Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 9:30 PM Duggars Dinner Party

The Duggars welcome the Popes for dinner, whose son was in the NICU with Josie. Watch as they prepare a Duggar-favorite, Tater-tot casserole, for 26 people. And it's a family affair when they help Josh move vehicles from one used car lot to another.

30 minutes

63 comments:

Nancy said...

I've followed Sarah Pope's blog and she's moved heaven and earth to make sure her son Samuel has received EVERY treatment/therapy necessary. She kept that kid inside from November - April and is STILL hypervigilant about exposing him to situations that are potentially "germy.

Interesting we never saw any of that with Josie after the first year. Taking her on that trip last year really highlights the contrast between how seriously the Popes and Duggars took with their micro-preemies.

Sarah just posted that she's expecting...due when her son will turn 3. Unlike the Duggars, they purposely delayed having more kids until Samuel was out of the woods, thinking of the child before themselves or some magic number.

Popes >>>>>> Duggars

tngal said...

How many times have we already seen this episode over the years? TLC please put this show to bed. It is long overdue.......snooze

Hannah said...

We already saw them moving cars. Both the shows airing have repeated stuff.

tulip said...

More tater-tot casserole. Probably served on styrofoam plates with plastic forks. It's hard to believe the adults, and more importantly their guests, wouldn't have their meal on actual plates with real silverware. I myself was actually embarrassed watching Charles Stanley (one of the ultimate, prized Duggar dinner guests) carry his styrofoam plate of tater-tot casserole and matching styrofoam cup beverage, complete with plastic fork and paper napkin, to the Duggar dinner table. I think the sides included an iceberg lettuce salad and jello.

Seriously? said...

Got Pepto?

Wampascat said...

I don't understand the disposable plates,either. Remember when they moved into the house and were showing off the industrial kitchen equipment they bought used? There was a big honking dishwasher in that kitchen. I wonder how much trash they generate each week from discarded plates and cutlery alone? Besides, it's such a waste of money, I'm surprised El Cheapo Jim Bob lets them get away with it. Do they even own a set of dishes?

Betty said...

I think when a single family needs to have a dumpster or two sitting outside all the time for their trash, they should revisit their buying and using habits. I get by on one grocery store size plastic bag of trash a week.

Rudy Tecat said...

Ok, we get it...the joke is that they serve tater-tot casserole when people come to visit. Ok,time to stop.

sarah taylor said...

I wouls be really, really, really embarrassed to serve tater tot casserole when having company over....

It's not as if they can't afford to serve a real meal...

Alberta Rose said...

Each woman has the freedom to choose how to conceive a baby, whether it is to practice some sort of birth control method or to leave it in God's hands. As part of midwivery training, we are to be knowledgable about the history of birth. There was a time when the only care a preemie was to receive was to be kept warm and receive extra food, not to treat the child like a china doll (yes, in the days of china dolls and wet nurses, there were premature babies who were born at home and survived).

Melissa said...

Well, we know that the Duggars/TLC have taken some "hints" from this blog. However, looks like they don't care what we think of the tater tot casserole- they're still going to serve it!

Willow said...

I don't mean to sound too harsh, but I think the tater tot casserole thing (these days) is not only because its cheap but also because it probably easy to fix for a larger crowd and they are lazy. Sorry, but that is just what I think. Same with the paper plates. IMO, the way I was raised, they should treat their company better than themselves. They could at least use real dishes for company, even if it is short notice and even if it tater tot casserole. They used to get a little fame for for their family recipes, but as many have pointed out, they can afford to do things differently now. They could even hire someone to help now and then (maybe they do but don't want it known).

Wampascat said...

Well, it doesn't look like they hire any house cleaning help. The bottoms of the little kids' feet are positively black when they walk around . I was just thinking about the lady that helped them decorate on the moving in special. She'd be horrified at the condition that house is in now.

Hannah said...

I don`t get the plates either. Schools use regular trays. I can see it at a daycare without a dishwasher and so many meals.

Get a plate with each persons name(so, she can watch them) rinse/wash between peoples. Yes, the boys should rinse their own.

Instead, of them having a dinner have a dinner guest who can tell them how unhealthy it is.

I wonder if Josh will drive one or make the rest do it. Its also easier to rent one the trucks that hold cars. Or buy used since he moves so much.

I would love to visit a Jewish family and see how much they make on Friday nights.

fonferek's glen said...

Was at the hospital today (my mother had back surgery) and took my dad down to the cafeteria at lunch time.

One of the three featured entrees was .... tater tot casserole. I literally LOL and thought of all you fine folks keeping those of us who can't even stand to watch the Duggars, filled in on this bizarre family.

So, like it or not, tater tot casserole is around other places, those I suspect it's a lot healthier in the hospital! (Hopefully?)

Nancy said...

The difference between how Sarah Pope and Michelle Duggar have handled their micro preemies is night and day. I hope they compare notes and find that Michelle is wanting.

I'm very interested how they'll edit this to make Michelle sympathetic when compared to a young woman who went above and beyond to ensure her son got every therapy/treatment (including speech therapy...something quite a few Duggars could benefit from) he requires to have the highest quality life possible.

Michelle recently declared Josie to be essentially "cured." Sarah Pope still has her kid in speech and (I think) physical therapy.

tulip said...

They actually used to use real plates & cups, as shown in the early specials-and I don't think it was for show. I remember Michelle writing the kids names in black marker on a piece of masking tape, which was on a real plate. Same with the cups. In the first special, I saw all these red, plastic cups, like the kind some cafeterias used to have, and they had pieces of tape with a name on each one lining the countertop. They did also show them eating on paper (not styrofoam) plates as well. Now, it's all styrofoam and plastic. What a total waste of resources, and money!

IMO, the only reason they use all that stuff is out of pure laziness-do the dishes! This laziness is being noticed, hence TLC posting on the front page advertising the Duggars a link to "chore packs". When has anybody seen, or heard them talk about, chore packs in recent memory? The last thing I remember is Jim Bob demonstrating how he "cleans" the shower, using a can of scrubbing bubbles in his khakis & collared shirt.

RJWife said...

They have numerous other party or large family sized dishes you can purchase in frozen foods, or get the recipe and try something new for a change! Does that thought even cross minds?!

Manda said...

Interestingly, Sarah Pope and Michelle took their micropreemies to the same Little Rock Children's outpatient clinic.

Nancy said...

Clinics must be at a premium in that neck of the woods because like Michelle, I recall Sarah saying that it was maybe a four hour round trip for his checkups and some of his therapists. Consider that she made that drive maybe 3 days a week (I think they had one therapist that came to their home). I forget how she handled therapy in winter, but I know that if she had to take him out, he was in contact with as few people that weren't doctors or nurses as possible.

Unlike poor Josie...

Elspeth said...

Arkansas is "medically underserved." Some areas are over an hour drive from any hospital or medical facility. Many medical services are only available in Little Rock which is a three to four hour drive from many parts of the state. Further, since therapy services are also not freely available, each child is tested and must be a certain percentage below average to receive services. Not every micro-preemie is going to qualify for every intervention in Arkansas.

Also Samuel is male and born a week and a half or so earlier than Josie and every day makes a difference at that stage. In other words, each micro-preemie has to be judged on their own although these two did see the same set of Little Rock doctors.

Nancy said...

Elspeth, I agree. I remember reading posts in which Sarah said she really had to fight to get appointments for Samuel to be re-evaluated for further interventions. She won out and found that indeed, Samuel shouldn't have been cleared for whatever condition(s) he had that needed further therapy.

I imagine Michelle hears a doctor say everything is better, but she has such disconnection with her children (evidenced in the last episode; she is big on generalizations, not individuality) that she seems to have taken the doctors at their word without really observing and evaluating Josie, day in and day out.

RJWife said...

After this night of fine dining make a stop to your nearest emergency room to check for food poisoning (you've seen how bad they put the food away or set it out way too long, plus all those hands with germs touching it!), have them check your blood for any diseases, viruses, etc too! I'm surprised Josie has held up as well as she has with that dirty, dusty house (allergens), the food with high fat, high calories, and not nutritious either. Plus, eating fresh, healthy food is actually cheap despite what they think. You don't have to get Sam Clubs items only! Plus even farm stands accept food stamps (I know they don't use them), but they do give discounts, etc!

sandi said...

Even things like oatmeal can be bought in 50 lb bags,and wheat berries as well.And they could easily afford a grinder to grind the berries as a base for healthy pancakes,bread,etc.Co-ops and farmer's markets,etc,all could be utilized for healthy foods.I don't get why they are spending over $52,000/yr on all the convenience foods,like oatmeal in the packets.It's easy to buy in bulk and make it yourself,esp. for a large family.JMO.

Stephanie said...

I am typing this before air time for my prediction. I predict 1 of 2 things. 1. Michelle is trying to prove that Josie is doing just as well as this other baby. Or. 2. TLC will show noticable differences in the 2 childrens development. I don't know anything about this baby or birth or development. I feel certain Michelle won't have a comparable baby on doing better than Josie.

Yes I remember the industrial dishwasher, 3 minutes, and have never seen it used. Buying paper plates is such a waste of money but when you are wealthy what difference does it really make? Buy used and save the difference doesn't apply to paper plates

Nancy said...

Nice hostess skills, Michelle. Have your guest pour the sauce on the TTC. When she asks if she's doing it right, you answer, "You're doing great!!!" as your back is turned and you're walking off into the sunset.

Samuel didn't come off well, but Josie was on her own turf; he isn't exposed to play structures like that on a daily basis. But he could speak on command, unlike Josie. Then again, he's had a ton of speech therapy.

Michelle said...

I just want to throw it out there: as great as it is that Anna feeds her kids veggies, someone should let her know that when avocadoes turn brown/oxidize, they are no longer fit to eat. Giving Mackenzie and Michael brown guacamole is a bit stomach-turning.

Michigander1969 said...

I was thinking the same thing, RJWife. Have some variety? Was that sauce poured on the casserole canned soup? yuck!

We are a family of 8 and leftovers are great for lunches so I cook large portions when I cook. Because of this, I usually have the big family dinners here. Feeding 20 - 25 people a healthy meal isn't really much more work than that casserole and definitely MUCH cheaper to make something else.

Why in the world do they use that much paper and plastic? That commercial dishwasher is an amazing thing to have. It only takes a handful of minutes to unload it. It would have to save hundreds of dollars to actually do their own dishes.



>>>>>>RJWife said...
They have numerous other party or large family sized dishes you can purchase in frozen foods, or get the recipe and try something new for a change! Does that thought even cross minds?!

Patrice said...

The cookie making part of the show was absolutely disgusting. Who aloows a two year old to sit on the counter and dip her fingers and a spoon into raw dough (food poisoning anyone?) and then still use that dough to make more cookies? I mean if Anna wanted to eat that hotbed of germs herself, that is one thing. But to take them to people who have no idea what went on in the kitchen is another. I know the Duggars have no sense of hygiene in any way,shape or form, but other unsupecting people who were helping? Ugh! I for one would not eat a morsel of anything that came from either of the Duggar households.

Willow said...

Not to mention - Michelle and Jim Bob were more than rude to the Popes when they "forgot" to check back with them and confirm their dinner invitation. Again, inconsideration on their part.

sarah taylor said...

Oh Lord help me, Enough already with the car moving!!! We get it, you can move cars. We know all about the moves!!

Anna never ceases to amaze me. I honestly find her more repulsive than Michelle.
Always speaking like an expert.
I'm sure it's just a bowl of fun for the kids to sit in a room with a couch and a rug at a car lot all day so Anna can make goo goo eyes at goofy Josh.
Mackynzie(sp) is ALWAYS acting up; and yes I know she's 2, but I have been through more than my fair share of 2 year olds (7 so far) and none of them were that consistantly out of control. Not to mention the fact that she tries to hide it all the time. Plus, this is what we get to see. I can't even imagine reality...
She (mackynzie) has her finger up her nose half the time and there she is double dipping her booger finger in the cookie dough.
Ummm...Anna... raw eggs are BAD for your kid!!!! It wasn't just the finger dip, Anna gave Mackynzie a blob of raw cookie dough.
Not to mention serving the booger, saliva, laced cookies to everyone in the room. No wonder the Duggars are ALWAYS ill. I have wondered for a long time how a family with almost NO EXPOSURE to the outside world except for TLC trips is sick so much.
Furthermore, that was NOT guacamole. I'm not sure what is was, but guacamole it was not.

> Alberta Rose said...
Each woman has the freedom to choose how to conceive a baby, whether it is to practice some sort of birth control method or to leave it in God's hands. As part of midwivery training, we are to be knowledgable about the history of birth. There was a time when the only care a preemie was to receive was to be kept warm and receive extra food, not to treat the child like a china doll (yes, in the days of china dolls and wet nurses, there were premature babies who were born at home and survived).

History also tells us that the survival rate of these babies was almost nil. Children needing feeding tubes, oxygen, surgery for bowl perf., and other such things, etc, would not have survived the night. The little ones that did survive were ones that could breathe room air. There is a HUGE differance. The stories of the moms sitting in front of the fire to keep the baby warm while it grew were NOT micro preemies. History also shows us that women used to die in childbirth or the after effects of hemorrhage, infection, etc. Lets not have another midwife battle.... please.... A midwife would have netted me 4 dead babies (IUGR x2, placenta previa), and at the last birth a dead baby and a dead me (ruptured uterus). My sister in law lost her twins trying for her "perfect home water birth". She had an RN midwife (an RN, not a home schooled Gothardite) her husband, a Doula, etc.

> Nancy said...
Nice hostess skills, Michelle. Have your guest pour the sauce on the TTC. When she asks if she's doing it right, you answer, "You're doing great!!!" as your back is turned and you're walking off into the sunset.

LOL.. Noticed that too..



tulip said...

This episode was actually somewhat decent. I love the Popes, they're a sweet family. I loved Sarah's homemade scrapbook-it was adorable. (Looked like Jim Bob & Michelle had a professionally bound book of pics of Josie, I think from TLC.) Josh was not so full of himself, and actually was looking like an involved Dad.

But, Anna,...what in the world was she doing with that cookie dough? First, she gave Kynzie a big ol' spoonful for her to eat, and from there-oh my gosh. Digging her little hands in there eating it, licking her fingers, eating more-then, using a spoon to scoop it out and eating it by the spoonfuls. Wow, I cringe thinking about how much of that she had in her little stomach. Anna then pulled a Michelle, simply saying that Mackynzie just loves cookie dough, and she's right there with her because it's good stuff. Alrighty then...

Anna also looks to be in the same boat of Duggar safety, or lack there of. Michael was once again sitting in that seat on top of the table, but now looks like he is able to climb out of it at will-which is what he was doing while cameras were rolling. A couple more moves, he would have been out and tumbled right over the edge of that dining room table.

Melissa said...

Those bumbo seats have since been recalled- and they were never intended to be used on top of a table. I hope the cookie dough was the kind without raw eggs..I'll admit that I've licked out some extra dough from the bowl after making a bath of cookies, but the risk for salmonella is always there.

Penny said...

Too bad for the miscomunication-looks like they has a nicer meal prepared the first time. Not enough meat for two tater tot casseroles-when Dan from Good Morning America was there-they had plenty of meat

Doug said...

How many more episodes must we endure of Anna and Josh talking about how great they are at parenting? GAG!

Rudy Tecat said...

Would Anna give 'Kynzie a couple of raw eggs, a couple cups of flour, a big helping of sugar, and a couple of sticks of butter to eat? That's what she did when you gave her the cookie dough. Raw eggs --- sheeesh! Who wants to give a toddler raw eggs?

mk said...

Totally agree with tulip that Josh was way less annoying this episode. When he was teasing Mac about driving a car, I swear there was actual warmth on his face. I just hope he's only ├╝ber arrogant on camera (and instagram) and is legitimately a nice guy and good husband and father the rest of the time.

He also looked slightly younger. Maybe he's lost a little weight?

Sharla said...

Still in search of the 9 PM numbers.

1.077 milion viewers and a 0.4 rating.

BTW, if you had a comment not go through, it was probably due to abbreviating a name or going off topic. We had a run of those today.

RJWife said...

Oh gee the Duggars running behind?! Shocker! They actually asked if it was just a Duggar thing running that behind on the Joplin episode, I think it's wrong how they make running behind into a joke, when if they lived in the real world and were always that late you would be fired, in detention, etc. don't they know the rest of the world doesnt work that way?!

Nancy said...

I can't find the numbers for 9pm either, but that means that they didn't crack the top 100.

I think TLC is kicking itself right about now; the expenses of keeping 24 people in an expensive high rise hotel in Tokyo for now going on 5 days, field trips, and the trip to China, I'd guess Bejing and the Great Wall, must be astronomical.

Hopefully, their going-away present. At least we know part of the reason for Anna's food baby. She obviously makes cookies quite often if Mack can recognize and express enjoyment of the dough.

As for the Bumbo chair, I doubt Anna has heard of the recall, but since Michael is now walking (he walked around 10 months, or April...the car lot footage was done in February-ish). She wouldn't put him on the table in that thing once he was completely ambulatory, would she?

Speaking of filming, the editing of these episodes is driving me batty. Sarah Pope's calendar notes that the Duggar dinner happened in mid-April. There's no continuity whatsoever from show-to-show, let alone scene-to-scene. Whoever is responsible for the formulation of their "plot" is doing a terrible job. The show is just a collection of "Look, we went here. Look, we moved cars!" etc.

Sharla said...

TLC has a pattern of flogging dying shows with a huge overseas trip trying to save them instead of killing them quickly. Some other people have called it a parting gift, but I've never seen TLC as particularly giving or altruistic.

When most people could see Kate Gosselin's show was dead, TLC sent them to Australia. When LPBW was on it's last legs, enter the Eurpean extravaganza. It didn't save either of those shows and I doubt Japan will do much for the Duggars either. If not for Jubilee, I think the Duggars would be off TV by now.

hannah said...

Wow Sarah. She went down the slide with her son. Did Michelle ever do that? I was surprised she had cancer when she was little. I wish her the best. I hope she has has a full-term baby this time.

Melissa said...

Ok, this is going to show my stupidity, but is a 0.4 rating bad? What is the rating scale? Do you think the show is almost over? Would be nice if they just go back to the occasional "tv special." I think it would be so much better for the little kids to get the cameras out of there. Hearing Jim Bob & Michelle say that the littlest kids are used to having the cameras around scares me! It reminds me too much of Kate G.

Sharla said...

It is not good. In this case it is the percentage of 18 to 49 year olds in the country watching this show. It is what advertisers generally use to decide how much to pay for commercial time during a show. Ratings are judged comparatively for the network based on their usual performance. This episode was below TLC's average.

londonbridges said...

I totally agree Sharla, about how TLC 'flogs' dying shows. Hopefully this trek to Japan, China et al will truly be the Duggars' Swan Song.

Joy said...

Isn't it a bit tacky to invite guests over and have them make their own supper in your kitchen? Why does it always have to be tater tot casserole. It's not the only meal that can be prepared for a large group of people. Did anyone else notice Sarah was in jeans not a skirt?

Wampascat said...

Jim Bob said that the Pope baby was born early in order to bring the family closer to God. Why does he always say such asinine things?Wonder why Josie was born early if that's their logic? Also, Michelle stated that they waited to invite the Pope family over to make sure the babies were well enough to be around other people. So, it's fine to jaunt all over Europe with a fragile preemie, but not safe to have dinner guests? Such hypocrites.

tulip said...

I think that the ratings would be much better in that category (18-49) if the people in that age group on the show were actually doing something! The older 'kids' are at home, doing the same old stuff. Yes, they TALK about doing other things (midwife classes, John-David's business, "graduations" from homeschool, etc.) but we never see it! As boring as it sounds to watch John drive a tow truck around, at least it would shine a little spotlight on somebody else in the family. I would actually be interested in following Jill around in 'a day in the life', seeing her in action helping with a birth, instead of cooking and keeping the little kids from wreaking havoc. I would like to see Jinger do a photo session, and talk about what her hopes are of possibly starting a 'business' (even if it is one of the Gothard-approved "jobs".) This trip to Michigan for Jana, and the outing to the library with Anna & the kids doesn't cut it-it's still the same old stuff, the stuff we expect.

If this is reality TV, how about being more real?-Jim Bob & Michelle signed up for it. IMO, Jubilee ended up being more exploited than anything else. When the girls were asked a while back if there have been any prospective courtships, Jana sounded like there may have been, but didn't want to go into it-she should have. I hope Zach is able to talk a little bit about him & Sarah. If they're wanting this to be a "ministry", how better to get down to the level of the older kids/young adults growing up Gothard? (but not saying that, of course.) It's not a perfect world, for anybody! They may think they found the person to marry, and lo and behold, it might not be. Life goes on. It's not a sin if you think you found the right one, and then it turns out it's not. This would be the kind of stuff that would draw in the younger adults.

Rainbow68 said...

tulip: Having gone to Gothard's seminars, etc, the material seems to suggest that if you do certain things in a certain way, everything will turn out well and if not, God's in control. I am a Christian and I definitely believe that God has a plan for my life, but my concern for Zach is that his pain will be met with platitudes before he can deal with it. It's okay to be sad, disappointed, grieving, confused, etc. I was really bummed when Jinger was quickly shut down by Jill when she said she wanted to go to the city. Jill went one step further and accused her of not being "content". What if God is calling Jinger to a job in the city? What is Jinger is single for the rest of her life? Is she in some kind of holding pattern until her father dies? I find this VERY alarming.

Angie said...

I noticed Anna said she was so thankful to have her first born be a girl so she could have a "Big sister helper" looks like she is definitely going to use Mack as a sister mom when she starts getting up there in numbers with kids

Duggar Fan in Canada said...

I cringed when I saw Michael in his baby seat ON the kitchen table. I think a SAHM of 2 would know enough not to risk her child's safety like that, but maybe she gets her child-rearing tips from the in-laws. As far as I know, those seats don't have seatbelts. In her excitement about the raw cookie dough (yummy!!) big sister could easily bump Michael's chair.

Elspeth said...

There is a retrofit of a belt, but the seats are still not supposed to be put on tables or counters. Children can still tip the seat over and push it off a raised surface.

A high chair or exersaucer is a much safer alternative especially for an eight month old.

tulip said...

I still can't get over that cookie dough. I'm sure we've all dipped into the cookie dough-I've given my kids the spoon to take a taste...a TASTE, not their very own spoonful. Anna basically gave Mackynzie a dollop the size of what she was putting on the pan. Then all the hands, licking her fingers and putting them back in the bowl, eating with a spoon, etc. So gross. I guess good thing the cookies were going to people they knew, and not strangers, considering all of Kynzie's germs and slober in there. Yuck.

I read Sarah Pope's post on her blog about going to the Duggars for dinner. She (and her husband) sounded uncomfortable with the cameras. They had planned the dinner several different times, but each time it didn't end up working out for various reasons-only this latest date, that we saw, were they actually asked about being on camera (wonder if it was a last minute idea by producers fishing for ratings?) Sarah was asked to repeat things for the camera, or asked to say things in a different setting. She said she spent her time corraling Samuel, answering questions for the crew, and making tater-tot casserole. I feel sorry for the Popes-although she did say the Duggars are very sweet people, it's too bad their one get-together (when it finally got a chance to happen) was an awkward, stressful experience where their every move was being stalked by a film crew, all for the sake of the Duggars and their waning ratings. Just another Duggar spectacle, and at the expense of others.

Becoming less of a Fan said...

I too was bothered by Jim Bobs assumption towards the Pope family and their relationship with God. It is very Holier than Thou of him to assume that The Pope Baby was preterm in order to bring them closer to God. Just because it took you 18 healthy deliveries befor an unfortunate preterm micro premie was brought into your world does not give you the right to assume anything. Nor does it make you an expert on someone else's life. What if the Popes were not Christian? What if they were agnostic? Does he think that in this case they would have automatically push away their beliefes and knelt down in prayer? I don't know and I can't answer for them, but neither can JimBob. Thankfully our twins were born out of the micro-premie stage yet still 31 weeks, from our stand point this experience of having premies did not bring us any closer to God than we were. Infact for my husband it probably pushed him further away. Thats our experience, just my opinion. The Duggars need to learn that their opinion is starting to sound too preechy. JMO.

Maria said...

Jim Bob will not let this show go so easily. We will see them in Japan and China, and after that a courtship and wedding will take place. I would not even be shocked to see Michelle announce another pregnancy. Whatever it takes, Jim Bob is going to make it happen. They are enjoying their prestigious lifestyle way too much to let it slip through their fingers now. I predict by winter, someone is going to be in a courtship, pregnant, or about to marry.

I also think we might see a spin off show with Josh, Anna, and other young couples.

I agree that it would be nice if they just went back to the quarterly specials on the family. We don't need to see them move cars, go to the dentist, the farm, etc. every week.

I really liked Anna in the beginning, but she has changed quite a bit.

Nancy said...

I too was bothered by Jim Bobs assumption towards the Pope family and their relationship with God. It is very Holier than Thou of him to assume that The Pope Baby was preterm in order to bring them closer to God.

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The Duggars are nothing if not presumptuous. Sarah Pope had a brain tumor (or something similar) when she was about 10 years old. What was the reason for THAT, Jim Bob? Or the fact that she was able to conceive a child (now two) at all?

It's called LIFE, with all its challenges and joys. How dare Jim Bob intimate that the Popes weren't "Christian ENOUGH" until Samuel was born?

There are times when I want to smack the smirk off his Howdy Doody face. When not wanting to smack him, I usually want to smack Michelle. The way the Popes were treated, both by TLC, and the hosts themselves, like extras on a set without SAG cards.

I seriously doubt they were compensated for this, but given what they endured, they should have been.

DuggarGoth said...

I don't think the Popes are agnostic. It says on their blog that they went to a Baptist college. I don't think they are on the Gothard train, but it's probably safe to say they are Christians. It does seem (from the blog) that they kind of have an awkward relationship with the Duggars. I think the mutual situation of having micro-preemies at the same time kind of threw them together. Otherwise I don't think they would have connected in any way. It certainly does seem that they felt weird about the cameras (I would too) but it was nice to see how Samuel was doing.

Becoming less of a Fan said...

I read Sarah's Blog post about their Dinner with the Duggars. It was very sad. The way she recounted her meeting them in the NICU. She mentioned the way in which Michelle asked her (while with her child in the NICU that was fighting for his life) if it would be okay by her to be filmed talking with Michelle? Come on! Really was this necessary? I don't understand why in the first place a film crew was even allowed in the NICU. I guess Arkansas standards are well below that of our NICU here in Thousand Oaks, CA. Parents were only allowed to bring in one person at a time no more than 3 people around the babies (in our case). I just don't get why these people keep thinking they are such wonderful examples to everyone else. I went through a rough patch where I was talking in a low tone all the time for about a week. My husband finally looked at me and said STOP, I can't stand it! Come on get real. JMO.

tulip said...

After reading some of Sarah's blog, I definitely see no affiliation with Gothard. In fact, in her post about this episode, she specifically mentioned she didn't want to debate any part of the Duggar's lives that people find controversial. I read "controversial" to possibly be Gothard, and the tone I got from it was that they know people might want to know what they think of it, but that they don't really know about it-and don't care to find out. Besides, Sarah was wearing jeans!-didn't even feel the need to wear khakis, let alone a skirt of any kind.

Nancy said...

I don't think the Popes are agnostic. It says on their blog that they went to a Baptist college. I don't think they are on the Gothard train, but it's probably safe to say they are Christians.

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Yes, IMO they're pretty mainstream Christians. They go to church, but don't allow the legalism of clothing, or all that other extraneous BS get in the way of their faith. I appreciate that the Popes show their faith through their actions, they don't have to go around parading it, or (like Jill Duggar) suggest that someone else is doing it wrong (actually all Gothardites believe the rest of the world is doing it wrong).

I personally respect everyone's right to a belief (or non-belief), I just don't want your views shoved in my face because you believe I'm doing it wrong. The Popes are truly humble, the Duggars? Definitely wanting in the humility department, excepting Jana and possibly John David and Joseph. I won't critique anyone younger, since they're still supposedly still in school.

It really annoyed me when Jim Bob pontificated about how the Popes grew closer to Christ because of Samuel's unfortunate birth circumstances. Frankly, that is really none of his business. How does he know how (or IF) the Popes grew spiritually? Not to mention, he seemed to be giving himself and Michelle credit for this growth.

It would have been nice if one of the Popes would have said this in their conversation with the scrapbooks, or if Jim Bob would have said that the Popes told him this, but he didn't. Sure, it could have been edited to make it seem like JB is a pompous jerk (already well-established), but I think Jim Bob really wanted to take credit for this couple having some sort of spiritual awakening.

Sarah's still wearing pants and short-shorts so I don't think the Duggars influenced the Pope's convictions any more than they've influenced mine (other than to run the other way from all things Gothard and Phillips).

Becoming less of a Fan said...

I was not presuming the Popes were agnostic. I was just making a statement that regardless of a person/family's relationship with God, it is of no concern nor place for the High and Mighty Jimbob Duggar to assume ones relationship with their higher power. Especially when regarding a premature birth. I too read the Pope's blog, I knew they were Christians.

Nancy said...

FWIW, I was responding to the board at large, not one specific post about the Pope's religious beliefs. There were a few posters who appeared to be uncertain where the Popes stood w/r/t religion.

Had TLC accosted me in a sickroom like that, I would have done what they asked, irregardless of my religious beliefs. Afterward, I'd ask her not to do that again because I'm [Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, etc] and that while her prayers are appreciated if she wants to give them, I'll pray or send healing vibes to her baby by the tenets of my own faith (or lack thereof).

TLC just got lucky that the pretty blonde whose room the Duggars (and crew) invaded, without her imput, just happened to be a Christian.

Alberta Rose said...

I would actually be interested in following Jill around in 'a day in the life', seeing her in action helping with a birth, instead of cooking and keeping the little kids from wreaking havoc. I would like to see Jinger do a photo session, and talk about what her hopes are of possibly starting a 'business' (even if it is one of the Gothard-approved "jobs".)

For that to happen, the people involved would have to give their permission. Given that the Duggars live in a small town, it might be the kiss of death for their respective careers to ask people if they were willing to be filmed. I had a hunch as the girls got older, we'd see less, not more of them. That's why I wasn't surprised Joy was the only Duggar female to help move the cars. As for Anna at the car lot, I stated she helps Josh at the car lot. I forgot to mention it was due to the move to the new place.