Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 9:00 PM, Grand Ole Duggars

The family heads to Nashville to help out with a charity event called Laundry Love! Later, the older girls speak at an emotionally charged speaking engagement. Finally, the family rounds out the trip by visiting the famous Grand Ole Opry.

30 minutes

59 comments:

Patrice said...

I would love to know what "emotionally charged" means. Does it mean someone dared to stand up and challenge the girls' beliefs, tell them that dating is ok and so are pants and ask why they believe what they do? Or, does it mean Michelle clones stand up, cry crocodile tears and talk about their 9 blessings on earth and 6 in heaven or whatever? I fear it means the latter. I would like to see what would happen if someone in blue jeans and a tank top and maybe even green hair (!) were to stand up and ask some really challenging questions. I know the girls would mumble their way through some standard Gothard responses but would anyone who dared to challenge their views be escorted out by some emasculated Gothard males? Or could there be some intellectual discussion at last? I know, I'm dreaming.

Nancy said...

The Duggar girls are now making a lame stump speech at Gothard and Vision Forum events about finding something to do (ostensibly to honor God, but more to fill time) before Daddy finds them a man. They must also be doing the mega-church circuit with their parents. I know they spoke at the VF "Food Fest" over the summer; that speech was on the VF website, too lazy to see if it was taken down.

tulip said...

I too wonder about "emotionally charged"...however, considering the episode descriptions thus far have made next to no sense, I'm really not anticipating much of anything. "Busy Duggars" mentioned Johanna turning 6-What does a few minute homeschooling segment (mostly talking heads) have to do with that?, and "Duggar On Her Own" didn't mention anything about the family bike trip. TLC is really reaching, splicing and dicing to come up with anything they can to string out this season. I think they're hoping Anna will announce she's pregnant, or Reed will pop the question, so they can edit in material for a season finale.

Alberta Rose said...

I would like to see what would happen if someone in blue jeans and a tank top

When the Popes visited the Duggars, there wasn`t one word about the fact she wore jeans. All Michelle spoke about was what a wonderful woman Sarah Pope is. When Cousin Amy came over wearing pants, again no pop ups, no mention of how she`s different then the rest of the family. The whole pants wearinig thing is on other people. Trust me, there`s a very good reason why I keep stating over and over that when a Duggar female sits with someone on an airplane, they are quite capable of looking past what the person is wearing and look for common ground.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "When Cousin Amy came over wearing pants, again no pop ups, no mention of how she`s different then the rest of the family."

On previous episodes, one or more of the kids have DEFINITELY mentioned that Amy is "different" than them, but they don't hold that against her. The way it was worded was a back-handed compliment, like, "She isn't exactly like us, but we are still O.K. with her being in our presence." I remember feeling embarrassed and a little defensive on Amy's behalf. I think this was during the first episode(s) in which Amy got air time.

Not that they said it to her face on the T.V. show, but if the kids are saying things like that out loud to the camera, they have definitely learned from their parents to see themselves as separate from people who do not look like them or follow their strict code of conduct with respect to dressing, listening to modern music, etc.

sandi said...

It wouldn't be politically correct for them,on the show,to air any grievances over clothing.If a person says they are a Christian,then what else are the Duggars going to do but be friendly?

sarah taylor said...

I'm going to sit my four teenage boys down and have them watch this episode and then ask them what they think of the Duggar girls. They are 18, 18, 17, 16. I'll post what they say.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "I'm going to sit my four teenage boys down"

God bless you - 4 teenage boys! Can't wait to hear their feedback.

My teenager made a very JimBob-like snack last night of tuna/hot sauce, heated up in a pan. Of course, he is barely in his teens, whereas JimBob is, what 46? 47?

Stephanie said...

I havent asked my 17 yr old about the D girls in a few years, but he used to say "they are weird but they sure are pretty"
Jinger used to be his favorite, but I think its because they are the same age

Stephanie said...

Production likes Amy because Amy is the average young woman, but in the Duggar world Amy is the fish out of water. In the real world the Duggars are the fish out of water. Its an interesting perspective to see their tolerance for a "regular" person.

sandi said...

By all apprearances,it seems Amy was not asked to go on the Asia trip,so I wonder if tlc is getting tired of her as well? At least it seems they did not consider her worth the expense,though I could be wrong.JMO.

mishmash said...

The Grand Ole Opry was a typical field trip that we've seen over and over. I'm sure everything the tour guide said went in one ear and out the other. And I'm sure none of the kids know anything about country music and arent allowed to listen to it so why would they go there?? It was also beyond annoying to watch Jim Bob and Michelle kissing like teenagers. But what else is new, right? I wish they would have shown more of the girls during their speaking engagement. I actually was interested to hear what they had to say. I had mixed feelings about Jana breaking down and crying while talking about Jessa. I was touched because I really think she is a kind, sweet soul and it was nice to see her let her guard down and show real emotion. On the other hand, my heart broke for her because I really think she is unhappy in her life. I wonder how many times she cries because she wishes her life was different and feels guilty about not being content? As for Jessa and the other girls, they didnt seem that moved when Jana cried. In fact, I thought Jessa's response was bratty and dismissive. She should have given Jana a hug or something. There is something snippy about Jessa I really don't like. I think she thinks pretty highly of herself and needs to come off her high horse.

Carrie said...

This episode was so boring, I fast-forwarded through much of it.

When is the season finale?

Patrice said...

At first I thought it was weird and sappy that Jana was crying over the jewelry box story. But then it seemed really sad because it was apparent that was not really the issue at all. Something way deeper is going on and if Boob and Mullet were any kind of parents at all, they would dig deeper and find what is causing her unhappiness (even though it is plain as day to everyone else in the world). Does it not strike them as odd that their twentysomething daughter is crying over a childhood toy they forced her to give away at age seven? (I know, it was a precious lesson that God laid on their hearts to encourage others or some such BS)Obviously disgusting of them in the first place but most people do not cry over such things when they get to adulthood. The only way this show is going to survive is to morph it into "Breaking Duggar" and let these people free. It is fun to snark about them but pathetic that they are seriously trapped and do not feel they have the freedom to get out. Grade school education, no money, no jobs...much like the Amish, only at least the Amish are able to get out and try the real world and then make their own decision about their futures. I wish this show would get cancelled because like a bad train wreck, you know you are going to see something awful but you can't stop looking and are helpless to help the ones who need it the most!

Nancy said...

I found myself getting ticked at the Laundry Love bit. Do these people think that anyone who uses a laundomat is on welfare or homeless?

NOT! Some older buildings just weren't equipped with the space to later put in washers and dryers. I just found it to be extremely condescending. Depending on the building I lived in, I used laundromats until my early 30's. At no time was I jobless, let alone homeless and in need of a meal.

Poor Jana; girl is still racked with parental guilt all these years later. Those were NOT tears of joy.

Grand Ole Opry? What crap. I'm not sure even Jim Bob knew who Minnie Pearl was. Opryland? Now we know that Jim Bob and Michelle remember the Love Boat. Holy NIKE, Batman! Yet one more thing their kids will never see, further crippling them if they ever do try to escape. Their ignorance of culture, pop or otherwise, is so appalling for people who are taken out to see almost every "wholesome" attraction in the South, some in the Southwest and Upper Midwest, not to mention...the world.

What's sad is that those kids are pretty much trained not to question anything and if they do, we saw what happened last week with the "God's carpet" response. Ignorance is breeding even deeper ignorance. Yet they live so much higher than the rest of us that we're just not worthy to wipe their dirty bare feet. /sarcasm off

tulip said...

Jana is interesting-always seems quiet & reserved, yet Jim Bob & Michelle have always said she's so talkative & outgoing. The last episode, "Duggar On Her Own" (when Jana went to Journey to the Heart), Jim Bob & Michelle both said on camera several times how proud they were of her for choosing to serve God, and what really got to me was Jim Bob saying more than once that this was what her mom trained her for, and all the hard work Michelle put in to teach her and raise her. How boastful-the pride was just overflowing. It seems to me Jana has expectations she needs to live up to. Maybe it's that she's the oldest daughter and they want her to be an example. It just appears that she's trying to fulfill expectations.

I agree, Jessa has taken on a bratty disposition lately, and Jill is acting like the matriarch of the sister group. Josh obviously has issues with competition, and the rest of the kids are kind of brushed aside, unless they did something funny or camera-worthy. Michelle still hoping for "more" and Jim Bob's proclamation of enjoying "trying"...The Duggars are prime material for one of Dr. Phil's "families in crisis" shows!

Nancy said...

Just re-watched the ATI "homeschool" camp footage again. Note to "Jinge": When you're listed as a keynote speaker, even at a Z list event like this, take off the damn sunglasses. At first, I thought it was a bow in her blouse, but the side view confirmed that she'd left her shades tucked into it. Not that she has a clue who Guy Fieri is (I wish I was that ignorant), but honey, unless you want to be looked at like an twatwaffle who doesn't respect her audience (people paid good money for their daughters to attend the "COMMIT!" segments of the conference, on top of the regular fees),in the future, please put the glasses in your tote bag. TIA

DuggarGoth said...

While I get the whole thing about Jana giving Jessa her jewelry box and the fact that it apparently fixed the problem part of me wonders why Jim Bob and Michelle didn't just tell Jessa to cut it out and quit bugging Jana. It's kind of sad that she is still so emotional about it. It is never said but I kind of wonder if the jewelry box actually had any of her things in it or if it was just the jewelry box itself.

Melissa said...

Our DVR on our TV isn't working so I didn't tape it. Sounds like it's a good thing I didn't watch it though.. so did Jana have to give away her jewelry box to Jessa?
I feel so sorry for Jana. She is the sweetest of them all, and her parents constantly put her down saying how she was too rowdy as a child and now Jill is "the perfect child and leader." I too think Jessa seems obnoxious. And I didn't even watch this episode!

mom in texas said...

I find it funny that the Duggars took a trip to the Grand Ole Opry when they don't even listen to country music.

I too found Jana's "emotional" moment a bit odd. I would have to wonder if there was more to her emotion than what was shared.Here is an adult woman crying over an incident that took place when she was 7 yrs old that didn't seemed to be that serious but evidently had a deeper meaning to her.I was struck at how Jessa seemed so apathetic.She seemed to care less that this incident affected Jana so much and her response was so juvenile.

Wampascat said...

I think Jana may be suffering from depression. Perhaps that is why she was sent back to the " indoctrination" camp. A little guilt trip, you know. Jessa is a snotty brat and she's mean and rough to the little ones. Jill is just annoying and a know it all. Joy Anna looks absolutely miserable. Jinger has the best chance of breaking free. I hope she does and takes a few with her. I've said it before. Jim Bob and Michelle have done a grave injustice to their children and it may take years, but eventually we will hear what happened in that house when the cameras weren't rolling.

Patrice said...

"Sounds like it's a good thing I didn't watch it though.. so did Jana have to give away her jewelry box to Jessa?"
Yes, Jana told a story of how Jessa used to lay in a bottom bunk and kick the upper bunk that Jana was in, over and over again. When they fought about it, The brilliant MOTY told Jana to give Jessa her most important prized possession to "bless" her or "encourage" her or some such Duggar BS. Jana gave away her prized jewelry box to the little brat and now 15 years later tried to tell the story to a little group of Duggar clones and broke into tears and could not finish it.
Not one single sister reached over to comfort her or tried to help finish the story; all just stood and blankly stared at her through a long uncomfortable cry. If this is not a dysfunctional family, tell me what is!
I cannot possibly imagine what giving away your prized possession to your foe is supposed to accomplish. Maybe if someone tries to break in to one of the Duggars' big SUV's, they should show up at the guy's house and hand over the keys the next day. That's about as logical as what they did to Jana.

Rainbow68 said...

I found the weepy-Jana-segment peculiur. I thought she was going to talk about how she's had to forgive for something really hard, even criticism they receive. Shocked to find out that it was because Jessa kicked her bed! If at 22, this is the hardest offense you've had to forgive, you're doing ok! These adult-kids are painfully childlike and not equipped to deal with the outside world. And why did she feel the need to give away something she loved to someone who was mistreating her? Very twisted doctrine. As a parent, I would've told the sibling to stop and that this behavior was unacceptable and that priveleges would be taken away should it continue. I don't think a child would normally give their tormentor something they love, so perhaps she was guilted, ahem, "led" to do this. I feel for Jana. They all use "Gothard-Speak" fluently and don't have a
clue how it's not really Scripturally based. I remember looking up the Scripture references for the points Gothard was making and realizing they were taken out of context. Sad for Jana :(

Patrice said...

Exactly. Jim Bob was all excited about Minnie Pearl's shoes, but his kids have no clue who Minnie Pearl was since they have not been taught anything that hasn't been marked "approved" by Gothard.

Beth Anne said...

First, I must say that the older Duggar girls are stunning, and I think they are earnestly trying to do their best to be good people (especially Jana). Not so sure about Jessa - she kind of comes off as a little snotty at times - sorry, JMHO!

Yet, I could not get past the creepy factor of all those young teen girls in the audience dressed alike in the ATI "uniform" of white shirts. A few select few had black on top...it was probably on purpose, due to some weird, I-don't-want-to-know label that is either good or bad. Then, did anyone else catch JimBob call the audience "commit girls?" What the heck does that label mean? I'm afraid to find out.

I really, truly hope Jana finds some nice, caring young man who will appreciate her gentle soul and not force her into some Stepford wife mold. She deserves it!

And, I think I am going to start my own personal drinking game of having a sip every time Michelle says "encourage" or "encouraging."

Beth Anne said...

Re: "As a parent, I would've told the sibling to stop and that this behavior was unacceptable and that priveleges would be taken away should it continue."

I agree! The young Jessa should have been held accountable for purposely engaging in unacceptable behavior. It WOULD be annoying to have someone kick your bed over and over. It's great the kids are being taught to forgive those who have wronged you, but those committing the "wrongs" (ahem, Jessa) should have to make it up to the sibling they purposely annoying or harassed in some way. It's like they were training Jana from day one to be a doormat...and I don't mean to insult Jana, but I would imagine she was confused as to why SHE was the only one who was "instructed/purposed/encouraged" to take follow-up action on the incident, and all Jessa did was get a nice, new jewelry box!

Melissa said...

Thanks for filling me in Patrice...oh my, I am so heartbroken for Jana. Ladies (and Gents) who participate in this forum, this is not for venting or complaining for me... I am truly SADDENED for these children. Why didn't Jim Bob and Michelle tell Jessa to quit quicking the bed????? OK. this is exactly what I mean in how they put Jana down and treat her badly. let me guess... Jessa probably tore the jewelry box up! I feel bad for Jana and Michaela (from the Bates).. the oldest girls tend to stick out and be expected to do EVERYTHING...meanwhile the next 4-5 oldest girls form a clique and get to sit around acting girly and obnoxious. Does anyone else notice this? I think Jana and Michaela should join forces, take a few of the youngest babies with them to raise (since the moms wouldn't notice) and go 1000+miles away!!! Sorry for my rant, but I am so mad. I will be praying for all these children.

tulip said...

I don't see how the kids, or even Jim Bob & Michelle for that matter, could possibly appreciate The Grand Ole Opry. Anything that was talked about, they would have no idea who or why it would be of any significance. They probably don't think it deserves any significance.

I think the kids sing "Amazing Grace" wherever they go. Michelle must only wear 3 shirts-pink, royal blue, and a darker royal/navy blue. I swear that she has worn the same things this entire season, both in the episodes and the talking head interviews.

Michelle can't possibly talk anymore about how much laundry Grandma does. The kids said that when Grandma was away, the laundry piled up and was a huge mess. So, what, they didn't even bother to try and help out and just left it all for her until she got back? I definitely think Michelle takes Grandma for granted, and feels guilty, that's why she's always talking about Grandma doing the laundry and giving her accolades.

Jana said when Jessa was teasing her as a kid, she went to her parents to help her figure out what SHE should do. Didn't Jim Bob & Michelle talk to Jessa and get to the bottom of it? I mean, Jana was only 7 years old, so Jessa was like 5. At that young of an age, the kids shouldn't be taking it upon themselves to figure out what to do. Yes, that should be a part of it, but not made to feel the relationship is all on their shoulders. At least, that's what I got out of Jana telling the story, and the high emotion that came with it. It was like she seemed to feel she had to solve the problem. Then Jessa was just standing there, looking on with a smile, not even a consolation hug afterwards.

Nancy said...

It just occurred to me that no one reached out to Michelle when she sobbed over the loss of Jubilee (when they made the announcement to the family). I think they family is so steeped in "keeping sweet" that they don't have the tools to console each other. Interestingly, their empathy is shown for the little babies in El Salvador (or wherever they go in Central America).

Since they believe that grace is earned by "humbling yourself" by doing good works (a Gothard construct), and not freely given by accepting Jesus as lord and savior (had to confirm this with a Christian...Recovering Grace is based on this contradiction of definition between Gothard and the Bible), I can see why empathy is directed outward.

It's just sad that they can't show this true emotion for each other, despite calling their siblings their "best friends." Frankly, I've seen NONE of that from Josh. EVER. He doesn't seem close to ANY of his siblings, but isn't shy about using the sisters to babysit his kids when he and Anna go out on their thrice-weekly "date-nights."

MCL said...

The "commit girls" uniform reminds me of the uniform of another cult: Scientology.

Becoming less of a Fan said...

What ever happened to talking to the person who is causing you problems? Why must one reward the person who is being a nuisance? This makes no sense. You don't reward negative behavior, the parent should have stepped in at some point and changed the child's behavior. Oh sorry she did, she just happened to be Jana whom was only 7 at the time. I try not to judge other peoples parenting techniques, but this is just plain stupid logic. JMO

sandi said...

Tle needs to do a better job with the lighting.It looked like the guy at the Opry talking was getting stabbed in the face with his own glasses.JMO.

Sharla said...

Numbers for this one:
0.989 million and a 0.3 rating.

Becoming less of a Fan said...

One other thing...I can't stand how they have the kids sitting on and standing around the table eating out of the same large styrofoam cup using the same spoon/fork any time they have somewhere to go. Have a schedule, you know you are going somewhere, make sure everyone eats, or better yet hand them each a small sandwich, or even a granola bar. Anything would be better than the salt laden cup-o-noodle or Top Ramen that they share. Duggar time, it is their only excuse and it's getting old.

xMem said...

Jana is my age. Whenever I watch the show I end up paying special attention to what's going on with her because it's fascinating to see a young person my age living such a radically different life than my own and how she copes with it.

She's a very sweet girl, but I find that her sweetness has something uncomfortable, almost *diabetic* to it, something very unhealthy for her. I notice this quality with the other Duggar kids too, but Jana seems to have internalized it the most. She seems profoundly unhappy, incapable of self-deceit and self-denial to the point of a true heart-felt dedication to such a lifestyle, so there's something awkward about her attempts to embrace it via a "leadership" role in the Gothard camp and the like. That strange dynamic, paired up with being raised in the spirit of "contentedness" (or however they call that "virtue" of a budding young spirit morally beaten into submission to the whims of circumstance rather than encouraged to take initiative to shape his or her own life) seems to produce the "diabetic sweet" feeling I get about Jana.

Jana's parents, unfortunately, probably mistake this uneasy "sweetness" for some kind of a twisted emotional maturity, while its source might be *exactly the opposite* - being crippled by having had your universe essentially circumscribed to your family and a few like-minded friends, rather than allowed to expand your horizons and grow.

This episode was a good example. At our age, I would worry about a friend crying over something similar because we have grown out of small childhood resentments or sibling quarrels, moved on, and we don't consider these things, in retrospect, to have been a trauma or something that has majorly shaped our emotional universe or a relationship with somebody. I suspect they may have been traumatic for somebody whose universe was limited to that, though. Like Jana. :( It was so pathetic and sad at the same time to see her break over something like that.

Little things like that often make me suspect that the Duggar kids aren't very resilient and wouldn't fare very well in the big wide world out there without a tough adaptation period. I hope some of the kids manage to break off and go through that tough adaptation, for the sake of their independence.
So far they seem to have been kept in an eternal state of dependence on all levels - intellectually (with what seems to be a subpar education and not encouraged to pursue it further), morally and spiritually (mingling with the like-minded crew in de facto isolation and without much opportunities to see how different people think, live and form their values), I presume also financially (which is especially disturbing for me because I suspect they don't have a back-up plan).

A good parent ought to help the kids to grow and gradually become independent rather than keep them under their rule dependent forever.

Melissa said...

In agreement with several other comments, I do not understand why they would go to the Grand Ole Opry either since they don't listen to country music. I've tried to stop understanding "why" on that one when they took the kids to see Dolly (and none of them knew who she was). The constant contradiction is aware to everyone but Jim Bob and Michelle. The Grand Ole Opry thing doesn't annoy me nearly as much, though, as when Michelle shows off her "athletic skills" that none of the other girls have ever been able to participate in, such as roller skating or water skiing.

i-like-pie said...

Two lessons the Duggar children will not learn in their uber-sheltered environment, homeschooling, ATI, and adoring crowds at mega-churches:

1. Not everyone likes you.

2. Some people are jerks and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's sad that Jana is moved to tears over a sisterly dispute that happened 15 years ago. If that had been my family, the elder would've climbed down from the upper bunk and smacked the younger one around, and then switched beds with them.

beef said...

Poor Joy...even in the shot where everyone was going down the escalator she looked sullen and downcast. I know she is a teenager, but it seems like the Duggar teens are "trained" out of natural teenage angst...it doesn't seem to be working quite as well with Joy. I can't imagine what it must be like to be her...surrounded by all of those sanctimonious older sisters, trying to stifle her natural independent, tomboyish nature. I was a lot like Joy as a girl and I'm so glad my family let me be who I am. I'm a happy, well-adjusted person today because of it.

beef said...

"While I get the whole thing about Jana giving Jessa her jewelry box and the fact that it apparently fixed the problem part of me wonders why Jim Bob and Michelle didn't just tell Jessa to cut it out and quit bugging Jana"

Interesting point by DuggarGoth...I was wondering the same thing. It seems like it might have been a good idea, but depending on the kid that approach could have backfired. Pretty sure my dad would have just told us to knock it off.

beef said...

"And, I think I am going to start my own personal drinking game of having a sip every time Michelle says "encourage" or "encouraging.""

Hahahaha!!! You'll be waking up every Wednesday with a hangover.

Leah said...

There must be something deeper as to why Jana was crying on stage. I can't imagine crying over such a seemingly insignificant event in her life at age 7. Maybe Jana hated Jessa and has been trained to feel incredible guilt about it. Or maybe Jana was actually crying about something else, a different relationship. Maybe she currently deals with poor sister-relationships. I don't know. But there was something very unsettling about a 23 year old wan crying on stage about a silly fight that happened when she was in 1st grade.

Elspeth said...

Maybe Jana is crying because she was reduced to "buddy" or servant not too long before the Jana incident and she's been a second class child ever since who was only valued for her help and being sweet (keeping the peace at all costs). Perhaps to Jana that incident symbolizes the turn her life took and what it has been ever since which is giving up herself in honor of her mother's birth olympics

Beth Anne said...

Re: "Perhaps to Jana that incident symbolizes the turn her life took and what it has been ever since which is giving up herself in honor of her mother's birth olympics."

A lot of people seem to agree with this. However, I'm terribly afraid that Jana's tears were for a different reason: That she truly, truly has been "trained" to believe that that moment she gave the jewelry box away was God's way of setting her on the "right" path. I'm afraid she 100% believes what JimBob and Michelle have told her...that SHE needed to change, that SHE needed to quit complaining, that SHE was responsible for turning a wrong into a right, and that that incident opened her eyes to the need to turn the other cheek. I don't think anyone has ever told her otherwise...she only gets praised if she is "sweet" and doesn't complain, so maybe she feels that pivotal moment in her life at 7 years old was when she learned the "right" lesson that she is never supposed to complain. It breaks my heart...

Goodie said...

Beth Anne, I so agree with you about Jana. Such a pretty, sweet thing and where is she headed? Nowhere. So sad - and all in the name of "religion". I'm so glad I'm a Spiritual Being instead of a so-called Christain Being. JMHO.

Megs mom said...

And, I think I am going to start my own personal drinking game of having a sip every time Michelle says "encourage" or "encouraging.""

Love it! I'm in, we also drink when they say fellowship or fellowshipping? They could just say someone is coming over to visit. Seems like another way to set themselves apart. Most of us visit with friends, they fellowship!

Seriously? said...

"And, I think I am going to start my own personal drinking game of having a sip every time Michelle says "encourage" or "encouraging.""

Love it! I'm in, we also drink when they say fellowship or fellowshipping?"

Hey! I'll play. Can we add "God put it on my heart," "God blessed us," "we had such a sweet time" (in little girl voice, "we purposed to ...." (fill in the blank), "countenance," "jurisdiction," "purity," "Lord & Savior" and any lyric or reference at all to "Amazing Grace"?

imamy said...

How bout including Jim Bob and "HEY GUYS! I got somethin' to tell ya. We're gonna go out and ride bikes...or clean up a dumpy dirty house...or Momma thought it would be fun to take kids with a 21 year age span on a kiddie train ride"

Seriously? said...

Hilarious that the Duggars had no clue what "Ole" nor "Opry" meant. They didn't even comprehend the reference. These kids would be abysmal failures in normal public schooling.

sandi said...

I think I'm going to scream if the kids get stuck cleaning up another of Jim Bob's dirty houses.For goodness sake,you buy a house,clean it yourself or hire the help! Children are not your cleaning team for this task.We get that some think having lots of kids means they get to do all the work and the parents just have to do the supervising,but not everyone agrees with that.I don't think they should even have to be stuck with it for the sake of the show.Josh's boring car lot is more palatable than that.JMO.

Maria said...

Jana seems depressed, and not just in this episode, but there have been many others where she looks unhappy. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it was a year or two ago she was sent away to a camp to deal with (as it was put) her "prideful-ness".

When she broke down into tears, it seemed as if it were about something else, rather than an event that took place in early childhood. Perhaps something more traumatizing happened to her in this period of time that also came to mind as she was speaking.

I have noticed that no one embraced her as she stood and cried. Jessa stood still looking at her, as did Jill. Come to think of it, I don't see the kids hugging one another that much on this show. There seems to be a lack of physical touch, unless you are a baby and being breastfed.

I felt sad for Jana on this episode. She doesn't seem that happy, and she often has that look of sadness that Josh gets from time to time. It's almost as if they both have come to accept that this is their life, and that it's not going to be much more than this. Maybe Jana and Josh wanted to do so much more and feel the pressure of their lives ahead of them. So many expectations are placed on them. I cannot imagine how stressing it must be to grow up in that home, where you are literally suffocated every moment of the day. No bedroom to yourself for a moment of peace. No rest, because you tend to the little ones at night, and during the day you must be sister mom, house keeper, and if you have spare time, you must go out into the world and be a blessing or encouragement to someone else. You must be pleasing and your countenance must be cheerful.

When do these girls get time alone to just breathe and think? Do they get to lay on their bed and daydream and just listen to music, paint a picture, draw, or do something just for themselves? All we see on this show is the girls running after the kids, doing chores, or being a blessing to someone else. One of the markers of a cult is keeping the person constantly busy, keeping them inundated with tasks so that they don't have any time to themselves.

Jill, who has changed a lot over the past year seems to have taken to her ATI training and she acts nearly robotic at times, reciting the party line at nearly every turn.

When Jana was crying on stage, Michelle and Jim Bob sat there, just watching as if they were detached. They acted as if this was the first time they have seen Jana break down into tears in a long time.

After watching these girls for so many years, I feel as if I'm seeing the little cracks in the foundation caused by the pressure of being in this cult.

Key words in the Duggar cult:

I am a blessing
I will be a blessing to someone
Encouraging
Training

Also, how much more can Michelle go on about Grandma doing laundry?

Beth Anne said...

Re: we also drink when they say fellowship or fellowshipping? "God put it on my heart," "God blessed us," "we had such a sweet time" (in little girl voice, "we purposed to ...." (fill in the blank), "countenance," "jurisdiction," "purity," "Lord & Savior" and any lyric or reference at all to "Amazing Grace"?

I'll never make it past the first 10 minutes of the show, at this rate! Oh, dear, I do wish the Duggars would talk normally, instead of in such a controlled manner so as to ensure they are using the "right" terms, etc.

ES lady said...

I hope those tiny cracks we are seeing in the foundation of the Duggar family crack wide open sometime very soon. It would be the best thing that ever happened to these kids. I think Michelle and Jim Bob thought they were doing the right thing by raising their children in this Gothard hell. But they are just not seeing what it has done to their sons and daughters. They are just too close to it to see the damage.
And I agree about being tired of hearing about Grandma and the laundry. I wish that lovely woman could move out to a place of her own and have some peace. She deserves it.
I wonder where this family will be in 10 years?

Stephanie said...

Janas crying jag over something so stupid was a waste of time. Michelle is no mother if she couldn't tell Jessa to stop being a brat. But that's what we would expect isn't it? Why didn't they put her in time out? They don't believe in that. Why didn't they make them simply switch beds etc. There were several solutions to that normal sibling problem.
I AM SICK OF HEARING THEM SING AMAZING GRACE EVERYWHERE. How hard do you think Jimbob begged for them to actually be put in a real show?

Duggar Fan but Losing Interest said...

The girls (I think Jill specifically) made a point of telling the group that they had asked Daddy what they should talk about. Wouldn't the sister-moms be more in tune with what other teenagers (their age or slightly younger) would need to talk about? The lack of emotional support Jana got was staggering. Isn't it a normal human reaction to put your arms around someone who's crying? Especially when that person is your own sister? There could have been an easier solution to Jana's issues with Jessa other than Jana giving up something that belonged to her. Switch beds. Timeouts. Even a spanking. (I'm one of those adults spanked as a child who turned out just fine).Think, Mama & Daddy. It's not that hard

Melissa said...

I was able to catch this episode online. Jim Bob actually seemed concerned that Jana was crying during the speech. Michelle turned it around and praised Jana for "humbling herself to share the story." Reminds me of the time where Michelle over-compensated in their second book when talking about all the flack they got when she went to the town meeting about the gas station thing (right after she had Josie).

Seriously? said...

Sadly, the Duggars seem too dim to grasp the huge difference between being genuinely humble of heart vs. being willing to publically humiliate oneself in order to gain attention and supposed bonus morality points.

What kind of parents take pride in their 20 something offspring crying over her supposed 'sins' in public?

I'd much rather my daughter have enough self confidence, self knowledge, & self esteem to be able to differentiate between actual evil acts vs. simply being human.

The Duggar tears are a learned ploy - IMO they use these public crying jags to ramp up the fervor and have everyone notice just how superior they are to the rest of us in their 'humility' and 'gawdliness'.

Blech. The showy Duggars do a huge disservice to Christianity specifically and religion in general with all their attention-seeking 'holy' bravado.

Jenny Goff said...

Did anyone notice how Michelle and Jim Bob are both holding their kids more? Michelle had 2 children by the hands in this episode. Something I never saw in previous episodes. In the past both parents were in the front of the line of kids holding hands and each child had a "buddy" holding their hand.

Beth Anne said...

Re;Jenny Goff said...

"Did anyone notice how Michelle and Jim Bob are both holding their kids more?"

Yes! The horrible part of this is that this behavior may have been "suggested" by the TLC directors/show producers who read blogs such as this and seem to specifically orchestrate things in response to people's observations/complaints about the "Duggar way." No one can actually prove that the only reason JimBob and Michelle are holding their younger children's hands is due to feedback they received in this regard, but how sad is it that there is a possibility it is true? My first instinct as a parent was to protect my children when they were young. I'd NEVER feel comfortable assuming someone else was watching over my toddler or pre-schooler when we were in large, public spaces, but that seems to have been JimBob and Michelle's MO, until now.

The whole thing reminds me of the one intelligent thing Jon Gosselin said during the last days of Jon & Kate Plus 8, which is that, if the show became their lives, he wanted to pull out. And, it seems like the "show" has now become the Duggars' lives, rather than the show just being quietly in the background of their lives.

Nanasewdear said...

Nancy, I don't know you but you really make me laugh. Twatwaffle!

The Duggars are socialized but they don't have good social skills. those come from associating with people from different backgrounds and different oppinions. The lack of pop-culture references is a great example.