; sometimes twice, and in large amounts even for a young healthy woman with no hormone issues. It causes massive bruising and tissue damage to the injection site. It is not covered by most insurance companies for the use as a conception aid. An insurance company "might" cover it to sustain a pregnancy; but in most cases if your progesterone is that low you would not get pregnant to begin with. Lower progesterone as I understand it is part of menopause or as Mrs. Duggar would put it, "One of the seasons of life".
The amount of progesterone a woman Kellys age would have to use as a conception aid would put signifigant financial hardship on any family. In addition to that...

If you truly believe that God controls all things then maybe your lack of progesterone is God saying.. "Enough Kelly". If God is saying "no more" via your hormone levels then how exactly does spening your family into the ground every month on hormone injections constitute "letting God choose" sounds like it's Gil and Kelly jo making those choices.

Elspeth said...

There are different forms of progesterone and means of administration. Not everyone needs or uses the injections. Sometimes it's a patch or a gel or even a pill depending on the use and purpose.

sandi said...

A gel for the uterus can also be used;as I said before,the 8% (normally used for those having fertility issues) runs around $63/box online.That takes care of the uterine levels.
Kelly may also couple that with a cream or pill;that helps keep the blood levels up.There may be a patch as well,idk,I haven't looked into that.I know you can get a compounding pharmacist to make a subligual(under the tongue) tablet of it as well.

~*Amanda~* said...

From personal experience, I know that many women are put on a progesterone gel if they have luteal phase defects or if they have gone through any sort of infertility treatment. This takes the form of a vaginal suppository that one takes 2 times a day. My clinic shies away from progesterone injections as they are inter-muscular and painful. In my experience...the gel works fine but is SUPER expensive if you don't have insurance!!!

If Kelly is being monitored-which at her age she probably is--she would begin progesterone supplements shortly after ovulation has been confirmed. This would take care of Luteal defects (lack of progesterone). So basically, it will keep your hormones in check so your uterus does not shed itself prematurely...but will not maintain an intact pregnancy if there is something wrong with the embryo/fetus...thus the reason for many many miscarriages-especially in the first trimester.

Women over 40 have a super high miscarriage occurrence--around 40-45%. That's just life. The older you are, the more at risk you are for genetic defects in a developing embryo.

I think Kelly has a long road ahead of her if she continues to not take precautions. She'll be more at risk for genetic defects in the baby (some far worse than Downs), miscarriage at all stages of pregnancy, still birth, premature delivery, gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia and....because of how used up her uterus is by now...I would imagine at increased risk for uterine abruption. Which could kill both she and the baby.

Time to close down the baby factory. It's just getting careless now and neglectful to the children that she has....

Wampascat said...

I had low levels with my second pregnancy. I was prescribed vaginal suppositories. They were expensive but our insurance covered most of it.

Nancy said...

Excuse my ignorance and questions regarding progesterone. I know absolutely nothing about how it works!

For those with progesterone experience, would it have been normal for Kelly, being high risk, to run to the doctor for her first checkup the day after a missed period and start progesterone then, or would she have had to wait another week (or longer)?

With regard to the mention of insurance covering Kelly's treatments: remember, the Bateses don't have any. Or didn't around the time Jeb was born and Gil proudly announced that the ER acted as his family's doctor. However, TLC checks may have alleviated that concern, at least for the time being. Even if they earned on the low side (around $25,000/episode), that's still $200k in the bank.


Betty said...

Kelly isn't just over 40, she's now over 45 and is almost 46. The miscarriage rate at her age is around 60%. It hits 50% around age 44 or 45 and keeps going up.

imaamy said...

I didn't realize the miscarriage rate was that high for women my age. I had my surprise baby (now big, active, healthy toddler) when I was 42. I guess they didn't tell me the risk so as not to worry me? I did study the genetic risks in depth myself.

I still believe Kelly and Michele think if God wants them to have another baby, they will and all will be fine with said baby and mom:) They just aren't rationale thinkers given to earthly percentages and medical advice.

Patrice said...

This is really getting very old. Not to make light of a miscarriage because many of us do know that pain. BUT...if these two women are leaving it up to God, then they should open their hearts to His telling them ENOUGH. Trying deperately to get pregnant in the perimenopause years and taking supplements to sustain a pregnancy at that age when you already have NINETEEN living children...is beyond ridiculous. Kelly and Michelle- you are tied, we all know
you are the two most fertile women on TV, and neither of you is statistically likely to carry another pregnancy to term. The contest is over. If you die trying, you are not doing justice to the 19 apiece that God already gave you! This is just super sad that either woman should keep experiencing this heartache due to their baby-hoarding greed. Isn't greed one of the deadliest sins?

MCL said...

So much for "leaving the size of your family up to God". Enough already!

sandi said...

Yes,greed doesn't have to be money,it can be any selfish thing.
I would really like to see them both adopt no. 20 at this point.
The reproductive cycle works on checks and balances,and hormonal feedback.It doesn't seem very safe nor healthy for mom or baby to get eggs out there that would otherwise be suppressed and not make it,at that age.I think there is a big difference between someone who is younger and just has low hormone levels that need correcting,as opposed to someone who is at an avanced maternal age and in perimenopause.JMO.

Shoka's Understudy said...

There is no way Michelle or Kelly Jo will adopt a child to be #20.

They have always tooted their horn that it is God's will.

Well, God is showing you that it is time to stop.

With a miscarriage, Josie a micro-preemie and almost dying and Michelle almost dying from several symptoms to Jubliee actually dying.

Kelly Jo has had several miscarriages.

It is time to STOP THE MADNESS!

Devil's Advocate said...

Speaking from personal experience... yes, if you know that you need progesterone to help stay pregnant, you run to the doctor the second you think you might be pregnant (period missed or not). And, if your doctor knows you have a history of needing progesterone to stay pregnant, they confirm it with ultrasound sooner than normal and check your hormone levels often via lab.

roddma said...

"I didn't realize the miscarriage rate was that high for women my age. I had my surprise baby (now big, active, healthy toddler) when I was 42. I guess they didn't tell me the risk so as not to worry me? I did study the genetic risks in depth myself. "
"Downs is nothing compared to other disorders a child can be born with which are a direct result of a mother's age and just plain bad luck!"
Plenty of healthy babies are born to older mothers. The difference is they do not have 19 other kids. Kelly really had no problems until the last two or three. Sorry but I get irate when pregnancy problems are just blamed on age. Yes there may be a slight concern but younger mothers have problems too. It is more about biological age. A younger mother can be 40 biologically speaking and vice versa. It depends on how she takes care of herself. Women have given birth over 40 for years. It just we are not as healthy anymore.I hope this isn't too OT but I could not resist. I am sorry for the Bateses loss once again though it gets harder to sympathize. I hope they take it as a sign.

Penny said...

From the Bates website

8/2/09-Welcome Baby#17-Callie-Anna Rose-after 2 previous miscarriages(Jewel and Jubilee)

4/9/10-Baby#18-Baby 18 is expected on September 30, 2010

9/16/10-Baby Bates#18 is finally here-born 9/15/10-Judson Wyatt

2/7/11-Excitement in the Air-Baby#19 on the way

3/10/11-In Joy or in Sorrow, God is Still God-miscarriage at 10 weeks-baby Zion

7/14/11-Count Your Blessings-pregnant again-9 weeks along

2/7/12-Baby#19 has arrived-Jeb Colton born 02/1/12

9/7/12-Rain or Shine-miscarriage at 7 weeks-baby Sunny

Guess this will go on until Kelly is no longer able to conceive-God Bless Her

Patrice said...

I wonder if she would stop if she had some grandkids to fill her baby obsession needs. Didn't work with Michelle, but somehow Kelly seems just a little smarter... I guess we will see.

Judy said...

Does she think her miscarriages are signs from God? Or due to her age? I've miscarried, I have no idea why you would keep doing that to yourself after 19 other kids.

roddma said...

If you eliminated those who should get pregnant by age alone you have pretty much eliminated everyone. One in five pregnancies end in miscarriage-correct if I am wrong but i think it is right. Michelle had a miscarriage after josh and preclampsia at around 23. Anna miscarried last summer at 24. What happened with jubilee can happen to anyone. Not that this is a reason for them to stop having kids but it doesn't mean to keep going until you almost lose your life. .If G-d sends signs for other aspects of life, why would not He send messages when it is time to stop having kids? I feel sorry for Kelly and Michelle because pregnancy is obviously their whole identity.

SmokeyKitty said...

I have zero pity for Kelly and Michelle regarding their miscarriages. The babies they are conceiving are just props. What I do pity is the idea that they ate only useful as baby makers...nothing more. It's okay to risk your lives and leave your children motherless, and it's okay to deny your children basic education because pregnancy disrupts the homeschool process (thereby reducing meager education to zero education). I feel even worse for their daughters who were raised to be baby makers,but are prevented from even that "achievement" by parents who need the free labor. the only upside is that at least these girls won't produce more fundies and their younger siblings may see their bitterness and that will cause them to flee this insane lifestyle.

Michigander1969 said...

it's okay to deny your children basic education because pregnancy disrupts the homeschool process (thereby reducing meager education to zero education)

I wish there wasn't such a generalization or stereotyping of homeschooling. Not all homeschoolers are getting a meager education. Just like not all public schools are crappy (or not all public schools are wonderful).

Duggars are Christian but are VERY different from most Christians. Their homeschooling is the same way......VERY different from a great number of other homeschooling families.

Seriously? said...

"Their homeschooling is the same way......VERY different from a great number of other homeschooling families."

I sure hope so.

The Duggars are an embarrassment to a) being American (ignorant and proud of it), b) Christian (uber conservative sans common sense), c) home schoolers (dimwitted curricula preparing students for nothing beyond procreation and bible thumping).

Ellie said...

I'm really not all that surprised that these women keep getting pregnant. It's not their choice, it's their husbands'. This is what happens when you subscribe to the idea that only the man can make decisions that affect the family. He has no idea what she goes through. Plus, they probably take it as god doesn't think they are being godly enough, or they look to stories like Job and feel god is just testing their commitment to him.

As for the children not growing up like this: it's unlikely they'll escape. The males are all completely brainwashed into this life and couldnt survive if they gave their future wives freedoms not allowed to their mother and sisters; just look at Josh, he's a prime example of the men this family produces. And, the girls will stay at home until theyre married off, at which point they will be expected by family and their husband to start producing babies. In this cult, only the male can decide if the family will move away from the movement.

Also, they aren't likely to leave because they aren't allowed to experience a life other than their current situation. They are always followed by family members or like minded friends to ensure they stay godly. And, they're taught that normal people allow the devil to reside inside them with the lives they lead. These families are not given an opportunity to question their lives or even their religion.

Willow said...

Also, I believe the young women are somewhat brainwashed into believing that men outside of their faith would not be good husbands - i.e., they might not be committed to them and might have worldly habits, might be abusive, etc., etc. That is just one more "discouragement" from even thinking about leaving the fold. Also, they are "royalty" in their world, as so many of you have already mentioned. As far as they know, they are having a great life.

SmokeyKitty said...

I in no way meant to lump all homeschooling in there. But I find it hard to swallow that a mother educating multiple children who all need different levels of education could be pregnant, recovering from childbirth and then caring for a newborn all while being able to give her kids the same level of education. I think Kelly and Michelle are barely educating the kids when they aren't pregnant, and when they are I wounder about whether they have even less energy and patience for it. I know there are good home schools out there, but the folks who home school only to limit their kids contact with the world are not invested in a quality education.those are exactly the types who will put a newborn above the other kids. after all, they have even expressed a willingness to die in the pursuit of more quivers.....showing complete disregard for the children they have already.

Patrice said...

I would love to be a fly on the wall at their medical appointments. I can't see any doctor in his or her right mind encouraging or supporting more and more pregnancies in elderly multigravida patients (any patient over 35 who has had more than one pregnancy). I mean two, maybe three...but 20 plus pregnancies and at age 46? Does no one tell them to STOP? Or do they just keep shopping around until they find a doctor who will tell them what they want to hear (It's ok, you're in great shape for a 46 year old who has been pregnant 23 times...go right ahead!) But I suppose even if every doctor in the south refused to take their cases, they would go ahead anyway...there should be a nice doula to be found in the congregation somewhere. High risk? Never heard of it...

Seriously? said...

"...there should be a nice doula to be found in the congregation somewhere. High risk? Never heard of it..."


And maybe the Duggar-chosen doula might specialize in toilet births. At no extra cost! Perfect for the Duggars!

Kathy said...

Is that why they're program is not on the air right now? I miss they're program! Praying for Kelly and the family.

Sending my love & prayers.
Kathy

Sharla said...

No, the show is not on because all contracted episodes have aired.